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post #3271 of 8418
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

@JewDaddy
If you want the MOST balanced setup in existence, then you'd need to get multiple projectors (at least 2). If you wanted the most balanced + 3D, you'd probably need 3 projectors and be willing to spend a lot of money. For instance, the most balanced setup under $10,000 would probably be a Runco LS-5 used (2D Only) + JVC RS-55 used + any 3D DLP. The 3 above projectors would give you the best of all worlds for the most part...

Runco or similar DLP for HTPC and TV and bright movies, JVC for dark movies, Benq for 3D...

Good luck with that setup though, the Sony hw50es by itself won't be a match for that setup but it is the closest to sharing a balance of all the traits as a single projector solution smile.gif

None of us have actually seen all the projectors side-by-side at the same time, but Zombie comes the closest to seeing most of the middle-priced newer ones side-by-side (but he hasn't seen them all). A few of us had several of these side-by-side at one point or another to each other. Side-by-side I've seen some of the JVC's, some of the Sony's, most of the key Epsons, some Mits's, the Viewsonic Pro8200, Benq w7000, and a few others side-by-side. In showrooms many more, notably the Runco LS-5 in Dallas, Optoma hd33, RS-55, several Sony's, and others.

I have the RS-45 for dark movies, Benq w7000 for TV, a few movies, and for 3D. I also still have the Pro8200 in another room. I miss e-shift slightly after seeing it, but not enough to pay double of what I paid for my RS-45. The black levels on the RS-45 are good enough and I don't care much about the difference between the blacks of the RS-45 / 55 / 65. I will probably get a Runco and a B-stock Sony next year to complete my circle of projector hell...

The Benq w7000 has the best color I've seen out of all of them post-calibration (well except the Runco is possibly better), and the Sony hw50es is the best pre-calibration and one of the best post-calibration. The JVC's trail a bit behind in color even after calibrating them, but you don't notice it that much on the movies you would use a JVC for anyhow.

Thanks for the info. As of now, I'm really leaning towards the BenQ W7000. My only concern with the 7000 is that the overall 2D and 3D picture quality won't match the W1070. To be perfectly honest, I was blown away by what the W1070 has to offer but I was missing the FI that the W7000 has. I was a little disappointed to hear that the FI is not accessible when in 3D mode on the 7000 but as long as its good and works without much side effects, I can live with that. I know the Sony will be a huge improvement over both BenQ's but I don't want to spend alot on a projector right now for the simple fact that I really want 4K when its available at a lower price point in the next 2-3 years (just my own speculation).

If you can tell me that the W7000 has equal or better picture quality in both 2D and 3D, that's what I will go with and make it my projector for the next couple years. I'm not real concerned with the upcoming W1500 because I really want something now smile.gif

Can someone give me a comparison on how the black levels, brightness, motion, contrast, 3D etc.... Between the W7000 and W1070??? Are there any areas that the W1070 bests the 7000 series? Thanks again for the help!!
post #3272 of 8418
The w7000's FI works in 3D mode just fine, that's the only time I ever use FI is for 3D. I wouldn't think the difference in PQ between the w1070 and w7000 is all that great. The w1070 has higher native on/off, but the w7000 has an IRIS. The w1070 has triple flash 144hz, but the w7000 has FI in 3D to compensate (no idea which is better). The w7000 has a center-based offset for lens shift making it brighter for setup in 3D if you have a retro-reflective gain screen like the Da-Lite High Power. The w7000 is better for 3D if trying to maximize brightness, since you can get more brightness out of the HP screen, though a floor / low-table mounted w1070 can get a lot of gain out of an HP as well depending on where someone sits.
post #3273 of 8418
Question for pc gamers using this PJ. Do you have a amd or nvidia graphics card?
post #3274 of 8418
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The w7000's FI works in 3D mode just fine, that's the only time I ever use FI is for 3D. I wouldn't think the difference in PQ between the w1070 and w7000 is all that great. The w1070 has higher native on/off, but the w7000 has an IRIS. The w1070 has triple flash 144hz, but the w7000 has FI in 3D to compensate (no idea which is better). The w7000 has a center-based offset for lens shift making it brighter for setup in 3D if you have a retro-reflective gain screen like the Da-Lite High Power. The w7000 is better for 3D if trying to maximize brightness, since you can get more brightness out of the HP screen, though a floor / low-table mounted w1070 can get a lot of gain out of an HP as well depending on where someone sits.

