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post #1591 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

I can get it to where i want it, but it takes trial and error. When I focus sharp, and the zoom goes out as a result, i readjust the zoom, and now the focus is out of place.
I played with zoom and focus a bit before it settled just where I wanted it. It wasn't too hard to get it right . . . it seems yours is likely problematic.

Ian
post #1592 of 4968
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

[quote name="Amgclk65" I'm stuck on what projector to get. I'm throwing up the idea of getting a epson 5010 from avs for 1999$
Vs the benq w1070 for 899$. I figured I could apply the 600$ to getting a better quality projector in the epson 5010. I don't plan to buy another projector for another 6 yr or so. I had the optoma for 6years. I figured I might as well pay a little extra for a better projector. I use my ht setup for Sunday football with some lighting in the room and the late night moving watching with the family as well. At night it's pretty dark. So my question would be should I spend the extra money and get the 5010 over the benq ? Or the benq is pretty close to the 5010 in blacks and lumens ..

I posted some comments today about my impressions of the new W1070 vs. my Epson 5010. I played with a demo W1070 for several hrs. last night, and I now have one on order. It should arrive early next week. If I had to part with one of the two projectors, I would definitely keep the W1070 over the 5010. The blacks of the BenQ don't get as deep . . . BUT . . . the picture from the BenQ to my eye is in every other way superior. The BenQ has all the sharpness you should expect from a good 1080p projector - to me the Epson just does not. If you have some lighting on in the room for football (and that's how you usually watch a projector) I bet the BenQ would blow you away . . . with any lights on the blacks are going to suffer - doesn't matter if you own a $10,000.00 projector or the little BenQ. If, however, you are watching in a dark home theater, and you are a stickler for the blackest blacks - then I'd go with a projector with deep blacks. But I don't think that the Epson 5010 is as ground-breaking as the BenQ. If you pay $1,000.00 more for the 5010, I truly don't think that there is $1,000.00 more you'll see on the screen. To me, it's the opposite. Other than looking carefully at the black level performance, if someone set up both projectors to do an A / B comparison - I KNOW I would pick the BenQ as the more expensive unit (even though it isn't). The picture coming from the W1070 looks more refined to my eye.

I never thought that bright, good-looking 1080p projectors, offering 3D performance, would come down to a price point that cost less than many mid-sized LED or plasma TV's. Amazing.

Since I have both units, I can only say, from seeing them in my home, what I would do . . . I would prefer to watch using the BenQ over the 5010! It's that good. I'd keep the grand left over by getting the W1070 for more replacement lamps - this way I get to watch more on the big screen!

Ian[/quote]
Thanks so much for the responding to my post. Your input has determine that I'll go with benq. For the price is seems to be a awesome projector.
Thanks again.
post #1593 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

Got mine in today from AMZ CA. It was very nicely packed. In-case any of you were wondering whats inside the box I took some pics.







I am however wondering about the firmware edition.... Mine says "version 00- 101"... does that mean I got firmware version 1.01? rolleyes.gifmad.gif



I wont get a chance to set this puppy up until the weekend so cant really comment on anything else but boy am I excited to get my first projector! smile.gif

I just received mine today. I have not opened the box yet. I got the same version as yours "version 00- 101" Nov 2012. Does the unit itself had the old firmware or was it upgraded? I will prolly open mine when all the hardwares arrived.
post #1594 of 4968
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Originally Posted by dougri View Post

Increasing the throw distance reduces internal reflections in the projector optics... some believe a contrast improvement is also gained by limiting the projected light to the center (sweet spot) of the lens as well (makes sense from a lens MTF perspective), which is why contrast improves when a static iris is closed down as well. Not the same thing as just cutting the brightness with a filter.

Is this a substantial argument against the W1080ST (which would work a lot better for me)?
post #1595 of 4968
putting together my jamestown 130" screen as we speak, was using an 80" brought home from work, cant wait to see the difference!!!

Anyone get reports back comparing the TruDepth, BenQ D3 and Saisonics yet? Like to hear about the red flash difference and brightness.
post #1596 of 4968
Just a quick update.

