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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

You can wait for the nicer W1400/ W1500 to come out in March/ April.



Any links or specs for these?
post #1472 of 8477
Here's a bit of info.

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/9314-BenQ-W1500.html
http://www.zdnet.de/88139864/cebit-benq-zeigt-projektoren-mit-drahtloser-bildubertragung/
http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/benq-w1500-dlp-1080p-ready-wifi-1799-euros-t36807.html
post #1473 of 8477
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Originally Posted by jamieuk147 View Post

So I want to do some 3D gaming with this projector am I good to go for PC and xbox 360 gaming with my 3D glasses?

Depends on the resolution you game at.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435626/benq-w1070-dlp-full-hd-3d-ready-with-lens-shift-for-1000/540#post_22694708
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Looks like it's gonna be about $500-$600 more than the W1070.

Unless it has better lensfhit, and better contrast/black, I just don't see how anyone will choose the W1500 over the W1070.
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I had a chance to check out a W1070, and I have to say it's a pretty sweet unit - especially for its modest price. I'm coming from a background of having had 3LCD projectors in the past (and currently). I've never owned a DLP projector. I am blown away by how sharp this DLP unit is compared to my Epson 3020! The colours like more natural (to me, at least) and less saturated than my Epson. All-in-all, it seems like a great unit . . . and it seems a little less than half the size of the Epson. What shows on screen looks amazing, but the build quality seems a bit on the flimsy side. This is just my impression - the unit may well be constructed, maybe better than most. Who knows?

I did notice the light leakage from the front and side of the unit - BUT - after watching the image for a few mins. I completely forgot about the modest light leakage that I could see hitting a nearby side-wall. This isn't a deal breaker, for me anyway.

The noise level wasn't much different than with the Epson . . . it's there, but that's the nature of projection.

One concern I have about DLP is that the unit doesn't have / need an air filter. I read from the competition that projectors without any air filters end up with a lot of dust inside the unit due to the cooling / air exchange fan. One point made is that dust can settle on the lamp and cause early failure, etc. I know when opening up a computer that has a cooling fan that they attract TONS of dust. I can see this would possible be true with projectors not having filters too. Has anyone had issues with DLP's getting too dirty and causing problems?

Thanks . . .

Ian
post #1476 of 8477
Ordered from va last night...asked in the notes about the firmware. received a call from them this morning saying that this will ship directly from benq... So it should be latest firmware.
post #1477 of 8477
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

I had a chance to check out a W1070, and I have to say it's a pretty sweet unit - especially for its modest price. I'm coming from a background of having had 3LCD projectors in the past (and currently). I've never owned a DLP projector. I am blown away by how sharp this DLP unit is compared to my Epson 3020! The colours like more natural (to me, at least) and less saturated than my Epson. All-in-all, it seems like a great unit . . . and it seems a little less than half the size of the Epson. What shows on screen looks amazing, but the build quality seems a bit on the flimsy side. This is just my impression - the unit may well be constructed, maybe better than most. Who knows?

I did notice the light leakage from the front and side of the unit - BUT - after watching the image for a few mins. I completely forgot about the modest light leakage that I could see hitting a nearby side-wall. This isn't a deal breaker, for me anyway.

The noise level wasn't much different than with the Epson . . . it's there, but that's the nature of projection.

One concern I have about DLP is that the unit doesn't have / need an air filter. I read from the competition that projectors without any air filters end up with a lot of dust inside the unit due to the cooling / air exchange fan. One point made is that dust can settle on the lamp and cause early failure, etc. I know when opening up a computer that has a cooling fan that they attract TONS of dust. I can see this would possible be true with projectors not having filters too. Has anyone had issues with DLP's getting too dirty and causing problems?

Thanks . . .

Ian

I thought that was the whole point of DLP - it is a sealed light path so dust isnt an issue.

I am kinda new to this though but that is the reason I wanted a DLP projector.

Todd
post #1478 of 8477
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

One concern I have about DLP is that the unit doesn't have / need an air filter. I read from the competition that projectors without any air filters end up with a lot of dust inside the unit due to the cooling / air exchange fan. One point made is that dust can settle on the lamp and cause early failure, etc. I know when opening up a computer that has a cooling fan that they attract TONS of dust. I can see this would possible be true with projectors not having filters too. Has anyone had issues with DLP's getting too dirty and causing problems?

Thanks . . .

