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post #2011 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Frisbee23 View Post

So I thought I would share a photo of the project I've been working on for the last week thanks to a lot of great information in this forum. I have since remounted my projector to get it horizontaly centered on the screen and even with the test pattern all squared up on the screen I still have the bottom left a bit out of focus. It's not really notisible during regular viewing and the center to top of the screen is very sharp so I consider it a non issue.



Awesome setup.
Sorry if u stated already, but what screen and size are u using?
post #2012 of 8488
Seriously considering this projector, as I have been since reading Art's review. Only thing holding me back is the impending Acer H6510BD, which seems similar in all respects, except that it is 3000 Lumens (though I won't know how many calibrated Lumens there are until a review which could be a long ways off).

The projector is going to be my primary display. Have a 60" Panny plasma in my living room now that I will move to the bedroom. I'm not too concerned about daytime viewing, as crazy as that sounds, as I always have the shades down during the day, which are opaque and dark brown. My main concern is night time viewing of HDTV and Gaming. For movies, I watch in complete darkness, but my wife, who already is skeptical about having a PJ lol, asking her to watch anything and everything in complete darkness would make it a much tougher sell, and would require me to override her, which you only get so many of those lol.

My question is, is this projector bright enough in a calibrated mode (I know Art said it measured at 1700 Lumens calibrated) to watch, and by watch I mean watch it with an image that would be acceptable to someone not sold on a PJ in the first place, with one overhead light on in the middle of the living room (60 watt bulb)?

Living room has grey walls, light grey ceiling, dark brown moulding, and brown hardwood floors, (Black couches if that makes a difference).

If the answer is no, I still might get this PJ. There is a foyer adjacent to the living room that I could always turn the light on there and leave the one in the living room out if need be. Will still be a hard sell, but it's workable.

One other question, how long is the power cord on the unit, as I will have to ceiling mount it and run it to an outlet to either the front or back of the room, as well as the HDMI? Any one know of any cable hiding solutions for the ceiling as it isn't a drop and I can't run them through it?

Thanks a lot.
post #2013 of 8488
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Originally Posted by nappers View Post

Which brand/model 3d glasses did you get and where did you purchase them from?

I was thinking about painting my wall as well instead of a screen, which costs quite a bit. I was looking at 125" screen for $195, but paint would be cheaper! But then I have lots of nicks, etc, in the wall...ugh.

Thanks!

I am using a pair of SainSonic glasses recommended here from eBay (US supplier). though i need to buy more pairs, i was waiting to see which are the very best and getting a mixture of glasses.
right now i am projecting on a off white wall for kicks. but going to be finishing my man cave soon which has a massive wall. thats what i am looking to paint with a throw of 13-14 feet.
post #2014 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Amgclk65 View Post

Maybe it was a bad picture for the w7000. Also maybe my eyes are little off.
I think the w7000 is getting me by being a bit brighter.
I'm using a elite cinegray screen. Which I'm about to switch to elite cinewhite.
But all in all ill be returning the w7000. Doesn't seem to be worth an extra
1k.


They're both rated the same brightness, although I know what they're rated and what they actually are can be two different things. Art also measured the W1070 a tad bit brighter calibrated for what it's worth, but again, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your units.

Either way, I'm sure it's just the pic, though the W7000 is using the older DC2, but then again it has a DI, so, again, probably just the pic.

I think the DI and the fact that prices have come down in the last couple years is the main thing that separates them in their pricing. I'd guess that performance wouldn't justify the price difference between them. Having said that, if they were to announce a W8000 with a DC3, DI, and higher lumen output (2400 - 3000) for $1000 more, I'd be all over it, provided that it fit my room, which the W7000 does not.
post #2015 of 8488
Sorry if this has already been said but Amazon has the W1070 in stock for Prime shipping at $899 now!

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-Theater-Projector-Silver/dp/B00A2T6X0K/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
post #2016 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

They're both rated the same brightness, although I know what they're rated and what they actually are can be two different things. Art also measured the W1070 a tad bit brighter calibrated for what it's worth, but again, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your units.

Either way, I'm sure it's just the pic, though the W7000 is using the older DC2, but then again it has a DI, so, again, probably just the pic.

I think the DI and the fact that prices have come down in the last couple years is the main thing that separates them in their pricing. I'd guess that performance wouldn't justify the price difference between them. Having said that, if they were to announce a W8000 with a DC3, DI, and higher lumen output (2400 - 3000) for $1000 more, I'd be all over it, provided that it fit my room, which the W7000 does not.[/quote

Nice sum up.
I did read the art review. Know granted both are out of the boxes pictures.
But I noticed right away that the w7000 is a little bit brighter.
Like I said that's my eyes only. No lumen measuring tools.
I'll be keeping the w1070. Coming from a hd70 I'm happy.
Frisbee23 screen shots look awesome. Maybe I need to calibrate the w1070.
Will the Disney disc from VA work?
post #2017 of 8488
Anyone seen measurements on 3D lumen output? Those of you upgrading from the 720p 3D units like Acer 5360 and Optomo GT750 can you compare the 3D brightness/quality?
post #2018 of 8488
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Originally Posted by JoeBoy73 View Post

I agree...I have a 150" elite screen and I'm sitting about 15 feet back and love it! Definitely get the biggest screen your room can fit and you can afford.

