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post #3721 of 4171
3/7/13 at 10:18am
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That is exactly what I plan on doing. Is there a way to force 2D from a 3D iso if you want to watch 2D on a 3D projector?

Yes, in your 3d options just set it to 2d only.
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post #3722 of 4171
3/7/13 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

Have you sent your RS46/X35 in for the update yet?

Not yet, but I've been experimenting more with the 4810's 3D mode. I'm looking closer at the crosstalk control changes. It seem it only affects the brightness from 0-6 and only introduces more noticeable ghosting at 7 or 8 setting.

I have to look at this closer, but it looks pretty good at CT @ 6 and the brightness is definitely better than the default of 0. There is still hard-edge crosstalk that I can see, but the brownish/yellow shadow that I saw on the 46 (pre-firmware) is no longer there.

I'd say it's a worthy update (assuming it's identical to the 4810) since the CT controls actually do something now (control the brightness of the image).
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post #3723 of 4171
3/7/13 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

Zombie While the there is nothing done to accommodate for the glasses. some movies I forget which one actually look different.

One example that comes to mind is Tangled. The 3d version has the depth of field remove to give more depth.
Also Megamind the picture quality of the 3d is better then the 2d. There are some difference on live action ones as well, I just can't think of them right now.

I remember reading some time ago that Alice in Wonderland has significant differences between the 2D and 3D versions - even in the creation of the CGI. I've never watched the 2D version of Tangled, except as a short demo in stores, where the contrast looked better than what I see in the 3D version. I always thought this was done to brighten up the 3D version, because of the hit in brightness that 3D typically takes. The 3D version looks flat.
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post #3724 of 4171
3/7/13 at 10:44am
http://paulpresents.blogspot.ca/2011/04/depth-of-field-differences-between.html
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post #3725 of 4171
3/7/13 at 11:09am
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thanks for posting, that is interesting info. I rarely watch a 2D version of a movie if it's available in 3D. If we watch in 2D on regular TV, it's still the 3D source.

Everyone with a 3D projector should check out Wreck-it-Ralph. This movie is a blast from beginning to end with great 3D. I'd like to see Disney do a little more 'in your face' with Sammy's Adventures type pop-outs. That movie is still the king of pop-outs.
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post #3726 of 4171
3/7/13 at 11:11am
Cameron uses typically shallow depth of field in Avatar, to the dismay of many. If the above pictures of Tangled are any indication, then the differences between the 2D and 3D versions are primarily depth of field and not contrast. I still think the lower contrast and heightened brightness of the movie were selected as a result of 3D being dim in most displays.
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post #3727 of 4171
3/7/13 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks for posting, that is interesting info. I rarely watch a 2D version of a movie if it's available in 3D. If we watch in 2D on regular TV, it's still the 3D source.

Everyone with a 3D projector should check out Wreck-it-Ralph. This movie is a blast from beginning to end with great 3D. I'd like to see Disney do a little more 'in your face' with Sammy's Adventures type pop-outs. That movie is still the king of pop-outs.

+1 on Wreck-it-Ralph. Nice depth and a joy from beginning to end.

Tom
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post #3728 of 4171
3/7/13 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks for posting, that is interesting info. I rarely watch a 2D version of a movie if it's available in 3D. If we watch in 2D on regular TV, it's still the 3D source.

Everyone with a 3D projector should check out Wreck-it-Ralph. This movie is a blast from beginning to end with great 3D. I'd like to see Disney do a little more 'in your face' with Sammy's Adventures type pop-outs. That movie is still the king of pop-outs.

I watched the 2d version of Ralph a few nights ago which looked incredible on the JVC. Tried watching the 3d version last night, but my disc is scratched and freezes/skips no doubt due to the stacking method. rolleyes.gif Of course Best Buy is all out of the 3d version, same with Target near me so I was only able to get a credit. Looking forward to checking out the 3d when I can track it down. Great movie though and solid audio.
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post #3729 of 4171
3/7/13 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

HW50, through the glasses calibration
HW50-3DCAL-1-.jpg
Although the readings you posted tell it should be ideal the picture has visible blue push. Which leaves the most probable option - you use Auto white balance to take photos. Try setting white balance on your camera to Cloudy instead of Auto... Or manually set it to 6500K.
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post #3730 of 4171
3/7/13 at 2:21pm
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Although the readings you posted tell it should be ideal the picture has visible blue push. Which leaves the most probable option - you use Auto white balance to take photos. Try setting white balance on your camera to Cloudy instead of Auto... Or manually set it to 6500K.

remember, these are shots through the glasses so getting the white balance right is challenging. That's an older photo, lately I have been running a 100% IRE screen in 3D mode and getting a manual white balance. The resulting screen shots are better.

the point is, calibrating through the glasses goes a long way to correcting the color tint of the glasses which is not something any of these projectors takes into account when engaging 3D mode.

