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post #3571 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Bacon13 View Post

One of the problems with a thread with over 3000 replys is the same question gets asked over and over.


That is why on some threads on PJ or Receivers some one with knowledge on that particular subject starts the first posting usually introducing the subject then adding on as the members learn on the subject and they usually have FAQ, the first thread or posting is always add ons so that way everyone can get a answer on a questions they have, have read that sometimes that makes a person buy that product for that reason, if I recall correctly the PJ are usually $2,000 and higher price. check it out on this forum, hope that I explain the reason behind the same question being asked over and over, this would prevent it from the thread being over stated, for example a question is asked and someone will either direct that person to the front pages where exactly the answer is or to read the first couple pages of the thread, hope that this answer your question.
post #3572 of 8562
here is a review for those of you that are thinking of getting the Darbee.


http://www.avforums.com/reviews/DarbeeVision-Visual-Presence-DVP-5000-Darbee-Darblet-Video-Enhancement-Device-Review_352/Review.html
post #3573 of 8562
Not the place for Darbee talk. I'll just say several well respected professional calibrators here in the states think very highly of the product.
post #3574 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

There is a Lamp WaveForm setting which seems to be a sort of color temp control I gather, but really have no clue. It also has a CCA menu which looks like a CMS, but with different controls, but my guess is that you could accomplish the same goals with the CMS, but again, just guessing as I've never seen controls laid out that way or heard of a CCA. No 10pt greyscale. Still a 2pt.

My opinion is that the ISF mode is unnecessary. You have white balance controls and a full CMS in the user menu. Other than a better fine tuning of the gamma control, what else do you really need to dial the PJ in? Especially one that is this close out of the box, and has a greyscale that tracks so linearly.


While one can obtain an excellent calibration via the user menu CMS, ISFccc + RS-232 are great additions to such an entry level projector and allow for even more precise tuning plus ISF day and ISF night calibrations (look up ControlCal and see why the RS-232 is a nice feature along with the ISFccc/CMS).

Now I have not calibrated the w1070 in this manner since I am on 1.04 and the settings will not save (no point wasting hours tweaking) but I have used this set-up on previous displays that I have calibrated and it's a very welcome addition.

Plus the ISFccc can be locked, people with button happy family members will appreciate that little bonus (I suffer that affliction rolleyes.gif) since all that standard CMS calibration work could be swept away with a few simple button presses (keep the remote away from the little ones). biggrin.gif

Please do some research and understand what you are dismissing before claiming it unnecessary. * Although I do agree that a 10-point would be a wonderful addition. wink.gif

Jason
Edited by DaGamePimp - 3/24/13 at 3:16am
post #3575 of 8562
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

well thats crappy. whats the idea behind that? the color control seems much more complicated. and also, the black level control is unavailable. wth?

The factory pre set is pretty good, probably better than 95% of User will ever be able to adjust, the color and tint is for crappy signals only (hopefully nobody is using CVBS or Y/C)

The brightness & contrast is availlable and also to difficult to use the right way for most of the user.

So If you got some knowledge about setting up a projector you will not ask such Questions, if you got no knowledge keep the W1070 in factory settings, you won't get it better.
post #3576 of 8562
A few people asked for firmware update instructions.
I suggest that you do this only if you have an early version of the firmware and are having issues that need to be fixed. One must also realize that if you mess up the firmware update your warranty could be void

Firmware available below:

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B_xTFybwtlbvU1oxdHRNcWd3LTQ/edit?pli=1&docId=0B_xTFybwtlbvTHFqclRLU3pBNlk.

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B_xTFybwtlbvU1oxdHRNcWd3LTQ/edit

If one wants to do the update I suggest doing it using a standard to min B cable.

