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post #961 of 8547
I do bealive that the w1070 is very good projector (especially considering its price) and most likely I will get one. But 4000:1... "no son, this is fantastic" (с) smile.gif
post #962 of 8547
Waiting to see what Amazon will list this at. Still got $200 of Amazon bucks sitting around.

Anyone know the offset on the W1070?
post #963 of 8547
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Originally Posted by geezerpl View Post

If you want it really bright why not wait a couple of weeks for the new ACER H6510BD ?
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/8952-Acer-H6510BD.html
It's supposed to be as good as the W1070 with added 2D->3D, higher brightness and quiter fan - but sadly w/o vertical lens shift.

Is 1000 euro likely to translate into $1000 or more like $1500?
post #964 of 8547
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Originally Posted by geezerpl View Post

If you want it really bright why not wait a couple of weeks for the new ACER H6510BD ?
http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualites/8952-Acer-H6510BD.html
It's supposed to be as good as the W1070 with added 2D->3D, higher brightness and quiter fan - but sadly w/o vertical lens shift.
. It also has accumotion in 2d and 3d,its their version of frame creation.
post #965 of 8547
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

Yes. It is about 1/2 way down the spec page on the BenQ site.
http://www.benq.ca/product/projector/W1070/specifications


ok, i am a dummy.

Projection Offset Vertical 110%-130%±5%

what does that translate to in inches from center of lens to top of screen? 110" screen.
post #966 of 8547
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I just got the Benq w7000 (big brother so to speak) as a refurb unit, only paid a bit more than this one costs new.
The main projectors that need to be compared in this price range for 3D are:
Benq w7000 vs. Optoma hd33 vs. Benq w1070
This PJ looks great for the price, but I don't believe the on/off contrast numbers posted earlier (sorry guys), it would be too much of an engineer anomaly / feat to produce over 4000:1 contrast at these brightness levels in this price range. Is it possible, yes, but I seriously doubt it, as on/off readings should usually be taken with a grain of salt unless done on very high-end equipment.
In the cheaper price ranges, DLP usually beats LCD. Especially for sharpness and 3D. The DLP will also have a tighter pixel fill with a very slightly more solid looking image, though many don't see the pixel fill that much unless they sit super close to a screen like myself. Personally, I would buy this PJ before the 3010. The Panny is harder to say (but I'd buy the 5020 before Panny and this PJ isn't near the same price as the Panny anyways), and would depend on how big of a black level fanatic you are for 2D thus overriding 3D quality. As you get to the Epson 5020, well it's more trade-offs between added contrast vs. no ghosting vs. a tiny bit of ghosting, but the 5020 will have better contrast.
Projectors are an individual choice, but in this price range I doubt you'll do much better, the Optoma hd33 and this projector are going to be very close in picture quality, but this one I believe is brighter for 3D. The Optoma hd33 definitely has the 6x color wheel (but this one might too). BTW, someone should see if in DYNAMIC mode they hear the color wheel speed change like on the w7000. The w7000 has a 4x color wheel but it changes to go 6x in dynamic mode. I wonder if this PJ is the same?

Are you basing your findings off a W7000? I don't think the W1070 and that are in the same league.

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Originally Posted by maintman View Post

The price gap is also bridged closer than that assuming that the two pairs of glasses are included with that 3020 deal.

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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Not sure if you already saw this, but I tried to give the most honest comparison earlier in this thread (from a user perspective):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435626/benq-w1070-dlp-full-hd-3d-ready-with-lens-shift-for-1000/840#post_22752467
Basically, both projectors are great, but there are some subtle differences:
1. The W1070 had better blacks
2. There was more pop and brightness on the 3020.
3. Motion was a bit better on the 3020 (likely because I was affected by RBE on the W1070) - no RBE on 3020.
4. 3020 was quieter
5. 3D on 3020 was bright (approaching that of non-3D of W1070) - I didn't have glasses for the W1070.
6. The menus on the 3020 seem more user friendly, but no ISF.
Some extras I may add:
7. The vertical lens-shift on the W1070 provided better placement. (3020 has none hence a little keystoning adjustment needed)
8. The 3020 seems 2.5 as bulky and twice as heavy as the W1070
9. The adjustment dials felt better on the 3020, but the W1070 seems to allow a little more fine adjustment on sharpness.
10. I noticed more detail in dark scenes on the 3020
11. Both projectors exhibit the same white-wash of dark content when screen is filled with mostly bright colours. (eg: if displaying a web browser - thumbnail pics/images are washed out a bit because of white background in browser).
Hope this helps.

This helps very much, many thanks for providing it.
post #967 of 8547
Except that BenQ uses 1/2 the screen height as 100% for the purposes of calculating lens shift. All your offset values in inches are a factor of 2 too large.
post #968 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Rew452 View Post

Well guys took the plunge.Ordered one from AudioGeneral http://www.audiogeneral.com/BenQ/widescreen.php .
Price was reasonable <1k and they have a prety good reputation when I searched on them. Been around since mid 90's.
Check them out. I f you call them ask for Eric A. Nice guy!
Should get it Monday will test and post my thoughts on it shortly there after.
Can't wait. Oh well paitents I guess.
Rew

Got my tracking number before 6 pm, it was shipped right on schedule; tracking shows Monday delivery.

