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post #631 of 5159
12/14/12 at 5:38am
So I am asking now is this true: Does all modern projectors have no color and tint control???

Look: I have only owned three projectors so far, a In focus X1 that had no controls and was dim, then a HP vp6320, which had color and tint control and is 7 years old and has a failing lamp, and now the WM516.

ALL my TVs including a DLP Mitsubishi WD 52628 projector TV (7 years old) and my wife's Sony 50 inch LCD (about 4/5 years old) have color level and tint controls, so why the heck would a projector NOT have these controls??

My latest high end ATI video card in my computer for the first time in the past 15 years NOW has color lever and tint controls so even ATI/AMD now know you need them to adjust different programs sources. (and I have owned high level video cards in the past and this is a first for me.)

Rich

PS I am asking here as this IS THE ONLY active thread concerning BenQ projectors anywhere.

AND I am very interested in the BenQ W1070.
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post #632 of 5159
12/14/12 at 7:30am
Ok, setup my projector last night and here are my thoughts. I used an old pull down screen from work that was 6' wide ( didnt measure diagonal ). I connected to a ps3, watched 2 movies ( watchment and avengers 3d) and played COD black ops II. I used the out of box settings since this is a temp setup. I did try both eco and normal lamps modes and flip through the pre-set pictures modes.

first COD, black ops II multiplayer online, I went 38:14 k/d on my first game, I am ussually a 1:1 kd player, so the input lag is much better than my 55" sony lcd tv in game mode, that was pretty consistent through the 10 or so games I played in different lobbys. I am PSYCHED. playing in 3d multiplayer was smooth and vivid, I am not sure I will play that way all the time, but its a must try, have to log some more time, it will take a little while to get used to...

- saisonic 144hz ebay glasses work fine for 3D, very vivid and in normal mode plenty bright. I dont have benqs to compare to but am happy with these for now, although I do wish the lenses were bigger. There is a button on the top right and you have to click through a few times to get to 144hz then they lock in. Didnt really lose the signal at all once working.
- 3d no flickering at all, 3d was better than anything I have seen at the theatres ( I live near an IMAX, in fact have my hobbit tix for tonight!)
- I didnt find this to be a light cannon or anything, on the old crappy screen images were bright in hd and 3d and 720p ps3 gaming. I wont be getting a grey screen or anything.
- black levels were fine, I definately wouldnt call them inky, but I dont have much to compare too. with the lights off in the room I could definately make out the difference between the screen and true dark, but once movies were playing it wasnt noticable or distracting. Looking at the screen itself, the characters black hair etc, it looked really black, even inky, so not really sure how to judge this.
- I didnt see any RBE, even when looking for it, but I am not particularly sensitive.
- fan was loud, but because this is temp setup, it was on a table less than a foot from me. have to see once its mounted how it is.
- did notice the red flash until the glasses got synced, if you are seeing that I think you are on the wrong frequency for the glasses.

Overall I am psyched, I got the great deal from ncix. I will be logging tons of hours on this thing and cant wait for my screen to arrive so I can really setup the home theatre. SWMBO was very annoyed when I spent the money, and took it all back when I played a couple minutes of movies for her and she is used to watching our 60" Sony LCOS XBR.

hope this helps you all, let me know if you have more questions. I wont get a chance to watch to much tonight 6:30 Hobbit showing smile.gif

ps, anyone on the Boston area want to buy a 60" 3LCD Sony projection smile.gif
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post #633 of 5159
12/14/12 at 7:45am
I can't believe my first post is asking you to refrain talking about your projector in the W1070 thread. It is very annoying reading peoples first impressions of the W1070 with your garbage mixed in.

I am looking forward to purchasing this pj next year. Hopefully the bulb will perform.
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Another thing I am running into is how HDMI overrides all other outputs...

I find if i plug in a HDMI Cable in I lose all other digital outputs, I plugged a HDMI cable into my video card and it overrode my monitor and deferred to my projector cutting it out .