1. Write down all your settings before starting a.
2. I suggest that you create a new folder on your desktop called 1070 firmware in the new folder.
3. Download the download tool and unzip in new folder.
4. Download the 105 img file to the same folder.
5. .Install the download tool. It is called DLP composer.
5A Copy the Flash Device Parameters. txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer) Just copy and paste the file.
6. Open the DLP Composer tool and go to edit, preferences.
7. When the window opens go to communication and set it to USB
8. Close this window and click on flash loader on the opening screen. A window will open.
8. Change the mark to Complete Image Download Put check in Skip Boot loader area Change 59 32Kb
9. On the top of the flash loader hit the browse button and go to your folder 105 img file.
10. Insert the USB cable in the min plug on the projector and into your computer. (Wait for the drivers to load. This should take a minute with windows 7 or 8
11. Unplug the projector and push the power and auto buttons at the same time. Plug in the projector while holding the buttons. The LED on the projector will turn red if you are in download mode.
(If it turns orange do this again until you only get the red led) This is very important.
12 Hit the Reset Bus and Start Download. The upgrade process should take about 5 minutes. A timer will start telling you how long it will take.
13. Do not unplug anything during the process. When everything completes the LED on the projector will turn to standby orange.
14. Unplug the USB cable and turn the projector on
15 You will have to put all your settings back in and turn source select to auto
16. Instructions are also available in the service manual PDF you downloaded to your folder.
17. Only do this upgrade at your own risk and if you are familiar with doing firmware updates..
18. You do not need the service tool to do the firmware update the firmware and write down your settings.

Edited by rwestley - 3/24/13 at 6:18pm
post #3577 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Auric View Post

The factory pre set is pretty good, probably better than 95% of User will ever be able to adjust, the color and tint is for crappy signals only (hopefully nobody is using CVBS or Y/C)

The brightness & contrast is availlable and also to difficult to use the right way for most of the user.

So If you got some knowledge about setting up a projector you will not ask such Questions, if you got no knowledge keep the W1070 in factory settings, you won't get it better.

This is the first pj for me so maybe this is normal for them? None of the TV's I have had behaved this way and it allowed me to do some quick and easy calibrating with some test patterns.

Your right. It is nice out if the box, but I can see with the pattern that the color is off. Oh well. I guess I'll have to live with it till I get a meter.

As for the repeat question. My apologies. I did a quick search and skimmed some pages, but didnt find anything. Wanted to get to the bottom of it ASAP with the wife waiting on me to finish "messing" with it. You know how it is.....
post #3578 of 8562
rwestley,

Okay I created folder called "1070 firmware" and in there I put 105.img file and wseries service tool software.
I then download and install on pc the DLP Composer software and made the requirement changes.
Now to get started I will need a USB cable from pc to w1070 pjt.
That's it and now I can start my upgrade please advice if any of these steps are in correct.
Thanks
in advance
post #3579 of 8562
rwestley THANKS!

Rew
post #3580 of 8562
Quote:
Originally Posted by themagic View Post

rwestley,

Okay I created folder called "1070 firmware" and in there I put 105.img file and wseries service tool software.
I then download and install on pc the DLP Composer software and made the requirement changes.
Now to get started I will need a USB cable from pc to w1070 pjt.
That's it and now I can start my upgrade please advice if any of these steps are in correct.
Thanks
in advance

You seem ok. The cable is standard I had a few around the house. Be sure to go into download mode (Red light) on projector by unplugging proj. and holding down Power and auto when you re-plug the power in.
Wait a minute for the drivers to automatically install on Windows 8 or 7 and you are good to go.
post #3581 of 8562
guys this has probably been asked before but as someone mentioned earlier, this thread is getting too long to try and find an answer.

I was trying to play a 3d mp4 file that is in side-by-side format and the projector would not recognize it as 3d and I couldnt pull up the 3d menu to try and change the settings.

This was being played on a ps3 so is there any specific settings that I need to change on either the ps3 or the pj ?
post #3582 of 8562
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

While one can obtain an excellent calibration via the user menu CMS, ISFccc + RS-232 are great additions to such an entry level projector and allow for even more precise tuning plus ISF day and ISF night calibrations (look up ControlCal and see why the RS-232 is a nice feature along with the ISFccc/CMS).

Now I have not calibrated the w1070 in this manner since I am on 1.04 and the settings will not save (no point wasting hours tweaking) but I have used this set-up on previous displays that I have calibrated and it's a very welcome addition.

