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post #3661 of 4168
2/25/13 at 5:41am
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there are different user settings for the FI so there must be something in the programming that affects how aggressive the FI appears.

It was less aggressive and more natural appearing in the HW30 vs. HW50, several others who have seen both have made similar comments. certainly not a dealbreaker, just curious why they chose to turn up the wick in the refreshed model.


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Sounds strange, because the user settings in motionflow ( FI ) "low / high" deside if it shall interpolate one versus 3 frames between each picture frame.
So the HW30 and the HW50 should be the same ( when I did see the 50, I didnt see any difference from the 30 / 95in low -but didnt actully look specifict after it - and I use FI on low all the time ).

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post #3662 of 4168
2/26/13 at 1:21am
After 70 hours on the lamp i am starting to like very much the 5020 (EU 8100), it has an misconvergence of 1 pixel to the left on the red and blue panel, that i have to align in the menu, the results were ok! I didnt not make a full calibration because i dont have a colormeter. Only a simple one with THX optimizer
I took some pictures with my phone

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post #3663 of 4168
2/27/13 at 4:16am
I'll second that, although I'm probably only at about 30-35 hours. As I said in the dedicated 5020 thread, I now think I could probably be satisfied with this as my only projector, although I'm just using it for 3D.
Yes, the JVC 40 is still a bit better for 2D, and a lot depends on your particular set up as we've well established by now. With a really long throw in a dark room and an average seating distance, it's honestly pretty hard for me to tell the two images apart now in 2D, and the Epson wins the brightness wars.
My unit was good out of the box both color-wise and convergence wise. I think the 5020 is a great value period and for 3D enthusiasts it's a real bargain.

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post #3664 of 4168
2/27/13 at 6:15am
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I'll second that, although I'm probably only at about 30-35 hours. As I said in the dedicated 5020 thread, I now think I could probably be satisfied with this as my only projector, although I'm just using it for 3D.
Yes, the JVC 40 is still a bit better for 2D, and a lot depends on your particular set up as we've well established by now. With a really long throw in a dark room and an average seating distance, it's honestly pretty hard for me to tell the two images apart now in 2D, and the Epson wins the brightness wars.
My unit was good out of the box both color-wise and convergence wise. I think the 5020 is a great value period and for 3D enthusiasts it's a real bargain.

S A M 33

I agree. I've had an Epson 6020 for a week or two now. I replaced the first one I received because of convergence problems. The second unit also had some convergence issues; however, I was able to get tighter convergence using their so-called panel alignment controls (I have lots of experience converging CRTs) than I have with any of my other projectors, except my DLP. Unlike some others, I don't see any big advantage of the 6020 (5020) over the 6010 (5010), which I've moved to my screening room and I am using quite a bit. The 6010/6020 certainly isn't perfect, but it does just about everything well and if you want something that's bright and handles 2D/3D really well for a very competitive price the 5020/6020 is pretty tough to beat.
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post #3665 of 4168
2/27/13 at 6:24am
Epsons has horrid input lag (60-90 ms) which makes them not the first choice for gaming, to put it lightly.
New JVCs have around 80ms also... Older ones had less, HD550 is around 50ms and HD950 is around 40ms.
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post #3666 of 4168
2/27/13 at 11:32am
This thread is awesome but huge at this point. I'm in the process of building a new, larger theater room than my existing one. I will be using a 148" 2.35:1 screen so I've narrowed my projectors down to the JVC X35 or X55 as I need lens shift for my constant height screen. I've been trying to find where these are talked about but the thread is so large I thought that I would just ask.

1. Is the X55 worth the difference over the X35?

2. Does the X35 with the Darbee come close to the X55? This would be a less expensive option.

I'm in the process of painting my room right now which is 16' wide x 18' deep. The screen wall will be black with a deep brown for the ceiling & other walls. Thanks for any help. If you can tell me the pages that the JVC projectors are discussed that would be great.

Thanks,
Jim

Here is a pic of my future room.

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post #3667 of 4168
2/27/13 at 3:01pm
Hey Jim

at that screen size, I would go x55 as e-shift will give a better benefit than Darbee. Best to get x55 and Darbee too and you'll be happy smile.gif

You might want some gain in your screen if you want it nice and bright, have you considered that?
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post #3668 of 4168
2/27/13 at 6:48pm
This may have been posted, but here's a link to the Home Theater review of the Panasonic AE8000 projector.
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post #3669 of 4168
2/27/13 at 11:34pm
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Hey Jim

at that screen size, I would go x55 as e-shift will give a better benefit than Darbee. Best to get x55 and Darbee too and you'll be happy smile.gif

You might want some gain in your screen if you want it nice and bright, have you considered that?

