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post #871 of 8481
So anyone tried a ND4 filter after all? What diameter is required please?
post #872 of 8481
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

So, what's the verdict so far on the W1070? A good buy?
Looking to upgrade from my Epson 8100. Thanks

I am owning both. Both have their merits.

Epson 8100:
  1. Perhaps the most easiest projector around in terms of placement flexibility.
  2. Very quiet, fan noise is very smooth and easily blends into the background

Benq W1070:
  1. Perhaps one of the best valued projector around (does 2D well not just 3D)
  2. Does 3D extremely well (no ghosting/cross-talk), even camera pans are very smooth in 3D (no frame lag between 2 eyes)

Comparison (nothing instrumented or measured):
  1. The Benq colors beat my Epson big time, very obvious when I do A/B. I admit that I've never really calibrated the Epson (and I don't plan to), eyeballing tells me that Benq has more saturated colors, more please to the eyes
  2. Both the Epson and Benq are very sharp, no one stands out in this category
  3. Black Levels don't differ much
  4. Both on ECO mode, brightness has no difference
  5. Benq has better contrast to my eyes
  6. Benq has whiter "Whites"
  7. In my setup the Epson fills my 106" screen better than the Benq due to the longer throw therefore less barrow distortion
  8. Fan noise wise, the Epson is less noticeable than the Benq. This is also due to the fact that the Benq is mounted right above the seating area whereas the Epson is resting on a shelf at about 5 ft behind the seating area. Also, the Benq has a tiny bit of high-pitch. But, this is in no way meaning that the Benq has unbearable fan noise. I am very critical on fan noise and I can say that the Benq is definitely not as bad as those DLP projectors meant for business/data use. I notice it, but it has more to do with my psychology rather as I always try to find the fan noise. Once I'm into a movie, the fan noise above me blends into the background. Also, the Epson would produce some extra sound (though not very noticeable) when it changes the iris, and Benq's fan noise is always consistent
  9. The Benq has a small annoyance as when a new movie starts the image would start off with distorted colors for a second or so then "lock" back in, almost as if the colors need a second to get "tuned in"
  10. Last and obviously, the Epson can't do 3D. Not only the Benq wins in this category, it wins with flying colors
post #873 of 8481
#8 and #9 are most likely the color wheel (fairly standard on a low-cost DLP), many DLP's do weird color things when the color wheel changes between 24p and 60hz content.
post #874 of 8481
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

#8 and #9 are most likely the color wheel (fairly standard on a low-cost DLP), many DLP's do weird color things when the color wheel changes between 24p and 60hz content.

This does remind me of the occasional rainbows that I see on the Benq, but only when I move my head fast or sway my view in an opposite direction from a moving bright spot.
post #875 of 8481
I have the benq and can't fault it for the price.
post #876 of 8481
Thanks DavidK442 and Kelvink.
My first projector was an Optoma 720p DLP (HD60/65?) projector, it was very bright and loud but it did threw a pretty decent picture. I now have the Epson 8100, which is a very nice PJ for the price. However, the pixel fill and fast motion blur is starting to really bug me with LCD projectors. I am looking to move back to DLP, since I am not very sensitive to RBE. Even if the Optoma had RBE, I didn't notice it.

I don't have $2k-$3k for higher end DLP PJs, so this W1070 looks like it has some potential. The other affordable DLP pjs such as the Viewsonic, Acer, Mits, etc. do not have lenshift, which really is a deal killer in my basement room that's under 7ft tall. The vertical lenshift on this little PJ is very attractive.