The amount of calibration requires wide swings of the offsets / gains (usually pulling down green and blue) to compensate, but I can afford to a lose a little light in exchange for better color in 3D.

the last HW50 I calibrated was 1062 lumens in factory setting with dE's in the 7-8 range, with correction it was a hair under 900 lumens.


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HW50-3DCAL-8-.jpg
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post #3731 of 4171
3/7/13 at 3:55pm
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I watched the 2d version of Ralph a few nights ago which looked incredible on the JVC. Tried watching the 3d version last night, but my disc is scratched and freezes/skips no doubt due to the stacking method. rolleyes.gif Of course Best Buy is all out of the 3d version, same with Target near me so I was only able to get a credit. Looking forward to checking out the 3d when I can track it down. Great movie though and solid audio.

I had to wait for the 3D version before being tempted to watch it. Very creative overall. It brought back memories of spending countless quarters in the arcade in the 1980's.

Disney is keeping 3D alive with each new release.
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post #3732 of 4171
3/7/13 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I had to wait for the 3D version before being tempted to watch it. Very creative overall. It brought back memories of spending countless quarters in the arcade in the 1980's.

Disney is keeping 3D alive with each new release.

No doubt! Lots of nods to those 80s arcade games which brought back memories of spending countless nights at the arcade in the mall as a kid. I really want to check out the 3d version now! Might just order it off Amazon. I even called a few other places fairly close to me and nobody has this in stock right now. This 3d blu is in high demand it seems.
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post #3733 of 4171
3/7/13 at 9:47pm
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I finally had a chance to use my 3D splitter cable I made for the JVC a few years ago. I used this with the JVC IR transmitter and the MV3D RF emitter.

It works with no problems using the new JVC RF emitter. This cable was easy to make, just straight connections on the 3 pin wires.

jvc-splitter.jpg

The latest round of 3D glasses. The new JVC's are too small for my head although I do like the color tint better than the old glasses. The last 2 generation were similar in color tint to the Xpand 103 (The original RS40 OEM glasses) and the current Xpand 104. There is a bit too much green tint in those lens, it's difficult to correct out. The new JVC, Sony, Epson and MV3D's are a little more neutral and easier to calibrate in 3D.

I wish the Optoma ZD201's were larger. They are excellent DLP link glasses, but a little too small where I can see the frame in my side vision.

jvc-splitter1.jpg

So far, the Epson RF glasses are my current favorites.
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post #3734 of 4171
3/7/13 at 9:53pm
Have you tried the Samsung rf glasses? Curious how they stack up against the rest.
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post #3735 of 4171
3/7/13 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

No doubt! Lots of nods to those 80s arcade games which brought back memories of spending countless nights at the arcade in the mall as a kid. I really want to check out the 3d version now! Might just order it off Amazon. I even called a few other places fairly close to me and nobody has this in stock right now. This 3d blu is in high demand it seems.

Haven't seen it yet (:
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post #3736 of 4171
3/8/13 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I finally had a chance to use my 3D splitter cable I made for the JVC a few years ago. I used this with the JVC IR transmitter and the MV3D RF emitter.

It works with no problems using the new JVC RF emitter. This cable was easy to make, just straight connections on the 3 pin wires.

jvc-splitter.jpg

The latest round of 3D glasses. The new JVC's are too small for my head although I do like the color tint better than the old glasses. The last 2 generation were similar in color tint to the Xpand 103 (The original RS40 OEM glasses) and the current Xpand 104. There is a bit too much green tint in those lens, it's difficult to correct out. The new JVC, Sony, Epson and MV3D's are a little more neutral and easier to calibrate in 3D.

I wish the Optoma ZD201's were larger. They are excellent DLP link glasses, but a little too small where I can see the frame in my side vision.

jvc-splitter1.jpg

So far, the Epson RF glasses are my current favorites.

Have you tried the new JVC RF glasses? Is there any improvement in brightness and crosstalk/ghosting?
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post #3737 of 4171
3/8/13 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by fpr View Post

Have you tried the new JVC RF glasses? Is there any improvement in brightness and crosstalk/ghosting?

yes, there is no obvious difference with the new JVC glasses / RF transmitter vs. the IR transmitter + XPand 104 glasses. I also checked the Monster Vision 3D, all 3 perform the same in regard to crosstalk performance & brightness.

unfortunately the JVC glasses are bit too small for me, so I can't use them for an extended period of time.
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post #3738 of 4171
3/8/13 at 10:58am
http://www.whathifi.com/review/jvc-dla-x35be
does it correspond to the truth?
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post #3739 of 4171
3/8/13 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by xico View Post

http://www.whathifi.com/review/jvc-dla-x35be
does it correspond to the truth?

Not in my experience, but then I'm not being paid to advertise Panasonic products either. wink.gif IMHO it's almost laughable that the '6000 has more 'detail' than the X35 especially since the Panny has smoothscreen (along with typically poorer uniformity of colour and focus).

However, I shouldn't be too bothered as thankfully I don't have to watch a Panasonic projector anymore in my home (not since I sold my 3month old POS AE3000 4 years ago biggrin.gif).
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post #3740 of 4171
3/8/13 at 1:35pm
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http://www.whathifi.com/review/jvc-dla-x35be
does it correspond to the truth?

