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post #3331 of 4941
That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.
post #3332 of 4941
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.

are they to tight or is it you have to big of a head =p

no I kid I kid but considering most of these products are designed by Asian companies and well Asians tend to be smaller in nature, it sorta makes sense why it would be tight for others.
post #3333 of 4941
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

That's my complaint with 99% of all 3d Glasses, they are too tight.

Have you tried the 3DTV corp or Truedepth glasses? I've found both of these to quite a comfortable fit, and I don't have a particularly small head (I think).
post #3334 of 4941
Yah, the TrueDepths aren't too bad, they are part of the 1% smile.gif
post #3335 of 4941
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

visual apex has them, they drop ship from BQ. I have to try and adjust the arms though, they are pinching too tight behind the ears. it's time for a little surgery with a hairdryer and some gentle persuasion.

Thanks. smile.gif

I guess I am lucky that I have a small head.

Jason
post #3336 of 4941
Jason, You may be DaGamePimp, but to this guy, you DaMan!!!

All seriousness aside;), Thanks for the response. I have to get off my duff and complete my taxes! I love my HC3000 so much that I always find reasons to talk myself out of upgrading but I really want to try 3D at home and if I am picking up additional performance (other than the outstanding (for it's day and price) black levels) over the the Mits, then I have to go all in. I'm not sure if the 1070 will fit right into my current set up or if I will need to get a bigger screen.

Although part of me likes the idea of the bigger screen, I am getting close to the point where I can not see the entire screen image at once. In my current set up the Mits is zoomed (in or out) such that it is the largest image I could project at that distance. I am hoping I can place the 1070 in the same spot and use less/ more zoom (still not sure i'm following that sidebar, as it would seem the normal use of the word has one zoom in to make something bigger and out...) such that in the same spot that the Mits currently occupies, the 1070 would not need to project it's biggest image. In fact, i'd hope that it pretty much fit spot on with its smallest image at that distance as it was my experience (limited though it may be) that the Mits picture looked better projected smaller at that distance, it just didn't fill up the screen. I imagine this would generally be true of all projectors... but I may be wrong (at least 50/50 chance, lol).biggrin.gif
post #3337 of 4941
Owners of w1070, can you tell me do you have to wait 4-5 seconds, and in that time have blank screen when you start 1080p movie through pc, any video player... and also when exiting 1080p movie... this is happening on optoma hd25 i bought 2 days ago, also not entire projected image can be in focus, specially seen on text which is blured in corner(s) or in center... i am thinking about replacing it for w1070... So please can you answer me first question, and comment on second one.... Thanks!
post #3338 of 4941
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Originally Posted by Sinistre1 View Post

Jason, You may be DaGamePimp, but to this guy, you DaMan!!!

All seriousness aside;), Thanks for the response. I have to get off my duff and complete my taxes! I love my HC3000 so much that I always find reasons to talk myself out of upgrading but I really want to try 3D at home and if I am picking up additional performance (other than the outstanding (for it's day and price) black levels) over the the Mits, then I have to go all in. I'm not sure if the 1070 will fit right into my current set up or if I will need to get a bigger screen.

Although part of me likes the idea of the bigger screen, I am getting close to the point where I can not see the entire screen image at once. In my current set up the Mits is zoomed (in or out) such that it is the largest image I could project at that distance. I am hoping I can place the 1070 in the same spot and use less/ more zoom (still not sure i'm following that sidebar, as it would seem the normal use of the word has one zoom in to make something bigger and out...) such that in the same spot that the Mits currently occupies, the 1070 would not need to project it's biggest image. In fact, i'd hope that it pretty much fit spot on with its smallest image at that distance as it was my experience (limited though it may be) that the Mits picture looked better projected smaller at that distance, it just didn't fill up the screen. I imagine this would generally be true of all projectors... but I may be wrong (at least 50/50 chance, lol).biggrin.gif

I'm using the W1070 as a display for racing and flight sims. Screen is 96" diag (max size for a vertical height of 48" on 16:9). My eyeballs are 54" from the screen and it completely fills my field of view. Using Track IR for sideways looking, it's about as good as it can get without a 3-array of 96" screens (and projectors). I do not see any SDE at this distance. I use a single n-vidia GTX 670 card, with plans to purchase the n-vidia 3D software to use this card with the W1070--just haven't done it yet. 3D Corp glasses just arrived.

