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post #3091 of 4168
1/18/13 at 1:28pm
Thanks for all of the reviews.

I'm new to the HT world and wasn't sure until I read all the feedback in the thread which projector I wanted.

I've decided to go with the Sony VPL-HW50.

Any suggestions on dealers you have worked with in the past would be appreciated.

I'm looking to purchase it before the end of January.

Thanks,

JT
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1/18/13 at 1:50pm
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Any suggestions on dealers you have worked with in the past would be appreciated.
You're kidding, right?

Call AVS.
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post #3093 of 4168
1/18/13 at 1:54pm
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Just a small comment: Soupdragon didn't pay anything for that X90, it was damaged and he managed to get it working again.eek.gif However, it is disappointing if it suffers from them, but to be fair it's only on a complete fade to black that you'll see it.
Yep, the bright corners on mine (lower two) are mild and you can only see them on a completely black screen. Evidently Ed's were significantly worse than that. All four LCoS projectors I've had have had bright corners so at this point I'd be shocked to get a projector without them.
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post #3094 of 4168
1/18/13 at 2:30pm
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I've decided to go with the Sony VPL-HW50.

Any suggestions on dealers you have worked with in the past would be appreciated.

I'm looking to purchase it before the end of January.

Thanks,

JT

Give Mike Garrett a call here at AV Science. Fantastic prices and superb service.


Mike Garrett
AV Science Sales 5
585-671-2968
mike@avscience.com

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post #3095 of 4168
1/18/13 at 3:16pm
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After a JVC imaging engineer explained the cause of bright corners to me...

So what was the explanation?
Edited by MadMyers - 1/18/13 at 8:47pm
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post #3096 of 4168
1/18/13 at 8:34pm
The thread is too large to read every page. I'm very curious about a direct comparison to the Epson 5020 and a JVC, brightness and black levels for 2D.
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post #3097 of 4168
1/18/13 at 8:48pm
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The thread is too large to read every page. I'm very curious about a direct comparison to the Epson 5020 and a JVC, brightness and black levels for 2D.

Check this thread out:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450892/help-me-choose-jvc-x55-vs-x35-vs-sony-50es-vs-epson-6020-projector/0_50
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post #3098 of 4168
1/18/13 at 8:57pm
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The thread is too large to read every page. I'm very curious about a direct comparison to the Epson 5020 and a JVC, brightness and black levels for 2D.

what is your room setup?
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post #3099 of 4168
1/18/13 at 8:58pm
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So what was the explanation?
Variance in the thickness of the imaging panels. Apparently it's very, very difficult to manufacture the D-ILA panels to exactly even thicknesses. This causes non-uniformity in the amount of light blocked/passed through each panel. The factory individually calibrates each projector to compensate for this, but since there's no available "gain" for pure black signals, there's no way to correct for the white-corners-on-black-screens effect.

I'm sure he was oversimplifying, but that was the gist of it.
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post #3100 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:21am
Samsara was a ****ing mind blower!! eek.gif I dont know that I have ever been that impressed with my RS45. The whole disc within reason is one giant PQ demo piece, but starting at ~34:50 and for the next ~1:30 minutes is pure JVC native contrast showoff material. Basically just sped up footage of a city at night, but the blacks combined with the bright white lights and other colors really show the strengths of non DI native contrast.

Like Zombie mentioned though, EVERY HD projector/display owner should check out this disc if you want to really show off your display.
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post #3101 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:30am
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Hi,

It's been a while I did not post in this thread. smile.gif I am still happy with my Sony HW50. It is a great projector but I miss my VW95 for the quality of his lens and motorize zoom and focus compare to the HW50. I think I may buy a refurb one when AVS will have some in stock. The best option for me will be the upgrade model from the VW95... But It look like it wont be until the end of the year. As for the better 3D in the HW50, it's the only thing that make me keep the projector since the 3D is very good on it. For the RC, in the beginning I was impress by the RC and after a while I found myself distract by how the RC modify the image. I then turn the RC down, and down, and down, and finally off biggrin.gif Now I only use the RC for 3D.