You should read the final verdict on the Sony VW1000 review they have - what are these guys smoking? confused.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #3741 of 4171
3/8/13 at 2:15pm
Its the finest 2K projector I have seen for HT use but limited in how large a screen it can adequately light. I didn't find that review to be offensive. All reviews must be taken with a grain of salt. There is no credentual body for reviewers. Its like any reviewer. One must compare the reviewers reviews to things you have experienced.

that is the basis for juging how much one can trust a reviewer. the fact that someone is a reviewer means nothing more than the person has a keyboard.
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post #3742 of 4171
3/8/13 at 2:25pm
No, there was nothing offensive, but this was funny - " even if it's a product without a true purpose.". Does the VW1000 need 4K source material to have a purpose ? rolleyes.gif
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post #3743 of 4171
3/8/13 at 2:55pm
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Not yet, but I've been experimenting more with the 4810's 3D mode. I'm looking closer at the crosstalk control changes. It seem it only affects the brightness from 0-6 and only introduces more noticeable ghosting at 7 or 8 setting.

I have to look at this closer, but it looks pretty good at CT @ 6 and the brightness is definitely better than the default of 0. There is still hard-edge crosstalk that I can see, but the brownish/yellow shadow that I saw on the 46 (pre-firmware) is no longer there.

I'd say it's a worthy update (assuming it's identical to the 4810) since the CT controls actually do something now (control the brightness of the image).

OK , I'm a little confused . You say "not yet" then you say that "the brownish/yellow shadow that I saw on the 46 (pre-firmware) is no longer there" ??? Did you upgrade the firmwware on the RS-46 ?
You then say "it's a worthy update" ? Am I missing something ?
How about this , what was the firmware before the Update and what is the version now ? Just so we can compare .

Scott...............smile.gif
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post #3744 of 4171
3/8/13 at 7:30pm
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http://www.whathifi.com/review/jvc-dla-x35be
does it correspond to the truth?

no it doesn't. These are good, honest reviews of the RS46/X35 and the Panasonic 8000.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/jvc-x35-201302052614.htm#

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-pt-at6000-201211052339.htm
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post #3745 of 4171
3/8/13 at 7:33pm
I just saw your post on the rs46 brightness. I do believe ill send mine in, just not sure when I'll get to it. Have you compared the Samsung glasses to the others? Curious how they stack up tint wise.
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post #3746 of 4171
3/8/13 at 7:45pm
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OK , I'm a little confused . You say "not yet" then you say that "the brownish/yellow shadow that I saw on the 46 (pre-firmware) is no longer there" ??? Did you upgrade the firmwware on the RS-46 ?
You then say "it's a worthy update" ? Am I missing something ?
How about this , what was the firmware before the Update and what is the version now ? Just so we can compare .

Scott...............smile.gif

you should re-read the posts, now I'm confused.... cool.gif

I was discussing the RS4810 3D with the new style JVC RF glasses. I did not upgrade the RS46 firmware. The context of the previous discussion - If the RS46 update is identical to the shipping RS4810, then it appears to be a worthy upgrade. You will lose some light, but it will help with the the obvious crosstalk with the pre-firmware RS46.

Turning up the CT control from 0 -> 6 has little effect on the actual control of the crosstalk (if it's dimmer, it's less likely to be seen). Once it hits 7 or 8, then the crosstalk becomes excessive. 4810 owners should experiment with moving the setting up a few notches, it does need the help here since it's not very bright @ 0.



@ plissken99 - I don't have those glasses. They are compatible with the JVC RF transmitter?
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post #3747 of 4171
3/8/13 at 7:55pm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007K9P7H0/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1362801059&sr=1-1&pi=SL75

Aye, I've got a pair, I love them, the tint seems lighter than the jvc or glasses were, and their a lot more comfortable with my prescription glasses. And the price is sweet.
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post #3748 of 4171
3/8/13 at 8:01pm



Pana8000/HW50... even if i did'nt seen zombie comparisons, it will be enough to choose hw50 (or X35) over 8000.
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post #3749 of 4171
3/8/13 at 10:34pm
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Pana8000/HW50... even if i did'nt seen zombie comparisons, it will be enough to choose hw50 (or X35) over 8000.
This 'test' is one of the most deceptive (and useless) things in Art's reviews.
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post #3750 of 4171
3/9/13 at 12:04am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

yes, there is no obvious difference with the new JVC glasses / RF transmitter vs. the IR transmitter + XPand 104 glasses. I also checked the Monster Vision 3D, all 3 perform the same in regard to crosstalk performance & brightness.

unfortunately the JVC glasses are bit too small for me, so I can't use them for an extended period of time.

So the Monster 3D glasses work okay with the new JVC RF projectors? I've got a friend with a Sony HW30 & he loves the Monster 3D glass for comfort. I would like to use them too if they work with the JVC's. I think they are less money too which would be nice. smile.gif
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