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OK , the newegg deal has me right on the brink of getting this PJ , just have a couple questions for the knowledgeable folks in here . Gaming is important (fps) so I think dlp is my best option due to lag .
1) 3d isn't a concern for me so I'm wondering what the opinions are on this compared to other 1080p PJ in this price range ( I can get the benq ep5920 for $700) .
2) I'm coming from an LG 50PK540 plasma in a bright room ( light colored walls , plenty of ambient light coming in from every direction except the wall the screen will be on) how much worse will the PJ image be than my plasma during day viewing? I'm willing to make concessions during high light times , but I really want the image viewable without having to black out my windows and doors. I know no one can tell me exactly how it will fare , but if anyone has a similar room , and made the switch from plasma to the 1070 could give an account on the view-ability with a lot of light I would appreciate the feedback.
Any other tips or help for a prospective PJ owner are also welcomed , I have been researching the threads on screens and going to play with DIY so I can dial in what will work best in my space.
Now to get creative on the purchase so I don't have to pay the CA sales tax and save $90. Thanks all
post #4382 of 8500
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

OK , the newegg deal has me right on the brink of getting this PJ , just have a couple questions for the knowledgeable folks in here . Gaming is important (fps) so I think dlp is my best option due to lag .
1) 3d isn't a concern for me so I'm wondering what the opinions are on this compared to other 1080p PJ in this price range ( I can get the benq ep5920 for $700) .
2) I'm coming from an LG 50PK540 plasma in a bright room ( light colored walls , plenty of ambient light coming in from every direction except the wall the screen will be on) how much worse will the PJ image be than my plasma during day viewing? I'm willing to make concessions during high light times , but I really want the image viewable without having to black out my windows and doors. I know no one can tell me exactly how it will fare , but if anyone has a similar room , and made the switch from plasma to the 1070 could give an account on the view-ability with a lot of light I would appreciate the feedback.
Any other tips or help for a prospective PJ owner are also welcomed , I have been researching the threads on screens and going to play with DIY so I can dial in what will work best in my space.
Now to get creative on the purchase so I don't have to pay the CA sales tax and save $90. Thanks all

1. Don't know what would be equal or better than this for less than a grand without the 3D option.

2. This projector is a killer deal for the huge light output it offers. Having said this, it is a projector . . . and any and all projectors aren't great when they have to compete with significant ambient light. The first thing you will be giving up with any light is your contrast ratio. The blacks will simply become more gray with increased light. This projector is one of the best for being as "forgiving" as possible if you watch it in a living room setting with some light during the day.

I also have a plasma (64" Samsung) which is much better for daytime viewing than a projector, since the blacks still look black during periods where light is present in the room. Light doesn't "wash out" a plasma or LED the way it does a projected image. For this reason, I tend to watch my BenQ projector when it's dark . . . it simply looks stunning. To me it's not worth putting hrs. on the lamp when I can watch the plasma in less than ideal viewing conditions.

The plasma and the projector both have their strong points. I know you don't want to black out your windows . . . I had my curtains lined with a fabric that blocks light . . . this way I can enjoy one of the projectors I have in that room when it's daylight -- and it looks great. If you are a moderate to heavy television viewer, I would consider keeping your flat panel for casual viewing. LCD and DLP projectors aren't really work horses -- I don't think they really stand up well to constant use. Both the lamp and the overall build quality aren't up to many hrs. of daily use in the same respect as a flat panel (or even the older three gun cathode ray tube projectors). The BenQ manual actually warns those who use their projectors for more than 10 hrs. of constant use to set the fan to the high altitude setting because of the stain constant use places on the lamp.

Lastly, I am hugely happy with the W1070 (compared to my much more costly Epson 5010). Last night I had friends over and we watched ARGO on Blu-ray. The quality was fantastic. When you have a Blu-ray (for example) that has been mastered well from pristine elements, the results are amazing with the W1070. The blacks in ARGO were unexpectedly deep, offering a picture that would defy it was being projected from a budget sub $1,000.00 projector.

Ian
post #4383 of 8500
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Anyone else having this issue?

Not sure if it's the BD, as they were both scratched (rental from Netflix) but they both played without any skipping or pauses. First time I noticed it was Flight. When ever there were clouds on the screen, like in the sequence when Denzel is flying the plain obviously, there would be a flickering in the clouds. I chalked it up to the BD being scratched as I never saw it at any other time. That is until today. Just watched How to Train Your Dragon on BD and the same thing happened anytime clouds, fog, or smoke was on the screen. It only does it in those areas. Other solid objects on screen at the same time don't flicker.

