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post #4891 of 8507
1. the cable is approx. 16 feet (5 meters)
2. I'll try another cable today (about 10 feet) maybe it will solve the problem (I hope it will)
3. Oppo's manual suggests that you recieve the best perfomance if you connect it with two cables. As oppo uses the qdeo I have a feeling that pio will reduce the quality of video if it is not a direct connection. But thank's I will try this connection as well.
post #4892 of 8507
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Originally Posted by FromRussia View Post

1. the cable is approx. 16 feet (5 meters)
2. I'll try another cable today (about 10 feet) maybe it will solve the problem (I hope it will)
3. Oppo's manual suggests that you recieve the best perfomance if you connect it with two cables. As oppo uses the qdeo I have a feeling that pio will reduce the quality of video if it is not a direct connection. But thank's I will try this connection as well.

You are correct since the Oppo does use the Qdeo and the Pio. would probably reduce the video quality. Using two cables is the best way to go with the Oppo. I missed this in your previous post. See if a shorter cable works. Please let us know how things work out. I would also try changing the cable between the Oppo HDMI two output to the Pio. Under most circumstances a 16' cable should be fine.
post #4893 of 8507
Newbie here with a simple question but for the life of me can't find the answer. Please point me in the right direction...does the 1070 have toslink optical connections? If so, how many? Thanks.
Edited by determined - 5/27/13 at 6:54pm
post #4894 of 8507
Look at page one of this thread for the answer.
post #4895 of 8507
Well, regarding the handshake problem with my oppo and benq w 1070 setup.
I had done the following manipulations.
Disconnected all the sources and connected benq with oppo through HDMI 1. I tried 3 different HDMI cables. Two of them had artifacts even in the service menu (blinking, disconnecting, etc). All video modes switched to Auto. If I change video setting in the oppo’s service menu (for instance change the setting of video output from Auto to 1080p) the projectors goes in a searching mode and says “searching for a signal” and nothing happens. The 3rd cable was better and stable in the service menu but no luck with the video (the projector just goes into searching mode if you choose a video and press “start”) so it’s not just about 3D problems.
After that I connected oppo with pio 922 through HDMI 1 and pio 922 with benq. And actually this kind of connection works perfect. Video plays excellent, the 3D conversion features work, so everything is fine. I can’t say I found the difference in video quality between the connections.
Additionally, in the Russian forum some people say that they experience the same problems with benq w 1070 in other setups, for instance with Dune media player and they suggest to make a connection through HDMI-splitter.
So, that’s it I guess I will stick with the connection through pio. Thanks’ everyone.
post #4896 of 8507
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Originally Posted by determined View Post

Newbie here with a simple question but for the life of me can't find the answer. Please point me in the right direction...does the 1070 have toslink optical connections? If so, how many? Thanks.

Sorry but there are none on the W1070. Don't forget this is a projector not a receiver nor a player so NO toslink here.
post #4897 of 8507
Not sure, if someone already share this, but i though this below table will help to debug any 3D content Playback issues on W1070 and W1080ST

If you are using HDMI input, then following is the support Matrix

3D FramePacking - 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/24P
3D over under - 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/24P
3D Side by side - 1080/50i, 1080/60i
3D Field Sequential - 480i

Unless you set the resolution to these above, the appropriate 3D formats are not enabled in menu and not playable in the projector
post #4898 of 8507
Anyone else do a calibration using the ISF controls? Just curious if the experience was the same on your projector(s). I found that the ISF Night Color Temp tracks more linearly than the Normal temp. Didn't try the ISF Day yet. Probably will for fun, but I don't know that I'd use a Day and Night mode though.
post #4899 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Anyone else do a calibration using the ISF controls? Just curious if the experience was the same on your projector(s). I found that the ISF Night Color Temp tracks more linearly than the Normal temp. Didn't try the ISF Day yet. Probably will for fun, but I don't know that I'd use a Day and Night mode though.

Mike , I don't have the PJ yet , but like annoying people with as many questions as possible to learn about it for when I do buy. Is the ISF night color temp setting you're talking about independent from lamp mode ? I want to set up the best picture possiblebut during daytime I will be fighting a fair amount of ambient light and do not want to create a tomb , so I'll sacrifice the washout during the day . Mostly wondering if the night color tracks flat , would the benifit transfer to my daytime viewing with the lamp on " melt" , then dropped to "eco" or whatever works best for me during dark times , when I expect every bit of the performance I've heard this PJ can put out . Thanks for any input.
post #4900 of 8507
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

Mike , I don't have the PJ yet , but like annoying people with as many questions as possible to learn about it for when I do buy. Is the ISF night color temp setting you're talking about independent from lamp mode ? I want to set up the best picture possiblebut during daytime I will be fighting a fair amount of ambient light and do not want to create a tomb , so I'll sacrifice the washout during the day . Mostly wondering if the night color tracks flat , would the benifit transfer to my daytime viewing with the lamp on " melt" , then dropped to "eco" or whatever works best for me during dark times , when I expect every bit of the performance I've heard this PJ can put out . Thanks for any input.