Ian

Filter-free. DLP projectors that have sealed DLP chips can operate without air filters. Thus maintenance is reduced since there is no need to periodically clean or replace filters. I have a Infocus IN76 DLP projector and never had a dust problem with it....The projector is 6 years old....
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Same here. SP-7210 about 6-years old also and no dust blobs with it sealed optics path. The older SP-4805 had no sealed optics and was prone to dust in the optics. I would think all modern DLP PJs should employ a sealed optic path but I could be wrong as some try to meet a price point and sacrifice this sometimes.
post #1480 of 8477
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Originally Posted by ahheck01 View Post

Quick Placement Question:

I'd like to get the w1070, but may have to get the w1080st based on living space. Here's a drawing in AutoCad of my soon-to-be living room arrangement. The faint square on the coffee table is a w1080st at 6' from where the projector screen would be. The max width on the projector screen is 8' 8", which is about what the w1080st is at from 6' away.

The faint square behind the couch is the w1070 at 13' away. Zoom in, and it can do 8' 8" at that distance. The challenge is that it'll have to be on a platform above the back of the couch, which also means nobody sitting in the middle seat.

Even so it'd be 4' off the ground, and the screen would be 5' tall on a 9' tall wall. I'm thinking I wouldn't want it to be more than 3' off the floor, so the bottom of the image would have to land 1' lower than the projector lens. Is that even possible, or should I just suck it up and go with the ST?

The W1070 must be mounted either just below the bottom of screen (when table mounted) or just above the top of the screen (when ceiling mounted in the inverted position). These BenQ models (including the short throw version) have a very limited adjustment range for the lens shift, so there is only a very little flexibility in the vertical postion of the projector. You may want to check out the BenQ projector calculator (link is HERE), but it doesn't seem to show the effects of the lens shift adjustment.
Edited by Ron Jones - 1/22/13 at 1:44pm
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You are both correct about the sealed optic path for DLP projectors. There should never be dust blobs.
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"There should never be dust blobs"...well, it can happen if someone gets happy with compressed air in the lamp chamber. I've cleaned several DLP projectors after their owners thought they were cleaning. All they were doing was to drive the dust into the chamber. To say that they are "sealed" is a bit of a stretch. Yes, in normal operation, you should never get any dust in the chamber. So in that, they are sealed. In contrast to LCD projectors which have NO protection for their optics, which are more than three times the number that are in DLP, many opportunities for dust there.
post #1483 of 8477
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Originally Posted by sketch660 View Post

Does anyone know if Amazon is an authorized BenQ reseller? I am assuming they are but wanted to know if I should cancel my order for the W1080ST and just get it from the BenQ Shop since it's the same price and they at least have an estimated ship date. Only confusing thing on the BenQ site is that there are two listings for the W1080ST with different SKUs (as there also is with the W1070) and I'm not sure what the difference is.

So I tried the contact us page with BenQ and got nowhere. I called BenQ support and they said as long as it comes from Amazon and not a sub-vendor then that warranty is valid provided you have a recipt/invoice from them (available from the "Your Account" page). So with Amazon's good return policy and being backed by the BenQ warranty I would say that's the way to go as far as pre-orders. I'm sure prices will go down in a month or two but I really can't wait to get this projector setup as I just remodelled the room in anticipation of it coming out. The BenQ rep also said that Amazon will have their projectors in stock pretty much the same time BenQ does so it's looking like early February for anyone looking for the short throw model (whether through BenQ or Amazon).
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Going by BenQ's calculator, for my desired setup and screen placement (100" screen in a 14ft room, 8ft ceilings) both the W1070 and W1080st would have to be either two feet off the ground or two feet down from ceiling (good thing I'm under 6ft tall!). Seems to be awkward to place unobtrusively either way. Have I missed something here, or is there another pj that would better suit my preferences (sub $2k, 1080p, 3d, short or shorter throw). I was ready to snap up one of these until I realized how low it'd hang.
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My w1070 came in today, but when I saw the postal truck, I didn't open the door! Reason is that my tenant is always ordering things on line, and almost on a daily basis the postal worker rings our bell. Today when he came, I didn't feel like going downstairs, and when I checked my mailbox, it was for me!