Like I said, never seen it on any other movie except these two, but now I'm wondering if I never seen it because other movies I watched never had any cloud, smoke, or fog. At least not enough that I would notice, as Flight and How to Train had scenes that were mostly clouds, fog, or smoke.

Have to see if I can find other movies that have a lot of clouds, fog, and smoke, and see if it does it too, or if it was just defective BDs.

Has anyone ever heard of or experienced this? Is it hard for a color wheel or the mirrors of a DLP to render something as fine as clouds, fog, and smoke, and this is normal, or is my PJ defective?

I'm gonna call BenQ too to see what they say, after some more testing and investigation, but I wanted to know if anyone here had ever heard of this before.

Thanks.


Just watched Flight, what you seen was white clouds and dark clouds coming at the cockpit and specially when they put the engine over the horn then the clouds came at them faster especially one white one came at the cockpit windows, big time, my opinion was just clouds and you have your PJ fined tuned and they somewhat popped at you. To me the flickering was clouds coming at you, fast and slow white & darker clouds..
post #4384 of 8500
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

Will watch the Flight movie tonight and let see what happens.

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I've noticed some slight flicker while watching golf. Thought it might be the broadcast so I went back on the dvr about 30 seconds but could not see it again. Thought it may be smart echo mode.

It's kind of like when there is interference on a tube TV. You know how there will be horizontal lines that move up or down the screens and they are a darker color than what ever color they pass through? It is like that except that they don't go across the entire screen horizontally, and they don't travel up or down in a uniform, slow movement. It just jumps around the screen, these bars that are darker than what ever color is being displayed.

I only saw them in clouds, fog, and smoke initially, but now that I'm paying attention, I see them more often on solid colors too. An AT&T iPhone commercial that had an orangish yellow screen at the end had flicker near where the black lettering was over the orange background. I've seen it some in white backgrounds too. Just not as noticeable as it was with the clouds on the BDs I mentioned earlier. It does it even when the image is paused to. Quite annoying.

I'm calling BenQ. If anyone else has this issue, or has heard of it, let me know.
post #4385 of 8500
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

Just watched Flight, what you seen was white clouds and dark clouds coming at the cockpit and specially when they put the engine over the horn then the clouds came at them faster especially one white one came at the cockpit windows, big time, my opinion was just clouds and you have your PJ fined tuned and they somewhat popped at you. To me the flickering was clouds coming at you, fast and slow white & darker clouds..

Definitely was not that. It is definitely something that is not part of the movie. Looks like interference. It is not normal.
post #4386 of 8500
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Originally Posted by acras13

OK , the newegg deal has me right on the brink of getting this PJ , just have a couple questions for the knowledgeable folks in here . Gaming is important (fps) so I think dlp is my best option due to lag .
1) 3d isn't a concern for me so I'm wondering what the opinions are on this compared to other 1080p PJ in this price range ( I can get the benq ep5920 for $700) .
2) I'm coming from an LG 50PK540 plasma in a bright room ( light colored walls , plenty of ambient light coming in from every direction except the wall the screen will be on) how much worse will the PJ image be than my plasma during day viewing? I'm willing to make concessions during high light times , but I really want the image viewable without having to black out my windows and doors. I know no one can tell me exactly how it will fare , but if anyone has a similar room , and made the switch from plasma to the 1070 could give an account on the view-ability with a lot of light I would appreciate the feedback.
Any other tips or help for a prospective PJ owner are also welcomed , I have been researching the threads on screens and going to play with DIY so I can dial in what will work best in my space.
Now to get creative on the purchase so I don't have to pay the CA sales tax and save $90. Thanks all

You will be dissapointed. Even as bright as the the Benq is, you just can't compete with a plasma in the environment you described. That is if you are fond of color saturation and contrast. Keeping the projected image small will help, but only so much, and then what's the point?