Ordered my W1070 from Projector People 4 hours ago and I just got a shipping confirmation. Lightning fast service.

Todd
post #1597 of 4968
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Originally Posted by accordex View Post

Just received mine from benq. Ordered via visual apex... It says mfr. Date Dec 2012...rev. 102.... Wtf...should I ask for a new one?

That is not the firmware version. It could be a hardware revision on the box. The Dec production is the latest. Check your firmware version when you turn it on the latest is 1.04
Edited by rwestley - 1/24/13 at 2:28pm
post #1598 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Nightingale View Post

Is this a substantial argument against the W1080ST (which would work a lot better for me)?

It is very possible the w1080st does not have as high native on/off contrast and is not quite as sharp, but without an A/B it is all guessing. If it were me, I'd go with the 1070 just to feel safer, but if I had to I'd consider the 1080st if the 1070 absolutely would not fit in my room. If you are even considering the 1070, then it sounds like it does fit, so I don't know why you bother considering the other.

For a static IRIS to improve contrast, it has to be MFR'd on a certain part to reduce light scatter, hence not all static apertures increase contrast. There are static apertures that only affect brightness, and there are dual apertures that affect brightness and contrast. For instance, on the Benq w7000 it should not really increase contrast if I close the IRIS because this IRIS is after the light path point and is only clamping brightness, hence not reducing light scatter in the lens itself. I am going to do some further IRIS testing today on the Benq just to see.

The lens definitely makes a difference on contrast, but so do throw ratios and a lot of other factors, and even the way they designed lens shift. The reason the Benq w7000 for instance is one of a VERY few DLP's that has center-based lens shift is because Benq violated some TI best practice design rules for getting maximum native on/off contrast from a DLP, which is that the lens shift should not be center based, and the light path should be configured a certain way. That is why other MFR's do not do what Benq did, and the Benq w6000/w7000 has taken a hit in Native On/off due to this.

As far as sharpness goes, well it is mentioned in TI DLP whitepapers that the DEFAULT minimum throw ratio a projector can do does affect it, generally shorter throw projectors are not as sharp (according to TI whitepaper best DLP design practices), but then again the MFR's have come a ways in their trickery and learned new methods of design in the budget segment, so this is one reason I would love to test the sharpness of the w1070 vs. the w7000 (just to see if there is any inkling of a difference). I have no idea if there is or not, but on the other hand, the 1080st might take a sharpness hit for sure being that short of a throw. Perhaps Benq was able to design the throw on the w1070 just long enough at the minimum range to preserve 99.9% of the sharpness (again no idea), but from what most of you have said is that the Benq is really very sharp, so I tend to believe it is close or the same as the w7000 (at least for the 1070 until we find otherwise, for the w1080st sounds a bit "iffy" if it as sharp, but it is possible for sure).

The issue is this, the manufacturers have not been putting R&D into high-end DLP's since TI stopped helping and essentially shut-off their DLP R&D, but the manufacturers are still doing some R&D on the budget segment and related to 3D and what not on how to squeeze out trickery in the budget DLP's to make them better. That is why the largest improvement on DLP's is coming in the sub-$1000 to $2500 segment at the moment, the MFR's are trying to take advantage that it does better 3D than LCOS and LCD and also considering ways of improving 2D in the budget segments. Perhaps the w1070 is one of many that will come in the future that is doing this, improved 2D + great 3D at a ridiculously cheap price.
Edited by coderguy - 1/24/13 at 2:48pm
post #1599 of 4968
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

...snip...
For a static IRIS to improve contrast, it has to be MFR'd on a certain part to reduce light scatter, hence not all static apertures increase contrast. There are static apertures that only affect brightness, and there are dual apertures that affect brightness and contrast. For instance, on the Benq w7000 it should not really increase contrast if I close the IRIS because this IRIS is after the light path point and is only clamping brightness, hence not reducing light scatter in the lens itself. I am going to do some further IRIS testing today on the Benq just to see.
...snip...
The issue is this, the manufacturers have not been putting R&D into high-end DLP's since TI stopped helping and essentially shut-off their DLP R&D, but the manufacturers are still doing some R&D on the budget segment and related to 3D and what not on how to squeeze out trickery in the budget DLP's to make them better. That is why the largest improvement on DLP's is coming in the sub-$1000 to $2500 segment at the moment, the MFR's are trying to take advantage that it does better 3D than LCOS and LCD and also considering ways of improving 2D in the budget segments. Perhaps the w1070 is one of many that will come in the future that is doing this, improved 2D + great 3D at a ridiculously cheap price.


