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post #121 of 497
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Originally Posted by Tiyuri View Post

The draw of Windows 8 for me is being able to RDP in to do maintenance. That has real value. However, no MediaBrowser and the kludgy way to automatically start MediaCenter give me pause.
Why can't you RDP into Win 7? I do it all the time. VNC as well from an iPad and iPhone.
post #122 of 497
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Why can't you RDP into Win 7? I do it all the time. VNC as well from an iPad and iPhone.

My HTPC is W7 Home Premium which does not allow it. I tried using VNC but was never happy with the performance.
post #123 of 497
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

It was time for a change, but not a change for the worst. If they were trying to make something simple, elegant and beautiful like iOS, they failed miserably. Instead fo making windows better, they made it a lot worse. Don't throw out 17 years of refinement and functionality just for the sake of being different. Win 8 is a huge step in the wrong direction. Reminds me of Microsoft Bob years ago, and we all know how that turned out.
Why the rush to "upgrade" to Win 8 on HTPCs when it's well known that Win 8 add no new WMC functionality, will never work with Ceton networked tuners, and breaks several add-ins which will never be updated again? On top of that, it's just a horrible OS. Sure it's fast. But when you take a steaming pile of crap and launch it from a cannon it will be fast. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a steaming pile of crap. So just to have something different, you guys are willing to sacrifice a ton of functionality and stability, and pay for the privilege. It makes no sense to me.

Look, I felt the exact same way you did a week ago. I thought Win 8 was complete crap. But I read some really positive reviews and decided to put the issue to rest. I tried Windows 8 for a week on my wife's laptop. I had to force myself to use (first day was really, really bad) it but I'm actually enjoying it now. Just because you don't like it and you haven't given it a chance doesn't make me an idiot for installing a "steaming pile of crap".

PS - I don't give 2 shites about Ceton tuners.
post #124 of 497
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

Look, I felt the exact same way you did a week ago. I thought Win 8 was complete crap. But I read some really positive reviews and decided to put the issue to rest. I tried Windows 8 for a week on my wife's laptop. I had to force myself to use (first day was really, really bad) it but I'm actually enjoying it now. Just because you don't like it and you haven't given it a chance doesn't make me an idiot for installing a "steaming pile of crap".
PS - I don't give 2 shites about Ceton tuners.
Didn't intend to insult any users, only the OS itself. I also couldn't care less about Ceton network tuners. It's just a major example of how WMC is broken in Win 8.

I guess use a PC a lot differently than you. I saw the negative reviews and didn't believe them. I wanted the latest and greatest and was looking forward to the speed boot times and other improvements. So I tried it myself and ran into limitations and frustration at every turn. I tested it very thoroughly for several days, and things only got worse. While it worked fine with WMC, everything else was so crippled I couldn't stand it. In my work I typically have at least a dozen apps running and need serious multi-tasking capability. This is completely absent in Win 8. In fact, just about all advanced features have been dumbed down, well hidden or completely removed, similar to how Microsoft has destroyed their Office software in the last few versions.

If you like Win 8, that's great. But it makes me angry to see windows ruined like this, so I'm going to keep voicing my opinion.
post #125 of 497
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Didn't intend to insult any users, only the OS itself. I also couldn't care less about Ceton network tuners. It's just a major example of how WMC is broken in Win 8.
I guess use a PC a lot differently than you. I saw the negative reviews and didn't believe them. I wanted the latest and greatest and was looking forward to the speed boot times and other improvements. So I tried it myself and ran into limitations and frustration at every turn. I tested it very thoroughly for several days, and things only got worse. While it worked fine with WMC, everything else was so crippled I couldn't stand it. In my work I typically have at least a dozen apps running and need serious multi-tasking capability. This is completely absent in Win 8. In fact, just about all advanced features have been dumbed down, well hidden or completely removed, similar to how Microsoft has destroyed their Office software in the last few versions.
If you like Win 8, that's great. But it makes me angry to see windows ruined like this, so I'm going to keep voicing my opinion.

What do you mean by absent? You can multitask on the desktop . . .
post #126 of 497
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

PS - I don't give 2 shites about Ceton tuners.
And there's the problem. This is a HTPC forum where the majority of the users have at least one type of TV tuner in their HTPC. While the issue of network sharing for Ceton tuners may mean nothing to you, it affects a lot of people here that may be considering an upgrade to Windows 8.