I just found the same thing with my cable box, my TV is fed by Component Video and when I turned it on had no picture or sound until I disconnected the soon to be dammed HDMI cable.

I DO NOT LIKE THIS BEHAVIOR.

I want all my outputs active...


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post #634 of 5159
12/14/12 at 8:07am
And I am getting sick and tired from people whom want to stop my quest to learn about the BenQ W1070 vs other projectors and setting them up and using them.

I too plan on buying a W1070, or was until I learn about some of its lacks and flaws. ( It only has 2000L VS 2800 L in my WM516) Still considering it but I need to consider other makes and models, so IF I have to pay a little more to get the features I want, then I want to learn of them when compared to the W1070.

I keep asking the same questions, does or does not the W1070 have color and tint controls locked out in all but composite and s-video inputs??

AS I can not pick one up at Fry's Electronics and see for my self I am trying to learn all I can and color control is a major part of a systems function to me.

I rather NOT bring one home and then return it used because people here is unwilling to help me figure out if this is the projector for me.

I thought that was why your here, not just to praise it to heaven and not look at any limitations and flaws.

Good God the guy above my post talked about how he hooked his up to his ps3, then compared the W1070 to his 55" sony lcd tv then gave a report on saisonic 144hz ebay glasses.

You did not tell him to only talk about the W1070....

I found that HDMI locks out other outputs and reported that, and ask if other found this happening to their hookup with a W1070 (and other equipment)

I keep learning alot about projectors here, and want to learn more.
Edited by racprops - 12/14/12 at 8:22am
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post #635 of 5159
12/14/12 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

1) Do you find this projector brighter than the Acer or did you have a filter for that as well?
2) How does the fan noise compare to the Acer, basic Eco mode to Eco mode?

1. It's brighter than the Acer, especially in Eco mode. Standard mode is not far apart. I did not use a filter with the Acer.
2. Fan noise is higher overall, but not especially so. On standard mode, I'd say it's louder but the pitch is less annoying. On eco, the Acer was noticeably, but not significantly, quieter.
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post #636 of 5159
12/14/12 at 9:52am
And another comparison with another make and model of projector.

I really do NOT feel I am out of line in my questions..

Rich

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Originally Posted by Nayr2 View Post

1. It's brighter than the Acer, especially in Eco mode. Standard mode is not far apart. I did not use a filter with the Acer.
2. Fan noise is higher overall, but not especially so. On standard mode, I'd say it's louder but the pitch is less annoying. On eco, the Acer was noticeably, but not significantly, quieter.
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post #637 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:17am
Thank you, awest74, and will order the 144hz ebay glasses now. Have one more question. My 3D movies are sbs 720p mkv files stored in an external drive connected to a 3D tv via usb. How to watch the 3D 720p sbs movies on the W1070 which only supports sbs at 1080i50/60? Do I need a media player like the WDTV Live that can output 1080i50/60?
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post #638 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

And another comparison with another make and model of projector.
I really do NOT feel I am out of line in my questions..
Rich

I'm sorry but if you bought the MW516 projector over the w1070 you made a mistake, why would you buy a 1280 x 800 projector instead of a 1080p projector? You say you did it for the brightness? So you bought a projector with a much lower Res more light output? For a home theater room imo that was a mistake.

Now would you please listen to the members in here and stop posting about your projector, obviously you are just confusing people and annoying them.
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post #639 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:36am
The W1070 is not for sale here in the USA.

As I stated earlier the WM516 was to be a fill-in until I can get the W1070.

At first look it seemed I might get by with it. And it is nice and bright. Has great color adn great blacks and plays nice with my computer as well as my cable service. BUT...

BUT Now that I have tried the 3D part of it it is junk. S-video is not watchable even in 3D.

So it goes back under a nice return policy.

NOW the $64,000 is what will I want to replace it with.

