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Hi Joe. Several points.

I think you mean you got rid of the HP to get a screen with a high polarization extinction ratio, i.e, one that preserves polarization rather tha destroying it or creating it.

Second the Teranex is not HDCP compliant. So one would have to go the stripper route.

Third Zombie10K would have to buy the Red or get a loaner for someone who purchased it. No store is going to buy one and lend it to him for a review because they would not be able to sell them. Also I think by the time one buys a lens for the Red, the price will be closer to $15K but I don't know.
Edited by mark haflich - 11/11/12 at 6:40am

That's usually not a good thing when that happens.

Thanks for the warning, Mark. I should have noticed that there was no HDCP mention in the tech specs for the Teranex. I shouldn't be spending that kind of money on such a device anyway, but it was tempting when I thought it might work. I'm not a leap before I look kind of guy, though, so I would have researched it thoroughly before buying. I still want to see the Red laser projector. I'd make a trip for that, armed with lots of Blu-ray discs.

Nice! Though it seems gamma is a bit too high. It's easy to fix if you're using an HTPC.

How is the uniformity of these projectors on full black fields? In my experience, this is where LCD's have an advantage since they don't suffer the bright-corner issues of LCOS/SXRD. Can you post some full-screen black screenshots (including your JVC)? Thanks.

Hw50 review on AVForums.com is up: http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Sony-VPL-HW50ES-SXRD-3D-Projector-Review_413/Review.html

I notice that the 'Y' value has come down nearly 50% between the before and after calibration. This is quite a reduction in light output, so (as usual) it's part of the AV compromises we have to make.

I calculated that the Y came down a little bit over 26%. That would cause about a 5% perceived to ones eyes reduction in brightness.

I just knew as soon as I posted that, someone would do the full calculation. I just took the 4.5 and near 3 figures and figured it was (near) 50% brighter before, but it's nearer 3.5 after. As you say, the calibrated version is 26% dimmer or you could say that the uncalibrated version is just under 36% brighter. Probably only noticeable in a direct comparison, even then only on a paused image probably. I don't 'do' 3D due to headaches, so not an issue for me, though the Y figures do seem low (not sure what % was being measured in the example as it mentions 30% and 80%.

Not being HDCP compliant shouldn't be a problem. All the CRT guys are familiar with the solutions and they're not expensive solutions. If the Teranex is as good as they claim and I can actually find one I'll probably buy it.

Off topic -- I increased the screen size to 160 for my 120 screen in the Oppo's menu and things are really popping! No eye strain experienced as yet.

It's not available yet. You can get on the list to be notified when it's ready at a place like B&H Photo. I'm on it.

So the 3d is better increasing the screen size in the Oppo? I have a 93 so I might try this when I start watching more 3d again. Thanks for the tip!

Toe, what projector do you have?.

Hey Jsil

I am using the RS45 right now. Might move to the 4810, but not likely at this point. Leaning instead toward keeping the 45 and adding a BenQ 7000 for 3d at some point when I can find one for a steal.

The Teranex market used to be high end broadcast facilities and production studios. With the acquisition by Blackmagic Design a few months ago, it's been possible for them to get into markets that previously couldn't afford their expensive gear. They also have a bunch of low cost mini-converters now. Seems to me that it should be possible for them to produce a stand alone 2D to 3D converter that costs just a few hundred bucks for the home theater market. Obviously, it wouldn't need to do international standards conversion. Unlike their other gear, however, it would need to be HDCP compliant. They may not want to get into the home market, but it might be wise to wait a bit to see if they move in that direction. It would be perfect for those of us who are looking for a high quality 2D to 3D converter. And I think I read yesterday that AVS has become a dealer (??). If so, perhaps it's an indication they're headed into the consumer market. Or maybe I'm way off base. Let me put Mark on the spot. Mark?

Toe, how do you set up a two projectors.

The way I would work it is put the 7000 on the rear shelf in my HT right below my 45 (which is mounted in the store room shooting through a cutout in the back wall) and run one HDMI out of my Oppo 93 to the 7000 and the 2nd HDMI out to my pre/pro and then to the 45.

The whole problem with measurements is that most (not you:) who you? you you ) don't realize how they translate into what one sees.Now some measuresment are meaningful. Input lag. And because its really so simple anso simple, game experts can tell one what's acceptable to what level of player.

Many people just buy on the numbers. Its a sad sad fact. Its a hundred more Lumens, its a de of 2 not 3, its an off of 200,000 to 0ne, not 20,000 or whatever the on offs are. Believe the ads. Ansi Cr its only 25 less, 100 instead of 125, can't make much difference. Its all a numbers game and the numbers don't lie.

Let's be honest. Let's assume real numbers. What will 80,000 vs 40,000 out of the lens on off gain one? How would you describe it?