That's awesome! I thought I had read somewhere that the FI only works in 2D mode. Does the 3D on the W7000 show any crosstalk?? There's is 0 on the W1070. Also, does the panamorphic lens work on the W7000 or do you have to buy an external device? I like the idea of being able to see widescreen movies without the black bars. Lastly, is the W7000 available in any stores or just online? Thanks again!
post #3275 of 8418
No crosstalk, the a-lens only works in 2D mode and not 3D according to this thread with the w7000:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1426249/a-lens-with-benq-w7000

w7000 is available online and at some brick stores.
post #3276 of 8418
Has anyone else noticed when the projector warms up, after a while the image wobbles a little bit, most noticable when viewing output from a PC (ie not moving, solid straight lines)?
Would putting it in high altitude mode work to cool it down (I am assuming the fan runs faster/longer to push more cool air through)?
post #3277 of 8418
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

Has anyone else noticed when the projector warms up, after a while the image wobbles a little bit, most noticable when viewing output from a PC (ie not moving, solid straight lines)?
Would putting it in high altitude mode work to cool it down (I am assuming the fan runs faster/longer to push more cool air through)?

We use a pc 100% of the time with our projector, now on our second W1070, and we haven't seen anything like what you mention.

I tested HA mode on/off with fan exhaust temp. We are around the 4K' mark. With it on the temp decreased by 30 degree F - ~165F with it off the temp wast near 200F. With HA mode on the fan sounds closer to when it is normal mode. Still not that bad.
post #3278 of 8418
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I spent several hours testing out the glasses shown below, the BQ 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen + the Optoma ZD 201's.

This is a short review. I don't know how they did it, but BQ has significantly increased the ability to stay locked onto the DLP signal. It's day / night difference vs. the ZD201's. It looks like they built in a timer of some kind because you can hold your finger over the receiver and the glasses won't lose sync for a good 5 seconds. it's like a buffer.

I did all the tests where I could easily lose sync on the ZD201's yet the BQ 3rd gen stayed locked with no issues, I had to really go out of my way to get it to lose sync. (turn head completely to the side for 10+ seconds).

Also they are very good at blocking the red flash, much better than the 1st and 2nd gen models and nearly on par with the ZD201's. My only complaint is that they are too tight. The arms that wrap around the eyes are in my opinion too angled so they dig into my head behind the ears. I think I am going to take a hairdryer and heat up the plastic to bend them out a bit. it won't take much to get them to fit right if I do this.

These are highly recommended to try out for the BQ W7000 and the 1070.

Excellent, do you have a good source for the new 3rd gen BenQ glasses?

I am interested in trying a pair.

Thank you,
Jason
post #3279 of 8418
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Any recommendation on 3D glasses that fit, comfortably, over regular glasses?

Please refer to the 'Benq W1070 144Hz Compatible DLP-LINK 3D Glasses' thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1448720/benq-w1070-144hz-compatible-dlp-link-3d-glasses

Bearing in mind that most, if not all, 3D glasses fit over regular glasses. BUT some do it better than others. From personal experiencem the cheaper Sainsonic glasses are smaller. Most ebay listings show the dimensions of the glasses and you can get a good idea from this. Id you look at my post #261 you will see examples of a cheaper brand that do fit over regular glasses.
post #3280 of 8418
Here's a video of the wobble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yksw5kvz7RA
you can see from the fixed shadow that the image wobbles... a bit like watching it reflected on water.
Currently projecting around 200" (yes its huge)
post #3281 of 8418
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Excellent, do you have a good source for the new 3rd gen BenQ glasses?

