Sony HW50 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5020 / JVC RS55 / JVC RS 46 / JVC RS4810 / JVC RS56 Mini-shootout... - Page 117

I didn't compare, just watched them. But Zombies comparison clearly shows differences and that may explain what it is I don't like.
I cannot present any evidence to support my opinion but I'm confident in my assessment - for me - others may differ.

Besides the e-shift, how do they compare?

Yes, I agree. As I mentioned before I'm likely in the minority so most should take my comments with a grain of salt.

Drexler,
I think both compare similarly. In my case the RS55 was sharper and had better focus uniformity but worse convergence compared to my RS4810. I prefer the CR of the RS55 tho.

Makes sense given your priorities...and didn't mean to poke you in the eye; I hope you didn't take it that way. Best of luck with your health!

Having both the 55 and 48, its hard to compare the eshifts. I found that I got eshift 2 to look similar to eshift 1. I was hoping for an improvement, but the same to me. Even the contrast looks similar. Maybe if I had both side by side, but going off of memory, they are very similar. If I had to choose one, it will probably be the RS48 for the improvements. Since there will probably be no 4k models for this price next year, the better bulb is worth it for another year. I would not pay more for a used 55 over a new 48, that's just me after having both of them. Also, I have a 9ft wide HP and Zombies HP is much bigger and brighter than mines and he has a different perspective from his setup.

I happened across a new review for the JVC DLA-X35 that looks to have just been posted earlier this week. My searching didn't find it in this thread or the "Official JVC DLA-RS46 / DLA-X35 owners thread" so I thought I would post it for those who might be interested:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/jvc-x35-201302052614.htm

The X35 received their "Highly Recommended" verdict.

There are some direct comparisons to the Sony VPL-HW50ES which I thought might be applicable to this thread.

Boy, not even a chuckle. Tough crowd....

Been following this thread for a long while; thanks to contributers for the hard work-- especially Zombie! I'm looking forward to his thoughts on the AE8000. I am leaning towards that as a replacement for my Epson 6500UB with Darbee. I have a 132" Adeo screen in a dedicated "bat cave". I was going to stay with Epson and go for a 5020 or 5010, but I sit close enough to where the pixel structure on the 6500 is (barely) visible. I figure the "smooth screen technology" on the Panny will fix this. Also in favor of the Panny is: FI available in 3D, FI reportedly more subtle in 2D (the 'soap opera' effect annoys me on the 6500), quieter fan (I have a lot of opera and classical music BDs), and the lens memory option--though I'm not set up to use it right now. The projector case being black against my flat black ceiling is just icing on the cake.

The trade-off is foregoing the better blacks and brighter 3D of the Epson, but I'm pretty sure even the blacks on the Panny are better than the "good enough for me" ones on my current Epson. The 3D will be nice to have, and it is admittedly one of the key factors that are leading me to upgrade, but it will make up less than 5% of my use. Another negative is that you have to wait a couple of months to get the glasses in the mail for the Panny, but I'm not so impatient as to let that be a deciding factor.

The HC7900/8000 is tempting, but I doubt it has enough lumens to fill my big, low-gain screen. I really like the Sony HW50, and the RC seems awesome. Same thing with the JVCs with E-shift. But with affordable 4k right around the corner, I can't seem to convince myself to spend more than $3k on an incremental upgrade even though I could technically afford to. The residual value of my 6500 is roughly 1/3 of what I paid for it 4 years ago. I reckon any current projector bought today will see a similar drop by the time I want to upgrade again, potentially even worse if a bunch of people start flooding the market with used 1080p pjs once the first sub-$5000 4k hits the market.

If anybody thinks I'm off base here or I am missing something critical, feel free to comment

FYI

I replaced the lamp in my Epson 6010 last night. Brief history - at about 1,600 hours or so, the lamp started to flicker in "Eco" mode, and ghosting got a lot worse. Going to high lamp mode solved the flicker problem until I got to about 2,000 hours, when I started to notice flicker again. 3D quality degraded along the way, similar to the JVC but not nearly as bad. I expected to get "like new" 3D performance after the lamp replacement, but that hasn't been the case. Light ghosting is still very, very good, but dark ghosting (branches or highly contrasting dark objects against a bright background) is much worse than it was when the original lamp was new. I don't know if this is a lamp issue or a projector issue. It was disappointing, though. I'm hoping other Epson users will report their experiences when they change their lamps.

My go-to Blu-ray for dark ghosting is Monsters vs Aliens, especially Chpt. 7, where the president walks up the stairway to the alien robot. On the original lamp, I don't recall seeing any ghosting at all, but it was very noticeable in that scene last night. Overall, though, I was struck by how very good 3D still looks on the Epson. I use medium glasses brightness, and the image looks very bright on my HP screen. Contrast is not nearly as good as the JVC, obviously, but the lack of ghosting in general more than makes up for it in terms of the overall 3D experience. Recently, I started reading the BenQ W7000 thread and other comments about that DLP, and there seem to be a lot of issues with it, too, depending on the luck of the draw. I'm loathe to trade one set of problems for others, so I'm inclined to try to keep to my original plan and wait until the Red laser is released, or at least until next year. I may not be able to keep myself in check, but it's probably the wisest course.

BTW, I was saving my 2 year old JVC RS40 for a family member, but that looks like it's fallen through, again. It has a brand new lamp, 4 sets of Xpand 103s and a few other goodies for a good price. PM me if you're interested.

The dark ghosting is so much worse that I wondered if it might be the Epson panels, but it could just be the lamp. It seems plenty bright, but I don't have any way of measuring the lumens.

