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post #511 of 4939
12/10/12 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by elgriego View Post

Hi and sorry to interfere but will like to share my experience as me and a friend decided to by the same glasses(x2) back in october. There is absolutetly no indication that these work in 144Hz only the word of the seller which personally I do not trust. The quality is way inferior to the Optoma ZD201 and they are very fragile. After 2.5 months one pair stopped working and I am afraid the other will not last any longer. I guess you get what you pay for. They are OK if you just want to try them as back-ups but for everyday use they will last 2-3 months. From my whole experience better save a bit for better dlp glasses, which mind you, are not that much more expensive. From the other side the Optoma keep on rocking hard and the quality of their lens is significantly better and the whole design is sturdier. Just my 2 cents!!!

On the other hand the ZD201 don't support 144Hz and based on what I saw when comparing the ZD201 with the BenQ D3, 144Hz seems better.. I had to send two pairs back to the Amazon UK for refund.
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post #512 of 4939
12/10/12 at 11:31pm
Great, after about 1/2 a dozen posts on how these are a great deal NOW after I ordered a pair comes this post on how they fail after a couple of months...

So where do we get a good set of fair priced glasses??

And on the w1070:

A) Does it have the same setting window, IE does it take up about 1/4 of the screen all the time you adjusting things?

B) Do you have color level control all the time or if not what do you have with what inputs?

C) Do you have tint control as above??

D) Does anyone see any de-interlacing artifacts?

So far no one has answered these questions.

RIch
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post #513 of 4939
12/11/12 at 12:06am
Well it looks like I may have to keep my BenQ MW516 for a while:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BenQ-W1070-Full-1080p-3D-HDMI-v1-4a-DLP-3D-Projector-for-3D-Blu-Ray-Games-/130815465642?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item1e753598aa

US $1,103.00
Buy It Now

So much for the early predictions of UNDER $1000.00.

Rich
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post #514 of 4939
12/11/12 at 12:37am
Import it. In Europe you can buy it for about 614 Euro without tax (approx. $800 plus shipping)
http://geizhals.de/eu/860573
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post #515 of 4939
12/11/12 at 4:50am
Early runs of new models frequently go on sale on Ebay for a premium. The current listed price is probably not indicative of the actual street price, once the retail distribution pipeline gets filled. In a few weeks, I expect this to sell for around $1000. I'm still waiting on more definitive reviews, however.
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post #516 of 4939
12/11/12 at 5:07am
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On the other hand the ZD201 don't support 144Hz and based on what I saw when comparing the ZD201 with the BenQ D3, 144Hz seems better.. I had to send two pairs back to the Amazon UK for refund.

I don't have the w1070 so I don't know but why would you think that you need 144Hz glasses(which I doubt the Sainsonic are 144hz) to work on the W1070. DLP is a standard and the optoma glasses obide to this standard. Do you think the optoma won't work with the Benq W1070 for some reason? Please give me a heads up if they don't because I am interested in this projector. About the Benq glasses I don't know as I never tried them.
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post #517 of 4939
12/11/12 at 5:44am
Optoma ZD201 work great with w1070, but only when using 720p@60Hz (ie : PS3) - If you want your Blu-ray player to work direclty in 1080p 3D, you'll need 144Hz DLP-link glasses because BenQ w1070 has a new DLP chip for Texas instrument, enabling it to have triple flash @ 144hz.

About the Sainsonic glasses : even if manual says 120Hz, it works great in 144Hz (loss in luminosity is important with theses glasses, but you'll just have to activate "normal mode" for your lamp on Benq w1070. In my opinion, it's a great deal for the price - about 30€ on this side of Atlantic)

You can also buy the official BenQ glasses or the Volfoni Edge 1.1+ (tested and approved by users here : http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/benq-w1070-dlp-full-ready-899-euros-test-ligne-t36433.html)

Greetings from France !
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post #518 of 4939
12/11/12 at 5:53am
Well on the Sainsonic Glasses I got my pair from this seller:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSonic-144Hz-3D-DLP-Link-Ready-Universal-Rechargeable-Active-Shutter-Glasses-/180897556929?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item2a1e55a9c1

I feel a little better about the reported failure within a few months because of this:

If item defective in 3 months we will send you a replacement without extra charge, or offer refund upon faulty received.

