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post #5371 of 8497
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Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE View Post

Nope, you need a PC or some other gizmo to do that.

Buy this projector, it's a steal for what you get. Which is a LOT. (and will continue to improve)

I can't believe how many people are still spending more than 1k, 2k, 5k for flat panels. Even if their contrast is ten times better, this is still OMG awesome and way better in any shape or form. Even if a 65 inch 4K OLED were available today for 3k, I wouldn't buy it, I'd wait till 4k projectors come out. Puny tvs are too small.

At this price, honestly, I don't see why anybody buys anything else. Ok some people have never had a dream of owning their own movie theater, I guess to each their own.

Yah, I'm coming from an Epson non 3d projector so I definitely know the benefits of a PJ over a TV, and don't see myself switching back at any point. So the 1070 has vertical lens shift, but not horizontal, and from everything I've read it seems like the vertical lens shift isn't a ton right? I saw something about being between 2.5-7.5inches, would you say that's accurate?
post #5372 of 8497
+1, thanks. Fairly straightforward, but helps to read instructions and go slow.
post #5373 of 8497
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Originally Posted by zapper View Post

Thanks for your reply but in the mean time my win-zip is stating that the trial version has expired even thought had bought it??????????

Use 7zip. Best archive tool and is 100% free.
post #5374 of 8497
Ok I'm at the end of my rope with this firmware flash...And I'm a PC tech. So this is nuts.

I am on Windows 8.

USB cable is fine. Tried 2 different ports. I hear windows play the chime when I turn the projector on and off so it knows the connection is there.

I've installed the drivers using compatibility mode, and looks like they installed fine, but I don't see the device there anywhere in device manager when on or off. I never saw Win8 actually detect the projector.

This is a new, unused projector, mind you, haven't fired it up or connected it once yet. Only other cable connected is the power cable and the projector is off.

I installed the flash software and copied the proper TXT file over to it's C drive folder.

Yet,, the projector is not recognized when it's plugged in, and the software doesn't see it. The drivers all seemed to install fine. I rebooted. Tried running in compatibility modes of all sorts. Plugging and unplugging the cable . Even tried to see if the flash software would detect if the projector was on. Still nothing.

What am I missing here? An obvious step? Or is it possible that the flash software just isn't as Win8 friendly for some as for others?
post #5375 of 8497
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

11. Unplug the projector and push the power and auto buttons at the same time. Plug in the projector while holding the buttons. The LED on the projector will turn red if you are in download mode (It must turn red to install the firmware. If it turns orange do this again until you only get the red led) This is very important.

When you say unplug the projector in number 11, I assume you mean unplug the USB cable and not the power cable. Is that correct?
post #5376 of 8497
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

Ok I'm at the end of my rope with this firmware flash...And I'm a PC tech. So this is nuts.

I am on Windows 8.

USB cable is fine. Tried 2 different ports. I hear windows play the chime when I turn the projector on and off so it knows the connection is there.

I've installed the drivers using compatibility mode, and looks like they installed fine, but I don't see the device there anywhere in device manager when on or off. I never saw Win8 actually detect the projector.

This is a new, unused projector, mind you, haven't fired it up or connected it once yet. Only other cable connected is the power cable and the projector is off.

I installed the flash software and copied the proper TXT file over to it's C drive folder.

Yet,, the projector is not recognized when it's plugged in, and the software doesn't see it. The drivers all seemed to install fine. I rebooted. Tried running in compatibility modes of all sorts. Plugging and unplugging the cable . Even tried to see if the flash software would detect if the projector was on. Still nothing.

What am I missing here? An obvious step? Or is it possible that the flash software just isn't as Win8 friendly for some as for others?

You followed these instructions exactly? I added a bit of clarification into a couple points myself, in bold.