YA!

Rew
post #969 of 8547
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

A 110" screen (I assume you are talking diagonal on a 16:9) is 54 inches tall.
At zero lens shift the center of the projector lens would need to be 10%X54" above the screen = 5.4 inches.
At maximum lens shift you could place the projector 30%X54" = 16.2 inches above.
Can any owner confirm this?
post #970 of 8547
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

No problem. I think I have it figured out but may be off by an inch or so.
A 110" screen (I assume you are talking diagonal on a 16:9) is 54 inches tall.
At zero lens shift the center of the projector lens would need to be 10%X54" above the screen = 5.4 inches.
At maximum lens shift you could place the projector 30%X54" = 16.2 inches above.
For those with higher ceilings this is great, but for the rest of us who need to align the projector more with the center of the screen the lens shift is useless.
The BenQ site has a great Projector Calculator once you figure it out. Unfortunately though the "lens shift" provision is turned off so it will only give you projector heights with zero shift.
If anyone else has a different interpretation let me know.
(My advice to BenQ; let those who can afford 10 foot ceilings buy a long drop tube or look elsewhere. Give the rest of us poor souls (the ones who are looking at a sub $1000 projector in the first place) some negative lens shift.)

According to what I read and my actual installation, you'll have to take 50% off the offsets above.

I.e., at zero shift, image top is 2.7" below lens center
at max shift, image is 8.1" below lens center
post #971 of 8547
Just curious, I currently own the viewsonic por8200 and it has 2000 lumens with 4000:1 contrast. The Benq has the same lumens with 10000:1 contrast, I'm wondering if I'm going to see any difference in the picurte quality especially in the dark scenes? I found out the hard way that I need lens shift and I'm having all sorts of minor issues (hot spotting, +8 keystone, image doesn't fill the screen properly) because of it.
post #972 of 8547
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Originally Posted by kelvink View Post

According to what I read and my actual installation, you'll have to take 50% off the offsets above.
I.e., at zero shift, image top is 2.7" below lens center
at max shift, image is 8.1" below lens center


That's great. It would be perfect for follks with 7ft or shorter ceiling.
post #973 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Greg Flowers View Post

Can you confirm that those glasses are 144 Hz and will work with 1080p Blu-ray? There are so many people using various resolutions at different refresh rates that I've gotten onfused about which glasses will work with just straight 1080p blu-ray at 144 Hz.

They work at 144hz, and work perfectly with my ps3 bluray in 1080p24 3d

Also as I said, unlike the saisonics they auto sync. On the saisonics you have to hit the power button until you are on the right frequency...
post #974 of 8547
When I am using smart eco lamp mode, it seems as though the image will become blurry for a second and then resume being focused when changing scenes or during action at times. Is it just me?
post #975 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Rew452 View Post

Got my tracking number before 6 pm, it was shipped right on schedule; tracking shows Monday delivery.
YA!
Rew

I have talked to visualapex and projector people, neither can offer the audiogeneral.com price as they both told me dealer cost is above it.

Also PP told me audiogeneral does not buy from benq......so did you happen to ask if the warranty is still valid through audiogeneral?

If so I will probably buy it from them as it looks to be the best price that the US market will see by about 80 bux.

Todd
post #976 of 8547
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Originally Posted by awest74 View Post

They work at 144hz, and work perfectly with my ps3 bluray in 1080p24 3d
Also as I said, unlike the saisonics they auto sync. On the saisonics you have to hit the power button until you are on the right frequency...

How do you find their performance (red tint on blacks, brightness, etc) compared to the Sainsonics? I have the same L/R lost-sync issue on the Sainsonic, and it's not as bright as the Benq set. You may also consider putting your findings on this thread over at the 3D area.
post #977 of 8547
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Originally Posted by JoeBoy73 View Post

Just curious, I currently own the viewsonic por8200 and it has 2000 lumens with 4000:1 contrast. The Benq has the same lumens with 10000:1 contrast, I'm wondering if I'm going to see any difference in the picurte quality especially in the dark scenes? I found out the hard way that I need lens shift and I'm having all sorts of minor issues (hot spotting, +8 keystone, image doesn't fill the screen properly) because of it.

Don't expect too much from this Benq's vertical lens-shift. It has a very limited range. For example, on my 106" 16x9 screen (screen height is 52"), and the top of the image (ceiling mount) ranges from around 2" to 7" below the lens center.

IIRC the viewsonic pro8200 is a DC3 as well, though prev-gen. I doubt you would find much native difference. Yet, between the 2 manufacturers, I trust Benq's implementation of the DLP tech more. Last I read the Viewsonic has firmware issue as the lamp-mode doesn't stay after power-off, and they never had a firmware update to address the issue.
Edited by kelvink - 1/4/13 at 10:54am
post #978 of 8547
My w1070 from Visual Apex just arrived. I am replacing the optoma hd66. Perfect timing so I can play around with it over the weekend. Will post some impressions next week.
post #979 of 8547
Has anyone heard when the W1080ST is being released? It's not showing up on any of the BenQ sites other than the corporate site.
post #980 of 8547
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Originally Posted by apex82 View Post

When I am using smart eco lamp mode, it seems as though the image will become blurry for a second and then resume being focused when changing scenes or during action at times. Is it just me?

