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post #811 of 1005
If I did not use the LG clone amp for these what is the next suggestion? One crown XLS 5000 per pair? What about the Cerwin Vega 5000? Just trying to figure out what would be best. I would love to use the clone in my current theater however I do not have a dedicated circuit right now. Not sure if that is a requirement or not.
post #812 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

If I did not use the LG clone amp for these what is the next suggestion? One crown XLS 5000 per pair? What about the Cerwin Vega 5000? Just trying to figure out what would be best. I would love to use the clone in my current theater however I do not have a dedicated circuit right now. Not sure if that is a requirement or not.

What about the Behringer EP4K? They are under $300 and you can always bridge them if you need more power. For DSP/EQ you could leverage something like a minidsp if you need it.
post #813 of 1005
Yea I would say ep4000 per pair of SI's, cv5000/xls5000 per quad, or LG clone per 8 smile.gif Drivers, not D.O. boxes
Edited by beastaudio - 1/14/13 at 11:39am
post #814 of 1005
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Yea I would say ep4000 per pair, cv5000/xls5000 per quad, or LG clone per 8 smile.gif

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post #815 of 1005
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Yea I would say ep4000 per pair, cv5000/xls5000 per quad, or LG clone per 8 smile.gif

and by this he means separate drivers. not DO boxes. so 1 ep4K per pair of drivers, 1 cv5000 per 4 drivers, etc... correct?
post #816 of 1005
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Yea I would say ep4000 per pair, cv5000/xls5000 per quad, or LG clone per 8 smile.gif

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Just to be clear, you are talking cabinets not drivers correct. So a pair would be 4 drivers, quad would be 8 drivers, etc. Wire the drivers in parallel within each cabinet for a 2 ohm load?

Scott

EDIT: I see me and Brian have the same question ...
post #817 of 1005
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Just to be clear, you are talking cabinets not drivers correct. So a pair would be 4 drivers, quad would be 8 drivers, etc. Wire the drivers in parallel within each cabinet for a 2 ohm load?

Scott

lol. i posted right as you were asking this
post #818 of 1005
The CV5000 is a beast..I am overly pleased with it.
post #819 of 1005
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Originally Posted by skeeter99 View Post


Just to be clear, you are talking cabinets not drivers correct. So a pair would be 4 drivers, quad would be 8 drivers, etc. Wire the drivers in parallel within each cabinet for a 2 ohm load?

Scott

EDIT: I see me and Brian have the same question ...

EP4000 for 2 drivers, CV5000 for 4 drivers, FP14K for 8 drivers. All approximately 1000w/driver. I would suggest getting the D4 if you were to run the EP4000 with two drivers. One dual opposed box would then be 4ohm total perfect for a bridged EP4000.
post #820 of 1005
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

and by this he means separate drivers. not DO boxes. so 1 ep4K per pair of drivers, 1 cv5000 per 4 drivers, etc... correct?

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Originally Posted by skeeter99 View Post


Just to be clear, you are talking cabinets not drivers correct. So a pair would be 4 drivers, quad would be 8 drivers, etc. Wire the drivers in parallel within each cabinet for a 2 ohm load?

Scott

EDIT: I see me and Brian have the same question ...

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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

lol. i posted right as you were asking this


Lol. I really just depends on the user but....

Yes, a single ep4k (or equivalent) per driver pair is good. One could run four drivers (two dual-opposed most likely) off the ep4k but the output would be limited a bit more than if using a single amp per driver pair. If you are low on funds don't feel bad about starting here. As long as you upgrade with another amp down the line no harm will be done either way.
post #821 of 1005
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EP4000 for 2 drivers, CV5000 for 4 drivers, FP14K for 8 drivers. All approximately 1000w/driver. I would suggest getting the D4 if you were to run the EP4000 with two drivers. One dual opposed box would then be 4ohm total perfect for a bridged EP4000.

i didnt think Diesel stated which drivers hes using. i assumed he was thinking about the Daytons, but yeah the 4Ohm DVC SI drivers match up nice with the EP4K in pairs
post #822 of 1005
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Originally Posted by k2fast4u View Post

EP4000 for 2 drivers, CV5000 for 4 drivers, FP14K for 8 drivers. All approximately 1000w/driver. I would suggest getting the D4 if you were to run the EP4000 with two drivers. One dual opposed box would then be 4ohm total perfect for a bridged EP4000.