Incidentally, my local Fry's has the PJ on sale for $999.
post #3339 of 4941
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Originally Posted by Ted99 View Post

Screen is 96" diag (max size for a vertical height of 48" on 16:9). My eyeballs are 54" from the screen and it completely fills my field of view. Using Track IR for sideways looking, it's about as good as it can get without a 3-array of 96" screens (and projectors). I do not see any SDE at this distance. I use a single n-vidia GTX 670 card, with plans to purchase the n-vidia 3D software to use this card with the W1070--just haven't done it yet. 3D Corp glasses just arrived.

Incidentally, my local Fry's has the PJ on sale for $999.

well thats good to know, I have a 92" installed and Im going to be just over 5ft away was worried about being that close if it wouldnt look as good.
post #3340 of 4941
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

Here's a video of the wobble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yksw5kvz7RA
you can see from the fixed shadow that the image wobbles... a bit like watching it reflected on water.
Currently projecting around 200" (yes its huge)

I haven't seen anything like that at all. Even when I'm close enough to the screen to see the grid of black lines, they are perfectly still.
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Originally Posted by sh00kre View Post

Owners of w1070, can you tell me do you have to wait 4-5 seconds, and in that time have blank screen when you start 1080p movie through pc, any video player... and also when exiting 1080p movie... this is happening on optoma hd25 i bought 2 days ago, also not entire projected image can be in focus, specially seen on text which is blured in corner(s) or in center... i am thinking about replacing it for w1070... So please can you answer me first question, and comment on second one.... Thanks!

Depends if the player is changing your graphics or not. You can tell if it is because the W1070 will display in the upper left corner the new graphics and 3D settings that it's receiving.

As for general use with a PC the player (potplayer in our case) starts instantly and is displayed instantly. No blank time at all.

Image focus:
This has been discussed throughout this thread. The vertical lens shift causes some slight blurring/chromatic distortion to the upper half of the image — the more lens shift you have the worse the blurring is, but it is slight and doesn't seem to degrade viewing, only noticeable with the test pattern. We've seen this on both W1070 units we have had. However, the second one does not have chromatic "flaring" — red flaring off the upper lines of the test pattern when vertical lens ship is as high as it can go.

Edge to edge focus has been perfect for us. However, we are currently only using an 84" display are.

hope that help.
post #3341 of 4941
Gheesus Ted!!! You can't hardly have sneezing room before you have to name your Home Theatre "The Rorschach"!!! eek.gif Just kidding, of course. I would love a screen that large in concept. In practice, it bothers me. When I arrive to a theater too late to get my usual middle of the theatre seats and I have to sit closer than 1/3 of the way up, it's usually no bueno. Twice, i was within the first 3 rows (one being the first row), oh boy!!! And not in a good way. Nice to know I have some room for growth, but it will likely be somewhere between where I am now, and half of where you are. Our screens are close to same size and I sit at least 4 ft further back!!!
post #3342 of 4941
Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason
post #3343 of 4941
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason

Yes, I was wondering what was going on as well.

I am using eco mode, and at first I thought, because I was doing a lot of short burst usage, this was the reason. But we watched 2 movies over the last few days and this was about 5 hours total but the projector said usage was in excess of 12 hours. I would like to know what is going on.
post #3344 of 4941
Anyone notice this..had the same issue on my viewsonic pro8200. "Blue Flares" (Star Trek) or any similiar lighting, it seems to disort a lot. Maybe its a DLP thing? Any tips on decreasing this effect?
post #3345 of 4941
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Originally Posted by CharlesZ7 View Post

I haven't seen anything like that at all. Even when I'm close enough to the screen to see the grid of black lines, they are perfectly still.
Depends if the player is changing your graphics or not. You can tell if it is because the W1070 will display in the upper left corner the new graphics and 3D settings that it's receiving.

As for general use with a PC the player (potplayer in our case) starts instantly and is displayed instantly. No blank time at all.

Image focus:
This has been discussed throughout this thread. The vertical lens shift causes some slight blurring/chromatic distortion to the upper half of the image — the more lens shift you have the worse the blurring is, but it is slight and doesn't seem to degrade viewing, only noticeable with the test pattern. We've seen this on both W1070 units we have had. However, the second one does not have chromatic "flaring" — red flaring off the upper lines of the test pattern when vertical lens ship is as high as it can go.