One upgrade that I like the most is my new Lumagen Radiance XS-3D. "Influence" by Zombie post in this thread I decide to buy one and try the Chromapure 125 pt auto calibration. The result is awesome ! In less than one hour, the XS and Chromapure do all the work and give you a near perfect calibration. I know I have all the control on the HW50 to do a separate calibration but in the end it's more complicated and time consuming. Also the Lumagen have all kind of options to help you with your image. For exemple, I copy my calibration setting to another memory and from there modify couple of things to make the image better suit for sport viewing. There so many things that can be done with that machine, I am still experiencing...

That's it for now, I will continue to read this thread, it's one of the best around here... Keep the good work.

good news on the radiance / 125 pt autocal setup. I was originally getting some odd results but then tried it again after I blacked out the room with much better results. I think the ceiling reflections and the HP screen were throwing off the meter.

I like the RC and it's impressive for what it does to the PQ. I think the e-shift performs a similar function, but it's more subtle and appears more natural to my eyes sitting close the 142" screen. I could see turning off RC with certain movies even with the minimum setting.

I would have like to have seen Sony release the V2.0 of the VW95 with all the same improvements of the HW30->HW50. I think it would have been quite popular if it was released now. If it comes out in the fall, it will depend on what JVC has up it's sleeve. I don't think JVC will re-purpose this chassis again for the 4th time, but it's hard to say.
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post #3102 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:33am
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good news on the radiance / 125 pt autocal setup. I was originally getting some odd results but then tried it again after I blacked out the room with much better results. I think the ceiling reflections and the HP screen were throwing off the meter.

I like the RC and it's impressive for what it does to the PQ. I think the e-shift performs a similar function, but it's more subtle and appears more natural to my eyes sitting close the 142" screen. I could see turning off RC with certain movies even with the minimum setting.

I would have like to have seen Sony release the V2.0 of the VW95 with all the same improvements of the HW30->HW50. I think it would have been quite popular if it was released now. If it comes out in the fall, it will depend on what JVC has up it's sleeve. I don't think JVC will re-purpose this chassis again for the 4th time, but it's hard to say.

Maybe updated LCOS panels? Better motion and 3D would be killer!
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post #3103 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:41am
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Samsara was a ****ing mind blower!! eek.gif I dont know that I have ever been that impressed with my RS45. The whole disc within reason is one giant PQ demo piece, but starting at ~34:50 and for the next ~1:30 minutes is pure JVC native contrast showoff material. Basically just sped up footage of a city at night, but the blacks combined with the bright white lights and other colors really show the strengths of non DI native contrast.

Like Zombie mentioned though, EVERY HD projector/display owner should check out this disc if you want to really show off your display.

definitely killer demo material and shows they can make BD look amazing if they put the effort into a quality transfer. The night scenes are out of this world and shows off the JVC's primarily strength in a way that is more convincing than the other models. The stark contrast on the HP screen hits all the right buttons between the eyes and the brain.

it's funny, I was reading the amazon comments on this documentary. One guy was upset about the 'chicken scene' because it was offensive to his 'date'. He felt he should have been 'warned'. Who would take someone on a date to see this movie? biggrin.gif
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post #3104 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:55am
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definitely killer demo material and shows they can make BD look amazing if they put the effort into a quality transfer. The night scenes are out of this world and shows off the JVC's primarily strength in a way that is more convincing than the other models. The stark contrast on the HP screen hits all the right buttons between the eyes and the brain.

it's funny, I was reading the amazon comments on this documentary. One guy was upset about the 'chicken scene' because it was offensive to his 'date'. He felt he should have been 'warned'. Who would take someone on a date to see this movie? biggrin.gif


That is nuts! Yeah, not a date movie. Much to heavy for that. So many amazing scenes on this disc. The part where they are in the mountains and going over the glaciers was just jaw dropping! That picture made of sand................. eek.gif I could not believe they just wiped that piece of art away toward the end like it was no big deal. Amazing disc.
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post #3105 of 4168
1/19/13 at 1:06am
If you guys were amazed with Samsara you should check out Baraka and Chronos. Both were done by Ron Fricke and Mark Magidson and shot on 65mm film.
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post #3106 of 4168
1/19/13 at 3:12am
Zombie, How are we on the JVC + CineVista screenshots and review. I am halting a decision about buying a projector just to see how does the JVC 4810 perform with the new Panamorph lens.
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post #3107 of 4168
1/19/13 at 4:38am
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Zombie, How are we on the JVC + CineVista screenshots and review. I am halting a decision about buying a projector just to see how does the JVC 4810 perform with the new Panamorph lens.