So I am now trying to figure out if that will be the W1070.

IT reads like a good possibility IF someone would try different inputs and see if the color and tint controls will work with a input from RGB to YCbCr, other than HDMI??

What is so hard to understand??

Rich

PS One problem is that even BenQ makes dozens of projectors, and so do most of the other projector makers..so I was hoping to get a better idea if the W1070 would work or if there is something just a little better..from you guys.





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Originally Posted by seifer129 View Post

I'm sorry but if you bought the MW516 projector over the w1070 you made a mistake, why would you buy a 1280 x 800 projector instead of a 1080p projector? You say you did it for the brightness? So you bought a projector with a much lower Res more light output? For a home theater room imo that was a mistake.
Now would you please listen to the members in here and stop posting about your projector, obviously you are just confusing people and annoying them.
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post #640 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

On my WM516 the adjustment screen is about 1/4 of the screen and yes it can be moved to the four corners.
On my old HP when you went into the adjustment screen once you selected one setting to adjust it reduced to just that adjustment all by its self on the bottom of the screen and if you used a up or down button it changed to another adjustment still one bar on the bottom of the screen.
This gives you a much better view of what your changing.
Not a deal breaker but the HP system is nicer.
Rich

Please limit your posts in this thread to the Benq 1070 only.
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post #641 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by awest74 View Post

saisonic 144hz ebay glasses work fine for 3D, very vivid and in normal mode plenty bright. I dont have benqs to compare to but am happy with these for now, although I do wish the lenses were bigger. There is a button on the top right and you have to click through a few times to get to 144hz then they lock in. Didnt really lose the signal at all once working.

thanks, just ordered four. When the BenQs go on sale, I'll pick up two more, six should be enough for most movie nights.

ps it seems someone in this thread needs to learn some netiquette and not try to Bogart this discussion with irrelevant nonsense. do the mods read this? some of this is bordering on trollish behavior (added to ignore///sigh, but it's still disruptive and annoying)
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post #642 of 5159
12/14/12 at 10:58am
I have 4 3D glasses, which I will try once I receive my projector on Monday:

- 3D CORP: Brownish tent and uncomfortable, will work as many people said. Run on batteries.
- Sainsonic: Greenish tent and should work.
- 3Active: Very comfortable, light, quality and tint is very neutral and light. Probably wont work unfortunately.
- True Depth: From my experience when I had it with W7000:Very comfortable and unquestionable performance and quality. CS said it work up to 240Hz signal, will see.

If 3Active or True Depth wont work, I will definitely order BenQ glasses.
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post #643 of 5159
12/14/12 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

I have 4 3D glasses, which I will try once I receive my projector on Monday:
- 3D CORP: Brownish tent and uncomfortable, will work as many people said. Run on batteries.
- Sainsonic: Greenish tent and should work.
- 3Active: Very comfortable, light, quality and tint is very neutral and light. Probably wont work unfortunately.
- True Depth: From my experience when I had it with W7000:Very comfortable and unquestionable performance and quality. CS said it work up to 240Hz signal, will see.
If 3Active or True Depth wont work, I will definitely order BenQ glasses.

I look forward to you impressions and comparison to the w7000.
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post #644 of 5159
12/14/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

Please limit your posts in this thread to the Benq 1070 only.
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say Thank You!
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post #645 of 5159
12/14/12 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by racprops View Post

