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post #1501 of 8507
So this pj won't play 1080p SBS mkv?
post #1502 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Leonos View Post

I am currently in doubt between the Acer H9500BD and BenQ's W1070.
Its just for watching 2D and 3D movies occasionally, not for watching the news

Distance PJ and screen is about 9ft and screen-size is 80", so both PJ are possible.
In 2 different calculations the Acer is the brightest in this setup but I have my doubts if this is correct.
Cannot imagine that the W1070 which is praised for it's brightness loses this from the Acer.

One review states that the W1070's 3D mode is somewhat disappointing regarding to depth and pop-outs.
In this review the Acer's 3D is 'WOW' and awarded.

In the Acer's review on AVS there seems to be hardware or software issues sometimes, but maybe all new beamers have those.

Some pros and cons.

H9500BD:
Pros:
- both vertical and horizontal lens-shift
- more zoom possible
- (maybe) better 3D
- compatible with more DLP link glasses
- Acer's glasses are good looking and light weighted
- Better better blacks and color

Cons:
- reported hardware / software issues
- brightness is reported as weak, especially in 3D mode (don't know if thats an issue on close range projection)
- short bulb life

W1070:
Pros:
- Great brightness
- No hardware / software issues reported
- nice and small thingy
- long bulb life

Cos:
- 'maybe' bad 3D depth/popout (due to the short-throw ?)
- no horizontal lens-shift
- vertical lens-shift limited
- heavy, ugly and expensive 3D glasses
- glasses not compatible with most DLP link glasses
- leaks light.
- noisy
- hidden bugs yet to be reported ?

So who can give me some advice here ?
Is 3D really that bad on the BenQ projector and is the Acer really that unreliable with software and hardware ?

I own a H9500BD and have a W1070 on order but will not play with it till March maybe. What size screen do you plan to have? Light controlled room?
( edited to add. Didn't notice the 80" screen size. Also read in the H9500BD thread and looks like you choose the H9500BD. I think you will be very happy with the H9500BD. The W1070 will likely be too bright at 80" and need a ND filter to tone it down. )

I was very pleased with my H9500BD brightness wise in a semi light controlled room, had some light coming from halls etc on a 100" screen around .9 gain. I ordered the projector Dec 2011 and had no issue with it. Had the firm ware with the SBS tearing and non 1:1 pixel mapping. The 1:1 pixel mapping wasn't a issue for me (not visible from seated position) And SBS tearing wasn't a issue as I didn't use it. I did send the projector in for the update a bit ago and it came back not working. Acer paid shipping both ways, I guess they are sending me a new projector as parts are taking a long time to come in. Anyway all that said I wouldn't hesitate buying a H9500BD as it worked great for me and am sure the new one will work great as well.
I am looking forward to viewing the W1070, won't be doing a A/B test as one will be in the states and other in the Antarctic.
Edited by man4mopar - 1/23/13 at 11:18am
post #1503 of 8507
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Originally Posted by gizmoclunky View Post

Can anyone help me? I have the w1070 (which I love) but I can't get to play blurays in 3D and it's really starting to annoy me. I have the sainsonic glasses whch work fine with xbox 3D but with the Judge Dredd bluray nothing happens. The projector understands that it has a 3d source and displays that info at the top with frame packing selected and the bluray image is blurry and looks like it should be 3d but nothing happens when I put the glassez on. What am I doing wrong? HELP.....

Like others have said I think it is your glasses, even though you just got them a week ago.

Xbox will send a signal of 720P frame packed 60hz, this means your glasses work at 120hz.

3D Bluray will send a 1080P 24hz, this means the projector will go into 144hz mode and if the glasses do not do 144hz you will get blur or a messed up image anyway.

I would contact the company that made your glasses as they will likely remedy the issue.
post #1504 of 8507
Here is a link to the manual that has all supported input signals, starting page 56. ftp://downloads.benq.net/user_manuals/projectors/english/projector_um_user_manual_20120830_133334w1070_w1080st_en.pdf

1080p SBS is not supported at any frequency per the manual. It will do 1080 50i SBS and 1080 60i SBS. It will also do 1080P 24hz Top Bottom and Frame Packing.
post #1505 of 8507
I see benq store has this $100 off...but backordered... Awesome... who knows when I'll see it
post #1506 of 8507
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Originally Posted by accordex View Post

I see benq store has this $100 off...but backordered... Awesome... who knows when I'll see it



Also, still not available on Amazon.
post #1507 of 8507
I ordered mine on sunday and it was shipped yesterday.
post #1508 of 8507
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Originally Posted by scottyroo View Post

Because of the lens shift you need to place it upside down. For my GT750 I went to Home Depot and got some rubber corks to use as feet so I could rest te PJ upside down on them. It actually worked out very well for my situation. The focus was a pain to adjust though.