+1 Could you use the first test pattern on the Lumagen (the white squares with the single white dot in the middle to show what it looks like?). I could try to do similar with my X35/Isco II for comparison.
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post #3108 of 4168
1/19/13 at 8:23am
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If you guys were amazed with Samsara you should check out Baraka and Chronos. Both were done by Ron Fricke and Mark Magidson and shot on 65mm film.

Thanks! I watched Baraka years ago and enjoyed it as well. Need to check out Chronos.
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post #3109 of 4168
1/19/13 at 9:53am
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what is your room setup?
It's a batcave, flat purple walls, %110 light controlled etc. At the moment I'm using the JVC RS40 with a 147in Dalite Hi Power screen, and I really love it. However in the coming months I'm doing a big remodel of the theater room, and I'm looking at alternatives to hi power. Much a I love it, the retroreflectivity and where the projector needs to be bugs me(centered on the screen, vertically and horozontally), people in the back row have it right next to their heads, so I want to get back to angular reflectivity so I can get the projector up high, but I don't want a smaller screen, so gain is still needed. I got some screen samples from Stewart for the Ultramatte and the sparkly effect those have is unreal, I dunno why anyone would like that. The Studio 130 G3 is a nice material though, however it's MAJORLY dim compared to my hi power.

So to get away from gain, a brighter projctor is needed, thats what I was thinking with the Epson 5020(or Sony HW50 perhaps), not to mention it's cheaper and the bulbs last longer. Soon I'll either be getting the JVC 4810 or another brand(which I hate to do). I do have some screen samples on the way from Severston screens, so maybe one of those can offer gain without sparkling. Shame the SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO would solve all probems, I just don't have 38k to spend lol.

And if the other projectors just cannot measure up to the JVC, people in the rear be damned, I'll keep the Hi Power lol.
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post #3110 of 4168
1/19/13 at 10:18am
Hello Zombie.
I've send you a PM, about 3D calibration. wink.gif
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post #3111 of 4168
1/19/13 at 10:25am
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It's a batcave, flat purple walls, %110 light controlled etc. At the moment I'm using the JVC RS40 with a 147in Dalite Hi Power screen, and I really love it. However in the coming months I'm doing a big remodel of the theater room, and I'm looking at alternatives to hi power. Much a I love it, the retroreflectivity and where the projector needs to be bugs me(centered on the screen, vertically and horozontally), people in the back row have it right next to their heads, so I want to get back to angular reflectivity so I can get the projector up high, but I don't want a smaller screen, so gain is still needed. I got some screen samples from Stewart for the Ultramatte and the sparkly effect those have is unreal, I dunno why anyone would like that. The Studio 130 G3 is a nice material though, however it's MAJORLY dim compared to my hi power.

So to get away from gain, a brighter projctor is needed, thats what I was thinking with the Epson 5020(or Sony HW50 perhaps), not to mention it's cheaper and the bulbs last longer. Soon I'll either be getting the JVC 4810 or another brand(which I hate to do). I do have some screen samples on the way from Severston screens, so maybe one of those can offer gain without sparkling. Shame the SIM2 LUMIS 3D-SOLO would solve all probems, I just don't have 38k to spend lol.

And if the other projectors just cannot measure up to the JVC, people in the rear be damned, I'll keep the Hi Power lol.

I think you might end up keeping the HP. Trying to find another high gain screen without some type of screen artifact that bothers you compared to what you are used to with the HP is going to be a challenge to say the least. I am curious what you think of the Severtsen samples that you are getting though. Which Severtson samples do you have coming? That stellar white 2.2 gain looks interesting, but I would be very surprised if there was not some sort of noticeable screen artifact issue with that high of a gain. My first screen was a Severtson HC grey years ago which had noticeable/distracting screen texture and I had noticeable hot spotting in my setup so it did not last long. I have not seen any of their white screens though and am curious what you think vs your HP screen.
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post #3112 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:41pm
I'm getting stellar white 2.2, cinema white and the SeVision 3D GX just for grins. I'd say the Stellar White is the only real hope as an hp replacement. They claim it has no texture, we'll see.
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post #3113 of 4168
1/19/13 at 12:47pm
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I'm getting stellar white 2.2, cinema white and the SeVision 3D GX just for grins. I'd say the Stellar White is the only real hope as an hp replacement. They claim it has no texture, we'll see.

