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post #6151 of 8481
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post

I am currently determining how far away to mount the projector from the screen. I am looking to have the projector be 11'6" from the screen but can be moved up as close as 10' and as far back as 15'. From looking at the calculators this is too bright for a 106" and just about right for a 120" screen. My seating distance from the screen will be 12'. I think a 120" screen may be a bit too much that close. Ceiling height is 9'.

It seems from the calculators that 22fL seems to be a good brightness. My room has some light during day but is completely dark at night. Walls are asphalt gray but ceiling and wall opposite of screen is a khaki color. I am unable to paint the ceiling or wall opposite screen.


120" would be perfect at 12' imho. I am at 106" at 10ft viewing distance and it's just right. Glad I didn't go with the recommended 92".
post #6152 of 8481
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

120" would be perfect at 12' imho. I am at 106" at 10ft viewing distance and it's just right. Glad I didn't go with the recommended 92".

Thanks, looks like I'll just stick with the 120" then. I kept on seeing recommendations for my viewing distance from calculators and other sites that 106-110 is good but I knew I'd like to have a 120" screen.
post #6153 of 8481
I'm using a 120" Elite with this projector and am sitting at 12ft., all is great and I wouldn't recommend going smaller.
post #6154 of 8481
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Originally Posted by utee05 View Post

Thanks, looks like I'll just stick with the 120" then. I kept on seeing recommendations for my viewing distance from calculators and other sites that 106-110 is good but I knew I'd like to have a 120" screen.

I am very confident you will just be amazed. I was not into 3d at all - even at the movie theater but....This projector does an incredible job with hd and 3d on the "big screen". Enjoy!!
post #6155 of 8481
120" here with seating at 12' and a bar at 15' and we love it. Go big!
post #6156 of 8481
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post

120" would be perfect at 12' imho. I am at 106" at 10ft viewing distance and it's just right. Glad I didn't go with the recommended 92".


I did the 92" screen at 12 feet. While it works well for a while, it starts to feel small. I was able to deal with it but I kept switching my screens from my 92" to a 100" screen I also had. The problem was that my projector was ceiling mounted and it could do 96" max at 12 feet. Now that I have the Benq w1070, I can get that 120" image at 12 feet. I ordered a 120 incher and it arrives tomorrow. It's a fixed frame screen and I know it's going to be a pain to put together but it should be soooo worth it.
post #6157 of 8481
Yup...go big! As big as your room and budget will allow! I'm 15ft back (the PJ) on a 150" Elite Screen and I love it!
post #6158 of 8481
good ,Viewsonic Pro8200 and the Mitsubishi HC4000 seem to be trouble free and last a long time.thanks 25.gif
post #6159 of 8481
I have the benqw1070 and went with a 16:9 100" elite sable screen. I realize now...that a 2:35 might have been a better choice because I am 10' 10" across my wall where the screen is mounted. And although I can't really go any higher on the 7'8" wall, I could have gone wider. I did some calculations and could have gotten the 2:35 scope 125" screen and for tv watching in 16:9, it would have been roughly the same size. Then I would have had the benefit of getting so much more viewing area for the 2:35 movies. Seems that I have a few of those on blu-ray. I do have towers, so I might need to go with a acoustically transparent material (to put them behind the screen). And of course I can get some black strips of felt to cover the extra width for regular tv watching, on the sides (removable/temporary).

Anyone use a scope screen with this pj? How is it across the entire width? Also I couldn't find a throw calculator for 2:35. Anyone have a link for that?

Looks like I could be doing a diy scope screen....in the not so distant future. I was in a rush to get a decent screen for the pj so I bought one instead of diy and went 16:9.



EDIT: Just realized this pj doesn't do 2:35 or anamorphic lenses. Disregard....Looks like I made the correct choice on the screen.
Edited by eah9 - 9/6/13 at 10:14am
post #6160 of 8481
I sit about 11.5 ft from my 110" screen, only have had it for about a month and already regret not getting a 120". Oh well...
post #6161 of 8481
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Nope, in the Benq w7000 you can change it in the Service Menu,but for the w1070 people said it wasn't there. I don't have a w1070 (though a friend had one briefly that I got to play with, before the color wheel speed debate unfortunately), but currently I only have the w7000. Also, the w7000 defaults to 6x in dynamic mode, but 4x in all other modes (but you can force 6x in any mode if you want).