After 3 months you are still welcomed to send it back to us for exchang.

Buyer may responsible for all return shipping costs.

In case you receive wrong products due to shipping error, please contact us for exchange or refund. If it's damaged , please refuse to accept and contact us as soon as possible.

Guarantee

1. 12 months Manufacturer's Warranty .

2.We guarantee 100% customer satisfaction. If your item is not as described or faulty when you receive it we will replace it for you with no additional charge.

So we at lease have a year to find out.

RIch
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post #519 of 4939
12/11/12 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Spartiatefr View Post

Optoma ZD201 work great with w1070, but only when using 720p@60Hz (ie : PS3) - If you want your Blu-ray player to work direclty in 1080p 3D, you'll need 144Hz DLP-link glasses because BenQ w1070 has a new DLP chip for Texas instrument, enabling it to have triple flash @ 144hz.
About the Sainsonic glasses : even if manual says 120Hz, it works great in 144Hz (loss in luminosity is important with theses glasses, but you'll just have to activate "normal mode" for your lamp on Benq w1070. In my opinion, it's a great deal for the price - about 30€ on this side of Atlantic)
You can also buy the official BenQ glasses or the Volfoni Edge 1.1+ (tested and approved by users here : http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/benq-w1070-dlp-full-ready-899-euros-test-ligne-t36433.html)
Greetings from France !

Thanks for all the interesting info. I am also following the French forum although I miss a lot due to google translation and it gets tiring after a while. Let me ask you will they not work then with the1080p 3D the optoma glasses through 1.4 HDMI? Are they not backward compatible? I find it hard to believe but please let me know as I will try to find different glasses should I decide to buy the w1070.

Edit: I just show the glasses you bought from Amazon.fr . They are not the same like the ones from ebay> well you should know that amazon.co.uk has them but they are not refered to us 144hz. Item model number: Zodiac 203 ASIN: B007PWUQFK
Check the description from the two amazons
AmazonFR:
Use of technology 144Hz of new, advanced generation as the level of other produces 120 Hz

AmazonUK:

Specification:
3D Glasses type Active shutter 3D glasses
Field Rate:120Hz
no mention of 144Hz which makes me think that tthe 120Hz work just fine for this projector even with 1080p 3D. I will keep on looking though.

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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Well on the Sainsonic Glasses I got my pair from this seller:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSonic-144Hz-3D-DLP-Link-Ready-Universal-Rechargeable-Active-Shutter-Glasses-/180897556929?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item2a1e55a9c1
I feel a little better about the reported failure within a few months because of this:
If item defective in 3 months we will send you a replacement without extra charge, or offer refund upon faulty received.
After 3 months you are still welcomed to send it back to us for exchang.
Buyer may responsible for all return shipping costs.
In case you receive wrong products due to shipping error, please contact us for exchange or refund. If it's damaged , please refuse to accept and contact us as soon as possible.
Guarantee
1. 12 months Manufacturer's Warranty .
2.We guarantee 100% customer satisfaction. If your item is not as described or faulty when you receive it we will replace it for you with no additional charge.
So we at lease have a year to find out.
RIch

I know but they cost more to send them back and get new ones and I want to save the money for better quality glasses. It's just me as I have had terrible experienece with cheap chinese products in the past and have now decided to buy only brand name electronics when the price has dropped. I am sure your glasses will be fine you have nothing to worry about. I didn't mean to worry you with my experience but it is what it is. Maybe I have pressed the buttton harder than I should have. wink.gif

Edit: I just saw that your seller was different than mine(which was directly from China) it might be the case that my seller had a bad batch so even better for you. Generally importing directly from china might cause all kinds of rpoblems as stock is not checked the way a US seller will.
Edited by elgriego - 12/11/12 at 11:08am
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post #520 of 4939
12/11/12 at 8:43am
Thanks you did but at lease there is a warranty..worst comes to worst..

And if you check your name brand products I bet you will find they are made in china as well..(Almost everything is now a days...darn it)

Granted in some cases held to a higher standard, but not always, so why pay for the brand name and give them money when you MIGHT bypass them and buy directly from the maker? Cheaper?

