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post #7651 of 8471
So I'm planning to ceiling mount this and bought the Peerless mount recommended a few pages back (fast moving thread!). Double checking all my measurements, I didn't realize that this projector will be hanging quite low. I was planning for the top of my screen to be about 5'6" off the floor for the middle to be at eye level on my couch. The calculators says the projector needs to hang around 5'9"...which I'll bash my head on. Hmmm.... Any tips or solutions?
post #7652 of 8471
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Originally Posted by bluer101 View Post

My elite screen came with a RJ45 plug with a red and green wire. The red is positive and green negative. I'm not using it but might hook it up later. If i do hook it up I will use a Ethernet cable from screen all the way to the PJ. Then get the mini 3.5 plug from radio shack and wire it from there.

I suppose that's my question: how will you wire CAT5 to 3.5mm jack? Just splice the wire and wire it directly + to + and - to - ?
post #7653 of 8471
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Originally Posted by caseyparsons View Post

So I'm planning to ceiling mount this and bought the Peerless mount recommended a few pages back (fast moving thread!). Double checking all my measurements, I didn't realize that this projector will be hanging quite low. I was planning for the top of my screen to be about 5'6" off the floor for the middle to be at eye level on my couch. The calculators says the projector needs to hang around 5'9"...which I'll bash my head on. Hmmm.... Any tips or solutions?

Have you factored in the vertical lens shift our projector offers? If not, that'll help some.

If you've already factored that in, then your only other way to raise your projector location is to shoot at an angle to the screen and use keystone to correct for the resulting skewed image, but that'll only gain you a modest amount of height and at the sacrifice of considerable image quality.

EDIT: Your numbers suggest you haven't factored in vertical lens shift. So you should be able to mount far closer to the ceiling. Unlike keystone, lens shift at most minimally degrades the image and I wouldn't have any hesitations about using it.
post #7654 of 8471
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Originally Posted by caseyparsons View Post

So I'm planning to ceiling mount this and bought the Peerless mount recommended a few pages back (fast moving thread!). Double checking all my measurements, I didn't realize that this projector will be hanging quite low. I was planning for the top of my screen to be about 5'6" off the floor for the middle to be at eye level on my couch. The calculators says the projector needs to hang around 5'9"...which I'll bash my head on. Hmmm.... Any tips or solutions?

The most comfortable screen height at eye level is from about 1/3rd from the bottom of the screen to half way. So you could just move the screen up by maybe a foot or so to give more headroom as long as the eye level is no less than 1/3 from the bottom. It also depends on seating distance. You dont want to be moving your eyes any more than about 10-15 degrees to see the top of the screen. (10 degrees from eye level to top of screen) You may have to reduce screen size to get a comfortable compromise between screen vertical viewing angle, screen height and projector mount height.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/Verticalviewing.html
Edited by Phatboy69 - 2/3/14 at 6:25pm
post #7655 of 8471
If you have white walls, try projecting on those first to see what height you like. I mounted with my eyes just a bit below 1/3 from the bottom, and to be honest I wish I'd mounted a little lower (and lens shift would easily have accommodated it), looking dead ahead is more relaxing than looking even slightly up, in my experience.
post #7656 of 8471
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Originally Posted by timdafweak View Post

Well, last weekend i tried to play a 1080p Half-SBS rip of Avatar via Plex. With 1.08 installed, SBS was still greyed out as an option, at 1080p 60hz. I had to resort to PowerDVD 13, which automatically changes the refresh rate to match the source which was 24fps in my case.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that firmware version 1.08 enabled H-SBS 1080p 3D playback at 60hz? I even changed the color space to RGB 4:4:4, but that didn't make any difference, SBS was still greyed out. :/ Is there a piece of the puzzle that I am simply not getting?

On a different note, I'll be quite interested to read your experience with SVP and madVR frame interpolation. I tried the former last weekend, to mixed reviews from my wife. To her, it made it look quite unnatural, and "way too TV movie like". Admittedly I was just using SVP settings out of the box, and using the bundled MPC-HC player.