Those are two mostly unrelated things.

The ISF Night temp is a color temperature. Most displays have a Cool, Normal, Warm (sometimes Warm 2 and 3), color temp. On most displays the Warm temp is the most accurate out of the box. On this PJ though the Normal temp is the most accurate off the bat.

This is my second projector. Had my first replaced for an issue with image distortion when displaying certain content. The replacement was brand new, a little brighter, less video noise, and had the latest firmware and hardware revisions. On the old projector, the ISF controls weren't much help because there was a bug in the 1.04 firmware that didn't allow you to save ISF settings, so I never bothered with it. With the new PJ and the new FW, I decided to play with them. You can't see the ISF Day and Night Color Temps until you unlock the ISF settings menu.

On the old PJ, I needed only make a couple of adjustments and the calibration was dialed in. On this one, it was more work and I could get DeltaE under 1 at every point except 70IRE which had it flare out to a DeltaE of 5. Wouldn't have been noticeable to me, but I couldn't live with it like that so I decided to try the ISF menu. It was after this that I was able to get a linear grayscale with all points on the grayscale under 1 except at 60 where it is around 3. Still want it flatter lol and will tweak some more. Just wanted to know if anyone else had the same issue, because the old PJ was nothing like this. It was very flat in Normal temp everywhere except 0IRE and 100IRE which is typical for many displays.

As for your other questions, I use SmartEco Lamp at all times. I don't find the projector to be too bright with the lights out so I haven't made use of Eco. In the daytime the picture is not going to look as good as it will at night. Just no way around it. Bright areas of the picture will look good, but any dark areas will be washed out to varying degrees.

As far as calibrating grayscale of a specific color temp, I would use the same one whether day or night. Some people like to change the gamma for day and night viewing, but I stick with 2.2. 2.4 does look a little more eye pleasing, but it definitely sacrifices shadow detail. I don't like that trade off too much.
post #4901 of 8507
hello , I just get Benq 1080st smile.gif)
but there was problem with the HDMI cables , I tried 3 deffrint cables and the same things happen no signal .. what can I do ?
post #4902 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Morhf View Post

hello , I just get Benq 1080st smile.gif)
but there was problem with the HDMI cables , I tried 3 deffrint cables and the same things happen no signal .. what can I do ?

Make sure you are on the right input - - HDMI1 or HDMI2 for the BenQ. Toggle up to ensure the connection (from the remote - Source) Try this first.

Otherwise, try your Bluray Player with a direct connection to the BenQ. If you get a signal there - - then if you're going through your Receiver - - you'll have to troubleshoot that.
post #4903 of 8507
Thanks Mike , I appreciate you taking the time .
I know that the two are not directly related ( or think I do) , I just didn't know if they were independently controllable . Might be moot if I can't unlock the ISF on my own . My thought was that if night temp was giving the best PQ I could use that for "optimal" viewing , then if I needed a bump in brightness for daytime viewing , just switch the lamp output instead of changing gamma , color temps etc. and live with that compromise . I will have a better understanding of how it all operates once I have the PJ hanging above me . I may not be grasping some basics on PJ tuning , like I'm assuming you can change lamp mode independent of any other settings , so in your ISF example , night color temp would have the ability to work on eco , smart eco and normal , with only a change in brightness , not in calibration settings.
I really don't expect you to babysit me through my speculations , I appreciate your help and I will be referencing all of this again when I have the w1070 in hand .
post #4904 of 8507
What ceiling mount is everyone recommending for the BenQ w1070?
post #4905 of 8507
What a bummer. Seemed as though you were enjoying it as much as the rest of us. I'd hate to see you give up on such a jewel--when it works! I'll be interested to see what you decide beyond sending it back.
Carl
post #4906 of 8507
I am with you on decision to send it back as I had ended returning it; Projector that I had focusing problem and recall code. I must say it worked great for the time when it worked. I guess am not courageous enough to try second BenQ, I am going with Optoma 25LV
post #4907 of 8507
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

Thanks Mike , I appreciate you taking the time .
I know that the two are not directly related ( or think I do) , I just didn't know if they were independently controllable . Might be moot if I can't unlock the ISF on my own . My thought was that if night temp was giving the best PQ I could use that for "optimal" viewing , then if I needed a bump in brightness for daytime viewing , just switch the lamp output instead of changing gamma , color temps etc. and live with that compromise . I will have a better understanding of how it all operates once I have the PJ hanging above me . I may not be grasping some basics on PJ tuning , like I'm assuming you can change lamp mode independent of any other settings , so in your ISF example , night color temp would have the ability to work on eco , smart eco and normal , with only a change in brightness , not in calibration settings.
I really don't expect you to babysit me through my speculations , I appreciate your help and I will be referencing all of this again when I have the w1070 in hand .