If you are against blacking out, you might consider a solar screen that will block out a majority of the light but still allow for visibility to the outside and darker/neutral color/matte paint for the walls. This is what I ended up doing in my situation, 90% suntex solar screens on the windows, two light grey accent walls and matte paint throughout.
post #4387 of 8500
The interference looking flicker is more noticeable when I turn Brilliant Color off. Went to Google's page on the PS3 browser, which is basically a white screen. Couldn't really make the flicker out. Only if I concentrated really hard to look for it. Turned BC of and it was so noticeable that anyone would easily notice it.

The lines stretched the length of the white are and bounced up and down the screen in random areas. It's like showing anything light colored is too much of a strain on the Projector.

Like I said, was most easy to see with clouds, smoke, and fog, but now I see it in every light color, provided it's a big enough area that is a light color. Very annoying. Definitely going to call in the morning and have them swap it out. Don't know if it's the mirrors or the lamp,, or what.
post #4388 of 8500
Thanks for the input Teeger and Pulp , as much as I'd like to keep both , right now its an "either or" situation , can't really support both in my living room . My plasma gets washed out and at times barely watchable with all the drapes open , and I know the PQ will be sub par under those circumstances , I'm just hoping I can see something during that lazy saturday afternoon watching tv . Most viewing will be done after dark with better light control , and I can close the blackout drapes if I want to improve pq of course. It's going to get heavy use , and I'm willing to accept the increased bulb wear to get 90-110" screen ( haven't decided yet , going to experiment to see what is optimal for me) . When I finalize size and throw I'm going to make a ceiling mount boxed and insulated to help block some of the light bleed and fan noise I've heard about , and incorporating some ducting with a remote mounted inline fan to suck the heat away to help prolong its life. It's handy to be in the construction trades sometimes. Thanks again guys
post #4389 of 8500
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

The interference looking flicker is more noticeable when I turn Brilliant Color off. Went to Google's page on the PS3 browser, which is basically a white screen. Couldn't really make the flicker out. Only if I concentrated really hard to look for it. Turned BC of and it was so noticeable that anyone would easily notice it.

The lines stretched the length of the white are and bounced up and down the screen in random areas. It's like showing anything light colored is too much of a strain on the Projector.

Like I said, was most easy to see with clouds, smoke, and fog, but now I see it in every light color, provided it's a big enough area that is a light color. Very annoying. Definitely going to call in the morning and have them swap it out. Don't know if it's the mirrors or the lamp,, or what.


Put the lamp to Normal and see if it's still there.

Jason
post #4390 of 8500
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Put the lamp to Normal and see if it's still there.

Jason

Sorry, should have mentioned this before. I tried Normal and Eco and neither made a difference. The interference or what ever the hell it is, was still there.
post #4391 of 8500
I notice the flicker big time on light backgrounds and I just assumed it was the video noise that has been mentioned here before.

I notice this flicker on other equipment too, most notibly on plasma screens.

If you think this is a defect then I may try and switch projectors as well although my return period has expired.
post #4392 of 8500
I also wanted to mention for people in canada that may want to pick up disnay's WOW disk, canada computers has it on for $15 and you may be able to pricematch with bestbuy although the best buy version is the 2 disk version and canada computers is only 1 disk.
post #4393 of 8500
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Originally Posted by dchabby View Post

I notice the flicker big time on light backgrounds and I just assumed it was the video noise that has been mentioned here before.

I notice this flicker on other equipment too, most notibly on plasma screens.

If you think this is a defect then I may try and switch projectors as well although my return period has expired.

I don't know if we are seeing the same thing or not. I've never seen this on any other display... I take that back.

A better way to describe it may be in terms of Plasma. For those that know about plasma tech, they may have seen this issue associated with the power draw along a particular horizontal area of a plasma.

Have you ever seen something like the green screen that shows before a trailer. It is a green background with white text. The way that plasmas show images is they send current horizontally across the grid. When you have something that requires a lot of power to produce, like the color white, along the same line as something that is dark, the surrounding dark content can get lighter or darker. Case in point on some plasmas (maybe all, but it's obvious on some and not on others) when you view the green screen before a coming attraction on them, the green that is in the same row with the white text is a different shade of green than where there is no text. It creates a slight discoloration in any of the areas that are in that same horizontal row as the text. That's what I see on my W1070.