Yes, perfect. I might actually end up doing it this way... to start.

LG clones, ugh. Unreliable and loud. No bueno on my end. No bueno.
post #823 of 1005
its hard to beat the ep4k's at under $300 a pop. unless you can find a cv5000 for under $600
post #824 of 1005
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Originally Posted by k2fast4u View Post

EP4000 for 2 drivers, CV5000 for 4 drivers, FP14K for 8 drivers. All approximately 1000w/driver. I would suggest getting the D4 if you were to run the EP4000 with two drivers. One dual opposed box would then be 4ohm total perfect for a bridged EP4000.

Yeah that's what I was thinking for the Daytons so glad I was on the right track. CV5000 running a pair of drivers at 2ohm stereo per side for 1250w per driver. Should absolutely pound! Just need to move now so I have a place to build and put them all in tongue.gif

Scott
post #825 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

If I did not use the LG clone amp for these what is the next suggestion? One crown XLS 5000 per pair? What about the Cerwin Vega 5000? Just trying to figure out what would be best. I would love to use the clone in my current theater however I do not have a dedicated circuit right now. Not sure if that is a requirement or not.

not sure why you wont consider the lg clone, the guy takes paypal now, so you get some level of protection.
post #826 of 1005
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Yes, perfect. I might actually end up doing it this way... to start.

LG clones, ugh. Unreliable and loud. No bueno on my end. No bueno.

You could always get the FP10000Q later on and run one dual opposed off of each channel of the 10Q with the D4's.
post #827 of 1005
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You could always get the FP10000Q later on and run one dual opposed off of each channel of the 10Q with the D4's.

Or not. I'd rather get the 14k if I'm going to bother at all with the LG clones.
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not sure why you wont consider the lg clone, the guy takes paypal now, so you get some level of protection.

One of the reasons for me, and recently pointed out by you, is their super loud fans. That would be quite an issue for me.
post #828 of 1005
Thread Starter 
My FP14K also is supposed to have the "Sunon fans." They are definitely not quiet, but not as much of an issue for me since I just put the amp in a nearby closet/work room. It is a pretty bad A amp though I will admit. Certainly not for everyone though. Honestly if I could have picked up another matching XLS5000 around what I paid for it last December I would have done that instead. But now they are 800+ everywhere and it didn't make sense.
post #829 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Or not. I'd rather get the 14k if I'm going to bother at all with the LG clones.

The only reason I said the 10Q was because there really isn't a good way to hook up the D4's to a 14K.
post #830 of 1005
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The only reason I said the 10Q was because there really isn't a good way to hook up the D4's to a 14K.

There is absolutely a good reason to. Quad driver dual dual-opposed sealed cab ~10cuft with 2,200w to each driver (8,800w 8ohm bridged).
post #831 of 1005
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My FP14K also is supposed to have the "Sunon fans." They are definitely not quiet, but not as much of an issue for me since I just put the amp in a nearby closet/work room. It is a pretty bad A amp though I will admit. Certainly not for everyone though. Honestly if I could have picked up another matching XLS5000 around what I paid for it last December I would have done that instead. But now they are 800+ everywhere and it didn't make sense.

I thought I sold you my other one so you had two??? Or was that Keager? I don't remember anymore.
post #832 of 1005
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I thought I sold you my other one so you had two??? Or was that Keager? I don't remember anymore.

