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post #751 of 1005
So all inclusive, if a man with a 5.0 setup and an AVR wanted to duplicate this, how much would each sub set me back?
post #752 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

I chose to spend the time doing some tweaking instead. cool.gif

Your next tweak should include some black paint and a roller to take care of that contrast killing ceiling. biggrin.gif
post #753 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Ah, there he is! When are you going to begin construction? biggrin.gif

I should know something today as to whether or not I will be able to pick up the subs this weekend. NathanJ is going to let me borrow his trailer, so I can fit mine, yours and his all in one trip. Do we know of anyone else up this way that would want me to pick up their order? I'll holler at you tonight once I find out more details.

About the build, I'll start a new thread.

I already promised the wife that this wasn't going to be an all consuming build, so I am not going to be able to crank out the boxes as quick as I would like. I'm thinking I will be able to get the first 8 up and running within a few weeks to a month, but the next 8 might take a few more months. I'm also planning on building a riser when I get the second set up and running. Gotta maximize that tactical feel...
post #754 of 1005
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Originally Posted by ahheck01 View Post

So all inclusive, if a man with a 5.0 setup and an AVR wanted to duplicate this, how much would each sub set me back?

I think I posted a full breakdown somewhere in this thread, but I believe the cost of materials for each sub was about ~650 including paint, grills, etc. It may be + or - about 75.00 depending on finish, wood used, options, etc.
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

Your next tweak should include some black paint and a roller to take care of that contrast killing ceiling. biggrin.gif

I had considered it, but not having the ceiling match throughout the rooms would drive me crazy. My entire basement is open and there is no 'break' in the ceiling. The picture looks great to my eyes anyway for now. biggrin.gif
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I should know something today as to whether or not I will be able to pick up the subs this weekend. NathanJ is going to let me borrow his trailer, so I can fit mine, yours and his all in one trip. Do we know of anyone else up this way that would want me to pick up their order? I'll holler at you tonight once I find out more details.
About the build, I'll start a new thread.
I already promised the wife that this wasn't going to be an all consuming build, so I am not going to be able to crank out the boxes as quick as I would like. I'm thinking I will be able to get the first 8 up and running within a few weeks to a month, but the next 8 might take a few more months. I'm also planning on building a riser when I get the second set up and running. Gotta maximize that tactical feel...

I can't think of anyone else that I know of, but you have been more in tune with this stuff than me. Shoot me a PM with details around payment if you can. IWifey and I will plan a trip to DC for the day when we come to pick them up. biggrin.gif

Also - Build the first eight and get back to me. biggrin.gif Leave 4 subs in the nearfield area and you will all the tactile you will want.
post #755 of 1005
Gorilla. You ordered MORE 18's WTH?!!! Lololol

What are you building now?
post #756 of 1005
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

Gorilla. You ordered MORE 18's WTH?!!! Lololol
What are you building now?

Haha, likely nothing for me. I have a few friends on the area that would like to duplicate something similar to I picked up a few extra drivers to have around. At the pre-order/group buy price you couldn't go wrong. If they wind up not wanting them I'll build some single 18's to replace my empires in the living room. biggrin.gif

My basement setup is 100% satisfying in the bass department. I honestly can't even use all that is has to offer at max output - if I've even seen that yet?? Really no desire to add anything else there. biggrin.gif
post #757 of 1005
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Guys - I took some pictures a while back I've been meaning to share comparing the SI 18" to the Dayton. I figured those viewing this thread might be interested. I also posted in the SI 18" thread. Enjoy!

Notes -

  • Both are really great looking drivers.
  • SI has a meaner looking surround while the Dayton has a more substantial motor structure.
  • The dayton is a few inches more shallow.
  • The SI has a shiny black basket while the Dayton has a black powdercoat look to it.
  • Both have similar type rubber gaskets on the front.
  • SI has a paper type cone while the Dayton is aluminum.
  • Both sound awesome!!

Going in the box...

SI 'Backside'

Dayton 'backside'

SI

Dayton

Si top / surround

Dayton top / surround

Together
post #758 of 1005
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

Your next tweak should include some black paint and a roller to take care of that contrast killing ceiling. biggrin.gif

The black ceiling tiles are nice too. Not very expensive, and really do great to knock down on the brightness smile.gif I found some for about the same price as the replacement white tiles.

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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I should know something today as to whether or not I will be able to pick up the subs this weekend. NathanJ is going to let me borrow his trailer, so I can fit mine, yours and his all in one trip. Do we know of anyone else up this way that would want me to pick up their order? I'll holler at you tonight once I find out more details.
About the build, I'll start a new thread.
I already promised the wife that this wasn't going to be an all consuming build, so I am not going to be able to crank out the boxes as quick as I would like. I'm thinking I will be able to get the first 8 up and running within a few weeks to a month, but the next 8 might take a few more months. I'm also planning on building a riser when I get the second set up and running. Gotta maximize that tactical feel...