Rich

PS I have been following this thread from the beginning and it was reported that the W1070 might come in under $1000.00 and it was reported to be around $800.00.

So My post that $400.00 more may put me out of market is not unfair...to post that is also fair, others may what to know.

Thanks for the link...that is under $1000.00 barely...but until it is for sale a Fry's Electronics where I can try it and if I don't like it return it..I rather NOT use mail order where it will cost me $50.00 to $100.00 to return it, and then wait over a week before I can get a refund and try another unit.

I do wish i could get the answers to my questions about the W1070:
And on the w1070:

A) Does it have the same setting window, IE does it take up about 1/4 of the screen all the time you adjusting things?

B) Do you have color level control all the time or if not what do you have with what inputs?

C) Do you have tint control as above??

D) Does anyone see any de-interlacing artifacts?

So far no one has answered these questions.
Edited by racprops - 12/11/12 at 8:49am
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post #521 of 4939
12/11/12 at 8:49am
Well, i personnaly owns both Optoma ZD201 and Sainsonic glasses :

Optoma ZD201 : work only when 720p@60Hz is detected by BenQ1070 - could not have them work with my BR player in 1080p 3D [problem is that ZD201 only work at 120Hz or below - They can't synchronise with the 144Hz flash of the BenQ 1070 when you watch a movie at 24 frames per sec 1080p 3D]. 3D with BenQ w1070 is really smooth thanks to that 144Hz technology (a multiple of 24).
Sainsonic : work at all resolutions and frequencies.

That said, the 3D@ 720p with Optoma ZD201 is brighter than the one you obtain with Sainsonic (that's why i advice you to active "normal mode" for the lamp when using Sainsonic glasses)

Concerning the differences between Amazon.uk and Amazon.fr, i think you'll have the same glasses as me because ASIN is the same for both products "B007PWUQFK" meaning it's the exact same product, BUT, feel free to ask the seller !

=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Standard_Identification_Number

Sorry for my English, sometimes it's kind of "French English" ^^'
Edited by Spartiatefr - 12/11/12 at 8:59am
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post #522 of 4939
12/11/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by elgriego View Post

Thanks for all the interesting info. I am also following the French forum although I miss a lot due to google translation and it gets tiring after a while. Let me ask you will they not work then with the1080p 3D the optoma glasses through 1.4 HDMI? Are they not backward compatible? I find it hard to believe but please let me know as I will try to find different glasses should I decide to buy the w1070.

Correct. The ZD201 don't work when you output 1080p / 24Hz through HDMI 1.4 to the W1070 because it then uses 144Hz. I tried them and they wouldn't sync, neither would my other pair of 120Hz from ebay. The Benqs were fine and I have to say, 1080p 24Hz w/ 144Hz was much "smoother" to the eyes which is why I send my ZD201 back
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post #523 of 4939
12/11/12 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Spartiatefr View Post

Well, i personnaly owns both Optoma ZD201 and Sainsonic glasses :
Optoma ZD201 : work only when 720p@60Hz is detected by BenQ1070 - could not have them work with my BR player in 1080p 3D [problem is that ZD201 only work at 120Hz or below - They can't synchronise with the 144Hz flash of the BenQ 1070 when you watch a movie at 24 frames per sec 1080p 3D]. 3D with BenQ w1070 is really smooth thanks to that 144Hz technology (a multiple of 24).
Sainsonic : work at all resolutions and frequencies.
That said, the 3D@ 720p with Optoma ZD201 is brighter than the one you obtain with Sainsonic (that's why i advice you to active "normal mode" for the lamp when using Sainsonic glasses)
Concerning the differences between Amazon.uk and Amazon.fr, i think you'll have the same glasses as me because ASIN is the same for both products "B007PWUQFK" meaning it's the exact same product, BUT, feel free to ask the seller !
=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Standard_Identification_Number
Sorry for my English, sometimes it's kind of "French English" ^^'

Yes thank you for your info. I take your word for it that the optoma will not work at 1080p 3D but it is concerning. It shouldn't have happened. If I buy sainsonic again I will do through Amazon only through Amazon. I have had enough bad experiences with Ebay sellers going back on their word having to spend many hours writing emails and complains. With Amazon you just send them back if they become defective and get refund or exhange. I did not buy the ones from Amazon before but the ones from Ebay (only one seller has them) and this where all the problems arise. I might actually give the ones from Amazon a try if I decide to buy the w1070. For now though I will keep my optomas they are very reliable.
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post #524 of 4939
12/11/12 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by mart242 View Post

