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post #5251 of 8488
From the w1070 blog review: " The W1070 does have a small amount of physical vertical lens shift, but you need a screw driver to make adjustments. For the horizontal adjustments, BenQ implements software keystone correction. The combination isn’t the worst I’ve seen, and it’s kinda surprising to see physical shift at all on a DLP projector, but it certainly isn’t the best. I was unable to fill my screen with the w1070 in the location that I currently shelf mount my 6500UB, so placement location should not be an after thought if you are thinking about this projector.1.gif
post #5252 of 8488
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Originally Posted by shawxnmr45 View Post

From the w1070 blog review: " The W1070 does have a small amount of physical vertical lens shift, but you need a screw driver to make adjustments. For the horizontal adjustments, BenQ implements software keystone correction. The combination isn’t the worst I’ve seen, and it’s kinda surprising to see physical shift at all on a DLP projector, but it certainly isn’t the best. I was unable to fill my screen with the w1070 in the location that I currently shelf mount my 6500UB, so placement location should not be an after thought if you are thinking about this projector.1.gif

That quote is incorrect, there is no horizontal adjustment of any kind. You have to put the projector center of the screen (or move your screen). For those who need installation flexibility lens shift is the best option. Projectors like the Epson 3020 actually have digital keystone correction for both horizontal and vertical. Not ideal, but Epson does consider it their entry level projector, despite the price tag.
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

2) Lens shift is a physical adjustment of the lens, keystone correction is digital adjustment that can reduce the sharpness of the picture.

May as well explain this as it's important to understand. Lens shift works like a tilt-shift lens in photography (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HRYlJUwzYA). Basically you level the projector and square it to the screen and just move the lens around to place your perfect rectangle image anywhere you want (within limits).

Now, imagine you don't have lens shift and the projector isn't perfectly square on the screen. When you angle the projector to hit the screen, the image will form more of a trapezoid (in each direction you angle it). Think about a flashlight when you're pointing it at a wall directly ahead of you it makes a circle now as you tilt it up/down/left/right the image it produces starts to elongate and produces an oval. Either way, in order to "fix" the trapezoid shape, software correction rescales the image internally. Obviously doing this, you lose perfect pixel mapping, however this is usually pretty hard to see unless there's an extreme amount of keystone correction, you sit close to the screen to see the pixel structure or if you're viewing content which requires perfect pixel mapping (i.e. computer content). It loses sharpness, think of it like displaying a resolution on a monitor which isn't native.
post #5253 of 8488
My Mitsubishi HC3800 has developed a small dust blob after about 3 years of heavy use and I'm very intrigued by the 1070, as a replacement.
Anybody coming from a 3800 have any comments as to picture quality comparisons of these two products? Throw distance isn't a problem as I set it up on a small stool and I'm not, at this time, concerned with 3D.
post #5254 of 8488
Thanks for the responses everyone. At this point, the only decision I've been able to make is to go with the 133" screen, since that's the largest I can go to allow for two rows of seating.

Unfortunately though, I've made no progress on which projector to go with. Seems as though I'm back to two options, the BenQ W1080ST and the Optoma HD25-LV due to the following reasons:

A) Lens shift on the W1070 seems to be a novelty (Manual shift using a screwdriver), so it's probably not worth it. I'll just have to be extremely accurate with my mounting measurements.
B) Since the lens shift of the W1070 isn't really very useful, I might as well include the W1080ST in my choice since the short throw of the W1080 would be better to avoid any image blocking when someone stands up or something.
C) Due to the amount of ambient light that comes into the room from the picture windows (There will probably still be some when we put the blinds up), and I really want to be able to watch football during the day, I'm leaning towards the Optoma HD25-LV for the extra Lumens.


That being said, here are my remaining questions:

1) Has anyone switched from one projector to the other (BenQ to / from the Optoma HD-25 LV)? If so, what were your reasons?
2) Due to the ambient light, should I go with a .8 gain grey screen to help with the light? I would only go this route if I went with the Optoma, due to the extra lumens.
3) Any tips for helping to determine where to place the projector? Laser level?
4) Any good projector mount recommendations for a vaulted ceiling, with long downtube options?