Lemme know what time you think you are coming down and we can all meet at SI perhaps. Rilla, I am getting you Nick's paypal info, don't worry! I want to get all that info out to everyone at the same time so I don't end up running around in circles smile.gif
post #759 of 1005
What kind of screws/ bolts did you use to mount the drivers? I've seen a couple good alternatives to hurricane nuts and I was going to use them.
post #760 of 1005
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

The black ceiling tiles are nice too. Not very expensive, and really do great to knock down on the brightness smile.gif I found some for about the same price as the replacement white tiles.
Lemme know what time you think you are coming down and we can all meet at SI perhaps. Rilla, I am getting you Nick's paypal info, don't worry! I want to get all that info out to everyone at the same time so I don't end up running around in circles smile.gif

Thanks Beast - keep a brother posted. smile.gif

Re: black ceiling tiles - Maybe somewhere down the line I will pick up a few rows worth of black tiles and see what the impact is on the picture quality. At least this way I still have my old tiles to swap back in. Alternatively I guess I could hang a black sheet or something up there. If I were to do it I would want to swap out the entire room, but even then I wouldn't want to do the hallway and such. I wish I had a dedicated closed room and this would already be done. frown.gif Black tiles would not look great with the rest of the basement.
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

What kind of screws/ bolts did you use to mount the drivers? I've seen a couple good alternatives to hurricane nuts and I was going to use them.

I really like the SPAX construction screws. They go in and out easily and do not require pre drilling. I can't see the allure of the hurricane nuts due to the hassle when these ones work great. Maybe if you were going to be installing/removing all the time they would hold up alot better?

Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Spax-4101010400406-2-Inch-Construction-1-Pound/dp/B000I651PK/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1357141887&sr=8-6&keywords=spax+screws
post #761 of 1005
Cool thanks. You think the 1.5" is a good length?
post #762 of 1005
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Lemme know what time you think you are coming down and we can all meet at SI perhaps. Rilla, I am getting you Nick's paypal info, don't worry! I want to get all that info out to everyone at the same time so I don't end up running around in circles smile.gif

Still waiting to hear back from Nick as to when the order is going to be ready. The best scenario for me to keep the wife happy would be to show up at SI around 8am Friday morning. That way I could get home early. Man, I was really looking forward to swinging by your crib to check out the XXX first hand, but it's not looking like that is going to happen.

You're only a 6 hour drive, so I'll find a reason to get back down your way again soon.
post #763 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Thanks Beast - keep a brother posted. smile.gif
Re: black ceiling tiles - Maybe somewhere down the line I will pick up a few rows worth of black tiles and see what the impact is on the picture quality. At least this way I still have my old tiles to swap back in. Alternatively I guess I could hang a black sheet or something up there. If I were to do it I would want to swap out the entire room, but even then I wouldn't want to do the hallway and such. I wish I had a dedicated closed room and this would already be done. frown.gif Black tiles would not look great with the rest of the basement.

You really don't need to change them all up. The most important area is right in front of the screen area. I would replace them just out far enough to match the state depth. That would give a nice "boxed in" appearance while greatly improving contrast.
post #764 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

My basement setup is 100% satisfying in the bass department. I honestly can't even use all that is has to offer at max output - if I've even seen that yet?? Really no desire to add anything else there. biggrin.gif

Yeeeeaaaahhhh.... that's the ticket!

post #765 of 1005
"My basement setup is 100% satisfying in the bass department. I honestly can't even use all that is has to offer at max output - if I've even seen that yet?? Really no desire to add anything else there. "

biggest lie told on these forums........................
post #766 of 1005
I'll give him 6-8 months, tops.
post #767 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I'll give him 6-8 months, tops.
Scott has been surprisingly accurate with his predictions...
post #768 of 1005
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

Cool thanks. You think the 1.5" is a good length?

That should be fine depending on your baffle depth.
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

You really don't need to change them all up. The most important area is right in front of the screen area. I would replace them just out far enough to match the state depth. That would give a nice "boxed in" appearance while greatly improving contrast.

I'll probably add these to the list of future improvements with the false wall / AT screen. My toy budget was WAY exceeded last year. I'm already off to a bad start this year with the mains project, lol.

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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

"My basement setup is 100% satisfying in the bass department. I honestly can't even use all that is has to offer at max output - if I've even seen that yet?? Really no desire to add anything else there. "
biggest lie told on these forums........................
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I'll give him 6-8 months, tops.
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Scott has been surprisingly accurate with his predictions...

LOL!! Man, F you guys. biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Ok, 6+ months is a long way out. I could've lost a large percentage of my hearing by then and will have to compensate. biggrin.gif
post #769 of 1005
Too much is never enough.
post #770 of 1005
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Too much is never enough.

Agreed. However, at this point I'm convinced my projector is not going to last too long with the beating it has been taking. I might need to come up with something for some serious isolation. For some reason they didn't design them to take massive amounts of vibration. I'm stumped as to why not. tongue.gif
post #771 of 1005
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Still waiting to hear back from Nick as to when the order is going to be ready. The best scenario for me to keep the wife happy would be to show up at SI around 8am Friday morning. That way I could get home early. Man, I was really looking forward to swinging by your crib to check out the XXX first hand, but it's not looking like that is going to happen.
You're only a 6 hour drive, so I'll find a reason to get back down your way again soon.