PS - We don't give 2 shites about what you don't give 2 shites about.tongue.gif
post #127 of 497
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In my work I typically have at least a dozen apps running and need serious multi-tasking capability. This is completely absent in Win 8.

Must have been a fluke when I was working in half a dozen programs, spread across my three 23" monitors Eyefinitied into one desktop today. What serious multi-tasking capability is absent in windows 8?

BTW, typed this on my surface tablet. Would recommend the Type keyboard for "serious" typing, not this Touch keyboard I have.

edit: guess I was a bit late on this
post #128 of 497
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Just so everyone knows, there is a problem with the install of Media Center right now. If you try to install and it fails and rolls back, Microsoft is aware of the issue and working on it. I just got off a call with MS about it.

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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

They said it is working about half the time. They are puzzled.

OK, an update. I used the live chat again today - the first tech I spoke to actually lied to me. If it does not install then something is broken on the PC - it is not a known issue. The tech spent 4 hours trying to fix it (remotely controlling my PC) and failed, so he is having a tier 2 tech call me and work on it on Monday...that is if PA is still around after the hurricane hits. wink.gif
post #129 of 497
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Originally Posted by Tiddles88 View Post

Nope. Win + D = desktop. Or just hit the Windows key. One shortcut/button press and Metro vanishes. Desktop is essentially identical to 7. Charms are Win + C, all apps Win + Q, just type to search and enter to start. Win 8 is a great OS. Just spend an hour learning two or three new shortcuts. The start menu has been reduced to Win+X, a power menu with critical shortcuts to the guts of the OS.

Great, thanks for those tips. They are going to be very helpful.
post #130 of 497
I upgraded my HTPC, and what a huge improvement.

I am running a Core 2 Duo and a DG45ID. I have run Vista on it for years. It has been generally reliable, but slow.

I put Windows 8 Pro on it yesterday, and installed WMC today. This HTPC is a rocket compared to what it used to be. Boot times have gone from about 1 minute to less than 15 seconds. WMC opens several times faster than it used to.

I am also using MyMovies and TMT 5. WMC 8 integrates very nicely. It's a huge step up from Vista WMC and a small step up from Win 7 WMC (which i also used on another PC in terms of how well MyMovies and TMT integrate.

I have been using Win 8 on another PC for a month or so. The UI took some getting used to, but now I prefer it, even when using a mouse/keyboard without touch input.

The only downside is that Intel has not yet released Win 8 drivers for the DG45ID, The built-in Win 8 drivers work pretty well, but I occasionally get a glitch with audio.

I was getting ready to build a new HTPC, but this one is working so well with the OS upgrade that there's no need to spend the money on a new build.
post #131 of 497
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Originally Posted by KelbyVP View Post

I upgraded my HTPC, and what a huge improvement.
I am running a Core 2 Duo and a DG45ID. I have run Vista on it for years. It has been generally reliable, but slow.
I put Windows 8 Pro on it yesterday, and installed WMC today. This HTPC is a rocket compared to what it used to be. Boot times have gone from about 1 minute to less than 15 seconds. WMC opens several times faster than it used to.
I am also using MyMovies and TMT 5. WMC 8 integrates very nicely. It's a huge step up from Vista WMC and a small step up from Win 7 WMC (which i also used on another PC in terms of how well MyMovies and TMT integrate.
I have been using Win 8 on another PC for a month or so. The UI took some getting used to, but now I prefer it, even when using a mouse/keyboard without touch input.
The only downside is that Intel has not yet released Win 8 drivers for the DG45ID, The built-in Win 8 drivers work pretty well, but I occasionally get a glitch with audio.
I was getting ready to build a new HTPC, but this one is working so well with the OS upgrade that there's no need to spend the money on a new build.

Intel won't support those drivers:

http://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-19647

Bottom line, if you something before Sandy Bridge, you are screwed. All that said, I agree. Boot and shutdown are near instant on SSD, much improved on a HDD. On a HDD, 8 is certainly smoother though.
post #132 of 497
I installed a video card when I did the upgrade, so no worries about Intel supporting the Win 8 graphics drivers. That link does not say anything about audio, but if Intel isn't going to support graphics drivers for that board, I suspect they won't support audio either. That's too bad.