Scottyroo,

How thick (tall) are the rubber corks you bought at Home Depot? I will be placing my W1070 upside down on a rear shelf, and will need to find something good to place the unit on. I had a demo BenQ to test, and I used 4 hockey pucks to place the projector on (worked great), but they aren't think enough to get my hands (fingers) into the recessed area to do focus / zoom. Any thoughs? Also, what dept. at Home Depot sells "rubber corks"? What are these things normally used for . . . I hope to swing by Home Depot later today.

Thanks!

Ian
post #1509 of 8507
Just received mine about an hour ago. My VERY initial reaction to the image quality is simply WOW! Very very sharp. Nice colors. Ok..gonna go play with it a little more!
post #1510 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

Just received mine about an hour ago. My VERY initial reaction to the image quality is simply WOW! Very very sharp. Nice colors. Ok..gonna go play with it a little more!

Great ! I ordered mine yesterday. Let me know what 3D glasses you are using.
post #1511 of 8507
I have two pair of the MonsterVision Max 3D glasses that I bought for my RS40 but haven't used them because of not wanting to challenge the bulb on the JVC. Will these glasses work on the W1070?
post #1512 of 8507
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

Scottyroo,

How thick (tall) are the rubber corks you bought at Home Depot? I will be placing my W1070 upside down on a rear shelf, and will need to find something good to place the unit on. I had a demo BenQ to test, and I used 4 hockey pucks to place the projector on (worked great), but they aren't think enough to get my hands (fingers) into the recessed area to do focus / zoom. Any thoughs? Also, what dept. at Home Depot sells "rubber corks"? What are these things normally used for . . . I hope to swing by Home Depot later today.

Thanks!

Ian

Hi Ian - the rubber corks I used were approx. 1.5" tall. It is barely enough to get your fingers under and adjust the zoom and focus. What I did is manually zoomed in all the way since I needed to anwyay. The focusing can actually be done on the edge of the lens from the front as well so that is pretty much a non issue. I moved to a ceiling mount shortly after but am thinking of going back to rubber corks because when people walk or kids run around upstairs the projector jiggles. I don't know what the rubber corks are used for but they can be found where all the screw drawers are for custom hardware. Look like this:



On a side note I did some testing on the light leaking halo on the ceiling. It is actually not coming from the gaps around the lens. It is coming from inside the lens itself. There are mirrors behind the lens that are causing it. The only thing I can think of doing to help out with this is getting a lens hood or something similar. No biggie as it doesn't distract when anything is on-screen.
post #1513 of 8507
True Depth 3D glasses work: Note that I obtained the latest (Version 3?) of the True Depth DLP Link rechargeable 3D glasses and they work fine with this projector.
post #1514 of 8507
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Originally Posted by ered View Post

True Depth 3D glasses work: Note that I obtained the latest (Version 3?) of the True Depth DLP Link rechargeable 3D glasses and they work fine with this projector.

Hi. Thanks for the report. Can you clarify exactly what you tested? For other brands of glasses, people are reporting that things are, for example, working OK at 120hz (1080p60) but not 144hz (1080p24). It would be helpful for you to clarify exactly what device (blu-ray?) and content you are testing against when you observe that they "work fine."
post #1515 of 8507
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Originally Posted by scottyroo View Post

Hi Ian - the rubber corks I used were approx. 1.5" tall. It is barely enough to get your fingers under and adjust the zoom and focus. What I did is manually zoomed in all the way since I needed to anwyay. The focusing can actually be done on the edge of the lens from the front as well so that is pretty much a non issue. I moved to a ceiling mount shortly after but am thinking of going back to rubber corks because when people walk or kids run around upstairs the projector jiggles. I don't know what the rubber corks are used for but they can be found where all the screw drawers are for custom hardware. Look like this:


Thanks Scottyroo for the quick info. Those rubber cork "things" might actually be a bit better for the BenQ than the hockey pucks I used. The contour of the projector's casing is a bit uneven for the wider hockey pucks (although they work). The pucks are perfect for the Epson 5010 - it's a little more "user friendly" for upside-down use on a shelf. I can now go off to Home Depot with confidence. Thanks for the pic and description. The 1.5" height of these helps when trying to get to the controls.