And I am getting sick and tired from people whom want to stop my quest to learn about the BenQ W1070 vs other projectors and setting them up and using them.
I too plan on buying a W1070, or was until I learn about some of its lacks and flaws. ( It only has 2000L VS 2800 L in my WM516) Still considering it but I need to consider other makes and models, so IF I have to pay a little more to get the features I want, then I want to learn of them when compared to the W1070.
I keep asking the same questions, does or does not the W1070 have color and tint controls locked out in all but composite and s-video inputs??
AS I can not pick one up at Fry's Electronics and see for my self I am trying to learn all I can and color control is a major part of a systems function to me.
I rather NOT bring one home and then return it used because people here is unwilling to help me figure out if this is the projector for me.
I thought that was why your here, not just to praise it to heaven and not look at any limitations and flaws.
Good God the guy above my post talked about how he hooked his up to his ps3, then compared the W1070 to his 55" sony lcd tv then gave a report on saisonic 144hz ebay glasses.
You did not tell him to only talk about the W1070....
I found that HDMI locks out other outputs and reported that, and ask if other found this happening to their hookup with a W1070 (and other equipment)
I keep learning alot about projectors here, and want to learn more.

Are the responses to your off topic questions reading on your monitor differently than mine??? You are comparing a conference room projector to a home theater projector and having a childish tantrum when people dont want to hear anymore about a projector NOT MEANT for home theater use in a thread about a NEWLY released projector that IS MEANT for home theater use. You know the reason there is no specific posts about your projector on a HOME THEATER site, quite honestly its garbage for a home theater environment. Go to a tool site and ask why a 10mm ratchet wont take out drywall screws.....please let the rest of the new owners have a productive thread ABOUT THE W1070 or get out???? I am interested in the W1070 and reading through all this garbage about a non related projector is beyond frustrating.

Thanks and have a nice day smile.gif
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post #646 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

If 3Active or True Depth wont work, I will definitely order BenQ glasses.

B&H has a nice price on them for $78.95. I picked up two
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post #647 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:12pm
I didnt think they were in stock at B&H, isnt it just a pre-order?
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post #648 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by awest74 View Post

first COD, black ops II multiplayer online, I went 38:14 k/d on my first game, I am ussually a 1:1 kd player, so the input lag is much better than my 55" sony lcd tv in game mode, that was pretty consistent through the 10 or so games I played in different lobbys. I am PSYCHED. playing in 3d multiplayer was smooth and vivid, I am not sure I will play that way all the time, but its a must try, have to log some more time, it will take a little while to get used to...

Unacceptable Input lag is a potential deal-breaker for me. I'm trying to decide between this model and the HD33, which seems to have acceptable lag for gaming. Has anyone made detailed measurements yet? Thanks for all who have shared impressions so far; I'm reading with great interest.
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post #649 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:32pm
I dont have a CRT tv to do any testing, but I would say it isnt an issue. It is certainly faster than my LCD Tv, My LCOS tv both in game mode. My guess, after having played and reading a TON on other projectos input lag, is that it is about the same as the hd33, in ~35ms range. I too look forward to someone that can test it, or instructions on how to test it without a TV.

Also, since you need to be in 720p to do 3d on black ops, why not just get an optoma 750e? marketed as 0 input lag. I compromised to have 1080p movies and 3d.....I think its worth one frame of lag smile.gif
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post #650 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:54pm
Someone measured it a few pages back, average was 50 ms
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post #651 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:57pm
I had a chance to spend a few hours with this projector last night. Many thanks to Kelvin also an AVS member who invited me over for the unboxing at his home. Both Kelvin and I have had many LCD units and I currently own a JVC so this was our first real test with a DLP home theater projector. Kelvin has a beautiful home theater setup, all sound treated and is using a 106" Dalite High power screen. We tested mostly 3d with bluray iso's and also Black Ops 2 via xbox 360.

We were using a temporary setup projecting off of his couch, the lens shift is very limited and adjusted by using a screwdriver (first I've seen of that). First impressions was a very bright, punchy, sharp image. Did a quick eyeballing of contrast and brightness and brought the sharpness setting down and then got right into 3d. My experience with 3d in the theaters has been limited, I saw Harry Potter last year and left unimpressed. I do however own a LG passive 55" 3d tv and although I do enjoy the odd bit of 3d on it I find the screen too small to be satisfying. I was lucky enough to spend a few hours watching the new Sony HW50es at another member's home a few weeks ago.

