BenQ W1070 : DLP Full HD, 3D Ready with lens-shift for 1000$ - Page 33

Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE 

There is no RBE and the wheel is 6x all the time. Dozens of people have watched it at my place and not a single mention of anything other than ooohs and aaaahs. I even heard some hysterical giggles at Under the Sea when the potato cod stuck his face out. Great PJ.
As for the contrast at 4k : 1, I believe it. It's insanely nice. I have my panny plasma from 2008 which has a 10000:1 contrast ratio spec (yes, I know it's never "real"), and it looks deeper / better than this, but that's on my white wall with no screen, and my PJ is not calibrated or tweaked much. For sure a plasma is better, but this is 1/2 the price and 6 times the size. It's a no brainer. And it's quite good, compared to many movie theaters which are often not great in the contrast ratio dept.
Anyway, who cares, I think it's a better deal to save 400 bucks and get faster motion and sharper than LCD, despite slightly worse black levels. And I'm a huge fan of deep blacks. I will try an ND2 filter eventually to see if I can run that, but in 3D it does need all the brightess / gain you can manage, especially in dark movies.
Has anyone compared the dimming effect of the various glasses that support triple flash ? I'll probably order 4 more Sainsonics, 2 Benq D3s, and maybe a couple of those other ones. Yes, that many people do want to come over regularly. Going to have to get more couches and seating set up.

Originally Posted by aftcomet 

I wanted a comparison between the 3020 and the W1070 because I can get the 1070 for $930 and the 3020 for $1250. So I want to compare to see how they match up.

Originally Posted by coderguy 

I just got the Benq w7000 (big brother so to speak) as a refurb unit, only paid a bit more than this one costs new.
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Is there a particular site selling multiple refurbs of the w7000, or did you just find a random score?

Originally Posted by maintman 

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Is there a particular site selling multiple refurbs of the w7000, or did you just find a random score?

Originally Posted by coderguy 

It probably does 4000:1 on/off with a lamp dimming feature, not native on/off.
From Gaming Review at PR on the w1070's black levels:
"The BenQ w1070′s performance here is about what I’d expect for a projector in this price range. This means dark grays (not inky blacks) and enough shadow detail to easily see zombies in dark caves! "

Originally Posted by aftcomet 

I wanted a comparison between the 3020 and the W1070 because I can get the 1070 for $930 and the 3020 for $1250. So I want to compare to see how they match up.

Originally Posted by coderguy 

Since it was sounding like you are trying to be objective, might want to mention NO ghosting on the DLP in 3d...
Fair enough, I would just add that the sometimes better POP like in closeups of faces is because of lower pixel fill of LCD (this is not always an advantage though). This lesser pixel fill can make images appear to shimmer sometimes, but if you view scenery on it, many times LCD will look flatter. Benq w1070 should be sharper unless you got super super lucky on convergence of the 3020. The 3020 does have convergence adjustment hidden though in the service menu supposedly.
They will both work, but I still think DLP beats LCD in this price range, and I've seen more than 20 projectors.

Originally Posted by coderguy 

It probably does 4000:1 on/off with a lamp dimming feature, not native on/off.
From Gaming Review at PR on the w1070's black levels:
"The BenQ w1070′s performance here is about what I’d expect for a projector in this price range. This means dark grays (not inky blacks) and enough shadow detail to easily see zombies in dark caves! "

Originally Posted by blee0120 

Just because its newer doesn't mean better. A projector 5 years ago can still have a better lens and build and be the same price as a newer projector with cheaper parts and a plastic lens.

Originally Posted by awest74 

Definatley try the non rechargable 3d Corp glasses off ebay, I like them better than the Saisonics for about the same price. Would be curios as to how they compare to the D3s. There are the ones I am using. Slightly better at blocking red flash, wider lens and dont need to keep hitting the button to get sync'd.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DLP-LINK-Glasses-3-for-Mitsubishi-Samsung-DLP-TV-or-DLP-Link-Projectors-/160868147016?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25747d1f48
pss the best deal was buying the 2 pack from this seller, twice, to get 4 pairs was cheaper per pair than the 4 pack or 3 pack when you consider shipping...

Originally Posted by Nambit 

I had both of these projectors at the same time and can honestly say I preferred the image on the 3020 overall. I went back and forth between them for hours.
Anyhow, I originally didn't want to post my views but I figured I'd try and help folks out. There are advantages and disadvantages of each, and it's up to the person
to determine which one is for them. As stated before, they're both great projectors and either one is a good buy, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by geezerpl 

It's supposed to be as good as the W1070 with added 2D->3D, higher brightness and quiter fan - but sadly w/o vertical lens shift.