I am interested in trying a pair.

Thank you,
Jason

visual apex has them, they drop ship from BQ. I have to try and adjust the arms though, they are pinching too tight behind the ears. it's time for a little surgery with a hairdryer and some gentle persuasion.
post #3282 of 8418
That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.
post #3283 of 8418
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.

are they to tight or is it you have to big of a head =p

no I kid I kid but considering most of these products are designed by Asian companies and well Asians tend to be smaller in nature, it sorta makes sense why it would be tight for others.
post #3284 of 8418
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.

Have you tried the 3DTV corp or Truedepth glasses? I've found both of these to quite a comfortable fit, and I don't have a particularly small head (I think).
post #3285 of 8418
Yah, the TrueDepths aren't too bad, they are part of the 1% smile.gif
post #3286 of 8418
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

visual apex has them, they drop ship from BQ. I have to try and adjust the arms though, they are pinching too tight behind the ears. it's time for a little surgery with a hairdryer and some gentle persuasion.

Thanks. smile.gif

I guess I am lucky that I have a small head.

Jason
post #3287 of 8418
Jason, You may be DaGamePimp, but to this guy, you DaMan!!!

All seriousness aside;), Thanks for the response. I have to get off my duff and complete my taxes! I love my HC3000 so much that I always find reasons to talk myself out of upgrading but I really want to try 3D at home and if I am picking up additional performance (other than the outstanding (for it's day and price) black levels) over the the Mits, then I have to go all in. I'm not sure if the 1070 will fit right into my current set up or if I will need to get a bigger screen.

Although part of me likes the idea of the bigger screen, I am getting close to the point where I can not see the entire screen image at once. In my current set up the Mits is zoomed (in or out) such that it is the largest image I could project at that distance. I am hoping I can place the 1070 in the same spot and use less/ more zoom (still not sure i'm following that sidebar, as it would seem the normal use of the word has one zoom in to make something bigger and out...) such that in the same spot that the Mits currently occupies, the 1070 would not need to project it's biggest image. In fact, i'd hope that it pretty much fit spot on with its smallest image at that distance as it was my experience (limited though it may be) that the Mits picture looked better projected smaller at that distance, it just didn't fill up the screen. I imagine this would generally be true of all projectors... but I may be wrong (at least 50/50 chance, lol).biggrin.gif
post #3288 of 8418
Owners of w1070, can you tell me do you have to wait 4-5 seconds, and in that time have blank screen when you start 1080p movie through pc, any video player... and also when exiting 1080p movie... this is happening on optoma hd25 i bought 2 days ago, also not entire projected image can be in focus, specially seen on text which is blured in corner(s) or in center... i am thinking about replacing it for w1070... So please can you answer me first question, and comment on second one.... Thanks!
post #3289 of 8418
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Originally Posted by Sinistre1 View Post

Jason, You may be DaGamePimp, but to this guy, you DaMan!!!

All seriousness aside;), Thanks for the response. I have to get off my duff and complete my taxes! I love my HC3000 so much that I always find reasons to talk myself out of upgrading but I really want to try 3D at home and if I am picking up additional performance (other than the outstanding (for it's day and price) black levels) over the the Mits, then I have to go all in. I'm not sure if the 1070 will fit right into my current set up or if I will need to get a bigger screen.