It will be a horizontal line of varying lengths that is a darker or lighter color than the light content that it is showing up in. For white like on the Google page, it looks like gray horizontal lines. Maybe a 1/4" thick. Maybe less. In the case of the orange background on the AT&T commercial, it was a lighter shade of orange, almost yellow. Where they differ from those aforementioned lines that you get on something like the green trailer screen on a plasma, is that they are not stationary. They jump all over the place within the light content that makes them show up. It's like having those gray lines on white content go on and off, and when they come back they aren't in the exact same place as the last time they showed up. That's what I see. For the most part.

In the case of the clouds on How to Train Your Dragon, they weren't always lines. Sometimes they had a rounded part to them that fit over a rounded part of the cloud. For the most part though, they are just horizontal bars that go off and on randomly in any light content color.

Don't know if that is what you or anyone else sees, but that's what I'm getting and I'll be on the phone with BenQ to get it squared away as soon as I get home.
Edited by Stuntman_Mike - 4/22/13 at 11:03am
post #4394 of 8500
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Don't know if that is what you or anyone else sees, but that's what I'm getting and I'll be on the phone with BenQ to get it squared away as soon as I get home.

I wonder if the DLP chip might be corrupt where the mirrors are either stuck or in bright scenes not opening and closing fully? If it is a chip failure, I wonder if this will be an issue with this model after so many hrs. of use, etc.?

Let us know what BenQ says and suggests . . .

Good luck!

Ian
post #4395 of 8500
That is definitely not normal and if you have confirmed it is not from a particular source/cable then I too would be on the phone with BenQ asap.

Jason
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One question for you guys. I am thinking about getting W1070 and I was just wondering what would be the maximum distance I can mount the PJ to get a 92" screen???? The calculators I have found seem to vary on the issue. I would like to be able to mount it about 12 feet / 6 inches away. But most of the calculators want it placed between 9 and 10 feet maximum. Could you guys verify this for me???
post #4397 of 8500
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One question for you guys. I am thinking about getting W1070 and I was just wondering what would be the maximum distance I can mount the PJ to get a 92" screen???? The calculators I have found seem to vary on the issue. I would like to be able to mount it about 12 feet / 6 inches away. But most of the calculators want it placed between 9 and 10 feet maximum. Could you guys verify this for me???

You will not be able to obtain a 92" image from 12'6".

Jason
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

You will not be able to obtain a 92" image from 12'6".

Jason

Didn´t think so, just wanted to make sure.
Thanks
post #4399 of 8500
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

I wonder if the DLP chip might be corrupt where the mirrors are either stuck or in bright scenes not opening and closing fully? If it is a chip failure, I wonder if this will be an issue with this model after so many hrs. of use, etc.?

Let us know what BenQ says and suggests . . .

Good luck!

Ian

I was thinking that it could be a mirror issue too. I'm not an expert on DLP tech though by any means, so I could be way off base, but the only thing I could think of that could be the cause was the mirrors, or maybe the lamp. Changing lamp power does nothing though to affect the issue.

Hope it isn't an impending thing. I use the PJ as my TV and I have around 400hrs on it.
post #4400 of 8500
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

That is definitely not normal and if you have confirmed it is not from a particular source/cable then I too would be on the phone with BenQ asap.

Jason

Yeah, just counting the hours at work till I can get home lol.
post #4401 of 8500
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Didn´t think so, just wanted to make sure.
Thanks

The calculator on BenQ's site is dead on accurate. What ever you figure out there would be exactly what you can do in real life.
post #4402 of 8500
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Originally Posted by dchabby View Post

I also wanted to mention for people in canada that may want to pick up disnay's WOW disk, canada computers has it on for $15 and you may be able to pricematch with bestbuy although the best buy version is the 2 disk version and canada computers is only 1 disk.

WOW is right! Thank you so much for mentioning the Canada Computers sale. I went to my local Best Buy and showed them the pricing at CC and they give me a better price . . . I got the 2-disc version of WOW at Best Buy for $12.99. I was able to use my Best Buy $20.00 reward certificate to get this and a cheap Blu-ray movie.

Thanks again for sharing the info.!

Ian
post #4403 of 8500
Just got off with BenQ. They were very helpful and didn't give me a hard time at all.

They are sending a new projector to me and I just have to put the old one in the return FedEx. Hopefully it gets here soon.

The issue isn't happning right now. I'm watching things with clouds (Pirates of the Caribbean) to try and make it happen, but it isn't. Tried the Google page too, but it was very faint. Not sure if it's cause the projector was too hot or what yesterday, and now it's just been turned on, but either way, I won't take any chances and I'll swap it out.

