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Brother do you have any pics of ur room? have a nice day

An option is to have 2 16:9 screens with mask ability........as I did here*(both HP's).........movies such Avatar look great on the larger @ 16:9

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Ncvn_Qtdg

Hi guy's,

I could really use some advice. My current projector, an RS2 clone, has very poor convergence. My scope screen is 40x96 and I use the zoom CIH method. I sit at 1x this screen width so this convergence issue is a HUGE problem as well. The wide color gamut drives me nuts as well. After owning JVC, with it's native contrast, I will only consider JVC projectors for 2D for the time being. I wanted a 1st generation JVC 3D projector when they came out but the poor 3D kept me from a purchase. JVC's generation 2 and now generation 3 3D projectors have all been below par and I'm sick of waiting. I really want a zero ghosting 3D projector and am willing to sacrifice contrast to get it. After reading this thread and forum, I know that DLP is the only zero ghosting option. Even if JVC improves it's 3D dramatically I assume ghosting is still going to be somewhat noticeable so a 2 projector setup sounds like the way to go.

As far as 2d goes, I assume I would want a JVC with e-shift given my close viewing distance? I was leaning towards the 4810 but Jason prefers e-shift 1 over e-shift 2 so now I'm really confused what to do. The first gen e-shift jvc's concern me because of the lamp issues

As far as 3D goes, I was wanting a w7000 but my 13 foot deep room isn't deep enough for it to fill the screen. I sure wish it had a short throw like the JVC'S. Are there any any under 2k 3D DLP' projectors that would fill my screen? Also, I need to be able to do the zoom method without moving the DLP projector if at all possible.

Thanks for any advice!

Tom

You are a perfect candidate for the Benq w1070 for 3D, it's only $900 and it should fit in your room. I am not sure how you'll handle the 16:9 stuff on the scope screen with the BENQ, hence you said the zoom method, well these sub-2k DLP's don't have motorized zoom and lens-shift, so I guess you mean the manual adjust lens shift + zoom the PJ ?
I am not sure if the Benq w1070 has enough lens shift to do the manual move method, but otherwise, you can use an HTPC media player to watch 16:9 stuff on and use the lens shift to mostly fix it, that way it doesn't require an additional purchase to scale 16:9 on a scope screen. The other option is to buy the Lumagen which can do the re-scale across all content that is input to it as its source, but Lumagens are a bit pricey unless you can find a refurb or a sale deal.

See about getting a used RS-55, take the savings and buy an extra warranty and an extra lamp. The lamp concerns don't matter to most people unless they put a lot of hours on their projector. Also if you are really worried, you can buy an aftermarket warranty for the spare JVC lamp and that will cover you.

If you have further questions, start a separate thread as some people might start yelling about "off-topic", although the last 20 pages of this thread are off-topic
Edited by coderguy - 1/27/13 at 2:42pm

Thanks for the advice. Any idea where I could find a used RS55? I really need terrific convergence and focus. If only Jason had a replacement for his RS55.

Manual zoom, focus and shift is all I need in a DLP for 3D. I just don't want to physically move the entire projector all the time.

Tom

Someone had one in the classifieds with low hours on it. I messaged him just a few weeks back and he still had it up for sale.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443170/jvc-rs55-250-hours-only-2-pairs-3d-glasses

Usual places, videogon, ebay, this forum's classifieds section, etc...
Though RS-55's are harder to come by in the used market than the RS-45's or RS-65's.

Thanks!

I checked the avs ads but missed that one. Hopefully he will respond to my pm.

Tom

wait til next year and you'll pick one up for around $2500

And the winner is................. JVC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p71zvkaU910

I PMed him earlier in the week and haven't gotten a response yet. So, he either sold it or hasn't gotten an email letting him know someone is interested.

Mike

I agree, Sharp XV-Z30000 might be the best DLP under 3k right now.

No CFI in 3D, not as bright as the Benq or Epson in 3D, past Sharp had poor lens (not as sharp), but it does have motorized controls and better blacks.

What Art said about the sharpness of the XV-Z30000...
"I'm not sure this is the sharpest (no pun intended) optical glass around, I think the Mitubishi H7800D, for example, is a touch sharper, but the Z30000 is definitely very detailed, and at least a touch better than the 3LCD projectors in the price range (LCoS too). "

I would probably take a gamble on a refurb Optoma hd8300 if you are looking for a good 3D projector with decent blacks, as it has CFI and a sharper lens and costs much less in the refurb market than the sharp does new.
Edited by coderguy - 1/27/13 at 11:28pm

That was Art's unit, don't you agree? You like to tell people about unit-to-unit variances. Remind yourself that might be the case here too. Sharper lens is arguable. Lack of CFI - I agree, it's not a plus (but not an issue for HTPC users at least, with software like SVP). Contrast, color, processing, placement flexibility, memory lens - Sharp takes all the prizes here.

Well we just don't know until someone tests it, I am just pointing out potential negatives, not saying we know for sure. I agree it's not 100% conclusive, but I'd put it as a probable concern. Unit to unit variance more applies to LCD, though I will say some BENQ DLP's have had lens uniformity issues, but the majority of DLP samples will be similar. There is some evidence here, not just Art's review, there is also an owner's thread of the older 3D sharps which all had lens uniformity issues. So in combining the listed evidence from past history, and what Art says, I would be concerned.