I actually made a mistake on the color temp names. There is an ISF Day and Night mode, but the color temps are ISF 1 and 2. I was going off of memory and little sleep lol.

You are correct, the lamp settings are independent of the color temps. So you could have the lamp set at Normal and color temp at Warm, or any combination of lamp setting (Normal, Eco, SmartEco) and color temp (Cool, Normal, Warm, ISF 1, ISF2, Lamp Native, may be another?).

If the PJ is too bright with the lights out, then I'd say use Eco with the lights out and SmartEco or Normal with them on. I would go with one of the standard modes (Standard, Cinema, User 1, User 2), only because the CMS is easier to understand in the standard picture modes than in the ISF mode. With say User 1, Normal color temp, SmartEco, and going into the CMS and increasing saturation for every color from 50 to 55, you would have an extremely pleasing image, that is fairly accurate out of the box. CMS in the ISF mode (CCA) doesn't have a saturation control. It uses x and y coordinates (like you'd see on a Rec 709 table for the primaries and White) and a gain/luminance control. Lot less that you could screw up in the standard CMS versus the ISF CCA. Just adjust saturation and leave everything else alone.

It's up to you though. Just my recommendation. If you do want to use the ISF modes and you have a PJ with FW 1.05, the code to unlock ISF is Up, Down, Up, Down, Left, Right (no, seriously lol).

Good luck.
post #4908 of 8507
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

My second W1070 has died with 54 hours on the clock. Despite free flowing ventilation the Overtemp alarm goes off minutes after start-up.
My first projector had a significant focus problem but otherwise seemed to work properly.
Not sure I have the patience or confidence to try a third. Back it goes.
Good luck folks.

That sucks. Decision is yours obviously, but I would make BenQ send one more (3rd times the charm?). Doesn't cost you anything and the projector is truly amazing when it works. I also assume that you chose this PJ because it fits your room. Not sure what your your other options are as the throw ratio on this PJ is hard to beat.

Now if you are still within some return window from what ever store you bought it from and you don't want to take anymore chances and just want your money back, I can certainly understand.

Curious, what other PJ you are considering?
post #4909 of 8507
Do we have any decent calibration settings for the Xbox 360 and PS3? I really am struggling to get it looking right.
post #4910 of 8507
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Originally Posted by desibanda View Post

I am with you on decision to send it back as I had ended returning it; Projector that I had focusing problem and recall code. I must say it worked great for the time when it worked. I guess am not courageous enough to try second BenQ, I am going with Optoma 25LV


I liked this PJ too, but the slower color wheel, and RGBYMC config were also concerns. Possibly could see rainbows and colors won't be as accurate. Throw ratio didn't really work either for my room.

RF glasses and extra brightness would be awesome though. Then again, I've never had my glasses lose sync, even when I looked away for several seconds, so.

Good luck.
post #4911 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Ingram View Post

Do we have any decent calibration settings for the Xbox 360 and PS3? I really am struggling to get it looking right.

Not sure what you mean.

The PS3 and XBOX should be your best looking sources. Do you have a test disc? Do you have a colorimeter?

I don't have a 360, but on the PS3, turn on Super White and leave the colorspace (forget exactly what it's called) set to limited (not full). Use the free AVS test disc found in the Display Calibration forum and set your Contrast and Brightness correctly. If you have a meter, calibrate the grayscale. If you don't, select User 1 (or User 2, or Cinema, they are all the same) select color temp Normal (which is pretty accurate) SmartEco lamp, Clarity set to 0, Sharpness set to 7, and increase the saturation for every color in the CMS (under advanced) to 55 (more or less to your taste).

This is as close to perfect as you will get without paying for a meter or professional calibration. It should look really great after this. Adjust gamma in the advanced settings to 2.2 or 2.4 (your choice). If it doesn't look right at this point then you may just not be used to a properly adjusted image.

Adjust for your PS3/BD player ONLY. Never for your cable box which isn't a pristine source.

Let me know if this doesn't help.
post #4912 of 8507
I meant for gaming. Would you use the same settings for BR as gaming?
post #4913 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Ingram View Post

I meant for gaming. Would you use the same settings for BR as gaming?

Yes. If everything is set as close to "correct" as your particular display allows, then there is no reason to change anything. You are seeing what you are supposed to be seeing.