Thanks, I was leaning toward the X55 but thought if the X35 with the Darbee was 98% as good then I could put that money elsewhere. How much gain would I need? I was thinking of a 1.5 gain even though my theater room will be completely dark with no light at all.

One addition point is that I don't like 3D. I hate watching the movie through the glasses so 2D is most important. My wife & kids may watch something in 3D but I'm not sure if that's on the top of my list. lol
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post #3670 of 4168
2/28/13 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

This may have been posted, but here's a link to the Home Theater review of the Panasonic AE8000 projector.

thanks for posting, this is a good, honest review of this projector. Getting the color right is an exercise in frustration, even with good calibration equipment. The mini 3D + auto-cal couldn't wrangle this one in, even with a pre-calibration, that's how far off some of the color values are.

The white / grey field uniformity is the main deal-breaker for me, it's just too obvious on the big HP screen. The Epson isn't perfect here, but definitely better than the Panasonic. Maybe it has something to do with the smooth-screen process. The color in 3D needed major calibration work and the menu controls are a bit frustrating compared to the HW50 and other models.

I'm glad I got a chance to see this in person, it's unfortunately a last pick for me when compared to the other models in the mini-shootout this year. Contrast / Black floor needs an improvement to compete with the 5020 and HW50.
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post #3671 of 4168
2/28/13 at 8:28pm
Zombie10k......have you posted any pics between the 2 JVC's with any of the combinations of e-shift on/off & Darbee. Just curious what the pictures show since your screen size is similar to what I will be using.
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post #3672 of 4168
2/28/13 at 8:29pm
Zombie10k......have you posted any pics between the 2 JVC's with any of the combinations of e-shift on/off & Darbee. Just curious what the pictures show since your screen size is similar to what I will be using.
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post #3673 of 4168
2/28/13 at 8:29pm
Zombie10k......have you posted any pics between the 2 JVC's with any of the combinations of e-shift on/off & Darbee. Just curious what the pictures show since your screen size is similar to what I will be using.

Edit: Weird that I got an error message so I tried twice more but it recorded the post anyway & I can't find a way to delete the other posts. mad.gif
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post #3674 of 4168
2/28/13 at 8:50pm
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Take a look at the link in my signature. There are some comparisons of e-shift + darbee, etc. It's difficult to capture the effect of e-shift with the camera, but you can see close up at the pixel level what is happening.

At your screen size, there is a benefit to the e-shift model. I sit around 14 feet from a 142" 16:9 and there is a noticeable difference vs. when it's off.

I'm re-visiting JVC's e-shift 2 & Sony's Reality creation in a few days. These are both great projectors, each has their own unique strengths.

Sony-JVC.jpg
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post #3675 of 4168
3/1/13 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I'm re-visiting JVC's e-shift 2 & Sony's Reality creation in a few days. These are both great projectors, each has their own unique strengths.

Nice. Looking forward to it smile.gif



Someone here who uses the HW50 with a gain 1.0 ~150" screen who can say if it is bright enough? Maybe with some FL measurements?

Mine is throwing from 14' on a 120" screen and set to low-lamp I find it still very bright. My next screen will be something in the 140" to 160" width range.I just don't know who big I can go till it gets too dim.
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post #3676 of 4168
3/1/13 at 3:30am
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Nice. Looking forward to it smile.gif



Someone here who uses the HW50 with a gain 1.0 ~150" screen who can say if it is bright enough? Maybe with some FL measurements?

Mine is throwing from 14' on a 120" screen and set to low-lamp I find it still very bright. My next screen will be something in the 140" to 160" width range.I just don't know who big I can go till it gets too dim.

Hello

throwing from 14' on a 120" is disturbing? very much bright?
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post #3677 of 4168
3/1/13 at 5:11am
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Hello

throwing from 14' on a 120" is disturbing? very much bright?