Originally Posted by geezerpl 

If you want it really bright why not wait a couple of weeks for the new ACER H6510BD ?
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/8952-Acer-H6510BD.html
It's supposed to be as good as the W1070 with added 2D->3D, higher brightness and quiter fan - but sadly w/o vertical lens shift.

Originally Posted by geezerpl 

If you want it really bright why not wait a couple of weeks for the new ACER H6510BD ?
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/8952-Acer-H6510BD.html
It's supposed to be as good as the W1070 with added 2D->3D, higher brightness and quiter fan - but sadly w/o vertical lens shift.

Originally Posted by smokarz 

Anyone know the offset on the W1070?

Originally Posted by DavidK442 

Yes. It is about 1/2 way down the spec page on the BenQ site.
http://www.benq.ca/product/projector/W1070/specifications

Originally Posted by coderguy 

I just got the Benq w7000 (big brother so to speak) as a refurb unit, only paid a bit more than this one costs new.
The main projectors that need to be compared in this price range for 3D are:
Benq w7000 vs. Optoma hd33 vs. Benq w1070
This PJ looks great for the price, but I don't believe the on/off contrast numbers posted earlier (sorry guys), it would be too much of an engineer anomaly / feat to produce over 4000:1 contrast at these brightness levels in this price range. Is it possible, yes, but I seriously doubt it, as on/off readings should usually be taken with a grain of salt unless done on very high-end equipment.
In the cheaper price ranges, DLP usually beats LCD. Especially for sharpness and 3D. The DLP will also have a tighter pixel fill with a very slightly more solid looking image, though many don't see the pixel fill that much unless they sit super close to a screen like myself. Personally, I would buy this PJ before the 3010. The Panny is harder to say (but I'd buy the 5020 before Panny and this PJ isn't near the same price as the Panny anyways), and would depend on how big of a black level fanatic you are for 2D thus overriding 3D quality. As you get to the Epson 5020, well it's more trade-offs between added contrast vs. no ghosting vs. a tiny bit of ghosting, but the 5020 will have better contrast.
Projectors are an individual choice, but in this price range I doubt you'll do much better, the Optoma hd33 and this projector are going to be very close in picture quality, but this one I believe is brighter for 3D. The Optoma hd33 definitely has the 6x color wheel (but this one might too). BTW, someone should see if in DYNAMIC mode they hear the color wheel speed change like on the w7000. The w7000 has a 4x color wheel but it changes to go 6x in dynamic mode. I wonder if this PJ is the same?

Originally Posted by maintman 

The price gap is also bridged closer than that assuming that the two pairs of glasses are included with that 3020 deal.

Originally Posted by Nambit 

Not sure if you already saw this, but I tried to give the most honest comparison earlier in this thread (from a user perspective):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435626/benq-w1070-dlp-full-hd-3d-ready-with-lens-shift-for-1000/840#post_22752467
Basically, both projectors are great, but there are some subtle differences:
1. The W1070 had better blacks
2. There was more pop and brightness on the 3020.
3. Motion was a bit better on the 3020 (likely because I was affected by RBE on the W1070) - no RBE on 3020.
4. 3020 was quieter
5. 3D on 3020 was bright (approaching that of non-3D of W1070) - I didn't have glasses for the W1070.
6. The menus on the 3020 seem more user friendly, but no ISF.
Some extras I may add:
7. The vertical lens-shift on the W1070 provided better placement. (3020 has none hence a little keystoning adjustment needed)
8. The 3020 seems 2.5 as bulky and twice as heavy as the W1070
9. The adjustment dials felt better on the 3020, but the W1070 seems to allow a little more fine adjustment on sharpness.
10. I noticed more detail in dark scenes on the 3020
11. Both projectors exhibit the same white-wash of dark content when screen is filled with mostly bright colours. (eg: if displaying a web browser - thumbnail pics/images are washed out a bit because of white background in browser).
Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by smokarz 

ok, i am a dummy.
Projection Offset Vertical 110%-130%±5%
what does that translate to in inches from center of lens to top of screen? 110" screen.

Originally Posted by Rew452 

Well guys took the plunge.Ordered one from AudioGeneral http://www.audiogeneral.com/BenQ/widescreen.php .
Price was reasonable <1k and they have a prety good reputation when I searched on them. Been around since mid 90's.
Check them out. I f you call them ask for Eric A. Nice guy!
Should get it Monday will test and post my thoughts on it shortly there after.
Can't wait. Oh well paitents I guess.
Rew