Looking forward to your CR measurements.
I'm not familiar with the W7000 internals... the iris does not increase the distance between the on/off pupils? too bad.

I think the entry 1080p 3D DLPs are ideal for 3D fans looking for the next step from their 55 inch 3D LCD... not even necessarily those looking for an ideal image, but those looking for more immersion. For many (most) of those people, I'd suspect a living room environment where brightness is much more important than black levels makes PJs like the w1070 not only a good budget choice, but maybe the best choice given typical placement (coffee table) and inflexibility with room improvements (WAF). Even if LCoS and 3LCD completely eliminate ghosting and flicker, for the living room environment they'd have to compete with these ridiculously cheap DLPs... of course, salesmen will be able to convince some that the 3-gazillion:1 contrast would lead to a better picture in their sunroom. But if 3D is here to stay, I think DLP PJs are hard to beat for the living room... and they provide a no-nonsense upgrade path in 'disposable' electronics that retailers love (lamp->LED->laser) wink.gif
post #1600 of 4968
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

. Perhaps the w1070 is one of many that will come in the future that is doing this, improved 2D + great 3D at a ridiculously cheap price
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Sounds like Christmas every day for the budget minded video enthusiasts.....

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post #1601 of 4968
Don't know if this has been mentioned... w1070 now listed for preorder on the Fry's Electronics site... $999... would love to see this for a few hundred less in a weekly ad in time for March Madness biggrin.gif

edit: the w1080st is on there as well for $100 more
Edited by dougri - 1/24/13 at 4:12pm
post #1602 of 4968
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post


A 46mm filter should fit nicely, thanks again! Looking forward to your other replies then cool.gif

So anyone purchased a ND filter to use on this projector yet? Any links to recommended ones?
post #1603 of 4968
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Originally Posted by dougri View Post

Don't know if this has been mentioned... w1070 now listed for preorder on the Fry's Electronics site... $999... would love to see this for a few hundred less in a weekly ad in time for March Madness biggrin.gif

edit: the w1080st is on there as well for $100 more


BB and Amazon better hurry and stock up these things already.
post #1604 of 4968
I couldn't agree more! Buying TOMORROW!
post #1605 of 4968
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

I played with zoom and focus a bit before it settled just where I wanted it. It wasn't too hard to get it right . . . it seems yours is likely problematic.

Ian

Looks like I do have a problem with mine. I called Benq and they said that it's not normal. Can anyone else confirm this: when you use the zoom to perfectly fill your screen, and then proceed to focus the picture, does the image zoom in or out as a result of focusing?

The only thing I can think of is that it's the lens shift causing this issue (i have it cranked all the way to the top). Can anyone please confirm that their zoom is unaffected by the focus ring?
post #1606 of 4968
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Originally Posted by safe bobo View Post

So anyone purchased a ND filter to use on this projector yet? Any links to recommended ones?

Also would like a link to a good nd2 filter that fits this
EDIT: First post! Buying the w1070 because it sounds like an excellent value, especially for a first PJ. Hello all smile.gif
post #1607 of 4968
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

It is very possible the w1080st does not have as high native on/off contrast and is not quite as sharp, but without an A/B it is all guessing. If it were me, I'd go with the 1070 just to feel safer, but if I had to I'd consider the 1080st if the 1070 absolutely would not fit in my room. If you are even considering the 1070, then it sounds like it does fit, so I don't know why you bother considering the other.