Do you find 3d to be bright enough on that large of a screen, and what gain is your screen material?
post #2019 of 8488
I have a favor to ask, can anyone who has this projector take a picture of the power cable? or block or however it is? I want to know if I can replace the part of the power cable that plugs into the back of the projector with one that has a 90degree bend right at the head so the cable go straight down or up from the projector.
Edited by Daniel Chaves - 2/5/13 at 1:30pm
post #2020 of 8488
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Originally Posted by maintman View Post

Do you find 3d to be bright enough on that large of a screen, and what gain is your screen material?
That's the great mystery...I don't have the 3D glasses yet and PS3 is not recognizing my PJ as 3D device. I'm planning to work on this tonight. My screen material is just 1.1 cinewhite gain. Elite recommends any PJ with a 2500:1 CR and up to use their cinewhite material. LOL...my screen cost more than my PJ:p
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post #2022 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Those shots look amazing.

Always hard to tell from screenshots, but the blacks in the image at least look like they are as black in the letterbox bars. Not bad.

Well the blacks are definitely a dark grey and not on par with the 50" Panasonic VT25 that used to be on the wall and not as good as the pictures make it seem. The black performance of this projector is not it's strong suit but knew this was where the tradeoff was going to be unless I wanted to spend multiple times what the W1070 costs. I've been very happy with the quality of the picture on everything I've watched but in very dark scenes it's more grey then the pictures lead you to believe.
post #2023 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Amgclk65 View Post

Awesome setup.
Sorry if u stated already, but what screen and size are u using?

I went with a 106" Elunevision Elara II screen with 1.4 gain
post #2024 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Frisbee23 View Post

I went with a 106" Elunevision Elara II screen with 1.4 gain
Yes, you're setup is awesome! Wow...1.4 gain? Any hot spotting? I have a little bit...and I'm thinking to RMA my screen material to elite, I've seen it on both of the PJs i've owned....so it's gotta be the screen.
post #2025 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Amgclk65 View Post

Nice sum up.
I did read the art review. Know granted both are out of the boxes pictures.
But I noticed right away that the w7000 is a little bit brighter.
Like I said that's my eyes only. No lumen measuring tools.
I'll be keeping the w1070. Coming from a hd70 I'm happy.
Frisbee23 screen shots look awesome. Maybe I need to calibrate the w1070.
Will the Disney disc from VA work?

The disc will work fine for setting the Contrast and Brightness (White level and Black Level) but for a "real" calibration of the grayscale and primaries you'd nee a colorimeter.
post #2026 of 8488
I just bought a ps3 for 1080p netflix. (upgraded from apple tv 720p).For some reason the apple tv had more pop and seemed sharper, even though there's less resolution. Not sure why. Any ideas?
post #2027 of 8488
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Originally Posted by JoeBoy73 View Post

Yes, you're setup is awesome! Wow...1.4 gain? Any hot spotting? I have a little bit...and I'm thinking to RMA my screen material to elite, I've seen it on both of the PJs i've owned....so it's gotta be the screen.

I haven't noticed any hot spotting but you can notice a texture on bright parts of the image if you look for it. I think if buying again I'd give the Elunevision elite 4k screen a try.
post #2028 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Frisbee23 View Post

Well the blacks are definitely a dark grey and not on par with the 50" Panasonic VT25 that used to be on the wall and not as good as the pictures make it seem. The black performance of this projector is not it's strong suit but knew this was where the tradeoff was going to be unless I wanted to spend multiple times what the W1070 costs. I've been very happy with the quality of the picture on everything I've watched but in very dark scenes it's more grey then the pictures lead you to believe.

As long as they are on par with LCD blacks, which aren't black at all, I can live with it. Strange to hear myself say that as I have stayed away from LCD and always chosen plasma for that very reason, but I understand the limitations of both technologies. I'm also not able to afford a 106" plasma TV, so I'm ok with some concessions to get my 106" screen for this low of a cost.

Do you ever watch this pj with any lights on, and if so, how good or bad is the image?
post #2029 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

As long as they are on par with LCD blacks, which aren't black at all, I can live with it. Strange to hear myself say that as I have stayed away from LCD and always chosen plasma for that very reason, but I understand the limitations of both technologies. I'm also not able to afford a 106" plasma TV, so I'm ok with some concessions to get my 106" screen for this low of a cost.

Do you ever watch this pj with any lights on, and if so, how good or bad is the image?

I would say they are on par with LCD blacks and better than some lcd tv's I've seen. I mostly have watched it with the lights off as the contrast takes a hit when lights are on. I installed a dimmer switch for the 4 potlights in the room and if I unscrew the two front bulbs a bit and turn the dimmer half way up the image still looks very watchable and would be good for a football game or something where you have company over. Considering I paid less for this projector, mount, screen and cable then I spent on my 50" plasma I can tell you the movie experience with the projector and large screen is way better than the better blacks you get on the smaller plasma. Lets just say it would be hard to go back. smile.gif
post #2030 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

I just bought a ps3 for 1080p netflix. (upgraded from apple tv 720p).For some reason the apple tv had more pop and seemed sharper, even though there's less resolution. Not sure why. Any ideas?