Thanks for the info, coderguy! Sounds like, based on the ability to set color wheel speed and thus improve the ability to avoid rainbows, you would definitely recommend the w7000 over the w1070, no?
post #6162 of 8481
Thanks all for re-assuring me to go with a 120" screen. Since I watch primarly HDTV I am sticking with a 16:9 format and I probably can't fit a 125" 2.35:1 screen due to the width of the case of the electric screen. Just waiting for amazon to get it back in stock so I can get it delivered quicker to me.
post #6163 of 8481
so is the consensus that if you get a lens filter to help reduce brightness that you decrease the chance of RBE? People say they ignore it, but im not sure how that would be possible once you know its there. Thoughts?
post #6164 of 8481
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

so is the consensus that if you get a lens filter to help reduce brightness that you decrease the chance of RBE? People say they ignore it, but im not sure how that would be possible once you know its there. Thoughts?

 

It's true that the brighter the image is the more likely it is that RBE will become visible. RBE is pretty much a 'feature' of single chip DLP PJs. What you have to decide is how important it is in the context of DLP's other benefits. For example, DLP PJs have a reputation for a very sharp image with very good colours. LCD PJs can have a less sharp image (which many still enjoy) and can also suffer from convergence issues due to there being the need to converge three colours (RG and B). LCDs can also have 'screen door effect' which affects some, especially if they sit close to a large screen. If you like a very sharp, clear, colourful image, then DLP will deliver it, but at the expense of occasional RBE. Remember that commercial cinemas use DLP too, which tells us something, but they use 3 chip PJs which don't have RBE.  Once you have seen RBE you will never 'not see' it, but it isn’t all that intrusive. I just ignore it and revel in the great picture quality. If you go looking for RBE you can see it in every scene where the screen is mostly dark, but with a bright highlight. But if you don't specifically look for it, mostly you will not see it. I'd guess I notice it 2 or 3 times in a movie.

 

When LED DLP PJs become available at more sensible prices, RBE will be a thing of the past and we will perhaps have the best of all worlds. 

post #6165 of 8481
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

so is the consensus that if you get a lens filter to help reduce brightness that you decrease the chance of RBE? People say they ignore it, but im not sure how that would be possible once you know its there. Thoughts?

I'll quickly share my experience, as I posted a page or so back. I was very worried about RBE before I bought the projector, and analyzed, read, watched videos about it, etc.. Then I finally bought the projector brought it home and watched a movie, and thought "WOW, what is everyone talking about, I didnt see anything". Several weeks later I began to notice it after I painted my screen and sat analyzing everything about the picture. I rarely see RBE in movies themselves, maybe for a milisecond here or there... When I see it is almost always when the play button is displayed over a black screen. I happened to cut my eyes across the screen and I saw it.. Now I almost sit there shooting my eyes up and down trying to see it.

Last night I decided to play around with brightness and my various settings to see how it affected the RBE. On Eco Mode and Cinema, the RBE was definitely less than on my brighter User 1 and Normal mode. I could definitely see how using a filter would further cut this down, but for my viewing, I wouldnt want it any dimmer than Eco Mode using the default cinema setting. (I do have a gray painted screen though)...
post #6166 of 8481
Really intrigued about going with a projector versus my original plans of a Panasonic plasma. I'm primarily interested in the 1080ST since I can mount it closer, allowing for Kinect/Wii usage. I'm really excited about the prospect of having a huge 100"-120" screen to enjoy PC/console games, sports, and blu ray movies on. However, I do have one MAJOR concern...and that is lighting.

The projector would be installed in my living room. This is a multi-function room, and cannot be a tomb all day because of the projector. So, what kind of lighting can I have one, without completely ruining the picture? Could I install some lighting on either side of the projector? And maybe some additional lighting that won't beam directly on the screen?

Or, must there be a near pitch dark environment?

I want to be able to casually use the projector, without it being a bit production every time somebody wants to watch tv.

An additional concern. This would replace my primary television in the living room. EVERYTHING will be viewed on this thing. Cable TV. Netflix. Hulu. DvD's. Blu Rays. PS3. PC...Judge Judy...EVERYTHING. Is a projector system suitable for everyday viewing?

Thanks.
post #6167 of 8481
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Originally Posted by testament0221 View Post

Really intrigued about going with a projector versus my original plans of a Panasonic plasma. I'm primarily interested in the 1080ST since I can mount it closer, allowing for Kinect/Wii usage. I'm really excited about the prospect of having a huge 100"-120" screen to enjoy PC/console games, sports, and blu ray movies on. However, I do have one MAJOR concern...and that is lighting.