Guess, I'll have to wait for further reviews
post #877 of 8481
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Thanks DavidK442 and Kelvink.
My first projector was an Optoma 720p DLP (HD60/65?) projector, it was very bright and loud but it did threw a pretty decent picture. I now have the Epson 8100, which is a very nice PJ for the price. However, the pixel fill and fast motion blur is starting to really bug me with LCD projectors. I am looking to move back to DLP, since I am not very sensitive to RBE. Even if the Optoma had RBE, I didn't notice it.
I don't have $2k-$3k for higher end DLP PJs, so this W1070 looks like it has some potential. The other affordable DLP pjs such as the Viewsonic, Acer, Mits, etc. do not have lenshift, which really is a deal killer in my basement room that's under 7ft tall. The vertical lenshift on this little PJ is very attractive.
Guess, I'll have to wait for further reviews

You're quite welcome. Feel free to ask for my opinions on either the Epson 8100 or the Benq W1070.

If you don't care much about 3D, I suggest keep the money. In my case, my family doesn't care much on 3D, and even I get eye-sore and headaches when I watch too much 3D. Yet, I still plan to keep this benq due to an obvious increase in 2D picture quality. But, all things considered, this is not a significant upgrade over the Epson. So for me I may still keep the Epson as a second projector unless a good offer is presented.
post #878 of 8481
Thanks. I am not a fan of 3D. It also give me headaches. tongue.gif
post #879 of 8481
I can buy Benq W1070 or Mitsu HC4000 for about the same price, 750 €.

3D for me is not important at all, I want the best 2D performance projector between these two projectors.

HC4000 is one of the best projectors in his price range, but Benq W1070 claims to have 10.000:1 contrast and HC4000 is 4000:1 contrast. But less lumens in HC4000 maybe strectch the distance in blacks.

Someone can give some opinion about these two projectors in comparison?

Sorry for my poor english and thank you for the answer. smile.gif
Edited by Juan Samartegui - 1/1/13 at 2:40pm
post #880 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Juan Samartegui View Post

Benq W1070 claims to hace 10.000:1 contrast and HC4000 is 4000:1 contrast.
Someone can give some opinion about these two projectors in comparison?

You should go with HC4000 with no doubt. Don't look at passport characteristics, Mitsu's contrast much higher - 1180:1 ANSI vs 336:1 BenQ's ANSI contrast.
http://www.ixbt.com/dvd/mitsubishi-hc4000-3900-3200.shtml#ansi
http://www.pconline.com.cn/projector/review/1211/3060242_3.html
post #881 of 8481
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Originally Posted by Yusuf.0088 View Post

You should go with HC4000 with no doubt. Don't look at passport characteristics, Mitsu's contrast much higher - 1180:1 ANSI vs 336:1 BenQ's ANSI contrast.
http://www.ixbt.com/dvd/mitsubishi-hc4000-3900-3200.shtml#ansi
http://www.pconline.com.cn/projector/review/1211/3060242_3.html

Thank you very much for your answer and the links. smile.gif

I will wait a couple of days until projectorreviews report, but I like the Mitsu a lot. smile.gif
post #882 of 8481
Are you sure 3D has no importance, I used to think that as well but now I enjoy 3D...
post #883 of 8481
I wouldn't put too much weight on those ansi contrast numbers. That can vary greatly from tester to tester. However I did own the Mitsubishi hc4000 briefly and it looked very nice. Yet the Benq is also a dc3 chip dlp so the contrast should be similar.

If i was going for 2d only i would say that the Mitsubishi is a safer bet. However, 3d is pretty awesome on dlp projectors so make sure you won't regret not having it later.
post #884 of 8481
I see that '144Hz' comes by in this topic a few times. Does this little guy do Tripple Flash? Cannot imagine this because only ultra high end machines like the Sim2 3D-S support this real cinema technique........
post #885 of 8481
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I wouldn't put too much weight on those ansi contrast numbers. That can vary greatly from tester to tester. However I did own the Mitsubishi hc4000 briefly and it looked very nice. Yet the Benq is also a dc3 chip dlp so the contrast should be similar.
If i was going for 2d only i would say that the Mitsubishi is a safer bet. However, 3d is pretty awesome on dlp projectors so make sure you won't regret not having it later.