Plus the ISFccc can be locked, people with button happy family members will appreciate that little bonus (I suffer that affliction rolleyes.gif) since all that standard CMS calibration work could be swept away with a few simple button presses (keep the remote away from the little ones). biggrin.gif

Please do some research and understand what you are dismissing before claiming it unnecessary. * Although I do agree that a 10-point would be a wonderful addition. wink.gif

Jason

No need to be insulting. You probably are misunderstanding what I mean.

I don't mean that there aren't any other controls that could be locked into the ISF mode that couldn't be useful. What I am saying is that the tools in the user menu are sufficient.

I've done a calibration on the W1070. The deltaE is below 1 across the range. Anything under 3 isn't discernible to the human eye. Now you can get a near perfect greyscale and still have your primaries and secondaries off. But there is a CMS. So assuming You use the CMS and get the target points nearly dead on, and your deltaE on the greyscale under 1, what more do you want? Maybe there is something in the ISF that will get it even better, but you won't be able to tell the difference, so what is the point? That is what I was saying.

If the ISF mode had the CMS locked in it and it wasn't in the user menu, then that would be something. If the ISF mode had a way to make finer adjustments to the gamma, then that too would be something. I don't see either of them as being the case.

It isn't that I'm ignorant as you imply. I understand that there are some things that would help dial the image in even more, and I do agree it's great that it's included in the PJ and you are right about the benefit of locking the settings from others, I am just saying that any improvement that you could acheive with the ISF mode, versus what you have in the user menu, would most likely not be visible, since the PJ tracks so linearly and accurately.

Just didn't want other members to go crazy upgrading their firmware just to be able to use the ISF menu like it's nirvana, thinking that what is in the user menu is rubbish.
post #3583 of 8562
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Originally Posted by schro5150 View Post

I have the HDMI cables routed according to the manual. PS3 to receiver, cable box to receiver, HDMI out to projector, but no sound. Receiver manual has the optical output if source doesn't have ARC. Just trying to figure out why I'm not getting any sound. Wife wants to watch The Hobbit tonight, I'd really like to have more than the 10W coming out of the projector.

I appreciate the input.

You do not need ARC with a projector. The purpose of ARC is to send audio back to the receiver from the TV tuner or streaming apps on a display device. The way you have it connected is correct: PS3 -> Receiver -> Projector. If you're not getting sound out of the receiver then something is not set correctly on the PS3 or receiver. Make sure you have the PS3 configured to send audio through HDMI and make sure the receiver is on the correct HDMI input.
post #3584 of 8562
Having weird problem with this projector.. its losing my user1 settings some times.. theyre totally resetted when i example switch hdmi-cable to different port / shut projector down etc. .. sometimes it keeps 'em sometimes it loses them ... Anyone had similar problems ?? running v 1.04 firmware
post #3585 of 8562
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

why are my COlor Tint and Temperature controls not available? they are grayed out.

The W1070 actually offers better adjustments than just the standard color and tint control. In the color management screen you can set the saturation and hue for each color individually. However, you will need a calibration disc with the right patterns to make any improvement over the default settings.
post #3586 of 8562
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Originally Posted by sigma957 View Post

The W1070 actually offers better adjustments than just the standard color and tint control. In the color management screen you can set the saturation and hue for each color individually. However, you will need a calibration disc with the right patterns to make any improvement over the default settings.

thanks. so these CAN be adjusted with patterns, and a meter is not absolutely necessary? thats good to know. ill have to look deeper into my cal disc's to see if any of them have patterns for this.
post #3587 of 8562
After a month of worry free use, my W1070 has now developed an interesting problem: it no longer plays 1080p 3D.

Here's the situation and what I've tried:

Upon loading Monster, Inc., the projector started to switch to 3D but then the screen scrambled and froze while the audio continued normally. I also cannot access the projector menu.

I thought it might be the blu so I tried another Disney 3D Blu. Same result. Tried some other 3D discs. Same exact result every time: scrambled/frozen screen with normal audio.