Well I'll give you this much, I aint gonna be arriving at SI at no 8:00am on a Saturday OR Sunday haha. This weekend might be your last shot to see the RE's, at least installed at my place! You are welcome to crash a night if you need, I have plenty of room, and it would help break the drive up some. See what ya can come up with. I even have a place to park the trailer biggrin.gif
post #772 of 1005
There is too much, when the experience only becomes painful and your equipment and house starts to fall and break! There is only so much the ear can take(pressure). It is like going deeper and deeper in the ocean and eventually your ears will give up although you want to go deeper.
post #773 of 1005
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Well I'll give you this much, I aint gonna be arriving at SI at no 8:00am on a Saturday OR Sunday haha. This weekend might be your last shot to see the RE's, at least installed at my place! You are welcome to crash a night if you need, I have plenty of room, and it would help break the drive up some. See what ya can come up with. I even have a place to park the trailer biggrin.gif

Thanks for the offer man.

If I leave at 3am Friday morning, it should get me to SI around 8am. I plan to kick it there for a bit to see the operation, load up the drivers, then head back to VA. I'm planning swinging through Richmond to audition some Klipsch Jubilee's around noon and hope to be back home before 5pm. Long day, but that's the plan. We'll see what Nick responds with. If 28 subs aren't going to be ready for pickup on Friday, then I'm going to have to delay until he can accommodate.

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There is too much, when the experience only becomes painful and your equipment and house starts to fall and break! There is only so much the ear can take(pressure). It is like going deeper and deeper in the ocean and eventually your ears will give up although you want to go deeper.

Oh, poppycock....c'mon MK! You of all people know there is a huge difference in the THD profile with more subs the deeper you dive into the ocean. Rilla, your next upgrade (before implementing your next set of 8 drivers) should be a decompression chamber. Safety first…
post #774 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Agreed. However, at this point I'm convinced my projector is not going to last too long with the beating it has been taking. I might need to come up with something for some serious isolation. For some reason they didn't design them to take massive amounts of vibration. I'm stumped as to why not. tongue.gif

Heheh. Yeah, I saw what your system did while watching WotW. Me thinks you need a better solution to how you have the pj mounted as it is. Ceiling mount? Bookshelf? I'm sure we could find a fix and nip it in the bud!

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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Well I'll give you this much, I aint gonna be arriving at SI at no 8:00am on a Saturday OR Sunday haha. This weekend might be your last shot to see the RE's, at least installed at my place! You are welcome to crash a night if you need, I have plenty of room, and it would help break the drive up some. See what ya can come up with. I even have a place to park the trailer biggrin.gif

Damn all you East Coasters! I wanna hang! frown.gif

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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

There is too much, when the experience only becomes painful and your equipment and house starts to fall and break! There is only so much the ear can take(pressure). It is like going deeper and deeper in the ocean and eventually your ears will give up although you want to go deeper.

Oh James. You holiday scrooge, you. tongue.gif
post #775 of 1005
Thread Starter 
Scott - It's ceiling mounted with a nice sturdy omnimount. I've also recently braced both adjacent joists with an extra 2x10. That seemed to help a LOT, but the really demanding material will still jack up the lens shift. I've seen others reccomend sticking a piece of foam (that comes with the projector for shipping) under the lens to keep it from moving. I will try that next I guess. No matter what I do I'm always going to have some vibration at those insane levels. Looking at the screen during those scenes makes you feel a bit tipsy, heh.
post #776 of 1005
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Rilla, your next upgrade (before implementing your next set of 8 drivers) should be a decompression chamber. Safety first…

I like how you snuck that in there. I honestly think my wife will be as furious as yours was the day of the GTG if I tell her anytime soon that I'm adding more subs. The floor in the kitchen literally flexes a good bit when I'm pounding down there. Maybe some sound isolation would work in my favor. biggrin.gif Hmm.
post #777 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Scott - It's ceiling mounted with a nice sturdy omnimount. I've also recently braced both adjacent joists with an extra 2x10. That seemed to help a LOT, but the really demanding material will still jack up the lens shift. I've seen others reccomend sticking a piece of foam (that comes with the projector for shipping) under the lens to keep it from moving. I will try that next I guess. No matter what I do I'm always going to have some vibration at those insane levels. Looking at the screen during those scenes makes you feel a bit tipsy, heh.

Most people have ceiling mounts and assumed you did as well. Hmm... those have little room for improvements. I have mine on it's own freestanding shelf so there is no vibration transferred but I will be putting a shelf on the wall soon. Makes me scared for possible shaking. Lol. Though I use a really thick 1 1/4 sound isolation foam thingy from PE too. Maybe that will help enough. tongue.gif
post #778 of 1005
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Damn all you East Coasters! I wanna hang!

Haha, I am still too far away from everyone else. I say damn all you northerners always hangin out, Lol.
post #779 of 1005
What you need to do Rilla is build a dual opposed sub tall enough with your new subs that can be used as a stand for your projector! Problem solved tongue.gif
post #780 of 1005
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

What you need to do Rilla is build a dual opposed sub tall enough with your new subs that can be used as a stand for your projector! Problem solved tongue.gif

Brilliant.
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