Correct. The ZD201 don't work when you output 1080p / 24Hz through HDMI 1.4 to the W1070 because it then uses 144Hz. I tried them and they wouldn't sync, neither would my other pair of 120Hz from ebay. The Benqs were fine and I have to say, 1080p 24Hz w/ 144Hz was much "smoother" to the eyes which is why I send my ZD201 back

Thanks for the heads up!!! I will seriously keep this in mind.
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post #525 of 4939
12/11/12 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

answers to my questions about the W1070:
A) Does it have the same setting window, IE does it take up about 1/4 of the screen all the time you adjusting things?
B) Do you have color level control all the time or if not what do you have with what inputs?
C) Do you have tint control as above??
D) Does anyone see any de-interlacing artifacts?

A) No.
B) Maybe, I only use HDMI which does have color control.
C) Possible, don't remember.
D) No, this isn't a business class projector please stop trying to compare em.
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post #526 of 4939
12/11/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

Thanks you did but at lease there is a warranty..worst comes to worst..
And if you check your name brand products I bet you will find they are made in china as well..(Almost everything is now a days...darn it)
Granted in some cases held to a higher standard, but not always, so why pay for the brand name and give them money when you MIGHT bypass them and buy directly from the maker? Cheaper?
.......

I just saw that your seller was different than mine(which was directly from China) it might be the case that my seller had a bad batch or just doesn't check his stock so even better for you. Generally importing directly from china might cause all kinds of problems as stock is not checked the way a US seller will.

Surely everything is made in China now but a Chinese design made in China is completely diffrent that an American brand name design made in China(eg iphone) or any other brand name that has a reputation to uphold.
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post #527 of 4939
12/11/12 at 11:17am
That is true...

And his shipping company IS Amazon right here in Phoenix AZ. (they came in a Amazon box from Amazon..)

All the good that might do me. (His fulfillment company)

I am hopping my new HDMI Cables come today so I can hook the system up via them and remove the SVGA Cables..

Then I can do a test of the 3D play back using 3D movies from Cox and see how well this works out.

I will post my findings with a link to my review of the BenQ MW516.

Rich
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post #528 of 4939
12/11/12 at 11:21am
I noticed this projector can do 120hz at 1280x800. With that being outside of the projectors native resolution, how well does it handle that resolution? Do things get blurry?
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post #529 of 4939
12/11/12 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Spartiatefr View Post

Well, i personnaly owns both Optoma ZD201 and Sainsonic glasses :
Optoma ZD201 : work only when 720p@60Hz is detected by BenQ1070 - could not have them work with my BR player in 1080p 3D [problem is that ZD201 only work at 120Hz or below - They can't synchronise with the 144Hz flash of the BenQ 1070 when you watch a movie at 24 frames per sec 1080p 3D]. 3D with BenQ w1070 is really smooth thanks to that 144Hz technology (a multiple of 24).
Sainsonic : work at all resolutions and frequencies.
That said, the 3D@ 720p with Optoma ZD201 is brighter than the one you obtain with Sainsonic (that's why i advice you to active "normal mode" for the lamp when using Sainsonic glasses)
Concerning the differences between Amazon.uk and Amazon.fr, i think you'll have the same glasses as me because ASIN is the same for both products "B007PWUQFK" meaning it's the exact same product, BUT, feel free to ask the seller !
=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Standard_Identification_Number
Sorry for my English, sometimes it's kind of "French English" ^^'

Can I ask you please(or any other owner) will the W1070 play 1080p SBS via a PC with the 120Hz glasses or just 720p. Do the glasses synchronise with a PC running 1920 * 1080 at 60Hz/50Hz or 24Hz. I mean it is not frame sequantial and a PC doesnt need an HDMI 1.4 to play SBS 1080p so why should the resolution make any diffrence? If anyone can answer this please do.
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post #530 of 4939
12/11/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by mekret View Post

No, this isn't a business class projector please stop trying to compare em.