My initial impressions of SVP were also not good. I played with a few settings but I found it looked unnatural as if peoples movements were sped up. I tried 24 to 48 and 24 to 60. I could see some strange artifacts occasionally as well that I found distracting.
I'll have to try a couple more films and different settings before completely ruling it out though.

Also MadVR smooth motion adds too much visible blur to the trailing edge of moving objects for me and I prefer the natural motion blur of 24p when its shot well (with the proper shutter speed), which in most cases it is these days.
It could be useful for poorly shot/edited or mastered 24p films though where the shutter speed wasn't set correctly to remove some judder.

I'll have another look at 1080p 60Hz 3D SBS tonight. I know I did get it to work at least once but I'll confirm what settings were needed. From memory it only works in RGB mode and your video output from the player needs to be set to 60Hz. Its designed for PC use, not BD players.

Here's some good explanations on 24p, judder, motion blur and shutter speed.
http://photography.tutsplus.com/articles/quick-tip-how-does-shutter-speed-affect-video--photo-12092

PS: Im talking about preferring native 24p motion blur at 24p, vs 24p > 48p/60p motion blur with MadVR smooth motion or SVP with 24p>48p/60p Frame Interpolation. Native 24p just looks better to me, and Madshi the developer of MadVR recommends native 24p if your display supports it.
Edited by Phatboy69 - 2/3/14 at 8:37pm
post #7657 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Cerberus83 View Post

I suppose that's my question: how will you wire CAT5 to 3.5mm jack? Just splice the wire and wire it directly + to + and - to - ?

Yep, simple isn't it? Positive will be center of the 3.5 plug and ground is outside.

I just got back from HD with my 2 gang duplex to I can run my screen and pj wires thru the ceiling. I thought about using the trigger but now I'm not. I like using the ir remote to keep it separate from the pj. The screen also comes with a up down stop wall box with ir eye. This plugs into the cat5 jack and allows ir and manual control on wall.

My screen and pj are going to be plugged into my battery backup so I'm piecing together a power solution. I hope my other 25 ft hdmi comes in Wednesday so I can finish the install. Boy I hate wire hanging from the ceiling.
post #7658 of 8471
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Originally Posted by kreeturez View Post

Same here.
My LED TV's don't handle brightness uniformity (with plain-white) much better, so not really complaining.

Actually they don't handle plain-black all that well either! (Edge-lit = brighter corners even on a black image. One-up to the BenQ, then!)

The only time I (barely) notice it on the pj in regular video viewing is with the occasional plain-white subtitles. Though if you do something like browse the web (with plain white backgrounds frequently) it may be a bit distracting.

well, we watch about 90 percent of our movies with subtitles, so that's why it is so annoying to me. it is always 'in my face'. have a Epson tw7200 now to test, and while it definitely shows more contrast I don't find it that much of a difference to the Benq. Movies seem less fluid, and I notice more xtlak in 3D. If only the Benq had a more uniform brightness...
post #7659 of 8471
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Originally Posted by lapino View Post

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Originally Posted by kreeturez View Post

Same here.
My LED TV's don't handle brightness uniformity (with plain-white) much better, so not really complaining.

Actually they don't handle plain-black all that well either! (Edge-lit = brighter corners even on a black image. One-up to the BenQ, then!)

The only time I (barely) notice it on the pj in regular video viewing is with the occasional plain-white subtitles. Though if you do something like browse the web (with plain white backgrounds frequently) it may be a bit distracting.

well, we watch about 90 percent of our movies with subtitles, so that's why it is so annoying to me. it is always 'in my face'. have a Epson tw7200 now to test, and while it definitely shows more contrast I don't find it that much of a difference to the Benq. Movies seem less fluid, and I notice more xtlak in 3D. If only the Benq had a more uniform brightness...