For a static IRIS to improve contrast, it has to be MFR'd on a certain part to reduce light scatter, hence not all static apertures increase contrast. There are static apertures that only affect brightness, and there are dual apertures that affect brightness and contrast. For instance, on the Benq w7000 it should not really increase contrast if I close the IRIS because this IRIS is after the light path point and is only clamping brightness, hence not reducing light scatter in the lens itself. I am going to do some further IRIS testing today on the Benq just to see.

The lens definitely makes a difference on contrast, but so do throw ratios and a lot of other factors, and even the way they designed lens shift. The reason the Benq w7000 for instance is one of a VERY few DLP's that has center-based lens shift is because Benq violated some TI best practice design rules for getting maximum native on/off contrast from a DLP, which is that the lens shift should not be center based, and the light path should be configured a certain way. That is why other MFR's do not do what Benq did, and the Benq w6000/w7000 has taken a hit in Native On/off due to this.

As far as sharpness goes, well it is mentioned in TI DLP whitepapers that the DEFAULT minimum throw ratio a projector can do does affect it, generally shorter throw projectors are not as sharp (according to TI whitepaper best DLP design practices), but then again the MFR's have come a ways in their trickery and learned new methods of design in the budget segment, so this is one reason I would love to test the sharpness of the w1070 vs. the w7000 (just to see if there is any inkling of a difference). I have no idea if there is or not, but on the other hand, the 1080st might take a sharpness hit for sure being that short of a throw. Perhaps Benq was able to design the throw on the w1070 just long enough at the minimum range to preserve 99.9% of the sharpness (again no idea), but from what most of you have said is that the Benq is really very sharp, so I tend to believe it is close or the same as the w7000 (at least for the 1070 until we find otherwise, for the w1080st sounds a bit "iffy" if it as sharp, but it is possible for sure).

The issue is this, the manufacturers have not been putting R&D into high-end DLP's since TI stopped helping and essentially shut-off their DLP R&D, but the manufacturers are still doing some R&D on the budget segment and related to 3D and what not on how to squeeze out trickery in the budget DLP's to make them better. That is why the largest improvement on DLP's is coming in the sub-$1000 to $2500 segment at the moment, the MFR's are trying to take advantage that it does better 3D than LCOS and LCD and also considering ways of improving 2D in the budget segments. Perhaps the w1070 is one of many that will come in the future that is doing this, improved 2D + great 3D at a ridiculously cheap price.

Wow, thanks for the detailed answer. I have a viewing room where I want to go bigger from my Marantz VP4001 (1.15:1 zoom) which sits on a sliding table and going bigger with the W1070 will essentially put the projector in my lap, hence my keen interest in the W1080ST....but at what picture cost????
post #1608 of 4968
Couple basic questions if anyone knows. Im new to the world of projectors and would like to replace my 46" 3DTV, which i use as my big screen computer monitor from 1 meter away, with a decent projector viewed from 1.5 meters away.

1. Is the SBS or 720p image a scaled one, or is it pure 720 or 960x1080?

2. Do projectors have pixelation or is it different? Would sitting 1.5 meters away from an 80" sized screen look terrible?

3. Is the input lag in 3D ok?

4. Anyone know if the brightness is as high an Nvidia lightboost monitor?
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Can anyone confirm that the w1070 will not play a 1080p SBS mkv file?
post #1610 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Mustang84 View Post

This makes me convinced that the Benq W1070 uses indeed triple-flash when viewing 1024p24Hz content (Blu-Rays), which is quite spectacular at this price point.

indeed smile.gif
and 144Hz shutter frequence is now confirmed by measurement : http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&back=1&sort=lpost&forum_id=94&thread=12583
post #1611 of 4968
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Originally Posted by JoeBoy73 View Post

Not sure if you covered this earlier...how is your PJ placed celing or shelf? If ceiling, did use a extension pole? My setup is going to be tricky....I have 9ft ceilings and the top of my screen is 18" from the ceiling. The benq calculator said i'm going to need to drop the pole 12" from the celing. Just trying to avoid hot spotting this time (current pj viewsonic 8200 no lens shift) around..

