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post #541 of 8481
I want to clarify some confusion from pages 16 through 18:

  • There is currently no reason to believe the w1070 is a light cannon unless an owner says otherwise.
  • There is currently no reason to believe the w1070 suffers from combing artifacts unless an owner says otherwise.

Many of us will be making a $1000 decision based on this thread so let's stay on topic. Looking forward to reading more commentary on the w1070 smile.gif
Edited by litecannon - 12/12/12 at 12:40am
post #542 of 8481
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

I just got the w1070 today. Wow, it can really throw a big screen from 10ft. I also have the Optoma HD33 in possession and have been comparing the two. The HD33 seems to be a bit more crisp, the configuration out of the box could be better as I havent calibrated either yet. There are two major differences between the two I have noticed...
1. Noise
The HD33 only shows up as 3db quieter on paper, however when using it personally, I find it night and day difference from the w1070. Even comparing the eco modes, the optoma won hands down. The benq is almost loud enough that I would consider a hush box for the quieter scenes. It is directly above my head approx. 3ft.
2. 3D compatibility
For whatever reason, I cant get 3D to work on the w1070. I have tried full sbs .ISO and half sbs mkv files via xbmc, total media theater, and windvd. I just cant get the 3D format to be correct. I dont even have access to 3D function when my resolution is 1920x1080p 60hz on my HTPC. Also, when I lower resolutioun down to 1280, I am able to get some side by side to work. However, when the w1070 goes into 3d mode it emits a very bright red hue... it looks terrible. I cant seem to get rid of it, I have tried all the advanced options. Am I the only one experiences this red tint while only in 3d mode? All of my 3D content is being run on a brand new alienware pc with all the goodies and latest drivers... I am at a loss.
The optoma 3D worked right out of the box... any thing I threw at it would play 3D flawlesly in any resolution. As I said before, all 3D content is being sourced from my HTPC( no 3D blu ray player or ps3).
If someone could please help me solve the 3D issue I am having with the w1070 (cant get anything to play above 720p and when in 3D mode a bright red hue over the whole screen). I will post vids of the noise comparisons between the two and also some vids showing the performance of the w1070.


Thank you so much for this comparison!!! I'm currently very close to buy one of these two PJ''s, so I appreciate any thoughts on how the two compare! For now my decision is in favor of the HD33, especially because of the FI which the BenQ unfortunately lacks. Please keep on posting updates on how the two compare! Thanks!!
post #543 of 8481
ThanksApex82.
I too have pretty much narrowed my 3D projector choices down to the Optoma HD33 & this Benq W1070.
VERY interested to see how they compare to each other.
Keep those reviews coming.
post #544 of 8481
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

I just got the w1070 today.

How are the contrast and blacks compared to HD33?
post #545 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Ring30 View Post

ThanksApex82.
I too have pretty much narrowed my 3D projector choices down to the Optoma HD33 & this Benq W1070.
VERY interested to see how they compare to each other.
Keep those reviews coming.

I am in the same boat and would like more user comparisons between HD33/3300 and the W1070.

Thanks apex82; really looking forward to more info.

Rew
post #546 of 8481
Just to let you know that I almost finished building my grey screen and It looks a lot better in my dark room that with a white material. With the white material, the screen is really too bright even on eco mode with a diagonal size of 110''.

I used silver moleskin spandex over white moleskin spandex and i'm really impressed with the result with this W1070! eek.gif
post #547 of 8481
I have to say it:

Comparing projectors is the only way to find out what is good and bad.

I will now take a hard look at the Optoma HD33/3300..

I am looking for a good 3D projector and the W1070 is starting to look like it may not be the end all.

How does the W1070 handle other 3D movies, the kind that need the glasses?

Looked it up:

Darn Optoma HD33 is a little weak:

Resolution: 1080p
Brightness: 1800 ANSI lumens
Colors: 1.07 billion colors
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 Native, 4:3 and 16:10 Com
Technology: DLP

I LOVE my new BenQ MW516

So bright I am running it on it Enco super saver and it still is bright enough to watch with a normal light on in the room.)Lamp life is predicted to be 6000+ hours at this setting)

And the Blacks seem totally black as midnight.

I am running it on a Daylite 10 foot Dia. white screen.

Personally I feel my projector should be as bright as our two 53 inch DLP and LCD TVs are.

And I am seeing colors I have not seen lately...

Now as soon as I get my HDMI Cables I will test the 3D.

Has anyone tried 3D off a cable system??
Edited by racprops - 12/12/12 at 5:54am
post #548 of 8481
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

The optoma 3D worked right out of the box...

Lol that's how the W1070 is for me. I didn't have to force any custom resolutions or anything like that, the 3D just worked.
post #549 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mekret View Post

Lol that's how the W1070 is for me. I didn't have to force any custom resolutions or anything like that, the 3D just worked.