I switch from the Sony player to the Orei. Same result.

OK. I decide to try some different HDMI cables I have. Nothing.

I try Monsters, Inc. on the Insignia connected to the HDTV. Switches to 3D and plays perfectly. This confirms it isn't a software problem.

I get out my ViewSonic 3D processor and get it all hooked up. Works perfectly. The projector can still display 3D.

I disconnect the ViewSonic and try some 3D videos I got from You Tube and keep on a USB drive. Insert drive, switch player to 1080i, switch projector to SBS. They all play fine. So, the projector can still display 3D on it's own.

I try another Blu. No go. Same scrambled/frozen screen.

My current thinking is that the projector will no longer play frame packing 3D. Not sure why that would be but it's the only conclusion I can come to.

I currently have the ViewSonic 3D processor hooked up and it's working fine. 720p 3D is better than no 3D! It must be said, the 720p 3D is excellent!

I'm not going to send the projector in for what I consider to be a minor issue. I can still get 3D, just not in 1080p. I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas of what could be causing this problem.
post #3588 of 8562
Try a factory reset in the service menu first?

There might be some stuck software bug in the PJ or something, maybe a reset will flush it. Upgrading the firmware might be another way to flush it, but then it'd mess up your warranty so I probably wouldn't do the latter if the PJ has an issue.
post #3589 of 8562
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

thanks. so these CAN be adjusted with patterns, and a meter is not absolutely necessary? thats good to know. ill have to look deeper into my cal disc's to see if any of them have patterns for this.

It's easier with a meter - but if you have red, green, and blue filters you should be able to use the "Flashing Primary Colors" and "Flashing Color Decoder" patterns from the Avs calibration disc to adjust the hue and saturation of the primary colors.
post #3590 of 8562
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Try a factory reset in the service menu first?

There might be some stuck software bug in the PJ or something, maybe a reset will flush it. Upgrading the firmware might be another way to flush it, but then it'd mess up your warranty so I probably wouldn't do the latter if the PJ has an issue.

Factory reset worked! Forgot to mention that I was watching some You Tube 3D videos on USB before this happened. Looks like the PJ got stuck on the USB settings.

Thank you so much! biggrin.gif
post #3591 of 8562
What color calibration hardware would you recommend for use with projectors that would be say under $300 or is it that under that price your just better off with the going with your eye disc calibration software?
post #3592 of 8562
I use component cables with my old consoles such as the PS2. The Color control becomes available, but not tint as it's not needed. If everything in your chain is digital such as PS3 > HDMI > Projector, the control isnt needed at all. In other words, both Color and tinit is properly set already as the digital info is there. The more in depth adjustments within the projector still need to be set such as the separate R G and B channels.

Actually, I am so glad the controls are grayed out. I find that rare.
post #3593 of 8562
So I read earlier that sbs 3d video has to be played at 1080i 60 hz on this pj.

Is there anyone with a ps3 that knows how to get the ps3 to play videos that way ?

I can't seem to get it out of 1080p mode without disabling 3d ?
post #3594 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

No need to be insulting. You probably are misunderstanding what I mean.

I don't mean that there aren't any other controls that could be locked into the ISF mode that couldn't be useful. What I am saying is that the tools in the user menu are sufficient.

I've done a calibration on the W1070. The deltaE is below 1 across the range. Anything under 3 isn't discernible to the human eye. Now you can get a near perfect greyscale and still have your primaries and secondaries off. But there is a CMS. So assuming You use the CMS and get the target points nearly dead on, and your deltaE on the greyscale under 1, what more do you want? Maybe there is something in the ISF that will get it even better, but you won't be able to tell the difference, so what is the point? That is what I was saying.

If the ISF mode had the CMS locked in it and it wasn't in the user menu, then that would be something. If the ISF mode had a way to make finer adjustments to the gamma, then that too would be something. I don't see either of them as being the case.

It isn't that I'm ignorant as you imply. I understand that there are some things that would help dial the image in even more, and I do agree it's great that it's included in the PJ and you are right about the benefit of locking the settings from others, I am just saying that any improvement that you could acheive with the ISF mode, versus what you have in the user menu, would most likely not be visible, since the PJ tracks so linearly and accurately.