That's saying something considering the higher price of the Epson. Though as a 3LCD, at least rainbows would be invisible (if you notice them in the 1st place); though I guess convergence/sharpness may be a bit worse for it too.

Most of my evening viewing is done with subs also (to not wake the kids wink.gif and as I mention, I still barely notice it :-)

If your media player supports it, what about changing the color of them? Light-Grey instead of white? (Haven't had the need to try this myself but it may produce an improvement?)
post #7660 of 8471
Tried that but it did not improve things a lot. Maybe mine was just a tad worse than normal? Could you take a picture of a movie with white subs to show me?
post #7661 of 8471

Hello everybody, 
 
I know that you already answered 1000 times to these question that i'll ask you but there are alot of pages to search for the answers...

I need help for finding the perfect budget 3d glasses for my Benq w1070 - I found SainSonic-SSZ-200DLB which looks ok but you are the experts and that's why i'm asking you.

The second question is about a mount ceiling solution, if you can recommend any.. 

Thank you guys :) 


Edited by militaru - 2/4/14 at 1:36am
post #7662 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Phatboy69 View Post

...I'll have another look at 1080p 60Hz 3D SBS tonight. I know I did get it to work at least once but I'll confirm what settings were needed. From memory it only works in RGB mode and your video output from the player needs to be set to 60Hz. Its designed for PC use, not BD players.....

I tried again tonight and it definitely supports 1080p 60hz SBS 3D.
You need to be in RGB mode on the projector and also RGB mode on your output source (in my case RGB mode in Nvidia control panel).
You also obviously need to be in 60hz mode on your output source so the projector detects a compatible signal so that it will enable 1080p60hz SBS 3D.

I also played tomb raider in 3D SBS @ 1080p 60hz using tridef 3D and it looks great with a frame rate between 30-60FPS with the GTX760 and game settings on high. smile.gif

I found I actually liked the MADVR smooth motion on Wrath of the Titans in 3D @ 60hz because it smooths some of the 3D judder in the fast motion in that film. I would have thought that native 24p triple flash 144hz 3D would have been smoother than 24p MadVR smooth motion 3D @ 60hz (projector is probably doing double flash 120hz @60hz which is 60hz per eye vs 72hz per eye with triple flash)

Now off to do some more SVP testing.
Edited by Phatboy69 - 2/4/14 at 3:10am
post #7663 of 8471
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Originally Posted by lapino View Post

Tried that but it did not improve things a lot. Maybe mine was just a tad worse than normal? Could you take a picture of a movie with white subs to show me?

Sure; I'll do so this evening for you.

There's always the possibility your sample was a bit worse than regular... you'll let us know!
post #7664 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Phatboy69 View Post

I tried again tonight and it definitely supports 1080p 60hz SBS 3D.
You need to be in RGB mode on the projector and also RGB mode on your output source (in my case RGB mode in Nvidia control panel).
You also obviously need to be in 60hz mode on your output source so the projector detects a compatible signal so that it will enable 1080p60hz SBS 3D.

I also played tomb raider in 3D SBS @ 1080p 60hz using tridef 3D and it looks great with a frame rate between 30-60FPS with the GTX760 and game settings on high. smile.gif

I found I actually liked the MADVR smooth motion on Wrath of the Titans in 3D @ 60hz because it smooths some of the 3D judder in the fast motion in that film. I would have thought that native 24p triple flash 144hz 3D would have been smoother than 24p MadVR smooth motion 3D @ 60hz (projector is probably doing double flash 120hz @60hz which is 60hz per eye vs 72hz per eye with triple flash)

Now off to do some more SVP testing.

PB69, thanks for your detailed posts and for looking into the 1080p SBS. From what you wrote, the crucial setting I forgot was to set the color space to RGB on the projector. I did however set it on my HTPC (via the AMD Catalyst Control Panel), all other things being the same. I will give that a shot tonight and see what I get.