0.5 - The projector needs to be turned ON before you start.
1. Write down all your settings before starting an update. (If you do not you will loose all your settings)
2. I suggest that you create a new folder on your desktop called 1070 firmware in the new folder.
3. Download the download tool and unzip it to the new folder.
4. Download the new separate 106 img file to the same folder from the link above.
5. .Install the download tool. It is called DLP composer. Also download the Flash Device Parameters file (It was included in the download already).
5A Copy the Flash Device Parameters.txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer on your C drive.) Use Copy and paste. The folder you want to paste this file to will be on the c drive after you install DLP composer.
6. Open the DLP Composer tool and go to edit-->preferences.
7. When the window opens go to communication and set it to USB
8. Close this window and click on flash loader on the opening screen. A window will open.
8. Put a check beside "Complete Image Download" Also check "Skip Boot loader" Change from default 16kb to 32Kb
9. On the top of the flash loader hit the browse button and go to your folder 106 img file (the actual firmware file in your desktop folder).
10. Insert the USB cable in the min plug on the projector and into your computer. (Wait for the drivers to load. This should take a minute with windows 7 or 8
11. Unplug the projector. Now, push the "power" and "auto" buttons at the same time. Plug in the projector while holding the buttons. The LED on the projector will turn red if you are in download mode (It must turn red to install the firmware. If it turns orange do this again until you only get the red led) This is very important.
12 Click the Reset Bus and Start Download in the DLP Composer program. The upgrade process should take a few minutes. A timer will start telling you how long it will take.
13. Do not unplug anything during the process. When everything completes the LED on the projector will turn to standby orange.
14. Unplug the USB cable and turn the projector on
15 You will have to put all your settings back in and turn source select to auto
16. Instructions are also available in the service manual PDF you downloaded to your folder.
17. Only do this upgrade at your own risk and if you are familiar with doing firmware updates..
18. You do not need the service tool to do the firmware update the firmware and write down your settings.
post #5377 of 8497
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

Ok I'm at the end of my rope with this firmware flash...And I'm a PC tech. So this is nuts.

I am on Windows 8.

USB cable is fine. Tried 2 different ports. I hear windows play the chime when I turn the projector on and off so it knows the connection is there.

I've installed the drivers using compatibility mode, and looks like they installed fine, but I don't see the device there anywhere in device manager when on or off. I never saw Win8 actually detect the projector.

This is a new, unused projector, mind you, haven't fired it up or connected it once yet. Only other cable connected is the power cable and the projector is off.

I installed the flash software and copied the proper TXT file over to it's C drive folder.

Yet,, the projector is not recognized when it's plugged in, and the software doesn't see it. The drivers all seemed to install fine. I rebooted. Tried running in compatibility modes of all sorts. Plugging and unplugging the cable . Even tried to see if the flash software would detect if the projector was on. Still nothing.

What am I missing here? An obvious step? Or is it possible that the flash software just isn't as Win8 friendly for some as for others?

Did you try running in Win 7 compatibility mode? Worked for a couple others.
post #5378 of 8497
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

I hear windows play the chime when I turn the projector on and off so it knows the connection is there.

This is a new, unused projector, mind you, haven't fired it up or connected it once yet. Only other cable connected is the power cable and the projector is off.

So have you actually turned on the PJ yet? Your 2 statement is contradictory. To recognize the USB and install driver, it must be either in firmware upgrade mode (the red LED), or normal operation (when it is projecting images). It won't work in standby mode (the yellow LED).

And in fact, why do you so hastly upgrade it even before you use it? There might be some issues that you need to return, such as focus issues or fan noise. It'd be better to run it for couple of weeks then consider upgrade.
post #5379 of 8497
You guys are awesome. The extra details above helped. I needed to ignore the USB error when I switched to that tab (didn't realize it didn't need to detect the unit at that point). Plus Win7 compatibility mode.

I'll never have known this projector pre-1.06 now. Will I be happy? smile.gif

Oh, and fair point on the upgrade -- I am a tinkerer at heart and knowing all that 1.06 adds I wouldn't have been able to wait, anyway. But now that you mention the potential issues I'll definitely be watching for it after I get it all fired up. Much thanks.
post #5380 of 8497
No, you did mean to unplug the power in step 11 lol.