I found the lens cap is a bit of a pain, if you don't place it on the projector VERY CAREFULLY you end up turning the lens - and defocusing what you've worked hard to get right! With the Epson 3020 Epson was smart to make the lens cap cover the lens area without it touching the lens itself. This made it easier to take on and off without turning the lens slightly.

Looking forward to hearing more about your impressions of the new W1070.

Enjoy!

Ian
post #1516 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Amgclk65 View Post

Hello forum members.
Just joined today, as you can see. I've read the whole thread. It seems like the w1070 is a excellent choice for 899$ from avs.
I wanna see if I can get some help with my projector setup. I'm selling my old optoma hd70 and 100in elite screen for about 600$ to a friend.
I picked up a 100 elite ezframe cinegray from amazon. I'm stuck on what projector to get. I'm throwing up the idea of getting a epson 5010 from avs for 1999$
Vs the benq w1070 for 899$. I figured I could apply the 600$ to getting a better quality projector in the epson 5010. I don't plan to buy another projector for another 6 yr or so. I had the optoma for 6years. I figured I might as well pay a little extra for a better projector. I use my ht setup for Sunday football with some lighting in the room and the late night moving watching with the family as well. At night it's pretty dark. So my question would be should I spend the extra money and get the 5010 over the benq ? Or the benq is pretty close to the 5010 in blacks and lumens ..

Having owned the HD70 prior to the 1070 the 1070 was a major upgrade from the HD70. The brightness of the Benq is astounding and will let you watch sports or whatever you want with some ambient light. The contrast and blacks seem somewhat better than the HD70 but in the same ballpark. It would be hard for me to imagine paying twice as much for the Epson over the 1070. You will be able to either sit much closer to the same sized screen or go with a much larger screen size than you had before. I sit 9 feet back from a 110 inch screen and see zero pixel structure, with excellent sharpness from good source materials. I could never have done that with the HD70. The extra brightness gives you more screen options in my opinion.
post #1517 of 8507
[quote name="Amgclk65" I'm stuck on what projector to get. I'm throwing up the idea of getting a epson 5010 from avs for 1999$
Vs the benq w1070 for 899$. I figured I could apply the 600$ to getting a better quality projector in the epson 5010. I don't plan to buy another projector for another 6 yr or so. I had the optoma for 6years. I figured I might as well pay a little extra for a better projector. I use my ht setup for Sunday football with some lighting in the room and the late night moving watching with the family as well. At night it's pretty dark. So my question would be should I spend the extra money and get the 5010 over the benq ? Or the benq is pretty close to the 5010 in blacks and lumens ..[/quote]

I posted some comments today about my impressions of the new W1070 vs. my Epson 5010. I played with a demo W1070 for several hrs. last night, and I now have one on order. It should arrive early next week. If I had to part with one of the two projectors, I would definitely keep the W1070 over the 5010. The blacks of the BenQ don't get as deep . . . BUT . . . the picture from the BenQ to my eye is in every other way superior. The BenQ has all the sharpness you should expect from a good 1080p projector - to me the Epson just does not. If you have some lighting on in the room for football (and that's how you usually watch a projector) I bet the BenQ would blow you away . . . with any lights on the blacks are going to suffer - doesn't matter if you own a $10,000.00 projector or the little BenQ. If, however, you are watching in a dark home theater, and you are a stickler for the blackest blacks - then I'd go with a projector with deep blacks. But I don't think that the Epson 5010 is as ground-breaking as the BenQ. If you pay $1,000.00 more for the 5010, I truly don't think that there is $1,000.00 more you'll see on the screen. To me, it's the opposite. Other than looking carefully at the black level performance, if someone set up both projectors to do an A / B comparison - I KNOW I would pick the BenQ as the more expensive unit (even though it isn't). The picture coming from the W1070 looks more refined to my eye.