I am rather stoked to read that you had a positive experience with madVR. I didn't even give it a shot, after the negativity from the Mrs towards SVP. Tonight while she works, I will do some extensive testing on my own. Stoked! Good luck on yours, and keep us informed. Your posts here are a fount of knowledge!
post #7665 of 8471
post #7666 of 8471
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Originally Posted by kreeturez View Post

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Originally Posted by lapino View Post

Tried that but it did not improve things a lot. Maybe mine was just a tad worse than normal? Could you take a picture of a movie with white subs to show me?

Sure; I'll do so this evening for you.

There's always the possibility your sample was a bit worse than regular... you'll let us know!

I've spent some time trying to get a shot that demonstrates this on subtitles.
The closest I got was this:
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Not very noticeable on the subs; in person or in picture...

However, we happened to watch another show this evening which had a plain-white background: and here it's pretty obvious:
mabe5aja.jpg

Definite right-side brightness preference. (I'm table-mounted: ceiling would be the reverse).

The reason I'm not complaining (other than how much I like this pj in general and how little it costs) is because my other display devices aren't much better: here's that same shot on my new-ish LG 42" LED TV:
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That's perhaps even less uniform than the projector.
Worse, that LED TV isn't great on plain-black either:
vevy3ypu.jpg

Nearly a year later and I'm still a massive fan of this projector, I guess!
post #7667 of 8471
I think I read somewhere you can try to remove the lamp and put it back again.
post #7668 of 8471
I tried that. That being said, it does look a lot less bad than it was on mine. The difference is on top in your situation, I use it ceiling mounted and this adds to the effect like you said too. Just read about the w1300. If inputlag is the same as the w1070, I think I will buy that one since reviews state it has a better lens.
post #7669 of 8471
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Originally Posted by pennywise666 View Post

its from this site:
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/benq-w1070-3d-dlp-projector-settings
they are nice settings,i use them.

I thought most people were using Withers' settings from this link:

http://www.avforums.com/threads/benq-w1070-reviewer%C2%92s-recommended-best-settings.1761516/

Has anyone compared both?
post #7670 of 8471
My personally calibrated 1070 has values closer to those of the S&V FWIW (for 2D). I also think the 2.2 gamma is too low, but that's more of a personal preference I suppose. The 2.2 setting gives an actual gamma closer to 2.1, whereas the 2.4 setting gives an actual gamma around 2.3.
post #7671 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post

I thought most people were using Withers' settings from this link:

http://www.avforums.com/threads/benq-w1070-reviewer%C2%92s-recommended-best-settings.1761516/

Has anyone compared both?

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Originally Posted by CheYC View Post

My personally calibrated 1070 has values closer to those of the S&V FWIW (for 2D). I also think the 2.2 gamma is too low, but that's more of a personal preference I suppose. The 2.2 setting gives an actual gamma closer to 2.1, whereas the 2.4 setting gives an actual gamma around 2.3.

For mine (without equipment and just by eye), the Withers settings look far better to me than the S & V (I had it running both for a while and would switch back and forth). The Withers settings seem to make a much more natural looking picture and the colors don't seem to be oversaturated, whereas with the S &V settings, I noticed some blue oversaturation, especially on some beginning scenes in the Avengers blu-ray (take a close look at the spear that Loki uses when he first arrives on earth--the blue seems like it should be bright and glowing, but the S & V settings produced banding and too much pop: it didn't glow so much as sizzle with artifacts and grossness). All that being said, I think both produce much better picture than out of the box and unless I'd compared them side-to-side, I don't think that I would've noticed. Just my, non-equipment using 2 cents.

Also, on Gamma, I used to really like a darker gamma, but I much prefer the details that come out when you set it to 2.2 instead of 2.4 That's more my personal preference. And, as these may have variances in individual units: your mileage may vary. (I also don't seem to have the major lighting inconsistencies that others report, or that I've noticed anyway.)
post #7672 of 8471
Hey all, probably a newby question here but I've searched every place both on here and Google and haven't been able to find a definitive answer.