Another reason I didn't open the door was because Future Shop gave me a time frame for the end of the month, and the PJ literally arrived the next day. I ordered it friday night, and monday it was shipped, and it came on tuesday. I think Future Shop and Bestbuy have them in their local warehouses in vancouver. Otherwise it could not have been here in one day. The reason i'm writing this: if you live in Canada (vancouver in particular), you can have your PJ within 1 day.
Edited by Singh007 - 1/22/13 at 7:03pm
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Hello forum members.
Just joined today, as you can see. I've read the whole thread. It seems like the w1070 is a excellent choice for 899$ from avs.
I wanna see if I can get some help with my projector setup. I'm selling my old optoma hd70 and 100in elite screen for about 600$ to a friend.
I picked up a 100 elite ezframe cinegray from amazon. I'm stuck on what projector to get. I'm throwing up the idea of getting a epson 5010 from avs for 1999$
Vs the benq w1070 for 899$. I figured I could apply the 600$ to getting a better quality projector in the epson 5010. I don't plan to buy another projector for another 6 yr or so. I had the optoma for 6years. I figured I might as well pay a little extra for a better projector. I use my ht setup for Sunday football with some lighting in the room and the late night moving watching with the family as well. At night it's pretty dark. So my question would be should I spend the extra money and get the 5010 over the benq ? Or the benq is pretty close to the 5010 in blacks and lumens ..
post #1487 of 8477
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Originally Posted by Solarbeat View Post

Going by BenQ's calculator, for my desired setup and screen placement (100" screen in a 14ft room, 8ft ceilings) both the W1070 and W1080st would have to be either two feet off the ground or two feet down from ceiling (good thing I'm under 6ft tall!). Seems to be awkward to place unobtrusively either way. Have I missed something here, or is there another pj that would better suit my preferences (sub $2k, 1080p, 3d, short or shorter throw). I was ready to snap up one of these until I realized how low it'd hang.

Most DLP projectors have no lens shift capability and a fairly large offset that results in the projector needing to be placed either below the bottom of the screen or above the top of the screen. In fact these new BenQ models are just about the only 1080p budget models offering any lens shift adjustment while the more expensive BenQ W7000 (under $2K street price) has a wider range vertical lens shift plus also horizontal lens shift, but the W7000 is a fairly long throw projector and needs a minimum throw distance of about 12 ft. to fill a 100 inch screen and this may, or may not work for your specific situation. In the $2.5K price range the Epson (3LCD) 5020UB projector (Info HERE) has a very flexible lens shift adjustment range and also a wide range zoom lens and can fill a 100 inch screen from as close as just under 10 ft. throw distance and up to over 20 ft..
Edited by Ron Jones - 1/22/13 at 7:37pm
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Just saw this VA has the w1070 for $899.00 http://www.visualapex.com/BenQ/Projector-Specifications.asp?For-The=W1070&SE=Pgrabber&KW=W1070

I just bought a Epson 3020 from best buy for $1399.00. Considering returning it and getting the w1070. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

Calibrated lumens are better on the BenQ but its blacks aren't even on the same planet as the 5010.
For fast paced, brightly lit sports action I would go with the BenQ. For late night movie watching the 5010 is likely a better choice.
If you are patient the BenQ will drop way below $1000, putting the 5010 at an even greater premium.

Hey, why don't you buy one of both then give us a direct side by side comparison. smile.gif

Thanks for the input.
I would if amazon had both. Easy to return. I'm trying a benq w7000 form amazon. biggrin.gif
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heres some iphone pics of the benQ w7000
post #1491 of 8477
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

Calibrated lumens are better on the BenQ but its blacks aren't even on the same planet as the 5010.
For fast paced, brightly lit sports action I would go with the BenQ. For late night movie watching the 5010 is likely a better choice.
If you are patient the BenQ will drop way below $1000, putting the 5010 at an even greater premium.

Hey, why don't you buy one of both then give us a direct side by side comparison. smile.gif

For anyone in Canada, I just checked the pricing on the BenQ - and the W1070 is on sale at Canada Computers for $899.00 (one hundred off)!

I had an opportunity to demo a W1070 at my place last night. I had an Epson 3020, which I've not been happy with - I don't think that the optics are good enough - even for an entry level 1080p projector. I recently bought the 3020 as a second projector and it was returned to Best Buy tonight. I've had the Epson 5010 since last summer, and I've loved it. But having the opportunity to demo the W1070 made it clear that the projector is a fantastic buy. Compared to the 3020 and even my 5010 the sharpness is much better - FANTASTIC! I displayed the pattern that can be enabled from the remote on the BenQ. It's a standard white grid. The edge-to-edge and top-to-bottom focus is spot on. On the Epson, when you look at the alignment grid (similar pattern) I can see many focus and convergence issues. I'm not dissing Epson, I've just had bad luck . . . and it's clear that the one-chip BenQ DLP with the lens BenQ have matched to this unit works very well. I am going to get the budget BenQ as my second unit, since to me it's much better than the 3020.