I am not sure which has better blacks the Sharp or Optoma hd8300, but I wonder if the difference is substantial enough for the other traits. The Sharp is more feature-rich, but the Optoma hd8300 also has very good color. The reason I say the Benq w7000 or Optoma hd8300 are preferred is because there are fewer unknowns, they've already been tested in the forum by many.

Hi Zombie just a few questions about the Mitsubishi HC8000, I am considering this unit, but wondering if ill have trouble mounting it. I'm going to ceiling mount it about 17 feet away in a light controlled room, the lens will be centered with the very top of the screen basically pointing to the frame on the screen on the very top in the center and my screen is 106 inch diagonal with 1.3 gain. Will the HC8000 work in this setup? also does this projector have a dust filter or is it filter less? I have heard that DLP is a sealed light path just wondering if its so cause im sick and tired of dust blobs on cheap Panasonic garbage. Also where is this unit made? is it Japan or China?
Edited by sergio9412 - 1/28/13 at 3:24am

Ok thank you, with that said do you think this projector will work with my setup? cause I know you had issues mounting it. I just took a measurement and the lens will sit 15 feet away from the screen. Also how does the lens shift button feel? does it move easily? cause I used to own a VPLS60 Sony and I hated the lens shift cause I would have to re-do it every week cause of people walking upstairs it would shift on its own because the lens shift was so loose and the wheels were not hard to move. would that be an issue with this unit?
Edited by sergio9412 - 1/28/13 at 6:52pm

Oh oh you say you need 16 inches above the screen well mine is 106 inches 16x9 and the frame touches the ceiling its about a 6 foot ceiling. Is it going to be an issue? I cant go lower with the screen because then my center channel speaker will cover it. I measured and I only have 5 inches from the screen material to the ceiling. The frame itself actually touches the ceiling.
Edited by sergio9412 - 1/28/13 at 8:16pm

Great caps Jason thanks bro, i hope a german friend can tell us something about that

BTW I am surprised black level epson 9 and sony 7

i thought they are same
Edited by cemo62 - 1/29/13 at 1:36am

Dynamic iris on Epson is more aggressive and results in better blacks on dark scenes, I assume. But native contrast is higher with Sony, thus test marks are higher for Sony.

The overall winner is JVC X55 folowed by SONY VPL-HW 50ES. JVC X35 is a better overall projector since it has less ghosting and flickering than the SONY but the lack of CMS brings him to third place. Epson is the last choice.

JVC better black level, contrast, sharpness, build quality (optics, motorised focus, lens shift), 3d less ghosting and flickering.
Sony better brightness(in 3d), cms (compared to X35), noise level.

From what I've read on this forum is opposite, the sony has less ghosting and flickering than the JVC.

And face it, they are all winners and all losers. You can't know the winner until the super bowl and then for that you need and have an absolute score. Here in la la land, there is no absolute scoring system and half the judges, never mind. Every reviewer is an expert because otherwise they couldn't be annointed with the title and certified as a reviewer. Its great. Many unqualified judges, some Incompetent ones, and no absolute scoring system and you get all winners and all losers. And then you get the variables of screen materials, scren sizes, throw distances and rooms, Like trying to judge through fogged glasses in msany instances with no scoring because the judge doesn't even seesome important patameters.
Edited by mark haflich - 1/29/13 at 7:23am

Jason

In generel, he comes to the same conclusion as you, but he did find both the X35/X55 to have to little light output for screen´s bigger the 240 cm wide ( 94" wide ) especially for 3D, but he didnt have a HP screen (his was 280 cm wide 16/9 = 110 wide ),he also find them to be too noisy, again especially in the high mode.

There is not so much about the Epson and the Sony in the review ( but he likes them both too ) , if I get time, I will try to translate the last minuts in the review



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Edited by d.j. - 1/29/13 at 8:00am

I have posted on the on another thread, but will repeat here.

I upgraded from FLA-HD250, which was measured at ~780 lumens calibrated and the DLA-4810 (X55) is noticeably brighter.
My calibrated projector on a 150" EliteScreen Lunette Cinewhite screen is runing at -15 aperture at low lamp, projecting from 16 feet, center of the screen.
There is NO need to open the aperture more. (My HT has complete light control with black ceilings and dark maroon walls)
The 560 lumens in the review is either a bad measurement or a defective unit.

As far as 3D performance, what I can tel you, is that with the JVC RF emitter and glasses, I have absolutely NO flickering and have seen NO ghosting whatsoever. I watch 3D in stage mode (which stays in low lamp mode) as I see no need for 3D mode, which would kick the projector into high lamp mode with accompanying increase in fan noise and shorter lamp life.
With aperture at -15, there is plenty of room to open the aperture as the lamp ages.

@Dionyz yeap i heard that but i read if you want ghosting free with jvc u have to decrease the brightness

No matter how many of us who own current JVC projectors say there is no ghosting.
Some just choose to think we are lying.EVen on SBS i see no ghosting.
The sony is unwatchable from what 1 guy said.
My crosstalk cancellor is set to the far right so the picture is plenty bright.
I only slid it over once when i was watching something of very poor quality.
Only time i have seen crosstalk.
Definately nothing there on retail blurays.