Although part of me likes the idea of the bigger screen, I am getting close to the point where I can not see the entire screen image at once. In my current set up the Mits is zoomed (in or out) such that it is the largest image I could project at that distance. I am hoping I can place the 1070 in the same spot and use less/ more zoom (still not sure i'm following that sidebar, as it would seem the normal use of the word has one zoom in to make something bigger and out...) such that in the same spot that the Mits currently occupies, the 1070 would not need to project it's biggest image. In fact, i'd hope that it pretty much fit spot on with its smallest image at that distance as it was my experience (limited though it may be) that the Mits picture looked better projected smaller at that distance, it just didn't fill up the screen. I imagine this would generally be true of all projectors... but I may be wrong (at least 50/50 chance, lol).biggrin.gif

I'm using the W1070 as a display for racing and flight sims. Screen is 96" diag (max size for a vertical height of 48" on 16:9). My eyeballs are 54" from the screen and it completely fills my field of view. Using Track IR for sideways looking, it's about as good as it can get without a 3-array of 96" screens (and projectors). I do not see any SDE at this distance. I use a single n-vidia GTX 670 card, with plans to purchase the n-vidia 3D software to use this card with the W1070--just haven't done it yet. 3D Corp glasses just arrived.

Incidentally, my local Fry's has the PJ on sale for $999.
post #3290 of 8418
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Originally Posted by Ted99 View Post

Screen is 96" diag (max size for a vertical height of 48" on 16:9). My eyeballs are 54" from the screen and it completely fills my field of view. Using Track IR for sideways looking, it's about as good as it can get without a 3-array of 96" screens (and projectors). I do not see any SDE at this distance. I use a single n-vidia GTX 670 card, with plans to purchase the n-vidia 3D software to use this card with the W1070--just haven't done it yet. 3D Corp glasses just arrived.

Incidentally, my local Fry's has the PJ on sale for $999.

well thats good to know, I have a 92" installed and Im going to be just over 5ft away was worried about being that close if it wouldnt look as good.
post #3291 of 8418
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

Here's a video of the wobble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yksw5kvz7RA
you can see from the fixed shadow that the image wobbles... a bit like watching it reflected on water.
Currently projecting around 200" (yes its huge)

I haven't seen anything like that at all. Even when I'm close enough to the screen to see the grid of black lines, they are perfectly still.
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Originally Posted by sh00kre View Post

Owners of w1070, can you tell me do you have to wait 4-5 seconds, and in that time have blank screen when you start 1080p movie through pc, any video player... and also when exiting 1080p movie... this is happening on optoma hd25 i bought 2 days ago, also not entire projected image can be in focus, specially seen on text which is blured in corner(s) or in center... i am thinking about replacing it for w1070... So please can you answer me first question, and comment on second one.... Thanks!

Depends if the player is changing your graphics or not. You can tell if it is because the W1070 will display in the upper left corner the new graphics and 3D settings that it's receiving.

As for general use with a PC the player (potplayer in our case) starts instantly and is displayed instantly. No blank time at all.

Image focus:
This has been discussed throughout this thread. The vertical lens shift causes some slight blurring/chromatic distortion to the upper half of the image — the more lens shift you have the worse the blurring is, but it is slight and doesn't seem to degrade viewing, only noticeable with the test pattern. We've seen this on both W1070 units we have had. However, the second one does not have chromatic "flaring" — red flaring off the upper lines of the test pattern when vertical lens ship is as high as it can go.

Edge to edge focus has been perfect for us. However, we are currently only using an 84" display are.

hope that help.
post #3292 of 8418
Gheesus Ted!!! You can't hardly have sneezing room before you have to name your Home Theatre "The Rorschach"!!! eek.gif Just kidding, of course. I would love a screen that large in concept. In practice, it bothers me. When I arrive to a theater too late to get my usual middle of the theatre seats and I have to sit closer than 1/3 of the way up, it's usually no bueno. Twice, i was within the first 3 rows (one being the first row), oh boy!!! And not in a good way. Nice to know I have some room for growth, but it will likely be somewhere between where I am now, and half of where you are. Our screens are close to same size and I sit at least 4 ft further back!!!
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Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason
post #3294 of 8418
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason

Yes, I was wondering what was going on as well.