The same for me after i have bought 144Hz DLP-link glasses. It just worked.
post #550 of 8481
There seems to be a couple of 3D systems..

Side by Side, which is like the old Vue Masters and 3D photos, two complete pictures side by side.

And what looks like double vision with two pictures on top of each another...just slightly off center to each another.

I think the guy whom had problems was trying Side by Side??

What projectors are made to do Side by Side?

Rich
post #551 of 8481
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

There seems to be a couple of 3D systems..
Side by Side, which is like the old Vue Masters and 3D photos, two complete pictures side by side.
And what looks like double vision with two pictures on top of each another...just slightly off center to each another.
I think the guy whom had problems was trying Side by Side??
What projectors are made to do Side by Side?
Rich

I've watched tron in side by side, so I guess this one?
post #552 of 8481
Do you use the glasses for side by side?

Rich

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Originally Posted by mekret View Post

I've watched tron in side by side, so I guess this one?
post #553 of 8481
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Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE View Post

Try 1080p/24 if you can, that should work. (48hz). Might have to set that up as a custom res setting. Are you using NVidia or AMD? The Catalyst custom res settings are not super obvious to find, but not that hard either.

For SBS you need 1080i 50 or 60Hz. Not 1080p 50/60Hz.
post #554 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mart242 View Post

For SBS you need 1080i 50 or 60Hz. Not 1080p 50/60Hz.

Thats why I am confused... The optoma HD33 ran 3d no prob at 1080p with all 3d modes available. For some reason, when creating a custom res at 1080i 50/60hz says its not supported by my display. Therefore, I can not watch any 3D content on the w1070.
post #555 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mekret View Post

Lol that's how the W1070 is for me. I didn't have to force any custom resolutions or anything like that, the 3D just worked.

Are you using an HTPC? If so, what program did you use to view the 3d content? Was it an .MKV or .ISO?
post #556 of 8481
My W1070 and BenQ glasses came yesterday.
Got this to replace my old Optoma HD70 which FINALLY had it's bulb go with something like 6000 hours on it.
At the same time I picked up a Sony BDP-S590 (?) to go with it, Costco is also carrying I think the same thing with different model number.
Tried out the Sony streaming off the media server on my NAS onto my LED TV and for some reason the picture looks way better than
my other media player boxes. Seems to handle everything except ISO's of course.

My first time ordering with NCIX and I am really impressed. Well packed, prompt shipping, seems like they have a good system for notifying you about your orders.

Anyways first impressions.. very bright compared to my old projector. Too bright on 2d even in econo mode, 3d is plenty bright in a dark (not light controlled) room.
Seems quieter but don't have it on the ceiling mount yet. I have a 96" screen but planning on maybe going to a 120" as this can throw a bigger screen from the
same distance compared to my old projector hopefully that will help with the brightness.

3D is kind of interesting to get going. The Sony player has some very nice hidef frame packed streaming 3d demos available if you have > 10Mb internet.
They worked great out of the box along with the 2d->3d conversion feature on one of my blu-rays (also nice as the projector doesn't convert)
3D seemed a little underwhelming at first but it seems to depend a lot on the source content. Some things looked fairly flat and others
jumped out at me. I think maybe a more light controlled room would help without all the visual clutter around the screen.

Where it gets interesting is when you are dealing with other 3d sources. So.. for example to view SBS video on youtube or the internet video search feature
you need to set the player to output 1080i or lower otherwise the SBS option is not available on the projector. That said, the resolution SBS 3d provides
is just not enough for a screen this big. It's like watching video off the internet 10 years ago. Will try it with some SBS mkv files, the streaming
is probably aggravating things although I do regularly achieve 40+ Mbps off the net.
-- update: SBS mkvs are quite watchable about DVD quality which is about what I would expect. Not sure what the deal is with the online content

When I use the DLNA feature to play my MKV files off the media server turning on the 2d->3d conversion on the player gave the projector fits
until I lowered the resolution down to 720p then all was well. Seems like maybe projector needs 720p for top and bottom and this is what the
converter outputs ?

Anyways took me a couple hours to figure it all out and it's kind of a pain to switch your resolution back and forth like that but it all works.
Maybe when I get around to running everything through my receiver I will be able to configure it to switch resolution with a button press but more likely
I will just have more issues. Thought I'd share and maybe save everyone some time fiddling.

Looking forward to someone posting some nice calibration settings to start with.. I think the default settings need some tweaking.
Also I am interested in maybe picking up a filter depending how things go... not sure what size I need?
Edited by Tailslide - 12/12/12 at 9:53am
post #557 of 8481
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

Are you using an HTPC? If so, what program did you use to view the 3d content? Was it an .MKV or .ISO?

.MKV - CyberLink PowerDVD 12 - AMD.