Did the update. Wasn't difficult. Did get a checksum error during the flash, but quickly figured out that the .img download was corrupt. Redownloaded and tried again, and all was fine.

Haven't tried any of the new 3D stuff. PJ does detect sources noticeably faster though. Good update.

Thanks to RW and RL.
post #5381 of 8497
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Originally Posted by CHIA View Post

You followed these instructions exactly? I added a bit of clarification into a couple points myself, in bold.

0.5 - The projector needs to be turned ON before you start.
1. Write down all your settings before starting an update. (If you do not you will loose all your settings)
2. I suggest that you create a new folder on your desktop called 1070 firmware in the new folder.
3. Download the download tool and unzip it to the new folder.
4. Download the new separate 106 img file to the same folder from the link above.
5. .Install the download tool. It is called DLP composer. Also download the Flash Device Parameters file (It was included in the download already).
5A Copy the Flash Device Parameters.txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer on your C drive.) Use Copy and paste. The folder you want to paste this file to will be on the c drive after you install DLP composer.
6. Open the DLP Composer tool and go to edit-->preferences.
7. When the window opens go to communication and set it to USB
8. Close this window and click on flash loader on the opening screen. A window will open.
8. Put a check beside "Complete Image Download" Also check "Skip Boot loader" Change from default 16kb to 32Kb
9. On the top of the flash loader hit the browse button and go to your folder 106 img file (the actual firmware file in your desktop folder).
10. Insert the USB cable in the min plug on the projector and into your computer. (Wait for the drivers to load. This should take a minute with windows 7 or 8
11. Unplug the projector. Now, push the "power" and "auto" buttons at the same time. Plug in the projector while holding the buttons. The LED on the projector will turn red if you are in download mode (It must turn red to install the firmware. If it turns orange do this again until you only get the red led) This is very important.
12 Click the Reset Bus and Start Download in the DLP Composer program. The upgrade process should take a few minutes. A timer will start telling you how long it will take.
13. Do not unplug anything during the process. When everything completes the LED on the projector will turn to standby orange.
14. Unplug the USB cable and turn the projector on
15 You will have to put all your settings back in and turn source select to auto
16. Instructions are also available in the service manual PDF you downloaded to your folder.
17. Only do this upgrade at your own risk and if you are familiar with doing firmware updates..
18. You do not need the service tool to do the firmware update the firmware and write down your settings.

Thanks for the additions to the instructions I posted. They are really helpful.
post #5382 of 8497
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Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE View Post

Added support for 3D formats:
1280x720p@59/94/60 Hz -- SBS added
1280x720p@50Hz - SBS added
1920x1080p@23.98/24Hz - SBS added
1920x1080p@59.94/60Hz - Top Bottom - added
1920x1080p@50Hz - Top Bottom - added

I tested these 3D modes. And what was a nice surprise is now both SBS and OU are supported in 1080p/60 mode. The above quote did not mention SBS in this mode but it does support. This is a really nice feature, and I don't need to switch screens in PC anymore, regardless of playing 2D, SBS or OU files. I just stick to 1080p/60, and the 3D menu is always enabled. All my previous desktop screen change shortcuts are useless now, which is good smile.gif

Only blu-ray 3D needs 24hz.
post #5383 of 8497
^^
Wow, awesome news. Like you, I am so excited that I can leave my HTPC at 1080p/60Hz for ALL of my mkv ripped movies and it is the best resolution you can get. I am out of town and can't upgrade my pj till Friday. Thanks for pointing that out.
post #5384 of 8497
1080p / 60 SBS was working from the start, wasn't it? Over Under (or Top Bottom, same thing) is the new thing.

Is the auto-detection any better? Or do you have to manually select each mode.
post #5385 of 8497
^^
No, SBS only worked with 1080i/60 before.
post #5386 of 8497
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

You guys are awesome. The extra details above helped. I needed to ignore the USB error when I switched to that tab (didn't realize it didn't need to detect the unit at that point). Plus Win7 compatibility mode.