I never thought that bright, good-looking 1080p projectors, offering 3D performance, would come down to a price point that cost less than many mid-sized LED or plasma TV's. Amazing.

Since I have both units, I can only say, from seeing them in my home, what I would do . . . I would prefer to watch using the BenQ over the 5010! It's that good. I'd keep the grand left over by getting the W1070 for more replacement lamps - this way I get to watch more on the big screen!

Ian
post #1518 of 8507
I've been struggling to understand how the Benq compares with other last-gen projectors.
Where i am struggling is that the Benq only has a contrast of 10000:1, yet many of the older projectors were 50000:1 or 100000:1 or more yet everyone is stating this has a better picture with only minor black depth issues....
I must admit - i keep looking at the images from Art between the Benq and the Acer H9500BD, and keep thinking the Acer looks FAR more punchier, which does not go with what most people here are saying.
Is the issue that the Benq does not have dynamic iris, instead has a dynamic bulb?
post #1519 of 8507
Wonderful review Ian...I can't wait to order my PJ on Friday! I'm with you. If a PJ is going to cost a $1000 more then, you should SEE the difference and I believe you should be floored and not just "meh". wink.gif
post #1520 of 8507
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

I've been struggling to understand how the Benq compares with other last-gen projectors.
Where i am struggling is that the Benq only has a contrast of 10000:1, yet many of the older projectors were 50000:1 or 100000:1 or more yet everyone is stating this has a better picture with only minor black depth issues....
I must admit - i keep looking at the images from Art between the Benq and the Acer H9500BD, and keep thinking the Acer looks FAR more punchier, which does not go with what most people here are saying.
Is the issue that the Benq does not have dynamic iris, instead has a dynamic bulb?
Those numbers that the manufacturers put out are no where close to the actual numbers
post #1521 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Ring30 View Post

Accordex, I received the same thing. I used Amazon Payments, so I'm not sure if that adds a whole other layer of complexity to the transaction.

Ron Jones, so are you implying that it would just be best not to use a ND filter on the W1070?

Mishari84, good point about losing shadow detail with a filter. It wouldn't be worth it to me to lose that in order to gain black level.

Thanks all. (can't wait)

Edit:
All filter thoughts (at least mine) are for 2D only.

I too paid through Amazon payments last Friday evening. My box of accessories showed up today, FedEx called to arrange drop off of my screen but I hadn't seen confirmation on the W1070. I emailed Vapex and they responded in less than 30 minutes. Unfortunately, the projector didn't ship until today so it will be Monday before it and the screen show up. I had hoped they would get here this Friday so I could have an extra weekend to set up for a Super Bowl party. Sure is going to be a downer to the party if there are any additional delays.
post #1522 of 8507
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Originally Posted by JackB View Post

I have two pair of the MonsterVision Max 3D glasses that I bought for my RS40 but haven't used them because of not wanting to challenge the bulb on the JVC. Will these glasses work on the W1070?

This pj is dlp link only. Are those glasses dlp link compatible? I have them too also with an rs40.
post #1523 of 8507
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

This pj is dlp link only. Are those glasses dlp link compatible? I have them too also with an rs40.

The W1070 does NOT have a VESA 3D output port, nor IR emitter. The MonsterVision glasses or any other "Universal" RF glasses that use emitter dongles require either IR emitter or VESA 3D output port on the projector to work. The only 3D sync method that this W1070 supports is DLP-link.
post #1524 of 8507
Couple questions for anyone. Im new to the world of projectors and would like to replace my 46" 3DTV, which i use as my big screen computer monitor from 1 meter away, with a decent projector viewed from 1.5 meters away. Keep in mind, i have little idea how projectors work.