Thanks again everyone!
post #5255 of 8488
I can help with the mount, got this http://www.vogels.com/ppc-1030-projector-ceiling-mount.html#.UdGFQfkwd8E and it's a really good ceiling mount, with possibility to extend even more with additional tubes. Costs a bit though.
post #5256 of 8488
epbb,
I have the W1070 on with all lights on (11 bulbs total) and the image is very watchable. The 1080ST costs more.
post #5257 of 8488
Epbb, look at monoprice.com for mounts. They have great prices and most of their mounts have extension tubes available.
post #5258 of 8488
After watching the UPS guy throw my projector against a wall on Friday, I was scared to death there would be some kind of damage. I woke up on Saturday and started at 8:00am and finished my project by 7:00pm. I hopefully secured my Elite 100H electric screen to the ceiling. I ran wires behind the wall and put in a plug behind the screen. I mounted the projector mount on the ceiling and spent two special hours fishing wire 13'. I finally got my daughter to stick her arm all the way up to her elbow in the ceiling and grab the fish line. I got the projector running and thew in some calibration numbers from this thread. I fired up Avatar 2D and I couldn't believe how great it looked. No rainbows, great colors, and no noise. I may have done way too much research on projectors because I was aware of every complaint ever written about the W1070.

I had 15 people over on Sunday and it was awesome. The screen looks bigger in person than in the photo. I had to demo Avatar, Master And Commander, Jack Reacher, War Of The Worlds, and Wal-E. You couldn't wipe the smile off of my face. FYI, this photo was taken with the lights on and a curtain open and the W1070 still had an excellent picture.
post #5259 of 8488
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Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

After watching the UPS guy throw my projector against a wall on Friday, I was scared to death there would be some kind of damage. I woke up on Saturday and started at 8:00am and finished my project by 7:00pm. I hopefully secured my Elite 100H electric screen to the ceiling. I ran wires behind the wall and put in a plug behind the screen. I mounted the projector mount on the ceiling and spent two special hours fishing wire 13'. I finally got my daughter to stick her arm all the way up to her elbow in the ceiling and grab the fish line. I got the projector running and thew in some calibration numbers from this thread. I fired up Avatar 2D and I couldn't believe how great it looked. No rainbows, great colors, and no noise. I may have done way too much research on projectors because I was aware of every complaint ever written about the W1070.

I had 15 people over on Sunday and it was awesome. The screen looks bigger in person than in the photo. I had to demo Avatar, Master And Commander, Jack Reacher, War Of The Worlds, and Wal-E. You couldn't wipe the smile off of my face. FYI, this photo was taken with the lights on and a curtain open and the W1070 still had an excellent picture.

Glad to hear it all went well Dave. I've just ordered my W1070 and screen on Saturday. Hopefully will be here late this week. Also hoping that my installation won't take as long thanks to my drop ceilings smile.gif
post #5260 of 8488
Great photos you guys are posting of the installs. I've felt odd with my screen being over my door, but it's the best I can do right now and who keeps the door open when watching movies anyway! Was thinking of upgrading to this one or the HD25 and saw the comparison here http://thecreativealternative.com/best-home-theater-projector/ They show the contrast ratio is much higher with the HD25 yet the BenQ still looks better... has anyone noticed them side-by-side in a screening room?
post #5261 of 8488
Saw this review from another post:

http://thecreativealternative.com/best-home-theater-projector/

Now that only compares the W1070 to the HD25. Do you think the extra 1200 lumens in the LV would have made a difference in that comparison?
post #5262 of 8488
Quote:
Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

After watching the UPS guy throw my projector against a wall on Friday, I was scared to death there would be some kind of damage. I woke up on Saturday and started at 8:00am and finished my project by 7:00pm. I hopefully secured my Elite 100H electric screen to the ceiling. I ran wires behind the wall and put in a plug behind the screen. I mounted the projector mount on the ceiling and spent two special hours fishing wire 13'. I finally got my daughter to stick her arm all the way up to her elbow in the ceiling and grab the fish line. I got the projector running and thew in some calibration numbers from this thread. I fired up Avatar 2D and I couldn't believe how great it looked. No rainbows, great colors, and no noise. I may have done way too much research on projectors because I was aware of every complaint ever written about the W1070.