Please keep us updated. Da-Lite is currently making my replacement HCHP screen as we speak. My dealer gave them explicit instructions to double check for uniformity and texture/line issues on my screen. We'll see. I'm going to stay a skeptic until I see the replacement for myself.
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post #3114 of 4168
1/19/13 at 2:27pm
For Zombie10K...I checked the first page of the shootout but I didn't see your Projection distances . I'm sure they're in this Thread somewhere but I can't find them .
I'm curious on how the JVC throw distance for standard 16:9 will accommodate the Zoom for 2.35:1 images . Have you tried this in your setup ?
Using Coderguy's PJ calculator , my 16:9 throw for a 46 x 81 screen is between 9'3" and 18'11" which works as I would have a max throw of 13'4" .
However if I use the JVC Zoom Method to throw onto my 46 x 109 2.35:1 (actually 2.37:1) screen then the Calculator shows my throw changes to 12'5" to 25'5" .
Still on target but barely and then at max Zoom too .
What kind of issues can I expect with these figures ?

Scott....................confused.gif
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post #3115 of 4168
1/19/13 at 5:01pm
I will absolutely keep you guys updated on the Severston samples.

While I've got your attention, is the e-Shift worth the extra money between the RS46 and the 4810? Seems the 4810 with e-Shift costs about $900 more, and I'm not sure I want it.
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1/19/13 at 7:13pm
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I will absolutely keep you guys updated on the Severston samples.

While I've got your attention, is the e-Shift worth the extra money between the RS46 and the 4810? Seems the 4810 with e-Shift costs about $900 more, and I'm not sure I want it.
You get e-shift2, 121-point zone convergence, and a CMS with the 4810 vs the 46. It's definitely worth the extra cost if you ask me.
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1/19/13 at 7:13pm
I have the opportunity to get the x35 for a great price but am a bit worried about the limited space in my living room. I would have to place the projector around 5-10 cm from the back wall with max zoom too fill a 91" 2.35:1 screen. Can heat be a problem when it's so close too the wall? Im also thinking about the loss of contrast with max zoom. Can it take away the meaning with getting a jvc for its dark blacks and high contrast, or would the loss of contrast be equally bad on all projectors when the zoom is being maxed out?
Im wondering because im also looking at the x70 and perhaps sonys vw95es and hw50es, and they all should have too have the same placement(and zoom if im not mistaking?) in my appartment. The room itself will be dark and light controlled.
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1/19/13 at 7:16pm
Jvc actually put a proper cms adjustment in the 4810?! May indeed be worth it.
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1/19/13 at 7:27pm
Zombie10K, sorry for taking so long to reply to this, and thanks for the review compliments.
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Are you running those patterns in the 2D -> 3D conversion or is this a frame packed 3D source?
Frame packed. The test patterns I created are fed in via genuine Full HD 3D Blu-ray.

I also do testing of the side by side modes since some content is delivered this way.

2D->3D conversion mode would be useless for assessing resolution, since most devices are doing a sort of "pin cushion" or similar effect on the image to enhance perceived depth in this mode. That bulldozes any kind of resolution tests!
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I'm curious if you've run the resolution test on the JVC projectors. They look naturally sharp in 3D, similar to my experience with the 3D DLPs.
JVC UK just sent their entry level D-ILA projector to me for review, so you can expect to find out how it fares quite soon.
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1/19/13 at 7:30pm
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Is it your opinion that this drop in resolution is due to the panels not responding fast enough? What else could cause it? I would've expected the Epsons/Panasonics to have more issues with resolution in 3D, given that they use an interlaced method in 3D according to cine4home.de.

An interlaced method? That's interesting, although that's probably partly masked by translation from German. "Interlacing", "interleaving", etc...

I don't know what the cause is. Sony seemed surprised when I pointed it out.

The Epson and Panasonic projectors I reviewed both resolved all resolution in 3D, although both had other issues.
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This FPD Benchmark disk: where can I get it? I'd love to test motion resolution with this.
As far as I'm aware, it has never been sold and was only made available to journalists.
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I'm surprised you found DFI usable with 24p content. The flicker is terrible; I feel like it's actually 24Hz flicker, not even frame-doubled 48Hz flicker.
Each to their own smile.gif I find the DFI brings back memories of 35mm film... only without the downsides of poorly made theatrical prints!
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