I am using eco mode, and at first I thought, because I was doing a lot of short burst usage, this was the reason. But we watched 2 movies over the last few days and this was about 5 hours total but the projector said usage was in excess of 12 hours. I would like to know what is going on.
post #3295 of 8418
Anyone notice this..had the same issue on my viewsonic pro8200. "Blue Flares" (Star Trek) or any similiar lighting, it seems to disort a lot. Maybe its a DLP thing? Any tips on decreasing this effect?
post #3296 of 8418
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Originally Posted by CharlesZ7 View Post

I haven't seen anything like that at all. Even when I'm close enough to the screen to see the grid of black lines, they are perfectly still.
Depends if the player is changing your graphics or not. You can tell if it is because the W1070 will display in the upper left corner the new graphics and 3D settings that it's receiving.

As for general use with a PC the player (potplayer in our case) starts instantly and is displayed instantly. No blank time at all.

Image focus:
This has been discussed throughout this thread. The vertical lens shift causes some slight blurring/chromatic distortion to the upper half of the image — the more lens shift you have the worse the blurring is, but it is slight and doesn't seem to degrade viewing, only noticeable with the test pattern. We've seen this on both W1070 units we have had. However, the second one does not have chromatic "flaring" — red flaring off the upper lines of the test pattern when vertical lens ship is as high as it can go.

Edge to edge focus has been perfect for us. However, we are currently only using an 84" display are.

hope that help.
thanks for answer! I am using pot player too, my "backup" players are KM, vlc, MPC... in all of them i got blank screen, but only when playing 1080p resolution movie.. I wonder if there is option in one of those players to passthrough this resolution or something because it is very irritating, i tried and didnt find any frown.gif
And w1070 automaticly recognises 3d content? In optoma i have to manualy choose sbs in projector menu..
post #3297 of 8418
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason

I was wondering about that. Didn't pay close enough attention to it before. On the last projector when I last checked the hours they were pretty high, about 300, and I didn't think we had used it that much. . .. hmmm.

On the new one it is saying 30hrs and it arrived on Thursday, and we haven't been using it 10hrs a day.

Will have to start keeping an eye on it.

Thanks!


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Originally Posted by sh00kre View Post

thanks for answer! I am using pot player too, my "backup" players are KM, vlc, MPC... in all of them i got blank screen, but only when playing 1080p resolution movie.. I wonder if there is option in one of those players to passthrough this resolution or something because it is very irritating, i tried and didnt find any frown.gif
And w1070 automaticly recognises 3d content? In optoma i have to manualy choose sbs in projector menu..

Most of those players have ways to auto-change your graphics' resolution.

In PotPlayer: settings -> Playback - under "full screen settings" check the setting of "resolution"
Should be set to "current resolution" if you don't want to auto-change your resolution.

Also, make sure your computer's graphics to the projector are set properly, just in case.
post #3298 of 8418
Has anybody been game enough to attempt a firmware update as yet?
post #3299 of 8418
Ok dumb question time... Does turning the projector upside down reverse the direction of the lens shift? Or would it still be the same?
post #3300 of 8418
Thanks. I did some more testing over the weekend, looks like the SDE is tied to the screen material. I'm running v1.04.




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Originally Posted by aohus View Post

I have the same screen door effect as well but it's only when i'm close to the wall do I see it. I don't have a screen installed yet so I figured it wouldn't be as noticeable once it's installed. I've been watching from literally 1.5 feet away from the wall for the past hour (watching Leon) and I have not noticed it at all. The only time I saw it was during a very bright scene where I was reading something in the background.

what firmware version are you running? It could be running especially hot ?

guess ill post a pic. very crude setup. threw it on an uneven surfaced white wall. that is a 24 inch monitor to the right of it. i am in the process of ordering a jamestown 100 inch gray screen. hopefully it will mitigate the reflections coming from the white walls.

movie: The Host (BD50) on PS3

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