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Need real user feedback who have owned both; Pioneer D3 vs Denon or Onkyo Class AB

Poll Results: What would you do?

 
  • 0% (0)
    Fix Denon AVR-4806CI for ~$800.
  • 0% (0)
    Purchase Pioneer SC-61 for ~$800.
  • 0% (0)
    Purchase a new cooler running Class AB receiver for ~$800.
  • 100% (1)
    Cut my losses and just enjoy the Onkyo TX-NR3009.
1 Total Vote  
post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I have had a Denon AVR-4806CI since 2006. The amplifier in this receiver was very clean sounding. I could turn it up to great SPL levels without any discomfort or perceived distortion or audible artifacts. It recently locked up on me and it will cost $800 to have the digital board replaced.

I bought an Onkyo TX-NR3009 when the Denon unit went down to have something to use in my main listening room. My ancient Sony receiver in my game room is on its last leg so I figured if I got the Denon fixed I could pick my favorite for my main room and put the other in the game room to replace the Sony. The Onkyo can also run to great SPL levels and sounds great, but I occasionally perceive an ever so slight distortion or discomfort at high SPL that I don't remember with the Denon. Also, the Onkyo runs warmer than my Denon and my room heats up uncomfortably after an hour or two of use.

Now, $800 to have a 7 or 8 year old receiver fixed has me on the fence. I can buy a brand new Pioneer SC-6x or other receivers in this price range with several useful features that the Denon doesn't support due to its age. So part of the reason for this thread is to help me determine if I should spend the $800 to fix the old receiver or not.

I am an engineer and understand much of the differences in the amplifier classes and technologies including many of the theoretical pros and cons and have read many opinions on the topic also. What I can't seem to find are any good threads comparing these devices head to head. So please if you now own a Pioneer D3 receiver and also own a quality Class AB Receiver, can you share a brief description of your setup and how you feel they compare in terms of sound quality. Can you perceive any sound quality difference?

What I am hoping to hear is that most don't perceive a difference, and that if a Pioneer SC-6x receiver sounds as good as the Onkyo TX-NR3009, I could buy one around or slightly above the $800 and also help the heat problem in my main room due to the amplifier efficiency improvements.

However, the AVR-4806CI retailed for over $4000 and has an awesome AB amplifier, so some may see the $800 as a bargain for this level of amplifier performance???

What say you?

Thanks,
DLB
Edited by David Baldwin - 10/23/12 at 12:33pm
post #2 of 10
Get a new avr. The Pioneer Elite D3 avr's have lot of clean power, low distortion, tons of features and a very clean sound. They also use MCACC which approaches bass management from a different angle than other room corrections systems. In my system I prefer it over Audyssey.
post #3 of 10
I owned the 4806CI. Pretty nice unit. I replaced it with the Denon AVP-A1HDCI. I also have an AVR-4311CI for the living room.

Put that $800 towards a new AVR-4520CI.
post #4 of 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

Get a new avr. The Pioneer Elite D3 avr's have lot of clean power, low distortion, tons of features and a very clean sound. They also use MCACC which approaches bass management from a different angle than other room corrections systems. In my system I prefer it over Audyssey.

MCACC doesn't approach bass management from a different angle, it basically doesn't approach it at all, though I suppose doing nothing is a different angle. For me, Pioneer's failure to improve MCACC was the single largest factor in switching to Denon/XT32 after owning several Pio AVR's.
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the opinions so far. any more opinions? I have to make a decision over the weekend.

Thanks,
DLB
post #6 of 10
i second sam's opinion...
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Well, I chose to get it fixed. They don't make a receiver this good for twice what it will cost me to fix it. The 4520ci doesn't even have a toroidal transformer in it. I know that's only one factor of many that impact the quality, but no sense in paying 2x for a few extra features I'm not likely to use much.

Thanks for your inputs!!!
post #8 of 10
^^^

a toroid will have minimal impact (if any) on actual sound quality...

modern dsp, otoh, can (and does) make a significant impact on sound quality...
post #9 of 10
Strange. Not a single person here recommended that you get it fixed (including someone -me- who owned one!) and yet you still did?
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Not so strange really. I didn't want to drop another $2,000+ for a new receiver, when as I mentioned, the 4806ci sounds better to me than my new Onkyo TX-NR3009, which is also a THX Ultra2 plus unit and has the latest Audyssey MultEq XT-32.

The Denon is likely to reclaim its spot in my Theater, while the Onkyo is likely to get moved to the family room or game room.

If money was no object, I may have purchased the 4520ci as was suggested or I may have invested in separates.

Next, I plan to add a new blu ray player, probably new Oppo BD-103 so I can play SACD and DVD-A discs. My PS3 60GB is getting noisier and throwing off more heat lately, so as much as I like it, need a better solution for the theater. Also, the lack of IR power control on the PS3 has always been a pain.

I also need to consider adding some more absorption in the theater, primarily on the screen wall and possibly on the ceiling and a few bass traps in the corners.

A new projector would be nice too, my Mitsubishi HC5000BL is getting pretty old. A new projector would probably offer a big improvement. The new Epson, Panny, and Sony seem to be getting most of the press. My Mits has been good to me though so will look at what they have and also JVC. My son wants good 3D. I want a brighter image and better blacks, while keeping with a silent projector. Lots of trade offs from what I have read so far.

I am also planning to audition some new speakers and may consider change in the theater. My Jamo D7 system is great for movies, but not for music. I currently have a pair of Definitive Technology speakers that I use for music and they sound good, but I want to see if I can improve on them. Of course, I will need to consider cost. Again, the Definitive Technology speakers would get moved to the game room. My wife won't stand for floorstanders in the family room.

Thanks again for your inputs though, they helped me decide what was most important to me.

DLB
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