Edge to edge focus has been perfect for us. However, we are currently only using an 84" display are.

hope that help.
thanks for answer! I am using pot player too, my "backup" players are KM, vlc, MPC... in all of them i got blank screen, but only when playing 1080p resolution movie.. I wonder if there is option in one of those players to passthrough this resolution or something because it is very irritating, i tried and didnt find any frown.gif
And w1070 automaticly recognises 3d content? In optoma i have to manualy choose sbs in projector menu..
post #3346 of 4941
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Anyone else running eco and noticing the lamp hours are not adding up in real time..?

I have been in eco (not smart-eco) and the hours are clocking at a faster rate on the counter than real time. eek.gif

Jason

I was wondering about that. Didn't pay close enough attention to it before. On the last projector when I last checked the hours they were pretty high, about 300, and I didn't think we had used it that much. . .. hmmm.

On the new one it is saying 30hrs and it arrived on Thursday, and we haven't been using it 10hrs a day.

Will have to start keeping an eye on it.

Thanks!


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Originally Posted by sh00kre View Post

thanks for answer! I am using pot player too, my "backup" players are KM, vlc, MPC... in all of them i got blank screen, but only when playing 1080p resolution movie.. I wonder if there is option in one of those players to passthrough this resolution or something because it is very irritating, i tried and didnt find any frown.gif
And w1070 automaticly recognises 3d content? In optoma i have to manualy choose sbs in projector menu..

Most of those players have ways to auto-change your graphics' resolution.

In PotPlayer: settings -> Playback - under "full screen settings" check the setting of "resolution"
Should be set to "current resolution" if you don't want to auto-change your resolution.

Also, make sure your computer's graphics to the projector are set properly, just in case.
post #3347 of 4941
Has anybody been game enough to attempt a firmware update as yet?
post #3348 of 4941
Ok dumb question time... Does turning the projector upside down reverse the direction of the lens shift? Or would it still be the same?
post #3349 of 4941
Thanks. I did some more testing over the weekend, looks like the SDE is tied to the screen material. I'm running v1.04.




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Originally Posted by aohus View Post

I have the same screen door effect as well but it's only when i'm close to the wall do I see it. I don't have a screen installed yet so I figured it wouldn't be as noticeable once it's installed. I've been watching from literally 1.5 feet away from the wall for the past hour (watching Leon) and I have not noticed it at all. The only time I saw it was during a very bright scene where I was reading something in the background.

what firmware version are you running? It could be running especially hot ?

guess ill post a pic. very crude setup. threw it on an uneven surfaced white wall. that is a 24 inch monitor to the right of it. i am in the process of ordering a jamestown 100 inch gray screen. hopefully it will mitigate the reflections coming from the white walls.

movie: The Host (BD50) on PS3

post #3350 of 4941
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Originally Posted by artondrius View Post

Ok dumb question time... Does turning the projector upside down reverse the direction of the lens shift? Or would it still be the same?

It is pure mechanical, so what was the question???
post #3351 of 4941
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Originally Posted by TropMonk View Post

Okay, I got my w1070 in today. Firmware 1.04 - ordered it off Amazon.

I setup my Black Diamond 113" screen propped up on chairs for now and had the PJ on a coffee table propped up to try and make it as square as possible with a simple setup. Totally not square. I unboxed it, set it in eco smart mode, projected the test image, dialed it in quickly with zoom and focus and let Avengers DVD have a go at it.

I'm using a SONY NEX 6 camera on ISO 1600 (which does introduce some noise) and 1/13second and auto white balance for ALL shots. the aperture is wide open on the stock lens and is between 3.5-5.6 depending on zoom (I should have turned off AWB). I did some ambient light tests and took multiple shots of each. I'm in Los Angeles and as normal it's a bright sunny day and the shots were taken around 2pm

In case you missed my other post, this Black Diamond screen was purchased used and was sold as "quality is 9/10 almost like new" but when it arrived there are gashes out of the felt on the frame, massive lint buildup on the frame (indicating heavy use) and two good size impact marks on the screen. Also noticed today there is a bad streak down the screen right in the middle that is noticeable on bright scenes. Now after seeing images projected on the screen I would rate it at a 3 out of 10 due to the streak in the middle and impact marks. The selling is attempting to get a replacement screen for me and I told him I would overlook the frame if he is able to do that. I doubt he will being the limited availability of these screens. So most likely this screen will be shipped back in a few days and I'll be forced to figure out something else. This is why the screen isn't mounted and I did a quick test.