Hard to say without being in the room, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say maybe your internet connection? Are you using it wirelessly?

Reason being that the connection determines the quality to an extent. They want to deliver the best PQ possible without interruption to playback, so if there is an issue with the speed, it will dial back the PQ in exchange for no buffering.

Again, just a guess.
post #2031 of 8488
I highly recommend looking into the Da-lite High Power screen. The gain is 2.4 maximum. I have the older 2.8 version. You can read more about it in the "screens" section. Basically you get good gain without side effects.
post #2032 of 8488
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I highly recommend looking into the Da-lite High Power screen. The gain is 2.4 maximum. I have the older 2.8 version. You can read more about it in the "screens" section. Basically you get good gain without side effects.

No an option for this projector I don't think, as you can't position it in the middle of the screen.
post #2033 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Singh007 View Post

I just bought a ps3 for 1080p netflix. (upgraded from apple tv 720p).For some reason the apple tv had more pop and seemed sharper, even though there's less resolution. Not sure why. Any ideas?
You might want to check your RGB settings on your playstation..but wait, you had the pro8200 right? Your RGB settings are probably already set it., but I would double check.
post #2034 of 8488
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

No an option for this projector I don't think, as you can't position it in the middle of the screen.

You will get about 1.6 gain with the postiioning of this projector with the Da-Lite HP screen, maybe 1.7 (1.5 at lowest).
It is actually pretty good, and is the same position I have my JVC mounted at. Most of us with HP screens don't actually have our projector's center mounted for MAX GAIN, because we'd have to put them between the seating to do so or not clear our heads.

If you low-table mount the w1070 in front of you just below the screen in the optimal position, you can actually get 1.8+ to possibly 2.0 gain out of the HP screen, ceiling mounting with most people's sitting heights as noted 1.5 to 1.7.
post #2035 of 8488
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

You will get about 1.6 gain with the postiioning of this projector with the Da-Lite HP screen, maybe 1.7 (1.5 at lowest).
It is actually pretty good, and is the same position I have my JVC mounted at. Most of us with HP screens don't actually have our projector's center mounted for MAX GAIN, because we'd have to put them between the seating to do so or not clear our heads.

If you low-table mount the w1070 in front of you just below the screen in the optimal position, you can actually get 1.8+ to possibly 2.0 gain out of the HP screen, ceiling mounting with most people's sitting heights as noted 1.5 to 1.7.


I thought the gain dropped dramatically as you moved off center on these screens from what I read. Like to the point where it wasn't worth it. Think that was the 2.8 gain version though. Has it changed that much on the newer ones?
post #2036 of 8488
It drops off less dramatically on the 2.4, yah. The 2.8 starts higher though (2.8 is nearly 3.0 gain). 2.8's no longer available, so 2.4 is what we are talking about usually.

This screen works fine with this projector, it is still better for the money than any other screen I've seen if you know where to buy HP screens cheap, and you can get them pretty cheap. Some people claim I say HP screen is the best screen, nope never said that, best for the money -- yes definitely (at least for what I paid). And it is the best screen for 3D in general. It also increases ANSI and intrascene contrast for most peoples' rooms.
post #2037 of 8488
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I highly recommend looking into the Da-lite High Power screen. The gain is 2.4 maximum. I have the older 2.8 version. You can read more about it in the "screens" section. Basically you get good gain without side effects.


With a gain that high, aren't you more likely to get hotspotting?
post #2038 of 8488
The HP has ZERO hotspotting, but yes many / most other screens above 1.4 gain do have some hotspotting, but not the HP.
post #2039 of 8488
Really,

People need to stop complaining about the the BLACK level of this projector.

This is a 1080p, 3D PJ with DC3 chip for $899. Yes, $899.

If you want blacks like a plasma or a JVC, please pay 5x more and you'll get it.

I still love watching TVs on my Pannie plasma 50". But you just can't beat movies or games on a 110" for < $1000.

No, I don't have a W1070 in my batcave yet, and it will soon be replacing my 8100 which currently resides in there.

And if you want a little improvement in the blacks, get yourself a gray screen. This PJ has more than enough lumens to shine on a gray screen.
post #2040 of 8488
Most people have their projector setup way way too bright, get an ND filter. Gray screens are ok but the side effect is as the lamp gets older you have less and less lumens to work with in 3D.
The ND filter is the best option IMO, unless someone wants a gray screen for other reasons (to preserve ANSI contrast), but then I like the HP screens for that as well.

If people are using this thing in regular fashion in 2D on anything other than some giant screen, the blacks are going to look worse than they should because you are not watching the PJ at optimal brightness. Even my JVC will do poor blacks if I crank the controls up to 50 fL (it can't do that anymore, but it could on a new lamp in torch mode on the HP screen).
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