Thanks for the advice, I will think about it. smile.gif
post #886 of 8481
It is impossible to say for sure which one has better contrast unless someone objectively measures it VERY VERY carefully and A/B's to ensure what they measured matches what their eyes saw. I would bet that the Mits hc4000 has better on/off than the Benq by a bit, you also cannot trust on/off measurements though. Sometimes if it is measured by the same person, you can trust them a little (sometimes, not always).

Another indicator of contrast (although not scientific, it's just a TREND indicator), is that how many lumens at WHAT wattage each projector produces in ECO modes (although this matters more if comparing two models in the same brand). However, if the wattage of the two projectors are the same, and they both have DC3, it is probably unlikely a significantly brighter DLP projector at the same price-point is producing higher on/off or ANSI contrast (being the Benq, so Mits should probably win). This is because they can't get the light pollution out of the DLP mirrors and there is some direct relationship to how much light there is, and they have to add more expensive components to make it handle light pollution in the mirrors and lens (and they can't with PJ's at this price).

The Benq has DC 3 and so does the Mits, the Benq is a much brighter projector indicating they opened up the light path more (but it is probably higher wattage too, so maybe not that much more).

That said, so far there hasn't been a projector that can measure as high in On/Off as the Mits for its' price, and Benq doesn't have a great history of high on/off or ansi contrast in their lower-priced projectors, so if I were a betting man, bets are on the Mits.

Still with 2D only for the Mits, I'd buy the Benq instead.
Edited by coderguy - 1/1/13 at 7:17pm
post #887 of 8481
Will Playstation glasses works with this projector?
post #888 of 8481
I just purchased this projector and got a bunch of questions.

1. It's easy for me to notice the RBE since it's new to me. Will I adapt to it over time?

2.I entered the ISF mode and chose night. Is this really just meant for the actual pros to tinker with? All settings are blank...At first I was assuming this was a pre-calibrated setting meant for dedicated dark rooms? This is not a pre-calibrated mode right?

3. In the manual economic and smart eco are different. economic is 30% savings and eco smart is 70%? I originally thought economic was just setting the lamp to it's lowest setting at all times. I should leave it at eco smart and turn off brilliant colours for the easiest nicest image?

4. For movies 1080p and 2d, what's the best HZ to set the projector at? 24hz? 120hz? Does nvidia automatically have 24hz in the settings, or would I add a custom resolution like 23.967 for example...whats the exact number?

5. For the best blacks, I would want to keep the throw distance as far as possible and use zoom in as close...(not digital zoom)? Is there an actual nd2 filter that will work for this projector?

6.What's the best 3d glasses for this projector? What's the best bang for buck 3d glasses that will work with this(ebay)? So all 3d content must be with the PC and nvidia? Can't use 3d on ps3, or xbox? I would have to aqquire a 3d movie to watch 3d...can't just convert a 2d movie into 3d like the epson 3020?

7" If the resolution is 16:9 and the movie you are watching is super wide so you have those black bars on top and bottom....are there any projectors out there, where there is absolutely no light(as in ink black) on those black bars when your room is all black and your screen is matte white?
post #889 of 8481
I have W1070, and I am not very satisfied with 2D. For 3D, I can not have quality glasses like Optoma ZD201. That is why I am considering Mits HC4000.
post #890 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

I have W1070, and I am not very satisfied with 2D. For 3D, I can not have quality glasses like Optoma ZD201. That is why I am considering Mits HC4000.