If I ditch the whole 3D thing and just use this projector for normal gaming, will it do 2D at 144hz? In the nVidia control panel I only have an option for 60hz and heard rumors that projectors can only do 60hz due to an HDMI limitation?
post #7673 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Derek Day View Post

Hey all, probably a newby question here but I've searched every place both on here and Google and haven't been able to find a definitive answer.

If I ditch the whole 3D thing and just use this projector for normal gaming, will it do 2D at 144hz? In the nVidia control panel I only have an option for 60hz and heard rumors that projectors can only do 60hz due to an HDMI limitation?
Unless Benq changes things with a firmware update you won't get more than 60hz. I tried custom resolutions and timings upto 144hz and could only get anything less than 60hz working.
post #7674 of 8471
Well my second w1070 came in yesterday, got it up and I have the new remote but Im on firmware 1.06, now to break it in smile.gif

So far I have noticed that the fan is a lot quieter then my older w1070 even with high altitude cooling turned on its quieter, so I wonder if they improved the fan or reduced the RPMs...
post #7675 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Derek Day View Post

Hey all, probably a newby question here but I've searched every place both on here and Google and haven't been able to find a definitive answer.

If I ditch the whole 3D thing and just use this projector for normal gaming, will it do 2D at 144hz? In the nVidia control panel I only have an option for 60hz and heard rumors that projectors can only do 60hz due to an HDMI limitation?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Phatboy69 View Post


Unless Benq changes things with a firmware update you won't get more than 60hz. I tried custom resolutions and timings upto 144hz and could only get anything less than 60hz working.

This is true at 1920x1080, you will not get anything higher than 60hz to work, I tried as well.  But at 1280x720 I got it to work at 120hz interlaced.  But it did register on the projector info menu as 1280x800 @ 120hz.  Although it did display a picture, it did not fill the screen and I'm not sure if this could be resolved with aspect ratio settings or not.

 

I should also mention this is on 1.08 firmware.

 

The way to do it is set up a custom resolution in the "customize" button in the Nvidia control panel.


Edited by flint723 - 2/4/14 at 2:12pm
post #7676 of 8471
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Originally Posted by timdafweak View Post

PB69, thanks for your detailed posts and for looking into the 1080p SBS. From what you wrote, the crucial setting I forgot was to set the color space to RGB on the projector. I did however set it on my HTPC (via the AMD Catalyst Control Panel), all other things being the same. I will give that a shot tonight and see what I get.

I am rather stoked to read that you had a positive experience with madVR. I didn't even give it a shot, after the negativity from the Mrs towards SVP. Tonight while she works, I will do some extensive testing on my own. Stoked! Good luck on yours, and keep us informed. Your posts here are a fount of knowledge!

I couldn't get SVP to work smoothly with my FullHD SBS 3D BD rips because 3840x1080 @ 60hz was too much for my CPU with SVP running. It did work if I set it to H-SBS but the picture was noticeably lower res with less detail on that mode. Unfortunately the Benq wont accept 48hz SBS 3D so SVP seems like a no go for 3D. I'll have another play tonight with 2D 24>60 SVP and see how I go.

Also remember with MadVR, that it won't do anything to the picture unless you have set the GPU display res to 60hz.
So far I think MadVR smooth motion at 60hz is the best option for smoothing 3D with fast action films but I prefer native 24p with 2D and most 3D non-action films.

From some more research I did, it seems that the Benq W1070/1080ST (and other consumer grade single chip DLP projectors) display 24p 2D material at 48hz to eliminate flicker. This is unconfirmed and just speculation that I found on another site.
I can get into service mode on my projector so I'm going to have a poke around while playing some 2D and 3D 24p material tonight and see what else I can uncover.
post #7677 of 8471
okay this may be a silly question due to the cost involved but since the projector has the option has anyone tried this projector with an anamorphic lens?
post #7678 of 8471
Ok, I did a search on FW1.08 and after reading 15mins, I do not see what changes in 1.08? Can someone post what new in 1.08 please? Thanks so much.
post #7679 of 8471
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Originally Posted by Bassoholic View Post

Ok, I did a search on FW1.08 and after reading 15mins, I do not see what changes in 1.08? Can someone post what new in 1.08 please? Thanks so much.

