Originally Posted by Gorilla83
Eight is the number I had in mind. One thing you're assuming though is that the subs are either in the same cabinet or co-located. In my room, all 8 in one location would not be possible so I'm not likely to get close to +6 db for each additional driver. I will likely have 2 dual opposed up front, and then 2 more to the left/right side of the couch/LP. Just some food for thought.
Also, Scott your chart I'm assuming is using 1m as a reference point, not 2m as MK is quoting, correct?
100% agreed these things seem unbeatable for the price. So I'd be looking at 1866 for drivers, probably 400 or so in cabinet/materials, and 1200 for amp(s), a little cheaper if I get gutsy and pick up an LG clone. Not too bad.
This stuff gets me excited, is that wrong?
I'm always the turd in the punchbowl here cause I think I have bit different "value structure" than most in these parts and that's not to say or even imply that mine's "better/superior" in the slightest at all, it's just different.
For instance: headroom to me is worthless...now that will draw ire here!
If you're not driving loudspeakers or amplifiers to/past their limits in the first place, you're simply over-spending, imo. I've yet to see any evidence that supports the notion that well-constructed/designed components last considerably longer or are better performing at 70% of their "capacity" vs 50/60. And I guess I'm not one of the guys who needs to know they have another 10dbs left in the tank at 125dbs, lmao. Even at REFERENCE levels, 125db bass is already well out of whack with the balance of program material and no one listens at reference to begin with...ok, less than 1%.
Case in point: $1200 for amplification for 2 (18") Dayton quad boxes is simply overkill...at least in my view, for likely 95% of the rooms out there...assuming people can grab a Crown XLS 5000 for 5-$600.
And spending money to kill something that's already dead doesn't make much sense to me.
You don't have to co-locate two of these monsters to know they will have prodigious output in almost any room. If Scott's plot is even remotely accurate, with 650 watts we already see 107dbs at 20 hz and 95dbs at 10hz. BEFORE ROOM GAIN. I already know what ONE does in mine.
Now, TWO 12-14^3 QUAD CABS?! Jesus..what kind of output are people looking for would be my next question.
Personally- especially after seeing the models that have been run- I could not see my self spending a DIME more than $600 on a Crown XLS 5000 and pushing "just" 625 watts into each driver.
Can they take more? Sure/maybe, I guess. But again, what kind of output are you looking for would be my question and why (PAY) to start potentially running into excursion/thermal issues when you already have truckloads of output on hand, running within the gears' limits?
No offense to anyone here, just my take. Perhaps I underestimate one, two, or three things here:
1. the desired SPL of "bass"
2. The size of people's rooms.
At 120-125dbs I'm about at my limit and it seems to me that (2) of these quad cabs could do just than in my rather large rooms with "just" 2500 watts a cabinet after room gain damn near 10hz.
just looking out for our "budgets" by saving $600+, Gorilla!
JamesEdited by mastermaybe - 11/5/12 at 11:17am