I am also coming from a VS pro8200! I returned that because the dark scenes in movies were basically unwatchable. No details in dark areas. I was watching Dark Knight and I couldn't even see some of the people on the screen! I then got a Mits hc4000. Great projector , but wasn't bright enough for me. The w1070 is great image-wise, but I agree that mounting it is not as friendly as the pro8200 or hc4000. Its gonna need to dropped alot lower than your pro8200. Oh well...i'll take image quality over flexible mounting any day. I currently have mine on the coffee table until i buy a mount.
post #1612 of 4968
How does HC4000 compare to W1070 in 2D? Both should be the top at this price point
post #1613 of 4968
My 1070 when the shift is all the way to the top causes the zoom to move while focusing. I really do not care.
post #1614 of 4968
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

How does HC4000 compare to W1070 in 2D? Both should be the top at this price point

From my initial impressions.. I like the W1070 image better. It's sharper and has nice colors. Don't get me wrong, the hc4000 is a great pj... But there is just something about the W1070 that makes it really pop, and it's bright too. Great colors
post #1615 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

From my initial impressions.. I like the W1070 image better. It's sharper and has nice colors. Don't get me wrong, the hc4000 is a great pj... But there is just something about the W1070 that makes it really pop, and it's bright too. Great colors

How would you rate black levels between the two?
post #1616 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

From my initial impressions.. I like the W1070 image better. It's sharper and has nice colors. Don't get me wrong, the hc4000 is a great pj... But there is just something about the W1070 that makes it really pop, and it's bright too. Great colors

How would you rate black levels between the two?
post #1617 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

I am also coming from a VS pro8200! I returned that because the dark scenes in movies were basically unwatchable. No details in dark areas. I was watching Dark Knight and I couldn't even see some of the people on the screen! I then got a Mits hc4000. Great projector , but wasn't bright enough for me. The w1070 is great image-wise, but I agree that mounting it is not as friendly as the pro8200 or hc4000. Its gonna need to dropped alot lower than your pro8200. Oh well...i'll take image quality over flexible mounting any day. I currently have mine on the coffee table until i buy a mount.
LOL..small world. So, what do you think about the shadow detail difference between the two? That was my only criticism of the pro8200, otherwise it was a great little PJ...
post #1618 of 4968
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Originally Posted by e8dingo View Post

Can anyone confirm that the w1070 will not play a 1080p SBS mkv file?

I'm starting to wonder as well... Its here sitting on the table but I have a ton of stuff to do preparing the room...could someone weigh in on this? Is this even a HDMI 1.4 PJ? My optoma 750 would play them no problem ...720p of course.. but it did work...keeping my fingers crossed this will
post #1619 of 4968
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Originally Posted by Nimoy View Post

How would you rate black levels between the two?

To be honest, the colors and the sharpness and the rich image is so good that I didn't even assess the black levels. From the reviews, it seems the blacks may be better on the hc4000 because it was praised for its black levels, whereas the Benq was called "average", but to me, I can't tell the difference at this point. But again, I've only spent about 3 hours with it.
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Originally Posted by JoeBoy73 View Post

LOL..small world. So, what do you think about the shadow detail difference between the two? That was my only criticism of the pro8200, otherwise it was a great little PJ...

I need to go back and view similar content to make an accurate comparison, but from the few minutes of some random, dark, nighttime movies that I saw,the details were excellent. At no point was i thinking "It's too dark" " or I can't see the details". With the pro8200 I couldn't make out so many details in dark scenes. Basically, watching dark movies looked totally normal, like it would in a theater
post #1620 of 4968
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Originally Posted by accordex View Post

I'm starting to wonder as well... Its here sitting on the table but I have a ton of stuff to do preparing the room...could someone weigh in on this? Is this even a HDMI 1.4 PJ? My optoma 750 would play them no problem ...720p of course.. but it did work...keeping my fingers crossed this will

It is HDMI 1.4a, but 1080p SBS is not supported at any frequency per the manual. It will do 1080 50i SBS and 1080 60i SBS. It will also do 1080P 24hz Top Bottom and Frame Packing. Here is a link to the manual that has all supported input signals, starting page 56. ftp://downloads.benq.net/user_manuals/projectors/english/projector_um_user_manual_20120830_133334w1070_w1080st_en.pdf
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