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post #871 of 5159
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Originally Posted by Bassoli View Post

Hi guys.. first post here.
So.. i used to have a Sanyo Z3 years ago but got a bit hungry for trying out projector again since they seemed to have come a long way since i used my Z3.
I have to admit that when i got the W1070 i wasn't as impressed as i hoped i would be. Might be user errors tho..
First of all, i find the contrast to be extremely bad?? In dark scenes its great, but in brighter scenes they are washed out flat and contrast less.
I also hoped that it would be usable in my bright room at daylight or not to bright lamps on.. but as you can see in my picture its really not.
I have to add that i don't have a high-end screen.. don't know how much that can kill contrast and brightness.
So without bashing the w1070.. i was just wondering if you could advice if the Epson EH-TW5910 might have been a better choice for me?
It has 20:000 in contrast and 2100 lumen? I have a few more days to decide and still be able to exchange projector.
Heres a picture.. at least the kids are happy =P

Thankful for any help deciding.

Did you turn on smart eco or whatever the dynamic iris thing is?
post #872 of 5159
Hi
Yes i have tried all settings for the lamp, brightness, contrast. frown.gif
post #873 of 5159
From the picture I don't think you will be happy with nearly any projector. Nearly all home projectors need a dark room to show the best contrast. I think it might be that you have expectations that cannot be met by most projectors. The reviews that that is a very bright projector with decent contrast and blacks in its price range. It will not equal a more expensive projector but it should be much better than your old Z3.

Did you try the projector in total darkness. The other alternative is to use a HP screen.
post #874 of 5159
Well after rockin this baby for a couple weeks my only complaints are the RBE and the sharpness. My Hc3800 was way sharper. I notice that this one doesn't let me adjust the sharpness like the HC3800 did. It has an option for it but doesn't change anyting when I use it. However though I do enjoy that it's brighter so that kinda evens it out a bit. Plus it's $400 cheaper so that makes a big difference too. All and all a pretty damn good projector and happy with the decision over the HC4000.
Edited by Jeratt - 12/30/12 at 12:54pm
post #875 of 5159
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Originally Posted by Bassoli View Post

In dark scenes its great, but in brighter scenes they are washed out flat and contrast less.

I wrote about this earlier and folks didn't seem to get it when I referred to it as a higher ansi contrast scene. Basically when
there's more brightness or white, it washes out all the colours to a point where you get hit with a serious white crush. It's not
isolated to just the w1070 but probably any projector that uses a lamp. A brighter scene means the lamp light is raised for the
entire screen (almost like how backlight works for LED TV's that don't have local dimming). With the entire screen being hit with
the brighter light, it washes out the darker scenes and, further, it seems the elevated brighter colours (eg: white) crushes the
darker colours making it even harder to see those darker parts. It's why Plasma TV's tend to have better ansi-contrast (true contrast!)
than LCD/LED's because each pixel generates its own light. One reason cinema mode exists is because the lamp is dimmer which
allows better true contrast (and it's easier on the eyes). Only problem is, you need a dark room!

Now, I'm not sure about LCOS and Laser as I'm new to this stuff myself, but it seems these are the limitations of current projectors.
My 3020 crushes dark scenes unless I turn the lamp all the way down. Surprisingly, it's so bright it still has a nice image even when
I have all the lights on in my basement. Still, I think there's only so much that can be done to reduce the bleeding of light onto darker
content when brighter content simultaneously exists.

(Oh yeah, I failed to mention the words 'shadow detail' which probably would have made things make more sense)
Edited by Nambit - 12/30/12 at 12:56pm
post #876 of 5159
Did you use Smart Eco mode and turn off Brilliant color as suggested by Trusted Reviews?

See review and suggestions below:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/benq-w1070_Projector_review
post #877 of 5159
Im interested in this projector but I would like to know if anyone is using the tru-depth dlp link glasses for 3d.I own 4 pairs and I don't want to purchase any more glasses.
post #878 of 5159
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Originally Posted by raullopez1234 View Post

Im interested in this projector but I would like to know if anyone is using the tru-depth dlp link glasses for 3d.I own 4 pairs and I don't want to purchase any more glasses.