Below is a link to the photos I just took. Different light levels, different angles, etc. At the time of writing this the full size images are still being uploaded so till that's done you're limited to small 800x600. Try again later if it doesn't have full size and you want to see full 16 megapixel images (which I suggest). AGAIN, this is not a full setup that's perfect... But shows off the BD screen.
https://picasaweb.google.com/115027079014810894845/FirstTestBlackDiamondWithW1070

Overall impressions: WOW. I've been out of the Home Theater setup business for about 3yrs now and I'm impressed with how this sub $1,000 PJ does. On top of that with this screen it's almost a perfect match-up (for my tastes). Everyone has different feelings on what they are looking for on a projector image. The image POPS off the screen with bright situations, I detected some super minor sparkles at times, but I believe they will be even more minimized once the PJ is ceiling mounted making for an even better image. If I have to send this screen back and find another screen for $1,500 it's going to be hard to find something that works as well as this Black Diamond :-(

I liked your setup I was just thinking you are gettting alot of ambient light from the sides. I was thinking about that for my future project and saw a HT (but can't find the pic atm) where he put up a curtain that was tight over the top on the roof above and ran to the side. Basically it made like a little tent that blocked all the ambient light. You would still have some light there but you sould lose alot of the light going to your screen. Anyway it just an idea. A blackout type curtain blocking the sides on yours would eliminate alot of the light I think. If you do it post some pics I would love to see the difference so I know if it would help my design as well.
post #3352 of 4941
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Originally Posted by Dallasite View Post

Thanks. I did some more testing over the weekend, looks like the SDE is tied to the screen material. I'm running v1.04.

I just installed the BenQ W1080ST - and I notice the SDE - or what I call - - the "Silk Screen Effect." I'm sure some of it has to do with the cheapo (but high value) FAVI 100" Diagonal Screen that I have.

To me, it's not like looking through a "screen door" - per se. It's just not as "tight" as the pixels on my LCD/LED TV. (Looking through a finer weave?)

I've experienced the same thing - - mostly on "sky" shots with my older, rear projection 56" Samsung DLP TV - - so I've seen it before and quickly recognized it.

But I have to tell you - - for being my first projector, I couldn't be happier with the BenQ. It has exceeded all my expectations - - especially for a short throw PJ. The colors, out of the box are fantastic! Very sharp detail and down the road, I'll look at adding the Darbee Darblet. The manuals are exactly the same (W1070/W1080ST) but there is no vertical lens offset with the W1080ST.

I haven't even "dialed in" the best PQ yet or even tested "3D" - - but what a wonderful "Cinemascope" experience for movies and even 16 X 9 TV is unbelievable "huge" in my man cave. It makes it harder to watch a 65" screen - - even though it's uber sharp with fantastic colors!

You can watch the BenQ with a little ambient light but I find it much better in darkness - - and the reflection from the screen, light wise, makes it easy to move around. For 3D on my 65" Samsung LED - - total darkness is total darkness!

All in all - - a great projector - - IMHO.

P.S. - - where the projector really shows its superiority is in movies like "The Bourne Supremacy." Near the end, when Jason sees the daughter in the Russian apartments - - when he walks out and you see the vastness (and sterile quality!) of the that building - - it fills the entire screen and just mesmerizes you! I mean, it's downright spooky how cold and massive those apartments look like on the big screen!
Edited by Ricoflashback - 3/18/13 at 6:20am
post #3353 of 4941
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Originally Posted by Sinistre1 View Post

Gheesus Ted!!! You can't hardly have sneezing room before you have to name your Home Theatre "The Rorschach"!!! eek.gif Just kidding, of course. I would love a screen that large in concept. In practice, it bothers me. When I arrive to a theater too late to get my usual middle of the theatre seats and I have to sit closer than 1/3 of the way up, it's usually no bueno. Twice, i was within the first 3 rows (one being the first row), oh boy!!! And not in a good way. Nice to know I have some room for growth, but it will likely be somewhere between where I am now, and half of where you are. Our screens are close to same size and I sit at least 4 ft further back!!!