Watching SBS it automatically changes my resolution to 1080 @ 24.
post #558 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mekret View Post

.MKV - CyberLink PowerDVD 12 - AMD.
Watching SBS it automatically changes my resolution to 1080 @ 24.

How does this even work though? The W1070 doesn't support SBS in 1080 @ 24.

post #559 of 8481
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

Thats why I am confused... The optoma HD33 ran 3d no prob at 1080p with all 3d modes available. For some reason, when creating a custom res at 1080i 50/60hz says its not supported by my display. Therefore, I can not watch any 3D content on the w1070.

Not sure why you say that the HD33 ran 3D in 1080p in all modes..

post #560 of 8481
Well recieved my w1070, here in the US, maybe the first one into the states? Anyway I did a quick check to make sure it worked in a conference room at work and it seemed fine. Will play with settings hopefully tonight on a 100" screen I borrowed from work. I will be driving it with my PS3, and have the saisonic 144hz glasses to test with, but no sense trying to calibrate with a temporary pulldown screen and short HDMI until I figure out the room configuration and order permanent mounts etc.

Only initial impressions, and I dont have anything except presentation projectors to compare to. This test was on a dlite pull down presentation screen, maybe 72" width.

- didnt seem overly bright with out of box settings, I certainly wont need sunglasses. at one point it did seem to check down into eco mode or something because it changed on its own after a minute or two, a little concerning, but will read more about it later. checked it with lights off, but did have one window in the room with hall light coming in.

- the fan noise while on a table top wasnt distracting or excessive, I could hear the laptop speak fine...

- I set my laptop svga to output 1920x1080 and the image was crisp and vivid, pictures looked a little more natural in cinema mode, but it was slightly dimmer.

- projector is small for a HT projector. I had seen the Sony hw30es at best buy and it dwarfs this one.

- it comes with a small manual lens cover that hangs from an integrated cord.

I guess thats it, hopefully I dont have a terrible todo list from SWMBO at home tonight, and can get it setup to play some more.

let me know if you have any specific questions, but please remeber I am an extreme noob to "beamers"...
post #561 of 8481
Just a heads up.. the manual calls for M4 - 20 to 25 mm bolts... I bought some 20 and 25s and they were both too long.
Unless you have the world's thickest projector mount you will probably want 15 to 20mm.
post #562 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mart242 View Post

Not sure why you say that the HD33 ran 3D in 1080p in all modes..

Interesting... I can only assume the HD33 could handle switching to the proper 3d resolution automatically... while the w1070 requires the user to play around with drivers and setting a custom resolution before being able to get Side by Side format to work.
post #563 of 8481
My wife just txt me that UPS stopped by but it was cash on delivery? Not sure what is going on. Has anyone else had an issue with this?
post #564 of 8481
For something you paid for??

Rich
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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

My wife just txt me that UPS stopped by but it was cash on delivery? Not sure what is going on. Has anyone else had an issue with this?
post #565 of 8481
Yes, and it was the projector as she said it was coming from Canada. The only thing i can figure is if customs is trying to charge me some kind of tax?
post #566 of 8481
That would be new....

I never have seen a customs bill within the US.

Rich

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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

Yes, and it was the projector as she said it was coming from Canada. The only thing i can figure is if customs is trying to charge me some kind of tax?
post #567 of 8481
No COD on mine that got delivered today. I would call netlink and ask, they are pretty good with support.
post #568 of 8481
So she had to pay for it? How much?

Mine also shows it was just delivered at home and signed by our security staff at the lobby.

So it seems there wasn't any charge for me, or is there any chance they left a bill with it?
Edited by JiMmY912 - 12/12/12 at 1:43pm
post #569 of 8481
Regarding 3D modes and SBS:

Your player should convert SBS to whatever 3D format your display is taking. It will reformat SBS into Top-Bottom for frame packed 1080p 24hz output. If you're having issues, try a different player. I couldn't get PowerDVD to work for me with a Nvidia card and the 1070. I use the Nvidia stereoscopic player for media files, and Windvd for 3D Blurays.


Regarding Customs fees:

As far as I know, UPS has their own customs service. If you import it will go through their service and you will get charged duty fees. Via USPS your package will likely not go through any customs, just security screening. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you shipped UPS ground and did not pay for a more expensive service, UPS will also charge you a brokerage fee.
post #570 of 8481
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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

Yes, and it was the projector as she said it was coming from Canada. The only thing i can figure is if customs is trying to charge me some kind of tax?

If it was coming from Canada it probably was the brokerage fee that UPS charges, which is typically ~$36 (unless you upgrade your shipping with them to a higher option then it's free). Welcome to the pain us Canadians have to deal with getting stuff from the US and why I *NEVER* use UPS to ship things across the boarder, UPS is the worst company in the world. mad.gif
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