I don't own Tru-Depth dlp glasses but the reports on other threads suggest that they are one of the best ones to use with Benq projectors. Even better than the Benq's themselves. The reason is that the size blocks the red DLP flash.
post #879 of 5159
Thanks.I guess I'll wait for Arts review at projectorriviews to make my decision.benq w1070 or wait for the acer h6510bd to be released in the states.
post #880 of 5159
Do those tru depth 3d glasses work at 24Hz/144Hz??
post #881 of 5159
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Originally Posted by tyee View Post

Do those tru depth 3d glasses work at 24Hz/144Hz??
. I have no idea ,all that I know is they work perfectly with 3d blu-ray movies.
post #882 of 5159
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Originally Posted by tyee View Post

Do those tru depth 3d glasses work at 24Hz/144Hz??
No they dont, also their clone, 3Active glasses.
post #883 of 5159
Can this projector be put in 120/144 Hz in 2D mode? Using HTPC, of course.
post #884 of 5159
I couldn't put it in 120Hz mode. I tried but the image was all tearing horizontally throughout the full height of the screen. This was at a resolution shown in the manual too (1280x800). However after further reading, I think I need to create a custom resolution that has "reduced blanking" like the manual says. That should work but I don't want to use 1280x800 anyway so I'm not going to worry about it.
post #885 of 5159
So, what's the verdict so far on the W1070? A good buy?

Looking to upgrade from my Epson 8100. Thanks
post #886 of 5159
Calling all owners: I've started a new thread over at the 3D talk area to gather owner's confirmation on 144Hz compatible DLP-Link glasses that work with 1080p/24fps input mode.

All owner's input is appreciated.
post #887 of 5159
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

So, what's the verdict so far on the W1070? A good buy?
Looking to upgrade from my Epson 8100. Thanks

I don't own either but have certainly been pouring through the available information. No verdict really. A couple decent reviews but most seem to be waiting with baited breath for the Projector Reviews report. Looks like a typical low end DLP (loud fan, bright picture but mediocre black levels). Two things setting it apart is it's shortish throw distance and the fact that it offers cheap 1080p 3D.
Unless you are looking for a brighter image in best mode and don't care about mounting flexibility or noise level I doubt you will find it much of an upgrade over your 8100.
post #888 of 5159
So anyone tried a ND4 filter after all? What diameter is required please?
post #889 of 5159
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

So, what's the verdict so far on the W1070? A good buy?
Looking to upgrade from my Epson 8100. Thanks

I am owning both. Both have their merits.

Epson 8100:
  1. Perhaps the most easiest projector around in terms of placement flexibility.
  2. Very quiet, fan noise is very smooth and easily blends into the background

Benq W1070:
  1. Perhaps one of the best valued projector around (does 2D well not just 3D)
  2. Does 3D extremely well (no ghosting/cross-talk), even camera pans are very smooth in 3D (no frame lag between 2 eyes)

Comparison (nothing instrumented or measured):
  1. The Benq colors beat my Epson big time, very obvious when I do A/B. I admit that I've never really calibrated the Epson (and I don't plan to), eyeballing tells me that Benq has more saturated colors, more please to the eyes
  2. Both the Epson and Benq are very sharp, no one stands out in this category
  3. Black Levels don't differ much
  4. Both on ECO mode, brightness has no difference
  5. Benq has better contrast to my eyes
  6. Benq has whiter "Whites"
  7. In my setup the Epson fills my 106" screen better than the Benq due to the longer throw therefore less barrow distortion
  8. Fan noise wise, the Epson is less noticeable than the Benq. This is also due to the fact that the Benq is mounted right above the seating area whereas the Epson is resting on a shelf at about 5 ft behind the seating area. Also, the Benq has a tiny bit of high-pitch. But, this is in no way meaning that the Benq has unbearable fan noise. I am very critical on fan noise and I can say that the Benq is definitely not as bad as those DLP projectors meant for business/data use. I notice it, but it has more to do with my psychology rather as I always try to find the fan noise. Once I'm into a movie, the fan noise above me blends into the background. Also, the Epson would produce some extra sound (though not very noticeable) when it changes the iris, and Benq's fan noise is always consistent
  9. The Benq has a small annoyance as when a new movie starts the image would start off with distorted colors for a second or so then "lock" back in, almost as if the colors need a second to get "tuned in"
  10. Last and obviously, the Epson can't do 3D. Not only the Benq wins in this category, it wins with flying colors
post #890 of 5159
#8 and #9 are most likely the color wheel (fairly standard on a low-cost DLP), many DLP's do weird color things when the color wheel changes between 24p and 60hz content.
post #891 of 5159
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

#8 and #9 are most likely the color wheel (fairly standard on a low-cost DLP), many DLP's do weird color things when the color wheel changes between 24p and 60hz content.

