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[LG LM960V] Inconsistence between internal & external patterns

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi, I've got the brand new LG LM960V in my hands. It features 20 point white balance and built-in calibration patterns. However I made a few runs and they measure slightly different than ones from my Accupel DVG-5000 generator.

Here's the data collected from internal patterns. Notice that since there is no "0 IRE" pattern I had to use external to measure black level.



Here from the generator



Notice that reference white luminance is 10 candelas greater on internal pattern. I have no explanation for this. The measurements were taken on full field patterns (same as internal), any other ones (windowed, small APL from AVS 709 disc) give unpredictable results but that may be caused by local dimming feature which cannot be defeated in this TV. The TV runs the latest FW: 04.10.26
BTW Entering white balance menu in 2012 LG's causes the contrast to increase to 100...



What do you think about that?
post #2 of 15
does the OSD dispaly for the internal patterns stay up all the time? If so, this with the ld algorithm, may be why
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Turbe - yes but it must stay on to have internal pattern on screen. However to prevent ld algorithm messing up things I left the same menu when I was measuring external patterns.
post #4 of 15
it's too bad we don't have an option to disable/enable ld, it can be tellling calibrating with it off (and on)

I'd stick with the Accupel

on another note, I see they are still using, incorrectly, the IRE label


one more thought - while you have a pattern up from the accupel, do you see any fluxuations while leaving it up over a few minutes, or does it settle immediately?
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
So you recommend sticking with Accupel and full field patterns?

With windowed patterns or APL patterns it's as weird as that


I think this TV makes strange adjustments based on what is displayed in the middle of the screen.

--also, would you set the local dimming to high during calibration if it's the desired setting for watching?
post #6 of 15
that's the key, what's really going on with their algorithm, including with the various options.. full fields if ld enabled during the cal..

Do you see fluxuations over time for one pattern?

Even for displays where ld is disabled for calibration, what does a post cal report look like with ld enabled? For Elites, we will see soon.
Edited by turbe - 10/25/12 at 1:59pm
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 
Turbe - no fluxuations, i made several readings with different pattern changing interval. They were almost identical.

Which way do You prefer? wink.gif
post #8 of 15
do you get identical results with small windowed patterns as with the full field (both external and internal)..

Using just the Accupel, what about with and without that LG OSD (for patterns)

perhaps you can post all four results


looks like really just the low end, could be some meter flux
Edited by turbe - 10/25/12 at 3:43pm
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Turbe there's no meter flux for sure. Here're the results:

Clear screen, Accupel full field patterns


Menu on, Accupel full field patterns


Internal patterns
post #10 of 15
If it is a plasma TV you MUST use small-ish window patterns. If it is an LCD with either LED or CCFL backlighting, it doesn't matter whether you use full-screen or window patterns, you should get the same result.

I also think you should stick with the signal generator to insure you are getting accurate patterns.
post #11 of 15
Are these readings being taken with the profiled colormeter or from the spectro?
post #12 of 15
[quote name="Koperfild" url="/t/1435700/lg-lm960v-inconsistence-between-internal-external-patterns#post_22526685"BTW Entering white balance menu in 2012 LG's causes the contrast to increase to 100

What do you think about that?[/quote]

If you are talking about the Service Menu then

Try lower all (together!!) bias/gain values in SM so you can get around 35-40 FTL or set to an FTL value where the RGB grayscale do NOT CLIP and your eyes feel comfortable viewing the light output.

This takes time en experiments but setting grayscale in SM would not be trusted when RGB clip at 100% contrast (just like in the user menu)

If you calibrate in the user menu and internal and external measures the same there should be no problem.

Let me know the result because I have an 2011 model.

Greetzz
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

If it is a plasma TV you MUST use small-ish window patterns. If it is an LCD with either LED or CCFL backlighting, it doesn't matter whether you use full-screen or window patterns, you should get the same result.
I also think you should stick with the signal generator to insure you are getting accurate patterns.

It's LED with local dimming. Initially, I didn't look up this new model but he did post about the local dimming in the OP smile.gif
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give unpredictable results but that may be caused by local dimming feature which cannot be defeated in this TV
post #14 of 15
Yes you discovered the biggest flaw of the lm960 - it changes the screen charactersic if the menu is visible!
So you have always to recheck your settings with the menu not visible.
Therefore this tv is a pain in the ass to calibrate.
post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AV-Freak View Post

Yes you discovered the biggest flaw of the lm960 - it changes the screen charactersic if the menu is visible!
So you have always to recheck your settings with the menu not visible.

Yes, but the menu must stay on-screen to have internal pattern displayed. Does it mean that I can't relly on internal patterns?
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Are these readings being taken with the profiled colormeter or from the spectro?

Profiled colorimeter. It does not fluxuate if that's what you're thinking about smile.gif
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