Sony HW50 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5020 / JVC RS55 / JVC RS 46 / JVC RS4810 / JVC RS56 Mini-shootout... - Page 124

"What does the Sony offer that you feel you are missing from the Epson? Reality Creation? Lower input Lag?"

Frankly, I am not sure. I owned a SXRD rear projection TV and liked it until the well documented light engine problems made it scrap. As far as I know, that has never been an issue with the front projection units. That old set had DRC (digtal reality creation) with I think is the early version of RC. I thought that worked well and liked it. Epsons Super Res is pretty good too though.

My biggest gripes about my 5020 are that I can hear the fan when the lamp is in high, it has slop in the lens shift dials, and it is one of them that has a noisy iris. The covergence is good enough on mine that I can't notice any problems from my seating differnce. I am afraid if I exchange it for one that has a quiet iris I will get one that has bad convergenvce.

The 50ES would likely not exibit any of those issues and would offer a vertical stretch for an A-lens in addtion, although I do have a DVDO Duo that can do the vertical stretch. I don't have an A-lens yet so that really is not a concern at this point, just future planning. Another thing is the manual iris on the 50ES, which I think is a nice addtion. I get eye fatigue watching the 5020. I assume the manual iris works like a limit stop and the iris still works automactically, but can be manually adjusted to limit how far open it can go.

Let's see..... A black case would be nice...

I am overall happy with the picture the 5020 throws, but I don't have anything to compare it too locally.
I have about 8 days left to return the Epson. I suppose I could try to get a Sony delivered in time to look at them both and then make a decision. I suppose the 50ES would eliminate all the gripes I have with the Epson. It is just up to me to determine if it is worth the extra cost and loss of lumens in the brighter modes that I would be using for viewing a Saturday afternoon football game in a moderately lit room.

Ideally for me would be something that has a motorized zoom with lens memory, but the Panasonic is not well reviewed and I am not willing to pay addtional for the JVC or the Sony 95 to get that feature.

If you're not worried about color accuracy (which I presume not if you're watching the Epson in torch mode) then I don't think you'll be disappointed with the Sony in bright mode.

projector ordered.. screen decision to be finalized to day either Carada BW or Da-Lite CC pearlescent.. size 150 inch 16:9

I don't watch in torch mode (dynamic), however living room mode is pretty bright and not too bad for daytime viewing. Plus I have calibrated the grayscale in living room mode to tame it down some.

I find THX is washed out looking and the gamut chart supports the way it looks.. Undersaturated in all primarys and secondaries.
Cinema mode looks the best and the color output a lot closer to what a calibrated plasma or LCD looks like. The color gamut is wider in cinema, but so are a lot of the displays these days including the charts I have seen of the 50ES, especially green.

Believe me. I am picky about the picture and I know what to look for...

^^^^Sorry if I sounded like you didn't understand the compromise of the higher lumen output settings. I was just trying to say that if a reference quality pic is not as important to you as light output then you might be ok with the Sony. From what I understand after reading zombie's results, the Epson pic quality is dramatically affected by light output, hence the lower lumens than the Sony post calibration. If you are as picky as you indicate, you might even prefer the Sony picture quality over the Epson at higher lumen output than a calibrated pic.

I'm going to say the Sony can be just as bright as the Epson if you were using Living Room mode.

Super resolution is nothing compared to RC. No fan noise in low or high and no noise from the iris at all.

I'd go for the swap. You won't regret it.

Thanks for the info. Just curious, where would I have light issues from if the room will be completely dark? I can easily paint part of the ceiling black too if it helps but the only light that will be in the room will be from the projector.

Very neat product. I wish I could find a paint that was specialized like this stuff as that would be easier to apply & cheaper!

Art's review is up....

http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x35/index.php

Judging by his praise of the 3D I'm guessing he got one with new firmware. Zombie, have you sent yours in yet?

Your screen looks awesome.. is your projector ceiling mounted or table top?

if I remember correctly, zombie10k is rack/shelf mounted his projectors

Ditto, look forward to your feedback and thank you's after the swap

still no Epson 5020UB vs Panny AE8000?

Zombie's made lots of comments about how these two compare.

The JVC 35 just wouldn't be bright enough for me in 3D -- the 6020 is just about right in high lamp mode on my 120" HP screen. The 3D glasses sure do a number on brightness!
Edited by Deja Vu - 3/4/13 at 1:32pm

Thanks Mike.

Relatively OT, but I'm sure someone here can answer: if I watch a 3D blu ray in 2D am I seeing the exact same video quality (including color, contrast, etc) that I'd see if I watched the 2D blu ray? Or is the 3D video mixed differently to account for tint of glasses, dimness, or any other change? Just wondering.

Isn't the 3D version usually a different encode with different compression, noise reduction and/or sharpening applied? I'd swear I've read discussions in the review threads about differences between the 3D and 2D encodes of some blu-rays.

Zombie While the there is nothing done to accommodate for the glasses. some movies I forget which one actually look different.

One example that comes to mind is Tangled. The 3d version has the depth of field remove to give more depth.
Also Megamind the picture quality of the 3d is better then the 2d. There are some difference on live action ones as well, I just can't think of them right now.

I can't remember what shrek movie it was but it's 2d disc had a much higher bit rate than the 3D disc. Not that bit rate is the end all and be all.

Tom

Have you sent your RS46/X35 in for the update yet?

That is exactly what I plan on doing. Is there a way to force 2D from a 3D iso if you want to watch 2D on a 3D projector?