You think it's too bright? eek.gif
Keep in mind I said in low lamp mode, not high.
To me it seems just about right, maybe still a little brighter than it has to be, but accounting for lamp aging it should be good.
At first I had it in high lamp mode and after a few days watching I found it to be too bright, so I switched to low lamp mode.
But still, I think it should be bright enough for a bigger screen.
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post #3678 of 4168
3/1/13 at 9:25am
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You think it's too bright? eek.gif
Keep in mind I said in low lamp mode, not high.
To me it seems just about right, maybe still a little brighter than it has to be, but accounting for lamp aging it should be good.
At first I had it in high lamp mode and after a few days watching I found it to be too bright, so I switched to low lamp mode.
But still, I think it should be bright enough for a bigger screen.

No buddy its just a question sorry for my poor English tongue.gif
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post #3679 of 4168
3/1/13 at 9:43am

I'm at 16' with a 126" diagonal 16:9 screen (approx. 1.0 gain maybe even slightly less) with my Sony HW50ES and I find the picture "comfortably bright" in low and a fully light controlled room.  I know this is a rather subjective statement but unfortunately I don't have a light meter to give a more meaningful statement.  Based on what I've read in this thread, I'm guessing others like zombie would find my picture a little dull in 2D.  I haven't experimented in 3D yet so can't comment there.  FWIW, this is my first projector so my expectations could be lower than someone on their 4th or 5th.  Overall, I'm extremely thankful that I went the projector route instead of an 80" LED.

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post #3680 of 4168
3/1/13 at 10:28am
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thanks for posting, this is a good, honest review of this projector. Getting the color right is an exercise in frustration, even with good calibration equipment. The mini 3D + auto-cal couldn't wrangle this one in, even with a pre-calibration, that's how far off some of the color values are.

The white / grey field uniformity is the main deal-breaker for me, it's just too obvious on the big HP screen. The Epson isn't perfect here, but definitely better than the Panasonic. Maybe it has something to do with the smooth-screen process. The color in 3D needed major calibration work and the menu controls are a bit frustrating compared to the HW50 and other models.

I'm glad I got a chance to see this in person, it's unfortunately a last pick for me when compared to the other models in the mini-shootout this year. Contrast / Black floor needs an improvement to compete with the 5020 and HW50.

This is EXACTLY what I needed to hear. I've been researching the AE8000 for a while. I will be upgrading from an 8350 primarily used for gaming to a better model soon. Can you give a ranking between the $2000-$3000 projectors you've tested with gaming and non-dedicated room viewing in mind? Thanks,
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post #3681 of 4168
3/1/13 at 10:58am
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This is EXACTLY what I needed to hear. I've been researching the AE8000 for a while. I will be upgrading from an 8350 primarily used for gaming to a better model soon. Can you give a ranking between the $2000-$3000 projectors you've tested with gaming and non-dedicated room viewing in mind? Thanks,

The only option for me would be the Sony HW50ES.

I have owned the Epson 6010, JVC RS46, and now the HW50ES.

The HW50ES has very low input lag, only about 12ms more than the 8350, I also used an 8350 to test with the HW50ES and had both images projected at the same time and could not detect a difference, so I would say the added 12ms is a non factor.

I can make my room pretty dark at night, but it's far from a dedicated room and I am fully satisfied with the Sony. It's taken a while to get me to the point I am at, but I won't be looking to upgrade for quite a while.
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post #3682 of 4168
3/1/13 at 11:33am
Epson 5020 Photos taken with an iPhone so they are not the best or very hi-rez....



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Trying to decided if I would be any happier with the Sony 50ES or just keep the Epson and get a OPPO 103.
I really don't know if i could appreciate any pq differences the Sony might offer for the addtional cost.

Skyfall and The Dark Knight just blow me away at how good they look.

Please excuse the current setup. It is temporary and the screen is a 80" portable screen sold by Epson.
Edited by jimed1 - 3/1/13 at 11:51am
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post #3683 of 4168
3/1/13 at 11:34am
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The only option for me would be the Sony HW50ES.

I have owned the Epson 6010, JVC RS46, and now the HW50ES.

The HW50ES has very low input lag, only about 12ms more than the 8350, I also used an 8350 to test with the HW50ES and had both images projected at the same time and could not detect a difference, so I would say the added 12ms is a non factor.

I can make my room pretty dark at night, but it's far from a dedicated room and I am fully satisfied with the Sony. It's taken a while to get me to the point I am at, but I won't be looking to upgrade for quite a while.