As a 5010 owner, I would say that the brightness on my approx. 110" screen looks pretty close for both the 5010 and the W1070. The colour that the BenQ displays out-of-the-box (I quite liked the Cinema mode with SmartEco applied) is fantastic for dark room viewing. I had the Epson running to do comparisons, and the BenQ colour was really, really nice! When I'd go back to the Epson 5010 to review the same demo material, the colour looked like it really needed work by comparison and the image looked lack-luster to me.

Like others have said, there definitely light leakage from the top of the unit and the side. It did bother me. But I have to admit, that after watching some content I completely didn't notice the slight spill of light on the wall. It quickly, for me, become a non-issue.

The black levels of the 5010 are the ONLY thing that I like better than what this little BenQ offers. The BenQ lacks frame interpolation - but I barely bother with it on the 5010 so I won't miss not having it on the BenQ. For me, the bottom line is that the W1070 image is so much sharper and the colors (out-of-the-box) are so much more "natural" (whatever that means) than what I get from the 5010. I'm sure that others would prefer the look of the 5010 - it's all subjective. But heck, I'd take what the W1070 gives me over my 5010 any day. For me, having a sharper more natural looking picture is worth giving up some black level performance. And the black levels are okay - but not great. It look to be about what the 3020 offers . . . but the Epson 3020, with the auto iris on, can hide some of the projectors limitations - especially when in a move, for example, where a scene fades to black. The Epson is quick to hide the tell-tale signs of a budget projector better than the BenQ in certain cases with black level performance.

I really like the fact that the bulb (according to how it's driven - and if the specs are accurate) is rated for up to 6000 hrs. I checked the cost of a replacement lamp for the unit, and you can purchase them on-line for a little over $200.00!

The size of the BenQ is small and light for something that makes such a huge and very good impression. The Epson's (3020 and 5010) are at least twice the size and more than twice the weight of the W1070.

The Epson projectors look almost like sculpted art. They are nice looking projectors. The BenQ looks kinda "meh" - there isn't much to get excited about when taking it out-of-the-box. I guess the trick is to enjoy looking at the amazing projected images instead of trying to admire it's physical appearance.

I didn't have compatible glasses to test the 3D performance. When I get the BenQ, I won't rush to get glasses, since I'm very happy with the 3D performance from the Epson 5010 - and I already have a bunch of glasses for it.

Ian
Edited by teeger - 1/22/13 at 9:41pm
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The big thing with LCD & LCOS projectors is that convergence is very important to get good sharpness. I have seen both good and bad projectors from both Epson and JVC. Usually DLP projectors are considered sharper and have less variation in brightness across the screen. I own both a JVC RS45 & the 1070. I am lucky that my JVC has great convergence and good sharpness. Having said that the 1070 is above and beyond what I expected in this price class. Color & brightness are great and with a few tweaks most users will be more than happy. The one thing one will be giving up is the deep blacks that the JVC has. If you have a bat cave and deep blacks are important than you might want to go for a projector in a higher price class. Others will love the 1070. I bought my unit for 3D use since I can't stand ghosting and with the JVC it was a problem. The 1070 has no ghosting at all and the picture is very bright. The one exception is for those who experience the Rainbow Effect (RBE) this or most other DLP units would not be an option.
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anyone try an ND2 filter on a W1070? I'd like to hear what the blacks are like (how it compares to other projectors w/ good out of the box blacks) & what it does to the colors, pop, brightness, etc, of the image.

still waiting for my VA purchase to be delivered. Did anyone get tracking info from them when purchasing recently? Wondering if tracking is a problem since it's getting shipped directly from Benq.

thanks
post #1494 of 8477
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Originally Posted by Ring30 View Post

anyone try an ND2 filter on a W1070? I'd like to hear what the blacks are like (how it compares to other projectors w/ good out of the box blacks) & what it does to the colors, pop, brightness, etc, of the image.

still waiting for my VA purchase to be delivered. Did anyone get tracking info from them when purchasing recently? Wondering if tracking is a problem since it's getting shipped directly from Benq.

thanks

ND2 filter mathematically should decrease black level to be close with epson 5020. If shadow details was not ruined by ND filter, it will be an excellent overall projector. My idea is to have W1080ST with ND4 filter, this will be the brightest 3D projector with excellent 2D performance.
post #1495 of 8477
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

ND2 filter mathematically should decrease black level to be close with epson 5020. If shadow details was not ruined by ND filter, it will be an excellent overall projector. My idea is to have W1080ST with ND4 filter, this will be the brightest 3D projector with excellent 2D performance.