Firmware Changelog History of Benq W1070


Firmware 1.03

Problem-1- To improve the flickering when smart ECO mode + dynamic setting
Problem-2- To add “Background” color in OSD


Firmware 1.04

Problem-1- When at low temperature environment, fan oil would become thickened, cause rotational speed of
fan can’t reach target then shut down.
Problem-2- Keystone bug: When playing 3D (Frame packing), and then switch to 2D, and keystone value
can’t be kept.


Firmware 1.05

Problem-1- ISF setting cannot be saved
Problem-2- compatibility problem for some unique 3D DVD players(Philips)
Problem-3- OSD Swedish language of ”on& off” wrong translation


Firmware 1.06

Fixes:
-1- Hg bridge problem symptom: can’t turn on a projector, but NDF after transportation; few cases found in BQC.
There is Hg (Mercury) in a lamp bulb. Whenever the liquid mercury make the Short-circuit of electrodes of the lamp, the unit can’t
be turn on. To change the cooling status and lamp ignition behavior can make mercury condense at different locations of a bulb.
Due to Hg (Mercury) changing the location in lamp bulbs during transportation, it will be NDF in ASP.
-2- To improve power-on while system initializing
-3- To improve Philips DVD compatibility issue(BQC)
-4- Add 3D format as appendix
-5- Adjust Audio Curve for BQjp
-6- Japanese OSD correction for Cool and Warm (BQjp)
-7-To enhance HDMI searching speed
-8- To update RC code for new remote RCV011
-9- To modify the gain value to improve HDMI signal searching ability
-10- To add model name W1250 in Factory OSD (only W1070)

Added support for 3D formats:
1280x720p@59/94/60 Hz -- SBS added
1280x720p@50Hz - SBS added
1920x1080p@23.98/24Hz - SBS added
1920x1080p@59.94/60Hz - Top Bottom - added
1920x1080p@50Hz - Top Bottom - added


Firmware 1.07

- ISF Night setting can’t be keep after 2D->3D timing changed
- To keep lamp hour after “reset all setting in USE OSD”
- To improve the 32 gray level via PS3 HDMI
- Modify picture mode of “power off” icon
- Modify HSG setting in No signal condition


Firmware 1.08

- Noise improvement / 1080p greenish problem via HDMI/VGA signal.
- Add 3D support timing: 1080p 60Hz SBS


W1080ST Version 1.03 = W1070 Version 1.06
W1080ST Version 1.04 = W1070 Version 1.07
W1080ST Version 1.05 = W1070 Version 1.08
(Do not load W1080ST with W1070 firmware!!!! The changelogs are the same but firmware IS NOT compatible between different projector models)

All current versions of W1070 Firmware

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x5omnxp1vr6wyi4/e8_HLKrQUV/Firmware%20Files

or

ftp://62.141.76.120/driver/projectors/W1070/ Username: username Password: password


Latest 2 versions of W1080ST Firmware

ftp://62.141.76.120/driver/projectors/W1080ST/ Username: username Password: password


Service Manuals


https://docs.google.com/folderview?pli=1&docId=0B_xTFybwtlbvTHFqclRLU3pBNlk&id=0B_xTFybwtlbvU1oxdHRNcWd3LTQ


Useful Test Patterns - Username: username Password: password

ftp://62.141.76.120/driver/projectors/Tests/Main_HD/


Edited by Phatboy69 - 2/5/14 at 1:50am
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Firmware Changelog History of Benq W1070

Thanks!!
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