The 8350 to the HW50 is a big price increase...was it "worth it" in terms of PQ increase?
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post #3684 of 4168
3/1/13 at 2:02pm
I just moved from an Epson 5010 to a Sony hw50es and I can say that I am extremely glad I did. It looks far better to me than the Epson did in 2d and that is my main viewing material.
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post #3685 of 4168
3/1/13 at 2:40pm
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I just moved from an Epson 5010 to a Sony hw50es and I can say that I am extremely glad I did. It looks far better to me than the Epson did in 2d and that is my main viewing material.

Thanks for the input. I am worried about how the sony will do in ambient light.
I know the Sony is brighter calibrated than the Sony, but the Epson is pretty bright in living room mode
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3/1/13 at 2:49pm
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The 8350 to the HW50 is a big price increase...was it "worth it" in terms of PQ increase?

Keep in mind I had borrowed that from a friend to use while he was out of town. I was able then to see both setup and the black level difference was very apparent. The Epson was nice, but I wouldn't want to use it for serious 2d movie watching, not when I have had projectors like the 6010, RS46, and now the 50ES.
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Thanks for the input. I am worried about how the sony will do in ambient light.
I know the Sony is brighter calibrated than the Sony, but the Epson is pretty bright in living room mode

Don't be, the Sony is almost right up there. I keep my Sony in Low and it provides plenty of brightness. I hosted a UFC party and we had all of the lights on except over the screen and it was still a great picture. If I needed to I could ramp up to High on the lamp but so far, I haven't needed to.
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Epson 5020 Photos taken with an iPhone so they are not the best or very hi-rez...


Trying to decided if I would be any happier with the Sony 50ES or just keep the Epson and get a OPPO 103.
I really don't know if i could appreciate any pq differences the Sony might offer for the addtional cost.

Skyfall and The Dark Knight just blow me away at how good they look.

Please excuse the current setup. It is temporary and the screen is a 80" portable screen sold by Epson.

What does the Sony offer that you feel you are missing from the Epson? Reality Creation? Lower input Lag?
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post #3687 of 4168
3/1/13 at 6:31pm
Here's a comparison between the JVC 95 and the Epson 5020. I know these images don't tell all the differences, but personally I'd rather have my 6020 and the $9,500 price difference. Even Art seemed to struggle rationalizing the differences. He didn't even talk about the 3D differences. The JVC struggles with 3D brightness. 3D is a strong point for the 5020. The real value, IMO, is with the $2,000 to $3,000 projectors.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x95r/competitors.php
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post #3688 of 4168
3/1/13 at 8:20pm
Epson is always his preferred PJ in all his reviews.
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post #3689 of 4168
3/1/13 at 8:25pm
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that's an odd comparison. The top model JVC's are a tougher sell for the extra cost. The convergence and focus would have to be hand checked / guaranteed at that price point.

It makes more sense to compare the 5020 to the similarly priced RS46 and Panasonic 8000. For pure 2D BD PQ -> RS46. For jack of all trades 2D/3D, Epson 5020. Panasonic 8000 - i'm not sure on this one. I liked everything about the Epson better than this projector.

The 5020 is a very good bang for the buck. Hopefully they'll put in FI in 3D for the 5030 in the fall. Epson RF glasses are my favorites so far this year of all the 3D glasses.
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3/1/13 at 9:17pm
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Take a look at the link in my signature. There are some comparisons of e-shift + darbee, etc. It's difficult to capture the effect of e-shift with the camera, but you can see close up at the pixel level what is happening.

At your screen size, there is a benefit to the e-shift model. I sit around 14 feet from a 142" 16:9 and there is a noticeable difference vs. when it's off.

I'm re-visiting JVC's e-shift 2 & Sony's Reality creation in a few days. These are both great projectors, each has their own unique strengths.

Sony-JVC.jpg

Thanks, I never even noticed that info in your signature. eek.gif I've always had the belief that the Sony & JVC units were the best 2 for movie viewing. I ruled out the Sony since I couldn't do a constant height screen with it. So now it's just which JVC. smile.gif My back row will be 17' from my 148" 2.35:1 screen & the front row that the kids like will be around 12' from the screen.

Do you think that a 1.5 gain screen will work okay for my set-up in a completely dark room? I will be using it for 2D Blu-ray movies 95% of the time with 3D being watched every one in a while.
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