I bought Keagers old FP14K. Did he buy it from you?!?!
post #833 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

There is absolutely a good reason to. Quad driver dual dual-opposed sealed cab ~10cuft with 2,200w to each driver (8,800w 8ohm bridged).

Lots of POWER!!! I like it!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif Not amp limited for sure.
post #834 of 1005
Ok, might be more confused now than ever. smile.gif I am starting off by building 2 subwoofer boxes. Each box will have 2- 18" Dayton drivers. Just like what Gorilla did. I am using his cut sheet so everything will be the same. Later on when my new theater room is finished, I want to add two more boxes with 2 woofers in each again. From the sounds of it my options are the CV5000 to run two boxes. When I build the other two I will need another CV5000 amp. Or buy an LG clone with the loud fain noise that I can hook up all 4 boxes to.
post #835 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

Ok, might be more confused now than ever. smile.gif I am starting off by building 2 subwoofer boxes. Each box will have 2- 18" Dayton drivers. Just like what Gorilla did. I am using his cut sheet so everything will be the same. Later on when my new theater room is finished, I want to add two more boxes with 2 woofers in each again. From the sounds of it my options are the CV5000 to run two boxes. When I build the other two I will need another CV5000 amp. Or buy an LG clone with the loud fain noise that I can hook up all 4 boxes to.

you got it!!
post #836 of 1005
Alright, cool. When wiring the drivers together what type of wattage am I trying to get them to? Not sure which amp direction I am leaning towards but I believe my equipment rack will be outside the HT room so an LG could be a possibility.
post #837 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

Alright, cool. When wiring the drivers together what type of wattage am I trying to get them to? Not sure which amp direction I am leaning towards but I believe my equipment rack will be outside the HT room so an LG could be a possibility.

That comes down to personal preference, but 1k a driver is a nice sweet spot for a Gorilla sized cab.
post #838 of 1005
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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

Ok, might be more confused now than ever. smile.gif I am starting off by building 2 subwoofer boxes. Each box will have 2- 18" Dayton drivers. Just like what Gorilla did. I am using his cut sheet so everything will be the same. Later on when my new theater room is finished, I want to add two more boxes with 2 woofers in each again. From the sounds of it my options are the CV5000 to run two boxes. When I build the other two I will need another CV5000 amp. Or buy an LG clone with the loud fain noise that I can hook up all 4 boxes to.

The LG with the sunon amp's straight from Sanway is not that loud. especially compared to the ep4000 stock, and definitely the crown xls5000. I don't know why everything things they are so loud, I sit less than 10 feet away from mine in a rack that is flush on the bar area wall and it doesn't bother me THAT much. Could it be quiter, heck yea, I plan on modifying the additional fans at some point soon anyways, it doesnt look that hard.

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Originally Posted by Diesel 48 View Post

Alright, cool. When wiring the drivers together what type of wattage am I trying to get them to? Not sure which amp direction I am leaning towards but I believe my equipment rack will be outside the HT room so an LG could be a possibility.

If you are wanting to end up with 8 total drivers, then get dual 2 ohm VC's you can start with four initially wired to 4ohm bridged for the CV. or just two (single cab) in 4 ohm stereo on the Berry, and then when you jump to 8 total drivers, they will wire up 4 drivers per channel at 4 ohm stereo which is a happy place for the LG clone.
post #839 of 1005
Thread Starter 
Beast - I agree the fan noise isn't that bad, and certainly seems better than the stock crown or ep4000. Many will want a silent room between scenes. Personally I like relocating the amps in lieu of fan modding.

Diesel - all of the suggestions given here are solid choices. I ran a crown xls5000 on a pair of these boxes for a while and they pounded. I haven't tried it yet, but I'd imagine it will drive even 4 boxes decently although obviously not to their potential.
post #840 of 1005
As far as stacking , I have been using this stuff for a while. Its great for putting under the floor cabs to.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Duck-Non-adhesive-Solid-Grip-Shelf-Liner-Black/17133839
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