I'll never have known this projector pre-1.06 now. Will I be happy? smile.gif

Oh, and fair point on the upgrade -- I am a tinkerer at heart and knowing all that 1.06 adds I wouldn't have been able to wait, anyway. But now that you mention the potential issues I'll definitely be watching for it after I get it all fired up. Much thanks.

Hope it turns on , because you voided your warranty before you even checked to see if the PJ functioned . Go big or go home! Personally , I would have gone home and tested the PJ for a week or two , but some are braver than I.
post #5387 of 8497
Upgraded from v1.05 to v1.06 without issue on a Win8 x64 machine. As another poster commented though, the projector was never detected by Windows, nor did I need to install the drivers manually. Just make sure you have all the correct statuses per the manual before you fire away. Thanks to all who have contributed to explaining the process. I can finally watch 3D SBS via XBMC without having to fool with settings.
post #5388 of 8497
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Originally Posted by CHIA View Post

5A Copy the Flash Device Parameters.txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer on your C drive.) Use Copy and paste. The folder you want to paste this file to will be on the c drive after you install DLP composer.
I got every steps down except this one: I understand: copy the Flash Device Parameters.txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer on your C drive.). What I don't understand: The folder you want to paste this file to will be on the c drive after you install DLP composer. So, do I only need to copy and paste FlashDeviceParameters.txt to c:\programfilex86\DLP Composer Lite 11.0.1 folder? or both c:\programfilex86\DLP Composer Lite 11.0.1 folder and the root c:\ drive?

Thanks.
post #5389 of 8497
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

I got every steps down except this one: I understand: copy the Flash Device Parameters.txt file to the DLP composer program file (It is under programs x86 DLP Composer on your C drive.). What I don't understand: The folder you want to paste this file to will be on the c drive after you install DLP composer. So, do I only need to copy and paste FlashDeviceParameters.txt to c:\programfilex86\DLP Composer Lite 11.0.1 folder? or both c:\programfilex86\DLP Composer Lite 11.0.1 folder and the root c:\ drive?

Thanks.
Just the DLP Comp folder.
post #5390 of 8497
I was about to pull the trigger on either the w1070 or w1080st. I really would rather get a short throw projector for my setup.

Does anyone know if the picture quality is different on the w1070 vs the w1080st? I would think since they pretty much took a w1070 and added short throw technology that there would be a disadvantage to the picture quality somehow.

Thanks in advance! smile.gif
post #5391 of 8497
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Originally Posted by THe_Flash View Post

Just the DLP Comp folder.
Thanks for a quick reply.
post #5392 of 8497
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Originally Posted by SoupyFlow View Post

I was about to pull the trigger on either the w1070 or w1080st. I really would rather get a short throw projector for my setup.

Does anyone know if the picture quality is different on the w1070 vs the w1080st? I would think since they pretty much took a w1070 and added short throw technology that there would be a disadvantage to the picture quality somehow.

Thanks in advance! smile.gif

I would imagine the short throw lens might have higher distortion and CA? Hard to know without side by side comparison. This is just a common knowledge when comparing wide angle lens. But my second 1070 is not good in the CA department either, especially in the left extreme side (half a pixel).
post #5393 of 8497
if you get the projector at your door and do the firmware update can you still return it to newegg? your within your 30 days right.


also will this projector do custom resolutions like 1920x800 because im gonna try to us xbmc to control the CIH for a 2:35.1 screen
if i can. I would like to spend the 1200 dollars that a lumagen cost on a 15 in subwoofer.

someone save me 1200 dollars and hook me up with an answer.
post #5394 of 8497
The PJ's native resolution is 1920x1080, so I don't see what's useful of a 1920x800 resolution? Do you want it to strech? Certainly degrade the image. Or leave black bars top and bottom? If so what's the difference compared to set the player's resolution to 1920x1080 and play 2.35:1 contents with black bars. This will cause the black bars outside the screen. Because the PJ will always output a 16:9 images. The only good solution is to let the player to stretch the content from 800 to 1080, then use astrophic lens to squash the whole image down to 2.35:1. Don't even ask how much it will cost smile.gif