Agreed!!! The continuous posts about the MW516 is frustrating for the rest of us trying to learn about the W1070.
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post #531 of 4939
12/11/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by elgriego View Post

Can I ask you please(or any other owner) will the W1070 play 1080p SBS via a PC with the 120Hz glasses or just 720p. Do the glasses synchronise with a PC running 1920 * 1080 at 60Hz/50Hz or 24Hz. I mean it is not frame sequantial and a PC doesnt need an HDMI 1.4 to play SBS 1080p so why should the resolution make any diffrence? If anyone can answer this please do.
1080 SBS must be played in 1080i, not 1080p.
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post #532 of 4939
12/11/12 at 2:04pm
Geez those JVC's look fuzzy by comparison.

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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

And here one funny sharpness comparaison between the E-Shift 1 (JVC X70), The E-Shift 2 (JVC X55) and a new budget DLP full hd projector the BenQ W1070 wink.gif
JVC X70 E-SHIFT 1 :
14420-4.jpg
BenQ W1070 :
benqpiqueetlettre.jpg
JVC X55 E-Shift 2 :
jvcpiqu.jpg
BenQ W1070 :
benqw1070piqu.jpg
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post #533 of 4939
12/11/12 at 2:15pm
I got 3D CORP glasses today, tint is very brownish and uncomfortable, optical quality also seems not good. I will return them. Now we have BwnQ D3 and Sainsonic. How good are they in watching for long duration?
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post #534 of 4939
12/11/12 at 2:45pm
I'm really liking my D3s. They cut out enough light so the projector isn't blinding me anymore.
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post #535 of 4939
12/11/12 at 3:32pm
I would point out other than a couple of posts about 3D glasses there has been no new post about the W1070 in three or four pages, other than my questions about the W1070, and yes in comparison with the BenQ projector I got.

I am very serious in trying to compare the two.

I am very serious in trying to find out more about the W1070 and how it is different to the MW516.

The screen shots are the first post on the W1070 in many pages and they are just a recap from page one in this thread.

The two projectors are VERY close in details.

Only differences I can find is the W1070 is 2000 L and the WM516 is 2800L

And the Native Resolution is WXGA (1280 x 800) VS: Native Resolution 1080p (1920 x 1080) for the W1070

Contrast is the same..10,000 to 1

Both will do 1080I and P..

Both do 3D.

The W1070 has two HDMI inputs to one on the WM516.

So how important is the extra native resolution??

Someone said the adjustment screen is not the same but no one has shown what it is like on the W1070.

Everything is compared to something else other wise we have no yard stick.

When I buy anything I want to know how it compares to other things like it, be it tires or cars.

Rich
Edited by racprops - 12/11/12 at 4:05pm
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post #536 of 4939
12/11/12 at 3:44pm
The "adjustment screen" doesn't take up much room at all and can also be moved.
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post #537 of 4939
12/11/12 at 3:51pm
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The "adjustment screen" doesn't take up much room at all and can also be moved.

Do you mean the Menu Screens are small?

Rew
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post #538 of 4939
12/11/12 at 4:03pm
On my WM516 the adjustment screen is about 1/4 of the screen and yes it can be moved to the four corners.

On my old HP when you went into the adjustment screen once you selected one setting to adjust it reduced to just that adjustment all by its self on the bottom of the screen and if you used a up or down button it changed to another adjustment still one bar on the bottom of the screen.

This gives you a much better view of what your changing.

Not a deal breaker but the HP system is nicer.

Rich
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12/11/12 at 4:24pm
So I am somewhat concered about this brightness everyone is talking about. I get my projector tomorrow but dont have a screen. I put in an order to Jamestown , but it wont be filled till January. I contacted James and asked for a price to use the Seymour AT fabric and it is very reasonable. My concern now is am I better off with high contrast .8 gain material or the Seymour 1.2 gain AT. Its not too late to change my order. I have a dedicated room, no windows, dark walls, deep bashe ( sp?) ceiling and carpet.

I do plan on watching 3d movies and sports, plus gaming. Those with the projector or experiance please chime in, this again, is my first projector.

In the mean time I am reading all I can about calibration, seems to make Differential equations classes seem easy.....
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post #540 of 4939
12/11/12 at 4:58pm
Can anyone post a link to where I can buy the new Benq 3D glasses?
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