Just didn't want other members to go crazy upgrading their firmware just to be able to use the ISF menu like it's nirvana, thinking that what is in the user menu is rubbish.


I was not meaning to be insulting at all, sorry if you took it as such. wink.gif

You said it was "unnecessary" and while that is certainly true for most it is not true for everyone. smile.gif

I fully understand that this unit calibrates exceptionally well with the user menu CMS but then for those that are going to take it to that next level (which at this price range is only going to be a very small percentage) I think it's great to have the ISFccc in there.

The ISF mode should be lockable and only by entering in the code can those adjustments be changed, this is one of the main aspects of the ISFccc. The ISFccc obviously bypasses the user menu CMS when enabled. If it does not function in this manner (as it should) then that must mean we need firmware 1.05. frown.gif

So again I am sorry if you felt insulted, that was not my intent at all, I was just saying to do some research before you dismiss it since you said yourself you did not even know what it was.

Jason
post #3595 of 8562
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

I should post this after I see another 3D movie in which I am about to watch, believe that at first messed around the 3D button and got the FRAME Packing 3D mode, and then everything was OK from then on. Haven't had a fan noise yet, so far.or should say besides at startup

Thanks, Zapper. Everything works like a charm, now. A couple comments:

1. 3DTV glasses work great! I watched a little bit of Avatar (my "reference" 3D disc) and it looks super!
2. The "Invert" option looks better to me - - maybe it's my eyes, but everything "pops out" better.
3. Directv 3D still not working properly - - but I think that is due to the fact that it is setup for my Samsung LCD/LED TV. I get "split screen" effect - - not 3D when trying 3D programming from my Directv source. I suspect a receiver "reset" might take care of that - - or maybe it's something else?
4. Fan noise definitely louder in 3D mode. It sounds loud when I start up the projector in "2d" mode, but then quiets down after a minute or so. I live in Colorado - - so I do have the "High Altitude" setting "On." I'm not sure if this affects it or not - - the temperature in my man cave is always optimal - - 68 to 72.

Pretty amazing to have a $1K projector provide a great picture plus 3D too!
post #3596 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

What color calibration hardware would you recommend for use with projectors that would be say under $300 or is it that under that price your just better off with the going with your eye disc calibration software?

Try to find a used D3 with Chrompure (not sure Chromapure licenses transfer though). Just make sure the D3 was "offset calibrated" by Chromapure/Tom Huffman and that it is not older than 6 months, don't want to deal with drift. I use a C6 with Spectracal, cost $500 when I got it, not sure of current price.

I also do not know of current prices of D3+ Chrompure, but I think around $400 most likely, maybe $300 on sale.
Spectracal is ok, but I think I trust Chromapure more, hard to say. The only problem I have is with calibration on my 2.4 gain HP screen, it reads red incorrectly slightly on the gray-scale. I've been meaning to compare 3 calibrations - at the lens vs neutral white vs HP screen color to see how much its really OFF, just too lazy at the moment.

I wouldn't waste $200 to $250, when you can get such better meters for another $150 or so.
post #3597 of 8562
Last night tried the WOW disk to calibrate the W1070 after the calibration it seemed worse, so went back to my previous settings set by eyesight trial and error and as usual the blu ray movie was great it showed the individuals sharp as can be and sort of popping at you and since I am the one that sees the movie or display its my taste and any other person would not agree with my settings since all of us have different vision to a extent.

So the moral of the story if you like your viewing as is why bother trying to get it better, its your vision not some one else's. Once had my CRT TV calibrated by a professional calibrator that worked with JOE Kane and after the calibration it was not that much different then my settings or what picture looked like before, so when I had my first PJ some how got a hold of John Cannon if I recall his name correctly and he was the GURU on calibration CRT and was getting into PJ he was a writer for a video magazine anyways he gave it a shot and again same result he is calibrating according to the equipment and his eye sight.