The projector would be installed in my living room. This is a multi-function room, and cannot be a tomb all day because of the projector. So, what kind of lighting can I have one, without completely ruining the picture? Could I install some lighting on either side of the projector? And maybe some additional lighting that won't beam directly on the screen?

Or, must there be a near pitch dark environment?

I want to be able to casually use the projector, without it being a bit production every time somebody wants to watch tv.

An additional concern. This would replace my primary television in the living room. EVERYTHING will be viewed on this thing. Cable TV. Netflix. Hulu. DvD's. Blu Rays. PS3. PC...Judge Judy...EVERYTHING. Is a projector system suitable for everyday viewing?

Thanks.
There really isnt enough information here to make a judgement, Are there windows in the room? Post a picture of the room if you could, someone here might have a similar setup and be able to help.

In my opinion though, this projector is not suited for living room use. I have this in a basement (with a window), and do use it in ambient light (which is why I use a gray screen), but the image is washed out with any light on it. If the window curtain is not closed during the day, the image becomes very washed out, and watching any dark movie would be impossible. Any projector is going to suffer the same fate. They can take some indirect lighting being on at night, but sunlight entering a room is a killer. If you have any windows in the room, and dont plan on drawing your curtains closed during the day, then your performance will not be very good. I'm sure there are some here that may use it in their living rooms, but I doubt a projector is a good choice for that environment for everyday use.
post #6168 of 8481
I have seen some though that have a flat panel on the wall for use during the day, and a motorized screen that lowers in front of the other TV at night to watch movies with the projector.
post #6169 of 8481
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Originally Posted by farleyville View Post

I'll quickly share my experience, as I posted a page or so back. I was very worried about RBE before I bought the projector, and analyzed, read, watched videos about it, etc.. Then I finally bought the projector brought it home and watched a movie, and thought "WOW, what is everyone talking about, I didnt see anything". Several weeks later I began to notice it after I painted my screen and sat analyzing everything about the picture. I rarely see RBE in movies themselves, maybe for a milisecond here or there... When I see it is almost always when the play button is displayed over a black screen. I happened to cut my eyes across the screen and I saw it.. Now I almost sit there shooting my eyes up and down trying to see it.

Last night I decided to play around with brightness and my various settings to see how it affected the RBE. On Eco Mode and Cinema, the RBE was definitely less than on my brighter User 1 and Normal mode. I could definitely see how using a filter would further cut this down, but for my viewing, I wouldnt want it any dimmer than Eco Mode using the default cinema setting. (I do have a gray painted screen though)...

that's reassuring to hear about your experience with the rainbow effect. I spoke to a guy today at visual apex and he said at one point he could never see it until he had a coworker teach him how to find rbe. It sounds like for the most part its not even an issue worth mentioning, bc once you start reading up on it, thats all one begins focusing on. I think too with my controlled lighting in the bsement with no windows that I could dim the brightness and have it still plenty bright.

The sales person did say, however, that he would take the Epson 8350 over the Benq models. He thinks the benq are great projectors, but he thinks you can't beat the service that Epson provides along with the quality they produce. That conflicts with posts I've seen about how the benq destroys the 8350 in terms of quality being that the 8350 is now a three year old machine. I am curious to see how their new model, the 2030, shapes up.
post #6170 of 8481
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Originally Posted by farleyville View Post

There really isnt enough information here to make a judgement, Are there windows in the room? Post a picture of the room if you could, someone here might have a similar setup and be able to help.

In my opinion though, this projector is not suited for living room use. I have this in a basement (with a window), and do use it in ambient light (which is why I use a gray screen), but the image is washed out with any light on it. If the window curtain is not closed during the day, the image becomes very washed out, and watching any dark movie would be impossible. Any projector is going to suffer the same fate. They can take some indirect lighting being on at night, but sunlight entering a room is a killer. If you have any windows in the room, and dont plan on drawing your curtains closed during the day, then your performance will not be very good. I'm sure there are some here that may use it in their living rooms, but I doubt a projector is a good choice for that environment for everyday use.