Worst case scenario, If Microsoft doesn't offer an improved driver, I'll thow in a cheap audio card. Lots cheaper than a new build.
post #133 of 497
^^
Not trying to be a hater, but I'm wondering if installing the new graphics card was responsible for the improvement you have seen.

Still, I agree with you. It does not really matter what made it better. If your system does what you want then that rocks! 8 vs a card upgrade, who cares. You bought yourself a year or two and MANY things will happen before you HAVE to upgrade again.

...imho
post #134 of 497
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I also couldn't care less about Ceton network tuners. It's just a major example of how WMC is broken in Win 8.

So, a third party company fails to provide updates for a new OS, and suddenly the OS is to blame for being broken?
Sounds like flawless logic! Oh wait..
Edited by Nevcairiel - 10/28/12 at 1:51am
post #135 of 497
$15 for very copy of Windows 8? This deal blows away the Technet I'm subscribed to right now frown.gif
post #136 of 497
How are people getting Windows 8 for $15 ?
post #137 of 497
How do we cash in on the media center deal? I upgraded one of my PCs to Win8 Pro but I don't recall seeing where to go for that.
post #138 of 497
Never mind, I found the email request link.
post #139 of 497
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Originally Posted by KelbyVP View Post

I upgraded my HTPC, and what a huge improvement.
I am running a Core 2 Duo and a DG45ID. I have run Vista on it for years. It has been generally reliable, but slow.
I put Windows 8 Pro on it yesterday, and installed WMC today. This HTPC is a rocket compared to what it used to be. Boot times have gone from about 1 minute to less than 15 seconds. WMC opens several times faster than it used to.
I am also using MyMovies and TMT 5. WMC 8 integrates very nicely. It's a huge step up from Vista WMC and a small step up from Win 7 WMC (which i also used on another PC in terms of how well MyMovies and TMT integrate.
I have been using Win 8 on another PC for a month or so. The UI took some getting used to, but now I prefer it, even when using a mouse/keyboard without touch input.
The only downside is that Intel has not yet released Win 8 drivers for the DG45ID, The built-in Win 8 drivers work pretty well, but I occasionally get a glitch with audio.
I was getting ready to build a new HTPC, but this one is working so well with the OS upgrade that there's no need to spend the money on a new build.

Did your recordings survive the upgrade?
post #140 of 497
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Originally Posted by Tiyuri View Post

My HTPC is W7 Home Premium which does not allow it. I tried using VNC but was never happy with the performance.
There are several hacks available to enable RDP on W7 HP. Some work, some don't. I had to try a few before I found the right one, and then recently a Windows Update killed it. Haven't tried to reinstate it as I haven't had the time and can't remember which of the files I have is the right one. Should find something if you google around.
post #141 of 497
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

Buying the upgrade doesn't mean you have to install it right away.
If you want to use the free WMC upgrade, the licence key needs to be activated by 31st January 2013 (See middle of last terms and conditions paragraph in the fine print at http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs).
post #142 of 497
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Originally Posted by cjtodd View Post

Must have been a fluke when I was working in half a dozen programs, spread across my three 23" monitors Eyefinitied into one desktop today. What serious multi-tasking capability is absent in windows 8?
That's quite a feat in Metro since it shows only one program at a time full-screen. Would love to know how you pulled that off.
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

So, a third party company fails to provide updates for a new OS, and suddenly the OS is to blame for being broken?
Sounds like flawless logic! Oh wait..
Ceton does provide updates. Microsoft took away existing functionality, so Ceton can never fix it, even if they tried. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
post #143 of 497
I'm not sure why MS doesn't just do something really bold and throw down a useful feature for HTPC folks, like you know.... AirPlay. They could call it ErrPlay, or Yoplay, or Metroplay. Wait, don't Metropplay, you're hair will get sticky.