I had problems with DTS HD MA on the Micca, so I decided to dedicate it to my editing system. At present, I'm limited to Dolby Digital 5.1 for Sony Vegas Pro 3D iso exports, and the Micca doesn't have any trouble with DD. I copy the iso files to my Unraid server and watch via an LG LM7600 passive display. It works really well. The Mede8ter should be here by Monday, latest. I'll check out the S3D m2ts and mp4 playback. I'm hoping it works. PowerDVD 12 is supposed to do it, but it sucks at 60i 3D playback. It insists on playing them at 24fps.

I'm going to add 3 balls on sticks to each eye of my Sony glasses just to look cool.

Note that the 6500 used Epson's D7 LCD panels, which only had 52% fill factor. The 5010/20 use the newer D9 panels with 65% fill factor. I have an Epson 7500 with D7 and last week I evaluated a 5020 at my dealer. The screen door effect is definitely reduced with the D9 panels.

http://global.epson.com/newsroom/2008/news_20080909.html

http://global.epson.com/newsroom/2011/news_20110901.html

Nice review, thanks for the link

Wow, somebody should try these http://www.3dhdgear.com/1-2-Infra-red-active-3D-glasses-p/v-edge1.2.htm

Edited by S A M 33 - 2/9/13 at 7:53am

I know this isn't completely relevant to this thread but I posted a while back regarding the problems with my 119" brand new Da-Lite High Power screen. I submitted the images and the video of my first screen to my dealer and I received a new HP 2.4 from Da-Lite, and it looks like this:




Can I hear you say vertical stripes? The pictures are completely unedited.

When my dealer reported the problem with the above replacement screen to Da-Lite, the Da-Lite representative said they aren't aware of any issues with their HP 2.4 screens. The rep also said they can't see any problem with the video clip I posted earlier. However they still promised to send me a new screen, but if they aren't aware of this or can't even spot the issue, I'm seriously doubtful a new screen will solve this.

I'm posting this here just so people are aware that the new HP 2.4 isn't the same quality as the HP 2.8 Zombie likes to praise.
Edited by Gagorian - 2/9/13 at 12:50pm

Check this thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455184/hats-off-to-da-lite/0_50

I had the same issue as you did with my first 2.4 HPHC screen. The replacement I received doesn't have the issue. While waiting for my replacement I picked up a HP 2.8 screen and it is basically an entirely different screen material if you ask me. The surface is SMOOTH unlike the patterned 2.4 material. It also has a bit more pop (due to the higher gain), unfortunately they don't make it anymore and 2.8 HP screens are hard to come by in great condition on the used market. I lucked out. With that said, if you do receive a 2.4 like my replacement screen it gets you to about 85% of what a 2.8 HP screen looks like. If anyone is interested, I do have the replacement for sale currently and is basically new. I only had it rolled down for a couple hours to check to make sure it was better than the first. and it is....MUCH better than the original screen I received in regards to the issues mentioned above.

I just selected a light colored fill (two different tints, other is light blue and other is light yellow) in MS paint and displayed it full screen. The exposure time is kind of short so you can't see the tint. The video is of the first screen and the issue is kind of different, if you look at the ground at 16 seconds you can see darker horizontal bands, there's several less severe horizontal bands that you can't see on the video. It's not very easy to spot on the video, but definitely very distracting in full size seen live. The second screen has mostly vertical striping, which is probably even worse as they show up easily on horizontal pans, which are more common.


Well, I'm still skeptical but at least that would mean there's some hope. I received my first screen in the beginning of January and the 2nd screen about a week ago. So that's at least one month worth of bad batches. I can't see how the company couldn't be aware of these issues, especially with at least 4 or 5 users reporting this only on these forums. I told my dealer to tell Da-Lite I'd rather wait a longer time for a new screen as long as it's OK. I live in Finland, practically on the other side of the globe, so it's a shame to ship these faulty screens back and forth. At least Da-Lite is being very accomodating and are paying for the screens being delivered by air transport (that's like 250 dollars per screen).
Edited by Gagorian - 2/9/13 at 2:39pm

It's more than just the grains of glass on the screen. It has to do with how they "press" the material there as there is an inherent crosshatch look to all of Da-Lite's current materials (with the exception of the JKP Affinity screens) and the HP 2.4 and HPHC 2.4 is no exception. All of the samples of different screens they offer had a lot of texture (minus the JKP). That unsmooth characteristic and non-uniform nature of the glass beads adds an extra amount of graininess to the image that just isn't there with the HP 2.8 material.

Here is their regular Da-Mat 1.0 material which has the same "crosshatch" texture as the rest of the material they sell ( I had to place something on the material to get the autofocus to work properly):



The HP 2.4 has the same texture but there is extra graininess to the image because of either excess glass or non-uniform beads (which makes it stand out more?). The HP 2.8 material is not like this at all. It looks and feels exceptionally smooth.
Edited by Seegs108 - 2/9/13 at 2:55pm

I want to know how the rs46 will perform against the Sony, with the new firmware and with it's own glasses and emitter... I am sure that in 2d will outperform the Sony and if it has an acceptable 3d... Zombie tested 4810 with the Sony but rs46 is brighter!

Hello

For sony hw50es sony is sending external emmiter. Its name is TMR-PJ2 or TMR-PJ1?

In Turkey Sony sells Hw50es with TMR-PJ2 . so is this the good one or bad one?

Thank you

The TMR-PJ2 should be the right one.