I'll let you guys know if it comes back and how the exchange process is.
post #4404 of 8500
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Just got off with BenQ. They were very helpful and didn't give me a hard time at all.

They are sending a new projector to me and I just have to put the old one in the return FedEx. Hopefully it gets here soon.

The issue isn't happning right now. I'm watching things with clouds (Pirates of the Caribbean) to try and make it happen, but it isn't. Tried the Google page too, but it was very faint. Not sure if it's cause the projector was too hot or what yesterday, and now it's just been turned on, but either way, I won't take any chances and I'll swap it out.

I'll let you guys know if it comes back and how the exchange process is.

Hey, Stuntman Mike . . .

First, great to hear that BenQ is customer friendly . . . this is a very good thing.

I mentioned in a post I wrote yesterday that in the manual for the W1070 it mentions that you need to turn up the cooling fan (high altitude) setting when using the projector for more than 10 or 11 hrs. Even if you haven't been using it that long in one sitting, perhaps the projector does do some weird stuff when it's getting close to overheating. If the problem comes back, why not try to see if the high fan cooling setting might help.

Ian
post #4405 of 8500
Stuntman_mike how long have you had the BenQ W1070?
post #4406 of 8500
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

OK , the newegg deal has me right on the brink of getting this PJ , just have a couple questions for the knowledgeable folks in here .l

Oh man, I am posted overseas and was planning to buy a projector this fall while on home leave in the US so that I could hand carry it in my suitcase to my next post. However, now I'm thinking I should just go ahead and order it while it's on sale and then I can ship it with the rest of my stuff. To those who have bought it, is it packaged very securely? APO can sometimes be very rough on packages so I want to make sure it is well packaged (no room to move around within the box or free space within the box that will allow it to be crushed.)

I'm glad I skipped from page 20 of this thread to the last in time to read about the sale!
post #4407 of 8500
Hope that this is not a inclination that when you have so many hours on the PJ it will do what StuntMan wrote a few post before.
post #4408 of 8500
Any chance you can order it through the px? I found out I could special order things they didn't have at my base PX when I dated one of the employees. I was state side and never tried electronics , but it might be an option then you wouldn't have to worry about shipping damage . Another option would be call newegg , you might be able to get them to do some special packaging for you to help pad the PJ .

EDIT: couldn't remember AAFES for a minute , I just checked the AAFES website and didn't see this proj. , so disregard the first part of my post .
Edited by acras13 - 4/22/13 at 8:06pm
post #4409 of 8500
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Originally Posted by seven View Post

Oh man, I am posted overseas and was planning to buy a projector this fall while on home leave in the US so that I could hand carry it in my suitcase to my next post. However, now I'm thinking I should just go ahead and order it while it's on sale and then I can ship it with the rest of my stuff. To those who have bought it, is it packaged very securely? APO can sometimes be very rough on packages so I want to make sure it is well packaged (no room to move around within the box or free space within the box that will allow it to be crushed.)

I'm glad I skipped from page 20 of this thread to the last in time to read about the sale!

Having the unit shipped via the USPS should be okay . . . but like you say, rough handling could do damage regardless of how well packaged a projector is.

I don't know how well a reseller packages the retail box for shipping. But I know that BenQ ships a unit directly they do so using a slightly over sized heavy-duty corrugated box. I've bought projectors in the past where retailers (even Epson directly) simply place the projector in the mail with a label on the retail box - without further protection. Usually the box gets a bit "dinged", but the projector and accessories are usually okay (in my case anyway).

The BenQ W1070 projector comes in a fairly light-duty cardboard box . . . but the projector is well packaged with ample Styrofoam protection. If it were me, I'd take a chance that it will all be okay since I've had Blu-ray players, projectors and other similar things come through the mail in less-than-adequate packaging - and all has been good.

When you get the projector, I'm sure you are going to love what it does for the price - it really is a steal for the price.

Good luck and enjoy!

Ian
post #4410 of 8500
Been lurking for a long time doing homework on projectors. I was going to hold off for a Epson 3020, but at 899.00 shipped on Newegg I could not pass that up. I got a 92" fixed frame screen and this will be my first projector. I figured that this one would be the best one to get my "hands wet" so to speak. I hoping that this will be a nice upgrade from my Sammy C8000 55" TV.
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