How do I know if eco smart mode is even doing anything? I can see the color dim a super tiny bit when switching from economic to the normal mode...but I never see any changes going on when eco smart is on....is it working, but it's so good no one can spot it unlike a dynamic iris? The manual says smart eco saves 70% while ecnomic saves 30%.............I thought economic would be at the lowest lamp mode at all times...while smart eco shifts from lower to higher lamp modes when needed...........am I wrong? Are these mixed up or something?

I've also noticed for my projection onto the wall, that the Upper and the Right borders of the output on my HTPC shows a hint of green blurr or something....is this normal for projection and does everyone else have it? I can take pics if interested....I'm guessing it's normal the entire projection is perfect.
post #981 of 8547
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Originally Posted by albero67 View Post

My w1070 from Visual Apex just arrived. I am replacing the optoma hd66. Perfect timing so I can play around with it over the weekend. Will post some impressions next week.

I have been using an Optoma HD700X (¿HD65 or maybe HD66 in USA?) for the last 2 years, but a couple of weeks ago I sold it to buy this Benq W1070, expecting your impresions to see the (I Hope) huge differences in image quality.

Thank you for your future review. smile.gif
post #982 of 8547
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Originally Posted by safe bobo View Post

How do I know if eco smart mode is even doing anything? I can see the color dim a super tiny bit when switching from economic to the normal mode...but I never see any changes going on when eco smart is on....is it working, but it's so good no one can spot it unlike a dynamic iris? The manual says smart eco saves 70% while ecnomic saves 30%.............I thought economic would be at the lowest lamp mode at all times...while smart eco shifts from lower to higher lamp modes when needed...........am I wrong? Are these mixed up or something?
I've also noticed for my projection onto the wall, that the Upper and the Right borders of the output on my HTPC shows a hint of green blurr or something....is this normal for projection and does everyone else have it? I can take pics if interested....I'm guessing it's normal the entire projection is perfect.

The "green blurr" you mentioned could be a dust blob. You can try adjusting the focus ring and see if you can see the actually dust speck. The first W1070 I got had a few of these specks that I could focus on them to reveal bright white dots.
post #983 of 8547
No, I think we are talking about 2 different things...
my projector seems perfect theres some dust/dirt ont he screen itself but I will show some pics soon.
post #984 of 8547
Errr... Are these shots taken on a pure black screen? eek.gif Are these any indication of how black looks on this projector?
post #985 of 8547
What is the manufacture date of the US. and other versions of the W1070. What firmware is installed?
post #986 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Greg Flowers View Post

Can you confirm that those glasses are 144 Hz and will work with 1080p Blu-ray? There are so many people using various resolutions at different refresh rates that I've gotten onfused about which glasses will work with just straight 1080p blu-ray at 144 Hz.


Try this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1448720/benq-w1070-144hz-compatible-dlp-link-3d-glasses
Edited by energizer30 - 1/4/13 at 4:38pm
post #987 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

Errr... Are these shots taken on a pure black screen? eek.gif Are these any indication of how black looks on this projector?
I never trust screenshots, as they vary greatly with different camera settings, image processing algorithm, and the viewers monitor calibration. They can't depict what the eyes see. Similar reason why projectorcentral.com doesn't use screenshots.

As for these shots, the primary purpose was to capture the dust specks and blobs, so I used an F1.7 lens with a D-SLR and a 1-second exposure to maximize light capture. These photos also show hot-spotting (the projector was sitting on a couch), but in reality the hot-spotting wasn't too bad.
post #988 of 8547
Bought mine from NCIX, ended up only costing $879.89 US dollars (free shipping). Scheduled delivery is for this Wednesday. Will also post impressions.
post #989 of 8547
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

Errr... Are these shots taken on a pure black screen? eek.gif Are these any indication of how black looks on this projector?

No man, my black screen is not like that. It's probrably the camera. The black is black....in my painted dark room, u can still see the light on the projected blank screen....it's not black to the point theres no light at all.

I was holding the projector upsidedown on the ceiling to see how I could mount it......something popped on the screen, a message along the lines of write down your recall number........then the hdmi cable got loose and I lost that message for those few seconds..

This has been pointed out before, but I don't like the hdmi input on the projector....I mean,when moving the projector around it comes loose, I know it won't be a problem once it's properly set up, but it comes loose easily by wiggling around.
post #990 of 8547
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Originally Posted by white59rt View Post

I have talked to visualapex and projector people, neither can offer the audiogeneral.com price as they both told me dealer cost is above it.
Also PP told me audiogeneral does not buy from benq......so did you happen to ask if the warranty is still valid through audiogeneral?
If so I will probably buy it from them as it looks to be the best price that the US market will see by about 80 bux.
Todd

Their info is wrong, they are a BenQ authorized dealer.

Rew
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