I do have windows, but they have pretty heavy curtains on them. Controlling sunlight won't be a problem. I mainly would like to have a couple lights on in the living room, arranged in a way that they're not directly shining on the screen, so that the living room is still "usable" while someone is watching TV. But if ANY light whatsoever, even if it's not hitting the scree directly, will completely ruin the picture, then I may need to reconsider.
post #6171 of 8481
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

The sales person did say, however, that he would take the Epson 8350 over the Benq models. He thinks the benq are great projectors, but he thinks you can't beat the service that Epson provides along with the quality they produce. That conflicts with posts I've seen about how the benq destroys the 8350 in terms of quality being that the 8350 is now a three year old machine. I am curious to see how their new model, the 2030, shapes up.

So he didn't choose the Epson based on image quality.
post #6172 of 8481
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Originally Posted by testament0221 View Post

I do have windows, but they have pretty heavy curtains on them. Controlling sunlight won't be a problem. I mainly would like to have a couple lights on in the living room, arranged in a way that they're not directly shining on the screen, so that the living room is still "usable" while someone is watching TV. But if ANY light whatsoever, even if it's not hitting the scree directly, will completely ruin the picture, then I may need to reconsider.

There are two factors you need to b aware here:

1. Sunlight is the BIG killer so if you can control this then you will be okay. Not only does it hurt the picture it also causes the 3D glasses to loose sync.

2. Lights in a room are okay as well, as long as they are not shining onto the screen. They also can cause the 3D glasses to loose sync so just be certain that they do not cast light directly onto 3D glasses.

Just a thought but up lighters may be a better solution so that they throw light up onto parts of the ceiling and therefore indirectly light sections of the room. I have no experience with these so I am not sure.

In our case we have 'task' type lights next to our seats so that if one or the other person wants to read etc. then they can turn on the light and direct the beam down onto their seat. It works well, but it is a compromise.

If you were doing this for every day viewing then ambient or task lights would be fine ..... BUT .... I would not recommend them for a 3D or feature film viewing as they spoil the experience.
post #6173 of 8481
Hmm, that makes me feel a better about investing in a projector. I want to install some soft ambient lighting on either side of the screen, which I think will look nice, and provide illumination for the seating area.

I like your idea about task lighting...I'll implement that in my plans.

Thanks!!!
post #6174 of 8481
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Originally Posted by OZReddog View Post

1. Sunlight is the BIG killer so if you can control this then you will be okay.

Agreed. Australian sunshine is just too bright.

I have a 100% block blind which covers the window far away from the screen, probably at least 6 meters. But the blind does not fully cover the window opening, with about 0.5-1cm gap between the recess frames. If the full sun comes out, it has a huge impact on the black and contrast. This impact is much larger than I turn on a downlight 3 meters from the screen.
post #6175 of 8481
You are right but there are plenty places online you can look that will show you exactly what size image you are going to get at certain distances. Unless it's an impulse buy, research should be done. I don't do $900 impulse buys.
post #6176 of 8481
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Originally Posted by testament0221 View Post

Really intrigued about going with a projector versus my original plans of a Panasonic plasma. I'm primarily interested in the 1080ST since I can mount it closer, allowing for Kinect/Wii usage. I'm really excited about the prospect of having a huge 100"-120" screen to enjoy PC/console games, sports, and blu ray movies on. However, I do have one MAJOR concern...and that is lighting.

The projector would be installed in my living room. This is a multi-function room, and cannot be a tomb all day because of the projector. So, what kind of lighting can I have one, without completely ruining the picture? Could I install some lighting on either side of the projector? And maybe some additional lighting that won't beam directly on the screen?

Or, must there be a near pitch dark environment?

I want to be able to casually use the projector, without it being a bit production every time somebody wants to watch tv.

An additional concern. This would replace my primary television in the living room. EVERYTHING will be viewed on this thing. Cable TV. Netflix. Hulu. DvD's. Blu Rays. PS3. PC...Judge Judy...EVERYTHING. Is a projector system suitable for everyday viewing?

Thanks.

 

Google "screen innovations black diamond".

post #6177 of 8481
3D SBS or 3D OU? Which one is better? Thanks.
post #6178 of 8481
Fry's has this projector on sale for $888.00 this week until Friday.
post #6179 of 8481
This isnt really a sale. It's been on amazon for 889 for a while now.
post #6180 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Cowboys View Post

3D SBS or 3D OU? Which one is better? Thanks.
I go with OU personally. The full resolution across the horizontal axis seems to make the picture look better than halving it with SBS. It's a similar concept shared with SVCDs back in the day, which shared the same horizontal res as a DVD.
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