Some calibrators are probably great but which one???? and how good can he or she get your display to the best as it can be? when they are using their eyes and following the equipment let say to get to 6500K, and so on.


MY Opinion based on 2 top calibrators in the Country at that time.
Edited by zapper - 3/24/13 at 1:46pm
post #3598 of 8562
I made a 48fps 3D over under sample to try using avisynth filters and I can't get the projector to properly play it. Any tips? Set it to 1080/24p and it does play but 3D glasses (Sainsonic/TruDepth) both have something not quite right, and I also get audio dropouts every 4 seconds (only when I'm full screen) which causes de-sync with video. I'm using mpc-hc. Maybe this is just not possible. 720p with my projector does not enable 3D mode so 720p/60p won't work either.

I guess I was right - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1410743/what-projector-can-accept-48fps-via-hdmi

I guess I was wrong - got it working finally. Installed latest stereoscopic player, selected viewing mode of Intel Stereo Driver, SP switched resolution to 720/60, playback started ok but only works in window mode. Shut down SP, started up mpc-hc, started sample, all 3D options are now available! Strange, never seen any 3D options at 720p before. SP must have enabled something. Played back fine in full screen with no audio or video problems. Nice, although 1080 would have been nicer but not at 48Hz with this unit.
Edited by tyee - 3/24/13 at 4:17pm
post #3599 of 8562
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Originally Posted by cougartiger View Post

After a month of worry free use, my W1070 has now developed an interesting problem: it no longer plays 1080p 3D.

Here's the situation and what I've tried:

Upon loading Monster, Inc., the projector started to switch to 3D but then the screen scrambled and froze while the audio continued normally. I also cannot access the projector menu.

I thought it might be the blu so I tried another Disney 3D Blu. Same result. Tried some other 3D discs. Same exact result every time: scrambled/frozen screen with normal audio.

I switch from the Sony player to the Orei. Same result.

OK. I decide to try some different HDMI cables I have. Nothing.

I try Monsters, Inc. on the Insignia connected to the HDTV. Switches to 3D and plays perfectly. This confirms it isn't a software problem.

I get out my ViewSonic 3D processor and get it all hooked up. Works perfectly. The projector can still display 3D.

I disconnect the ViewSonic and try some 3D videos I got from You Tube and keep on a USB drive. Insert drive, switch player to 1080i, switch projector to SBS. They all play fine. So, the projector can still display 3D on it's own.

I try another Blu. No go. Same scrambled/frozen screen.

My current thinking is that the projector will no longer play frame packing 3D. Not sure why that would be but it's the only conclusion I can come to.

I currently have the ViewSonic 3D processor hooked up and it's working fine. 720p 3D is better than no 3D! It must be said, the 720p 3D is excellent!

I'm not going to send the projector in for what I consider to be a minor issue. I can still get 3D, just not in 1080p. I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas of what could be causing this problem.
Mines was doing the same thing, except my blu ray movies played in 1080p. It was my ripped movies on my HTPC that would not play at all. They played when I first got the projector, then I could do it anymore
post #3600 of 8562
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Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

What color calibration hardware would you recommend for use with projectors that would be say under $300 or is it that under that price your just better off with the going with your eye disc calibration software?

If you want to do it right from the start grab an i1 Display Pro colorimeter + i1 Pro spectrophotometer + CalMan or Chromapure.

There is also the newer C3 with CalMan Tutorial from Spectracal for $150 (PLEASE NOTE: this is a contact meter only and does not work for front projection - I was not aware at the time, sorry wink.gif).

http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/c3.html

If you want to dip your toes in the deep end and see if you like it grab an inexpensive Spyder 4 colorimeter and use the newer free HCFR. When you are ready to move on, with better gear or find it just is not of interest, you sell off the $100 Spyder for $50 and you've only invested a small amount to have first hand calibration experience and can make the right choice for yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-Spyder4Express-S4X100-Display-Calibration/dp/B006TF3746/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1364157395&sr=1-3&keywords=Spyder+4

Best of luck,
Jason



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Edited by DaGamePimp - 4/8/13 at 12:11pm
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