Meh, i'll wait a year (or two) until all of the kinky code has been worked out. By then it'll either be totally slick for an HTPC build, or so hostile an environment for the needs of the HT scene that we will shudder to even think about it. I'm sure there's more than one of us with "ME" or "Vista" shaped scars on our brains. Heck my Apple "Lion" scratches haven't even healed yet.
post #144 of 497
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Originally Posted by MKANET View Post

I like everything in Win8 except for metro and the loss of Aero glass visuals; which basically is Win7.  I personally only need to see my desktop with quicklaunch icons + addressbar at the bottom to be most productive.  I guess once I upgrade to WIn8 on my primary PC I'll have to install Stardock Start8 / Windowsblinds.

Wow! I didn't realize that Stardock was still around! That's cool. At the very least, if you don't like what MS is forcing you to look at, you can re-skin it. For some reason I thought that MS had bought out Stardock.
post #145 of 497
I'm excited to try this out, the boot times seems really interesting to me. I have a gaming laptop hooked up to my receiver and I use it for web browsing, gaming and hopefully streaming and pulling content from a network drive using my display as my monitor. I'm probably going to go for a surface RT mainly for use around the house and upgrade my laptop to windows 8 pro. I'm hoping I'll be able to ditch the keyboard and mouse for most cases and use the surface to remote in to my laptop and control it for basic functions. So I'm planning on going all in I guess but I really like the idea of a fully integrated environment and am excited to leverage my existing hardware to create it. If I could get a denon, panasonic and comcast app this would get really exciting basically being able to control everything with the tablet.

I'm also a big fan of the desktop but it sounds easy enough to switch back and forth for me and I like the idea of that metro interface, seems like it would be great to just create widgets for things that I use most often and be able to customize multiple screens for various types of activities and get info on them all at a glance without having to open each of them which might not contain any new data. I think this is why they set it as the default is at a quick glance you can be updated on a number of topics and then go wherever you need to go from there just like shortcuts on a desktop but with active information feedback. They also probably want to set it this way so people become comfortable with the metro environment but there will always be ways around it. I'm also excited about the search feature and think it can have a really huge impact on how I access data. I was attending SSIS training that Microsoft was hosting and the instructor was running windows 8 and the search function basically removed the need to use file explorers to navigate to files without having to bother with knowing the paths or browsing through folders to get to it. Just seemed really powerful and seemed to integrate with settings as well.

I'll post my thoughts as I get underway but so far from what I read I'm excited about how some of these things will affect my use of the home PC's. I'm not doing some of the more advanced HTPC functions but I can at least give some updates from a usability perspective and integration with the surface RT.
Edited by Karn - 10/28/12 at 6:20pm
post #146 of 497
Leo Laporte - the tech guy - said win8 was great for a touch device but that he didn't like it much at all for your standard PC. Kind of fits with all the noise about win8.

That pretty much sums it up for me, I see no compelling reason to spend the cash on my desktop, HTPC, or laptop. I'm sure I will end up with a win8 systems eventually but I might as well wait until I need the new hardware.
Edited by jeffkro - 10/28/12 at 7:49pm
post #147 of 497
I like Leo - but he obviously did not use Win8 very long. I felt the same way until day 3...now I like it a lot. I just wish it came with a little tutorial video. I would have skipped it at the start - but then searched it out later. I could not blame MS for making things confusing if I skipped on their tutorial video...too bad there is not one.
Edited by cybrsage - 10/28/12 at 7:49pm
post #148 of 497
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

Leo Laporte - the tech guy - said win8 was great for a touch device but that he didn't like it much at all for your standard PC. Kind of fits with all the noise about win8.
That pretty much sums it up for me, I see no compelling reason to spend the cash on my desktop, HTPC, or laptop. I'm sure I will end up with a win8 systems eventually but I might as well wait until I need the new hardware.

Bought 3 Win 7 licences for $15 and upgraded all 3 of my systems. Its an excellent OS, if you can run it (preferably on a SSD), you really should.
post #149 of 497
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Originally Posted by Tiddles88 View Post

Bought 3 Win 7 licences for $15 and upgraded all 3 of my systems. Its an excellent OS, if you can run it (preferably on a SSD), you really should.

Where did you get this deal?
post #150 of 497
Microsoft has been hit and miss with their OS. 7 good.............8 ?

I damn sure will play with it on somebody else's dime like Best Buy before I

upgrade my own stuff.


As has been said a million times and as I have aged I have found it to be true.

Newer isn't always better !
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