I had 15 people over on Sunday and it was awesome. The screen looks bigger in person than in the photo. I had to demo Avatar, Master And Commander, Jack Reacher, War Of The Worlds, and Wal-E. You couldn't wipe the smile off of my face. FYI, this photo was taken with the lights on and a curtain open and the W1070 still had an excellent picture.

Very, very nice. Clean installation, too! A very warm, inviting HT setup.

Hey, where is my popcorn? You forgot my drink!!! smile.gif
post #5263 of 8488
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Originally Posted by l88bastard View Post

I got another ten hours in with my w1070 and do not note any rainbow effect and I am sensitive to it, so I am very pleased. Right now I am projecting on a beige wall and am very impressed at the color pop, crispness & black level. I would love, love, love to be able to pick up a black diamond screen and see what this thing can really do...unfortunately I dont have two and a half grand burning a hole in my wallet mad.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuCLH8g79Xo
With the extra lumens from the w1070, I think the 0.8 BD will give excellent black and white.
post #5264 of 8488
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

That "review" was superficial at best. Not even sure why they bother printing some of this stuff. The contrast given was manufacturer specs which are virtually useless for making a comparison between brands.
One of the members on this Forum gave a good side by side review just a page or two ago. Very little difference noted in the image brightness or quality. Physical placement is different due to throw ratio and throw angle and the HD25 was a bit quieter. Otherwise not a big difference.

I was really split between the two projectors. They are very similar and I've seen the pictures of both, but not side by side. I doubt if you didn't have them side by side you could tell a difference. The main reason I choose the Benq was the shorter throw of 8'9" for 100 inch screen. The lens shifting, and the bulbs seem to be cheaper. Plus, it was $27 cheaper at the time I ordered. The biggest advantage the Optoma HD25 has is RF glasses for 3d and for some, the longer throw will be an advantage. Both are great projectors for the money.
post #5265 of 8488
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Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I was really split between the two projectors. They are very similar and I've seen the pictures of both, but not side by side. I doubt if you didn't have them side by side you could tell a difference. The main reason I choose the Benq was the shorter throw of 8'9" for 100 inch screen. The lens shifting, and the bulbs seem to be cheaper. Plus, it was $27 cheaper at the time I ordered. The biggest advantage the Optoma HD25 has is RF glasses for 3d and for some, the longer throw will be an advantage. Both are great projectors for the money.

I did a side-by-side review and video in an earlier post smile.gif
post #5266 of 8488

Just thought I would share a darkroom shot from the iPhone. Figured out my problem was a bad HDMI cable.
post #5267 of 8488
I ordered the w1070 today from amazon...lowest price I have seen on it at eight sixty nine! (see slickdeals). Not sure if I will like it or not, but for this price is should be acceptable. Previously owned an Epson 5010 but had to sell it because of a recent move....but now I'm living in a new apartment that can definitely accommodate at least 100"...so I pulled the trigger while trying to save some cash (I had originally planned on getting the Epson 5020) smile.gif

Which projector mount from Monoprice would work best for the w1070?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=3875&seq=1&format=2

or

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=3010&seq=1&format=2
post #5268 of 8488
I bought mine from Amazon for $917, I had them price match at $899. They said they wouldn't be able to price match after that. Today it is $869. DOH!!!!
post #5269 of 8488
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Originally Posted by mikethewxguy View Post

I ordered the w1070 today from amazon...lowest price I have seen on it at eight sixty nine! (see slickdeals). Not sure if I will like it or not, but for this price is should be acceptable. Previously owned an Epson 5010 but had to sell it because of a recent move....but now I'm living in a new apartment that can definitely accommodate at least 100"...so I pulled the trigger while trying to save some cash (I had originally planned on getting the Epson 5020) smile.gif

Which projector mount from Monoprice would work best for the w1070?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=3875&seq=1&format=2

or

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=3010&seq=1&format=2

I'm not sure about those two mounts; however, I installed this mount and it was pretty straight forward and looks good. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=6528&seq=1&format=2
post #5270 of 8488
The monoprice 3010 does not work with some mod. I have similar mount to the 3010 that I used to mount my old Dwin pj but since the W1070 is such a small pj with shorter distance between the three holes, I had to modify it to work.
post #5271 of 8488
For those who bought the W1250 from costco.ca, were you all taxed??
I was seeking for Canada spree service to ship over to my country (Malaysia), and the person charged me 10% service fee from the total amount and she quoted me that it shall be taxed $134.99 CAD from the purchase.
post #5272 of 8488
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Originally Posted by sojodave View Post