How about going from an ANSI of 100 to 130. How would you describe that.

Let's suppose ANSI Lumens go from 1100 to 1300. What would your eyes see on your screen? hoe viciously will a manufacturer be attacked for lowing the ANSI Lumens this year to gain a little in the on off war?

How about fan noise of 19 db vs 22db. What would you hear at your seating distance? What's the noise sound like?. Is the noise component all the same except for loudness.

The internet can not teach or provide the experience necessary to know what the numbers mean or whether what the numbers say can answer the question.

Let's take up close screen shots. Often big differences but what do these close ups translate to at your viewing position. Any difference to what you see?

4K . Useless at my seating distance, really? Have you compared or are you just relying on some reviewer.

Color bars before and after. Clearly, corected is better but how does that translate.

And please tell me what settings you are using because I want to use the right ones and I haven't a clue. And the manufacturers are the guilty ones here offering next to nothing on how to adjust things correctly. Thank you Sony for so much help in how to adjust RC and to use your CMS.

This is such a fun sport but at least one doesn't need to go to a comedy club. Just keep reading these forums. No. Not you! Him! OK .

Strippers do exist, but they are illegal and are harder to get. But one needs to be cautioned that the Teranex is not plug and play.

I am sure it could have been made HDCP compliant but its not model to pay licensing fees. I do not think it tries to develop product but I really don't know. Buy a company cheap, copy, produce it cheaply in a foreign country and sell it low enough to make a ROI after acquisition costs. Just my thoughts.

And AV Science is a Black Magic dealer so give Mike G a call if you want a Teranex.

I love the preponderance of pontification... especially from the one's with more than just book smarts proliferated as "experience".

Over the past week the conversations have been... well let's just say I kept thinking of that scene in Planes, Trains... "Here's a tip... have a point... it makes it so much more interesting for the listener".

Thanks for going to the trouble Zombie, it's even less important than I first thought due my poor rounding of the figures. If that was 100 before and 80 after then as you say things are going to be so close as to not matter, sorry for draging things off topic.

I've seen the older JVCs in 3D and some 3D TVs, but always get the same effect after a short while. I'm the same with DLP projectors too. Just something that my eyes/brain don't like, not sure if wearing glasses has anything to do with it either. It's not a big deal as for me, many of the 3D films aren't ones I'm that bothered about (and those that I've seen in 2D gave me the impression that they needed the 3D effect to make them worth watching ).

Did you check out the one's I sent you a few months back? Wonder how these compare? Just a tip J... (as I've done this B4 at the old house)... prime those grids first otherwise the flat black paint (even if you used oil like I did), will scratch right off with your fingernail!

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Can you give precision on your viewing conditions : screen size , seeting distance and wether you saw SDE with hd content or sd contents

Odd as everything I've read says the Panasonic lags behind Epson who lags behind JVC. Even ProjectorCentral who is a big fan of Panasonic didn't state this finding.

I agree completely. Now if you own a JVC Rs-45, setup a 5010, owned many previous Epsons, and owned other variants of some of these projectors (sometimes 2) and A/B'd most, are you allowed to comment over an individual or reviewer that doesn't own both and hasn't A/B'd, but is making discrete comments?
(now obviously when doing so, you have to be careful and inform people of your environment)

You could almost say it is more valid (with disclosure) if you A/B'd a model close enough, then if you just looked at one after another like most reviewers do (even if they had the newer model), because in reality these projectors look very close to another from an image standpoint unless you create a very carefully crafted baseline in your mind of how to remember them (and that is not easy). To be clear, that isn't as good as doing an A/B on the exact model, and if you go back in the models too far, that will invalidate no matter what, but it is still somewhat interesting to hear about progression. It is difficult to have them all at the same time. Many people see projectors in a showroom and that counts for something, but not like having it in a room or owning it and A/B. Direct comparison (or from a baseline comparison) is really the only way when the differences are subtle. I mean I have to pause when a reviewer gets a new JVC and can't A/B it to last year's, because geeze that has to be hard to see such a small difference from memory (when using a new model over an old). Oh it's definitely possible to see a difference, but it won't equate to what the difference really was to a completely accurate assessment. Some reviewers clumsily juggle their way through this process since they do not have both on hand, when in the back of their mind they've watched so many projectors in the past year, they really cannot even remember the difference.

Yes, I had a slip of the tongue and was too hard on the Panny (and the guy posting about it, sorry there). It was simply because of the amount of frustration from people in the 7000 thread that I've listened to (and it came out in that one post from me a little harsh), I just want to make sure people are getting the best bang for their buck. The Panny response time and warranty service has been absolutely brutal to some (unless they are not telling the truth, but I assume they are).
Edited by coderguy - 11/11/12 at 2:44pm

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