This does remind me of the occasional rainbows that I see on the Benq, but only when I move my head fast or sway my view in an opposite direction from a moving bright spot.
post #892 of 5159
I have the benq and can't fault it for the price.
post #893 of 5159
Thanks DavidK442 and Kelvink.
My first projector was an Optoma 720p DLP (HD60/65?) projector, it was very bright and loud but it did threw a pretty decent picture. I now have the Epson 8100, which is a very nice PJ for the price. However, the pixel fill and fast motion blur is starting to really bug me with LCD projectors. I am looking to move back to DLP, since I am not very sensitive to RBE. Even if the Optoma had RBE, I didn't notice it.

I don't have $2k-$3k for higher end DLP PJs, so this W1070 looks like it has some potential. The other affordable DLP pjs such as the Viewsonic, Acer, Mits, etc. do not have lenshift, which really is a deal killer in my basement room that's under 7ft tall. The vertical lenshift on this little PJ is very attractive.

Guess, I'll have to wait for further reviews
post #894 of 5159
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Thanks DavidK442 and Kelvink.
My first projector was an Optoma 720p DLP (HD60/65?) projector, it was very bright and loud but it did threw a pretty decent picture. I now have the Epson 8100, which is a very nice PJ for the price. However, the pixel fill and fast motion blur is starting to really bug me with LCD projectors. I am looking to move back to DLP, since I am not very sensitive to RBE. Even if the Optoma had RBE, I didn't notice it.
I don't have $2k-$3k for higher end DLP PJs, so this W1070 looks like it has some potential. The other affordable DLP pjs such as the Viewsonic, Acer, Mits, etc. do not have lenshift, which really is a deal killer in my basement room that's under 7ft tall. The vertical lenshift on this little PJ is very attractive.
Guess, I'll have to wait for further reviews

You're quite welcome. Feel free to ask for my opinions on either the Epson 8100 or the Benq W1070.

If you don't care much about 3D, I suggest keep the money. In my case, my family doesn't care much on 3D, and even I get eye-sore and headaches when I watch too much 3D. Yet, I still plan to keep this benq due to an obvious increase in 2D picture quality. But, all things considered, this is not a significant upgrade over the Epson. So for me I may still keep the Epson as a second projector unless a good offer is presented.
post #895 of 5159
Thanks. I am not a fan of 3D. It also give me headaches. tongue.gif
post #896 of 5159
I can buy Benq W1070 or Mitsu HC4000 for about the same price, 750 €.

3D for me is not important at all, I want the best 2D performance projector between these two projectors.

HC4000 is one of the best projectors in his price range, but Benq W1070 claims to have 10.000:1 contrast and HC4000 is 4000:1 contrast. But less lumens in HC4000 maybe strectch the distance in blacks.

Someone can give some opinion about these two projectors in comparison?

Sorry for my poor english and thank you for the answer. smile.gif
Edited by Juan Samartegui - 1/1/13 at 2:40pm
post #897 of 5159
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Originally Posted by Juan Samartegui View Post

Benq W1070 claims to hace 10.000:1 contrast and HC4000 is 4000:1 contrast.
Someone can give some opinion about these two projectors in comparison?

You should go with HC4000 with no doubt. Don't look at passport characteristics, Mitsu's contrast much higher - 1180:1 ANSI vs 336:1 BenQ's ANSI contrast.
http://www.ixbt.com/dvd/mitsubishi-hc4000-3900-3200.shtml#ansi
http://www.pconline.com.cn/projector/review/1211/3060242_3.html
post #898 of 5159
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Originally Posted by Yusuf.0088 View Post

You should go with HC4000 with no doubt. Don't look at passport characteristics, Mitsu's contrast much higher - 1180:1 ANSI vs 336:1 BenQ's ANSI contrast.
http://www.ixbt.com/dvd/mitsubishi-hc4000-3900-3200.shtml#ansi
http://www.pconline.com.cn/projector/review/1211/3060242_3.html

Thank you very much for your answer and the links. smile.gif

I will wait a couple of days until projectorreviews report, but I like the Mitsu a lot. smile.gif
post #899 of 5159
Are you sure 3D has no importance, I used to think that as well but now I enjoy 3D...
post #900 of 5159
I wouldn't put too much weight on those ansi contrast numbers. That can vary greatly from tester to tester. However I did own the Mitsubishi hc4000 briefly and it looked very nice. Yet the Benq is also a dc3 chip dlp so the contrast should be similar.

If i was going for 2d only i would say that the Mitsubishi is a safer bet. However, 3d is pretty awesome on dlp projectors so make sure you won't regret not having it later.
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