Brings new meaning to the term "immersed in the game". Incidentally, my screen is a sheet of hardboard painted with Behr "Silverscreen" using a 1/4" nap roller. Gives the screen surface a little bit of "pebble" texture, which does not seem to affect the focus, but could be ameloriate some SDE. In any event, I don't see any. To echo what has been stated here, getting the PJ exactly perpendicular to the screen is critical. I had a little of what looked like misconvergence on the grid pattern on one side of the screen, which was completely cured with realignment. In my setup, it's easy to change the angle of the screen to the PJ, and only a 1/4" adjustment made a huge difference. It is easier doing it this way than rotating the PJ because it was hard for me too get a very fine adjustment doing a PJ rotation. Because of the relatively short throw of this PJ, I wondered if some curvature of the screen would improve edge focus. I tested this by holding a screen-painted paddle at the edge of the projected picture and moved it toward the PJ, using the grid pattern. I could not see any improvement, so concluded that at my 96" size there was no need for curvature. Actually hoped I would see some, as it's easy to curve a hardboard screen.
post #3354 of 4941
Interesting info on the 3D SBS not being supported in 1080p- maybe that explains why the 3D menu is disabled when i feed it from my PS3 at 1080p using an SBS encoded movie. Must try it in 1080i...
post #3355 of 4941
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

Has anyone else noticed when the projector warms up, after a while the image wobbles a little bit, most noticable when viewing output from a PC (ie not moving, solid straight lines)?
Would putting it in high altitude mode work to cool it down (I am assuming the fan runs faster/longer to push more cool air through)?

Nope, not seeing that on mine
post #3356 of 4941
Yep SBS will only work with 1080i 50/60HZ.....
post #3357 of 4941
I have seen the recommendations for using SainSonic glasses with Benq W1070 projector. Can someone who has used the glasses confirm if below glasses will work?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MYZE26/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A10EAPE4CAYC9P

or Do I need to buy the Black color one as below?

http://www.amazon.com/SainSonic-SSZ-200DLB-Rechargeable-DLP-Link-Projector/dp/B0085JBI6S/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y

I read people talking about 144Hz , on the product description of Black color I Can see Field Hertz : 144Hz mentioned on the black one but the White one says 120Hz, even though the model number is same and just the color is different.

Someone who has used, please suggest.
post #3358 of 4941
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I spent several hours testing out the glasses shown below, the BQ 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen + the Optoma ZD 201's.

This is a short review. I don't know how they did it, but BQ has significantly increased the ability to stay locked onto the DLP signal. It's day / night difference vs. the ZD201's. It looks like they built in a timer of some kind because you can hold your finger over the receiver and the glasses won't lose sync for a good 5 seconds. it's like a buffer.

I did all the tests where I could easily lose sync on the ZD201's yet the BQ 3rd gen stayed locked with no issues, I had to really go out of my way to get it to lose sync. (turn head completely to the side for 10+ seconds).

Also they are very good at blocking the red flash, much better than the 1st and 2nd gen models and nearly on par with the ZD201's. My only complaint is that they are too tight. The arms that wrap around the eyes are in my opinion too angled so they dig into my head behind the ears. I think I am going to take a hairdryer and heat up the plastic to bend them out a bit. it won't take much to get them to fit right if I do this.

These are highly recommended to try out for the BQ W7000 and the 1070.

DLP-glasses.jpg

Are the D3's rechargeable? There is very little info about them on any site's description.
post #3359 of 4941
Not wanting to threadjack this thread I started a Build thread of my setup using a Black Diamond 113" screen and Benq w1070 here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463959/home-build-benq-w1070-113-black-diamond-screen-jbl-speakers-and-yamaha-rx-v671-receiver#post_23094655


I purchased two SainSonic SSz-200DLB http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0085JBI6S/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and two True Depth 3D http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053T5QPW/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And one : Okeba ultralight 3D glasses http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AASENXC/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've only tried the SainSonic and True Depth ones so far. They are both very similar in shape, size and weight. I find the True Depth to have a lighter shade and lighter green tint than the SainSonic's. However they both perform great. I do prefer the True Depth 3D's more though. For personal use I'll use the True Depth, but the SainSonics are GREAT bang for the buck for when you have guests over. I'll report back on the Okeba after I try them out. I figured I'd try them out ($25 on amazon), and they look to be able to fit over prescription glasses easier than the others due to a more open design. And they are VERY light indeed...
post #3360 of 4941
Anyone know of a good Neutral Density filter to use with this PJ?
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