1. Is the SBS or 720p image scaled to 1080p, or is it pure 720 or 960x1080?

2. Do projectors show pixelation or is it different?

3. Is the input lag in 3D ok?

4. Does the lens shift function allow the projector to work at a 35 - 45 degree angle without scaling?

5. Anyone know if the brightness is as high an Nvidia lightboost monitor?

Thanks, and sorry for all the novice questions.
post #1525 of 8507
I have been watching various content for the last 2 hours on this thing. I am absolutely amazed at the quality of image you get for under $1000. I have tried and returned a few projectors in the last few months, but this one just has the most amazing WOW factor and pop, and the sharpness is out of this world. Colors are great out of the box (I just changed to cinema and put the pj into Smarteco mode) I can honestly say, that since I have sold my calibrated 60" Panasonic 3D Plasma, this is the first time I am not missing it.

here's a few pics of some random hdtv content. Projected onto a cheap $200 Mustang 106" screen:



post #1526 of 8507
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Originally Posted by JackB View Post

I have two pair of the MonsterVision Max 3D glasses that I bought for my RS40 but haven't used them because of not wanting to challenge the bulb on the JVC. Will these glasses work on the W1070?

The Benq 1070 requires 144Kz DLP Link on-DlLP glasses such as MonsterVision or even non 144K DLP glasses will not work with Blu-Ray Frame Packing format.
Several brands of glasses will work.

1. The new Benq glasses (Expensive)
2. The SanSonic 144K glasses about $25 each (Be sure you use the 144K versions) (Inexpensive about $25.00) rechargeable
3. The new True Depth glasses.
4. OKBA inexpensive DLP glasses (Even though the specs state 120K) I have tried them. (Inexpensive less than $25.00) rechargeable
5. Active 3D DLP glasses will not work with the current models (New ones are coming soon that support 144K) I tried a pair and they seem the most comfortable. Looking forward to trying the new ones.

I hope this helps to clear things up since it seems some users are having difficulty with 3D without the 144k DLP glasses required.
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post #1528 of 8507
ok...i'll stop posting pics now...just really excited with this beast. These shots were taken with my samsung galaxy S3. Image is a lot better in person.




Edited by Singh007 - 1/24/13 at 1:16am
post #1529 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Leonos View Post

I am currently in doubt between the Acer H9500BD and BenQ's W1070.
Its just for watching 2D and 3D movies occasionally, not for watching the news

Distance PJ and screen is about 9ft and screen-size is 80", so both PJ are possible.
In 2 different calculations the Acer is the brightest in this setup but I have my doubts if this is correct.
Cannot imagine that the W1070 which is praised for it's brightness loses this from the Acer.

One review states that the W1070's 3D mode is somewhat disappointing regarding to depth and pop-outs.
In this review the Acer's 3D is 'WOW' and awarded.

In the Acer's review on AVS there seems to be hardware or software issues sometimes, but maybe all new beamers have those.

Some pros and cons.

H9500BD:
Pros:
- both vertical and horizontal lens-shift
- more zoom possible
- (maybe) better 3D
- compatible with more DLP link glasses
- Acer's glasses are good looking and light weighted
- Better better blacks and color

Cons:
- reported hardware / software issues
- brightness is reported as weak, especially in 3D mode (don't know if thats an issue on close range projection)
- short bulb life

W1070:
Pros:
- Great brightness
- No hardware / software issues reported
- nice and small thingy
- long bulb life

Cos:
- 'maybe' bad 3D depth/popout (due to the short-throw ?)
- no horizontal lens-shift
- vertical lens-shift limited
- heavy, ugly and expensive 3D glasses
- glasses not compatible with most DLP link glasses
- leaks light.
- noisy
- hidden bugs yet to be reported ?

So who can give me some advice here ?
Is 3D really that bad on the BenQ projector and is the Acer really that unreliable with software and hardware ?

W1070 do not flatten the 3D or enhance it. However screen size, viewing distance and viewing environment affect this. With movies you can not counter this but games this is possible. When i went from about 60 screen to 77" with my acer H5360 and viewing environment changed from uncontrolled ambient light to bat cave 3D was way less then old setup with same projector. For first it was a bit let down especially pop out felt like completely gone for movies but it's there still. Games i can change pop out and depth with W1070 but not without "hack" that tells nvidia driver that my screen is smaller then it is. Smaller the screen more depth is allowed with nvidia 3D, you can overdo depth this way and get your eyes hurt quite badly. Depth/pop out is 100% same as H5360 in same environment.
post #1530 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

here's a few pics of some random hdtv content. Projected onto a cheap $200 Mustang 106" screen:



Man!!! I'm usually not excited about screenshots but this, sir, is amazing. How's blacks on dark scenes? Is it satisfactory after 60" Panasonic plasma?
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