If you want the black level to match the 5020, with its dynamic iris enabled at some reasonable setting, you would probably need a ND filter that only passes perhaps 10% of the light. This would cut the overall brightness, including white levels by this same amount thus producing a projector (w/ ND filter combo) with less than 200 lumens of output. A ND filter is not a substitute for a good dynamic iris since the DI keeps bright scenes bright but makes dark scenes darker. The native contrast ratio of the UB series of Epson projectors is probably equal, or a little better to that of the W1070, but the Espon's DI makes the difference. That being said, using a DI to boost the CR and lower the black level on dark scenes is still not the equal to having the very high native CR of the JVC projectors. I own both an earlier model in the Epson UB series as well as a JVC projector (also one DLP).. Even with these observations, the W1070 appears to be great little projector for a very modest price.
post #1496 of 8477
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still waiting for my VA purchase to be delivered. Did anyone get tracking info from them when purchasing recently? Wondering if tracking is a problem since it's getting shipped directly from Benq.

thanks
No tracking here...ordered Mon night. Only an invoice and USPS shipping for the dust cover.
post #1497 of 8477
Accordex, I received the same thing. I used Amazon Payments, so I'm not sure if that adds a whole other layer of complexity to the transaction.

Ron Jones, so are you implying that it would just be best not to use a ND filter on the W1070?

Mishari84, good point about losing shadow detail with a filter. It wouldn't be worth it to me to lose that in order to gain black level.

Thanks all. (can't wait)

Edit:
All filter thoughts (at least mine) are for 2D only.
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My impressions after some 3D Half-SBS testing (side-by-side with 720p ACER H5360BD)

Player: MEDE8ER MED600x3D (Realtek 1186 inside)

Looks like the W1070 likes to merge itself two parts of 3D SBS image - of course only when video output in the player is set to 1080i/50 i /60. Firmware glitch or HDMI limitation ??
If it's set to HDMI Auto or you try to switch 3D on in the player menu (so if the player merges two parts of 3D SBS image) the W1070 doesn't recognize video signal as SBS but as .. Frame Packing ! 3D glasses don't work.

Really strange. The H5360BD doesn't do that.

It's a shame as new SIGMA or RTL1186 palyers allow for L/R eye swap, 3D depth control and brightness / contrast tuning
When turning on 3D in the player's menu the H5360BD can automatically switch itself to 3D and SBS format.
Acer isn't so picky. The player's output can be set to HDMI AUTO...

With W1070 it's a lot of clicking on 2 remotes mad.gif

1. one needs to change video resolution in the player's menu (from 1080p or HDMI AUTO to 1080i/50 or /60)
2. the player must be set to 2D playback so w/o 3D added features ....
3. BENQ does the conversion job (image merge)
4. one needs to MANUALLY turn the 3D SBS in BENQ's menu

After 3D watching you have to revert these settings in the player's menu...
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Does anyone have any idea when Best Buy and similar stores will start carrying the W1070?
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Originally Posted by geezerpl View Post

My impressions after some 3D Half-SBS testing (side-by-side with 720p ACER H5360BD)

Player: MEDE8ER MED600x3D (Realtek 1186 inside)

Looks like the W1070 likes to merge itself two parts of 3D SBS image - of course only when video output in the player is set to 1080i/50 i /60. Firmware glitch or HDMI limitation ??
If it's set to HDMI Auto or you try to switch 3D on in the player menu (so if the player merges two parts of 3D SBS image) the W1070 doesn't recognize video signal as SBS but as .. Frame Packing ! 3D glasses don't work.

Really strange. The H5360BD doesn't do that.

It's a shame as new SIGMA or RTL1186 palyers allow for L/R eye swap, 3D depth control and brightness / contrast tuning
When turning on 3D in the player's menu the H5360BD can automatically switch itself to 3D and SBS format.
Acer isn't so picky. The player's output can be set to HDMI AUTO...

With W1070 it's a lot of clicking on 2 remotes mad.gif

1. one needs to change video resolution in the player's menu (from 1080p or HDMI AUTO to 1080i/50 or /60)
2. the player must be set to 2D playback so w/o 3D added features ....
3. BENQ does the conversion job (image merge)
4. one needs to MANUALLY turn the 3D SBS in BENQ's menu

After 3D watching you have to revert these settings in the player's menu...

The 5360 is only a 720p player. That is possibly the reason why the Auto mode will not work for Side by Side. The good news is that nearly all Blu-Ray disks are frame packed disks that do not need the switching. That being said, I wonder if Benq could find a better solution with a firmware upgrade to bypass this four step process.
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