So an HC4000 is better than this?? I'm surprised because they're at similar price points but the 1070 is 2 years newer.
post #891 of 8481
You may disregard these reviews if you want but Kraine reviewed both Mitsubishi HC4000 and BenQ W1070. Here're his numbers:

Mitsubishi HC4000
Low lamp brilliant color off: 391.7 lumens
Brilliant color on low light: 474 lumens
High brilliant color lamp off: 457.7 lumens
Brilliant color on top lamp: 536.7 lumens
Black value at 00 IRE: 0.05 lux
Contrast: 2900:1

BenQ W1070
High contrast 2967:1 lamp black value 0.23
Contrast 4247:1 lamp low black value 0.11
2882:1 Contrast smart eco
High brightness 683 lux lamp 1662 lumens
Low brightness light 500 lux 1216 lumens
Brightness 678 lux smart eco fashion 1650 lumens


So coderguy's assumption that Mits' black level is lower should be true. The contrast is comparable.
post #892 of 8481
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Originally Posted by aftcomet View Post

So an HC4000 is better than this?? I'm surprised because they're at similar price points but the 1070 is 2 years newer.

Just because its newer doesn't mean better. A projector 5 years ago can still have a better lens and build and be the same price as a newer projector with cheaper parts and a plastic lens.
post #893 of 8481
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Originally Posted by mishari84 View Post

I have W1070, and I am not very satisfied with 2D. For 3D, I can not have quality glasses like Optoma ZD201. That is why I am considering Mits HC4000.

Did you true the new Eco mode and turn off Brilliant Color. This was suggested in one of the removes to improve picture quality and contrast.
post #894 of 8481
Anyone knows when this will be available in the US?
post #895 of 8481
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Anyone knows when this will be available in the US?

It should be available any day now. It will be shown at CES next week.
post #896 of 8481
Just remember also that dlp chip tech is getting very old. Dc3 has been around forever. The only new part is that it is a cheap 1080p dc3 chip on a cheap 3d projector.
post #897 of 8481
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

Just remember also that dlp chip tech is getting very old. Dc3 has been around forever. The only new part is that it is a cheap 1080p dc3 chip on a cheap 3d projector.


I am not sure I under the point. No one is claiming this is a 'break through' projector.

It seems attractive for the features and price.
post #898 of 8481
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Originally Posted by safe bobo View Post

I just purchased this projector and got a bunch of questions.
4. For movies 1080p and 2d, what's the best HZ to set the projector at? 24hz? 120hz? Does nvidia automatically have 24hz in the settings, or would I add a custom resolution like 23.967 for example...whats the exact number?
Sounds like you're using an HTPC. 1080p60Hz (standard timing) would be the best for 2D.
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6.What's the best 3d glasses for this projector? What's the best bang for buck 3d glasses that will work with this(ebay)? So all 3d content must be with the PC and nvidia? Can't use 3d on ps3, or xbox? I would have to aqquire a 3d movie to watch 3d...can't just convert a 2d movie into 3d like the epson 3020?
3D on Xbox is confirmed working. For glasses that work with this Benq, check out this thread.
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7" If the resolution is 16:9 and the movie you are watching is super wide so you have those black bars on top and bottom....are there any projectors out there, where there is absolutely no light(as in ink black) on those black bars when your room is all black and your screen is matte white?
You would need an anamorphic lens to "morph" the projector output to either expand horizontally or squeeze vertically. Very complicated setup. The easiest is to do screen masking. Example: Without Masking. With Masking
post #899 of 8481
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

I am not sure I under the point. No one is claiming this is a 'break through' projector.
It seems attractive for the features and price.

Yes you did misunderstand my post. I was just referring to how older dlp pj's can look better than this one because dlp tech had made no advancements in a longtime. Yes this pj is a great deal being the lowest priced 1080p 3d dc3 dlp pj around.
post #900 of 8481
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

Sounds like you're using an HTPC. 1080p60Hz (standard timing) would be the best for 2D.
3D on Xbox is confirmed working. For glasses that work with this Benq, check out this thread.
You would need an anamorphic lens to "morph" the projector output to either expand horizontally or squeeze vertically. Very complicated setup. The easiest is to do screen masking. Example: Without Masking. With Masking

How did you get the movie to show on the bottom of the screen like that?
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