I think the resolution of video output should always match the PJ's native resolution.
Edited by hotjt133 - 7/8/13 at 10:47pm
post #5395 of 8497
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Originally Posted by blurayblasta View Post

if you get the projector at your door and do the firmware update can you still return it to newegg? your within your 30 days right.


also will this projector do custom resolutions like 1920x800 because im gonna try to us xbmc to control the CIH for a 2:35.1 screen
if i can. I would like to spend the 1200 dollars that a lumagen cost on a 15 in subwoofer.

someone save me 1200 dollars and hook me up with an answer.

Your answer is in the post with the instructions. Doing the firmware update voids your warranty. You may or may not slide it past newegg if you return , but technically , no you can't return it. You could also turn it into a $1000 paperweight .
post #5396 of 8497
The 106 update was really worth waiting for. 3D auto SBS is really great but the biggest upgrade for me is the improved HDMI handshake with this new firmware..
post #5397 of 8497
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Originally Posted by hotjt133 View Post

I tested these 3D modes. And what was a nice surprise is now both SBS and OU are supported in 1080p/60 mode. The above quote did not mention SBS in this mode but it does support. This is a really nice feature, and I don't need to switch screens in PC anymore, regardless of playing 2D, SBS or OU files. I just stick to 1080p/60, and the 3D menu is always enabled. All my previous desktop screen change shortcuts are useless now, which is good smile.gif

Only blu-ray 3D needs 24hz.

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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

^^
Wow, awesome news. Like you, I am so excited that I can leave my HTPC at 1080p/60Hz for ALL of my mkv ripped movies and it is the best resolution you can get. I am out of town and can't upgrade my pj till Friday. Thanks for pointing that out.

Not sure exactly what you guys are watching on your PCs, but I would assume that some of it is movies, probably from a blu-ray. If that is the case, why would you want to introduce 3:2 pulldown by playing movies at 60hz, rather than match film cadence at 24? Especially since 24hz material would activate the 144hz mode on the projector, which would provide smoother, more film like motion, especially on pans, rather than 3:2 hitching.

Am I missing something?
post #5398 of 8497
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Originally Posted by acras13 View Post

Your answer is in the post with the instructions. Doing the firmware update voids your warranty. You may or may not slide it past newegg if you return , but technically , no you can't return it. You could also turn it into a $1000 paperweight .

If you bricked your projector somehow by trying to update the firmware, I'm sure that BenQ would not help you or honor your warranty. If you have successfully updated the FW and have a mechanical issue with the projector though, I'd be surprised if you wouldn't be able to get service. Might take some slick talking, but again, I'd be surprised if it isn't doable
Edited by Stuntman_Mike - 7/9/13 at 7:22am
post #5399 of 8497
Can anyone recommend an affordable HDMI splitter that will work with 1 2D-Only (Panny Plasma) and 1 3D-Only (W1070) connected to it?

I thought I was covered with the cheapest Monoprice offering, but it appears that when I have my Panasonic 2D TV connected to the splitter as well as the 3D W1070, it won't allow the W1070 to see that it's 3D-capable.
post #5400 of 8497
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Originally Posted by BradP View Post

Can anyone recommend an affordable HDMI splitter that will work with 1 2D-Only (Panny Plasma) and 1 3D-Only (W1070) connected to it?

I thought I was covered with the cheapest Monoprice offering, but it appears that when I have my Panasonic 2D TV connected to the splitter as well as the 3D W1070, it won't allow the W1070 to see that it's 3D-capable.

Are you trying to run both displays at the same time? Does it send 3d when the panny is turned off or its HDMI disconnected? Have you reversed which ports in the splitter your displays are plugged into? Maybe one port sets output for the other and you have the panny plugged into the master, and since its seeing a 2d only device that is what your source is using to determine output for both. Pure speculation on my part though.
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