This projector does 3d very well. In my opinion much better than the Sony. I believe that LCD/LCOS technology just isn't there yet to do convincing 3d. This little Benq puts up a beautiful 3d image. No ghosting, no flickering, panning is smooth and it is plenty bright. We watched a few scenes from Avatar, Titanic,Hugo,Tangled and I believe the Avengers and I was astounded by the image. Black ops2 was also very good. Much, much better than my LG passive panel.

Contrast and black levels is certainly not on par with my projector but it is by no means a slouch.

So, my pros and cons

Pros: cheap
bright
excellent 3d
very sharp
handles motion very well

Cons: Lens shift is pretty limited
contrast and black levels are no match for my current projector JVC HD250
a little noisy but not objectionable
light leakage from the front
this particular unit had a small dust blob visible in the light path
unfortunately didn't play any of my 3D HSBS files
I did notice the odd rainbow

If it goes back on sale after Xmas I will definitely be picking one up as a 3d, gaming,sports unit to add to my JVC. At $1000 its hard to go wrong.
Edited by scotty144 - 12/14/12 at 1:18pm
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post #652 of 5159
12/14/12 at 12:59pm
they did it with a laptop LCD which isnt accurate.. as far as I know...
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post #653 of 5159
12/14/12 at 1:31pm
I envy you guys. UPS is still holding mine hostage. NCIX has been working with me and did end up paying the brokerage fee. UPS still won't release it until they get money from me. If it doesn't end up getting sent back to Canada. If I do get it soon I will post my thoughts. I am new to projectors but have had a 63" TV for over 2 years.

*This post has been edited so that I don't look like i'm drunk typing anymore! (stupid predictive text on phones).
Edited by socwrkr - 12/14/12 at 6:09pm
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post #654 of 5159
12/14/12 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by CKWells View Post

It may be too early still, but is anyone moving to this projector from a W1000??
If so, could you give a quick note on the relative black levels? That was my only complaint (and to me it's a minor complaint), about the W1000. However my W1000 recently failed, so I'm thinking about getting this projector as a replacement.
Thanks.

I'm gonna answer my own question!! Ordered yesterday, and should have it mid next week. This is in Australia. Then I take my first holiday to NY a few days later... frown.gif I mean, smile.gif

Anyway, I'm super keen to give it a try. Really looking forward to it, and I expect the picture to be noticeably better than my old W1000.
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post #655 of 5159
12/14/12 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by socwrkr View Post

I envy you guys. UPS is still holding mine hostage. NCIX has been working with me and dead end up paying the brokerage fee UP still won still won't release it until they get money from me. i it doesn't end end up gettin getting sent back to Canada. If I do get it suppos and m and my thoughts. new new 2 projectors but not 3d

I think I am in the same boat. It was held in Seattle for 1 week, and now they may ask me for brokerage fee when I hope they deliver it on Monday. I wish I payed 6$ more for FedEx 3-days delivery option.
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post #656 of 5159
12/14/12 at 4:36pm
The thread is about the newly released W1070, not a theoretical comparison. Instead of filling this thread up with what ifs and such versus your model, why not start a new one? It's aggravating having to filter through your issues with your model when I'm trying to decide if I want to purchase the W1070, which I thought thread was about, as per the title.

Ah whatever, I'm gonna have a beer and relax.

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post #657 of 5159
12/14/12 at 4:40pm
Art from projector review posted this today.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/12/14/benq-w1070-a-first-look-projector-review/

Or were we looking for the MW516 review - bah I am so confused eek.gifrolleyes.gif
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post #658 of 5159
12/14/12 at 5:56pm
Relax, I am just reading.
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post #659 of 5159
12/14/12 at 6:29pm
Down to 949.99 at NCIX. Looks like it's time to break out the credit card.
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post #660 of 5159
12/14/12 at 6:37pm
Done...now the impatient waiting begins lol.
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