If you aren't happy with what you are supposed to be seeing, then I can't help you with that lol. Adjust it to your heart's content, I guess, but there isn't any suggestions that I could give as that would be unscientific and totally up to what ever you prefer.
post #4914 of 8507
Mike thanks again for further clarification , when I get the unit ( I gotta quit saying that and just get the damn thing) I'll be starting with the basics (CMS) to get a feel for how the adjustments affect this PJ . I will get deeper into it in short order without a doubt because I love tinkering , I'm comfortable with resetting and starting from scratch , and I've played around with the ISF cal on my plasma in conjunction with the spears and munsil calibration blu-ray . I know its no where as good as having a pro calibrate it for me , but I wasn't too far off from S&M before I used it , and can't justify the cost of a pro for my plasma or this PJ. I'm looking forward to experimenting with a pj.
As for the ISF code , thank you for that , but if I don't defeat Sagat with that combo , I'm coming for ya.biggrin.gif
post #4915 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Ingram View Post

I meant for gaming. Would you use the same settings for BR as gaming?

Some people like their games to have a different feel than film/TV. My plasmas "game" mode was almost inentical to "dynamic" , the showroom setting , brightness and contrast cranked way up , colors exaggerated , etc. I played games like that for a while even after calibrating for best PQ within my skillset , but then I played some Black Ops with the calibrated settings and haven't gone back . I occasionally adjust brightness a little depending on my eye fatigue that day, but am FAR happier overall playing games with the same settings as I watch blu-rays. I'd say get the picture calibrated for blu-ray movies , try games that way for a week or two then copy those settings to user two then tweak those settings , so you maintain the best pq on user 1 or whatever.
post #4916 of 8507
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

Mike thanks again for further clarification , when I get the unit ( I gotta quit saying that and just get the damn thing) I'll be starting with the basics (CMS) to get a feel for how the adjustments affect this PJ . I will get deeper into it in short order without a doubt because I love tinkering , I'm comfortable with resetting and starting from scratch , and I've played around with the ISF cal on my plasma in conjunction with the spears and munsil calibration blu-ray . I know its no where as good as having a pro calibrate it for me , but I wasn't too far off from S&M before I used it , and can't justify the cost of a pro for my plasma or this PJ. I'm looking forward to experimenting with a pj.
As for the ISF code , thank you for that , but if I don't defeat Sagat with that combo , I'm coming for ya.biggrin.gif

Lol @ the throwback game code.

You should get a meter. The ColorMunki Display is extremely accurate for a consumer grade colorimeter and is relatively inexpensive. It's a good investment.
post #4917 of 8507
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Originally Posted by Stuntman_Mike View Post

Lol @ the throwback game code.

You should get a meter. The ColorMunki Display is extremely accurate for a consumer grade colorimeter and is relatively inexpensive. It's a good investment.

A meter is in my future, someday. Right now I'm eating ramen and panhandling at freeway off ramps in my spare time to come up with the extra money to buy the pj so the budget for extras is tight. Good news for me is a close friend of mine just told me he has a friend who's a home theater installer, and is looking for am electrician for his house, and I happen to be an electrician. I might have a way to get pro calibration, or borrow a meter.
post #4918 of 8507
It may have been mentioned before I don't have the time to go throught the 160 pages.

Need to make a summary of supported 3D modes.

From HTPC to play mkv:
SBS horizontal: supports 1080i/60hz and 720p/60hz, correct?
OU: supports 720p/60hz. Does it support 1080p/24hz?

From HTPC to play frame packed BR disk from BR drive, should it be 1080i/60hz or 1080p/24hz?
From HTPC to play frame packed BR ISO image, should it be 1080i/60hz or 1080p/24hz?

From BR player to play frame packed BR disk, does the PJ automatically detects 3D mode and switch to 1080p/24hz?
post #4919 of 8507
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Originally Posted by hotjt133 View Post

It may have been mentioned before I don't have the time to go throught the 160 pages.

Need to make a summary of supported 3D modes.

From HTPC to play mkv:
SBS horizontal: supports 1080i/60hz and 720p/60hz, correct?
OU: supports 720p/60hz. Does it support 1080p/24hz?

From HTPC to play frame packed BR disk from BR drive, should it be 1080i/60hz or 1080p/24hz?
From HTPC to play frame packed BR ISO image, should it be 1080i/60hz or 1080p/24hz?

From BR player to play frame packed BR disk, does the PJ automatically detects 3D mode and switch to 1080p/24hz?


I'm really looking forward to all the " why don't you use the search function" posts that are bound to come because you said you didn't have "time". Please next time lie and say you couldn't find the info when you searched, or try the search. http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch?search=+benq+w1070+supported+3d+formats&type=36 . I think that will point you in the right direction.
post #4920 of 8507
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

I'm really looking forward to all the " why don't you use the search function" posts that are bound to come because you said you didn't have "time". Please next time lie and say you couldn't find the info when you searched, or try the search. http://www.avsforum.com/newsearch?search=+benq+w1070+supported+3d+formats&type=36 . I think that will point you in the right direction.


Nice reply and on point.
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