I'm not sure about those two mounts; however, I installed this mount and it was pretty straight forward and looks good. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10911&cs_id=1091102&p_id=6528&seq=1&format=2

Thanks for this info. I was looking at this mount, but leery to buy it until I had time to check and make sure it worked with the W1070.
post #5273 of 8488
If you buy that mount, make sure you used the spacers that come with it. At first I was perplexed how to mount it, but the spacers made it fit perfectly.
post #5274 of 8488
I bought, but haven't received the following mount:
http://www.amazon.com/PCMD-Projector-Ceiling-Mount-W1070/dp/B00ABUFCCK

It is specific to the w1070. I needed a mount that kept the projector as close to the ceiling as possible due to having to mount on a soffit. This one puts the projector at 4" from the ceiling. Has good reviews.
post #5275 of 8488
Cheap prices for Australians:

Zettabyte Computers has the W1070 for AU$928 and free post:

http://www.zettabyte.com.au/benq-w1070-3d-dlp-full-hd-home-theatre-projector-nvidia-3d-vision-1080p/

Therefore using Officeworks price matching deal you could get the projector for AU$881 ( i.e. $928 + $0 (free post) = $928 - 5%). This has the advantage of a local return to Officeworks should there be a problem.

Also, if you are looking for a reasonably priced 3 arm fully adjustable mount I found this one Brateck PRB-6 Aluminum Ceiling projector Brackets (ARM-BRA-PRB6) @ AU$17.00 plus $10.50 shipping:

http://www.cplonline.com.au/clearance/brateck-prb-6-aluminum-ceiling-projector-brackets.html

Specifications:

* aluminum ceiling projector brackets
* -15-+15 up and down tilt,360 horizontal swivel
* ceiling profile: 410-560mm
* includes cable through hole
* support projector up to 10kgs

Hope this helps someone, I ordered one yesterday for myself.
Edited by OZReddog - 7/4/13 at 12:22am
post #5276 of 8488
Costco deal-
yes we pay provincial sales tax
which varies from province to province (15% here)
post #5277 of 8488
Quote:
Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

Therefore using Officeworks price matching deal you could get the projector for AU$881 ( i.e. $928 - 5%).

But they only match with price plus postage, if it is an online or interstate shop. Would be close to 900.

That mount is really cheap, however I don't see how its possible to put the wire through it. The top part completely blocked the tube.
post #5278 of 8488
The Banq page says 5 selectable aspects. (16:9) native. Is one of the selectables 2.4:1 CinemaScope? I'd like to run a 2.4:1 screen. But if not at least gave the option to watch on a 16x9. If you have a 2.4:1 screen does it just shoot the velvet with the black bars?
post #5279 of 8488
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Originally Posted by hotjt133 View Post

But they only match with price plus postage, if it is an online or interstate shop. Would be close to 900.

If you read the original post correctly (note that the post gas been amended to make it very clear now) you would have noted:

The postage is FREE = zero, zip, nada, nothing, nil

Therefore the total (including postage) is $928 + $0 (postage according to the site) = $928 - 5% (price match discount) = $881 (from Officeworks)!!

Look at the end of the day, I only mentioned it as it could be of interest to someone, if it isn't then no skin off my back as I already have one and thoroughly enjoying it.
Edited by OZReddog - 7/4/13 at 12:29am
post #5280 of 8488
Quote:
Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

If you read the original post correctly (note that the post gas been amended to make it very clear now) you would have noted:

The postage is FREE = zero, zip, nada, nothing, nil

Therefore the total (including postage) is $928 + $0 (postage according to the site) = $928 - 5% (price match discount) = $881 (from Officeworks)!!

Look at the end of the day, I only mentioned it as it could be of interest to someone, if it isn't then no skin off my back as I already have one and thoroughly enjoying it.

When I bought mine from OW and price matched an online store the shipping price was waived because they had a physical store front. Didn't matter that I was in Vic and the store front in NSW lol.

Might have got a nice OW employee though... YMMV.
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