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post #121 of 160
12/27/12 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Which you can watch from the original disk, or rip to a separate file if there's one you ever want to see twice.

Great advice! Going through each playlist/files one by one until you find out what extras each one represents, so much easier eek.gif

Main movie theatrical.mkv
main movie dc.mkv
making of.mkv
deleted scenes.mkv
gag reel.mkv
cast interviews.mkv
trailer.mkv
documentary 1.mkv
documentary 2.mkv

Just because you are not interested in menus/extras/3D does not mean other people are not, you rip to MKV - Great that works for your requirements but don't try and tell everyone that is the best way for them, it just makes you look ignorant.

I prefer just to rip to ISO or Folder (AnyDVD), play the main movie perfectly anytime when needed with XBMC/MPC (No warnings/previews) and then use XBMC/TMT5 146 for 3D/Extras when needed. No need to ever rip any movie to MKV and searching for which playlist represents the main movie (No logical way of knowing on some titles without AnyDVD). I'm getting the exact playback experience as you with XBMC/MPC, and still keep the option of menus/extras/3D with TMT when needed.

That's what I prefer, is it best for everyone, No. Is it best for my requirements, Yes.
Edited by acejh1987 - 12/27/12 at 8:19am
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post #122 of 160
12/27/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

All of the AACS Licensed commercial players will at some time need to be upgraded or you will eventually find a BD that won't play. This is because part of AACS is the ability to revoke keys, forcing an upgrade. Then they'll probably add the Cinavia detection code. Non-AACS Licensed players, like Splash or MPC-HC don't currently have nor will they ever need Cinavia detection. So, if you can live without the menus and previews and warnings (oh my) then just save your money and patience and use a non-licensed player.

I'm going to check out the MPC-HC, I have been using powerdvd9 for blu ray playback but haven't been watching blu rays much so I haven't run into a blu ray that it couldn't play yet....

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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

What will prevent them from playing?

When you rip a newer blu ray that the player doesn't support.. Even if you upgrade to a newer player to play the blu ray now you might run into cinavia. Or am I missing something?
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post #123 of 160
12/27/12 at 8:54am
Not being able to upgrade tmt5 basically makes it a dead product for people who play rips. If you encounter any issues playing newer blu-rays you're basically stuck.

It's probably time to check out the dune players if you want menus. Everyone speaks very highly off them, although i'm curious about whether they're really 100% reliable with playing bd-j menus. You're screwed if you want 3d though.
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post #124 of 160
12/27/12 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

What will prevent them from playing?
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

When you rip a newer blu ray that the player doesn't support.. Even if you upgrade to a newer player to play the blu ray now you might run into cinavia. Or am I missing something?

I think cybrsage means what would prevent the newer Blu-rays playing on older versions of PowerDVD.
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post #125 of 160
12/27/12 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Not being able to upgrade tmt5 basically makes it a dead product for people who play rips. If you encounter any issues playing newer blu-rays you're basically stuck.

If you are using rips, then it will never be a dead product, since you are using other software to remove protection and make the rips, you will still be able to play them back with older versions, that's one of the selling points of AnyDVD, you are able to make a copy that can playback on older software/standalone BD players.
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post #126 of 160
12/27/12 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Not being able to upgrade tmt5 basically makes it a dead product for people who play rips. If you encounter any issues playing newer blu-rays you're basically stuck.
It's probably time to check out the dune players if you want menus. Everyone speaks very highly off them, although i'm curious about whether they're really 100% reliable with playing bd-j menus. You're screwed if you want 3d though.

No, not 100% reliable. The issue is that the big manufacturers (Panny, Sammy, etc...) can easily update the firmware of their players to handle new Bluray encryptions. For Dune it is up to them to do, so this means a much slower response time in the case a new encryption method comes out. Otherwise, I am a big fan of Dunes (I typically rip my BRs to main movie only so full menu support isn't important to me, and I use the BR Rom drive very infrequent)
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post #127 of 160
12/27/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

If you are using rips, then it will never be a dead product, since you are using other software to remove protection and make the rips, you will still be able to play them back with older versions, that's one of the selling points of AnyDVD, you are able to make a copy that can playback on older software/standalone BD players.

That's assuming TMT5 or PowerDVD pre-Cinavia implementation could playback all blu-rays flawlessly. If that's the case then that's reassuring.
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

No, not 100% reliable. The issue is that the big manufacturers (Panny, Sammy, etc...) can easily update the firmware of their players to handle new Bluray encryptions. For Dune it is up to them to do, so this means a much slower response time in the case a new encryption method comes out. Otherwise, I am a big fan of Dunes (I typically rip my BRs to main movie only so full menu support isn't important to me, and I use the BR Rom drive very infrequent)

What if you're strictly playing back decrypted rips. Does it play those 100%?
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post #128 of 160
12/27/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

That's assuming TMT5 or PowerDVD pre-Cinavia implementation could playback all blu-rays flawlessly. If that's the case then that's reassuring.
What if you're strictly playing back decrypted rips. Does it play those 100%?

Not 100%, even for decrypted full disc (for example Avatar caused a lot of problems for a while, and I know there are a handful of other discs that seem to cause issues, I think it was something with the BD-J).

Have you tried the DVDFab player which supposedly supports full BD playback and doesn't have Cinavia?
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post #129 of 160
12/27/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Have you tried the DVDFab player which supposedly supports full BD playback and doesn't have Cinavia?

I've tried this (Its based off XBMC 12 Blu-ray playback source code)
It does playback Blu-ray fine, but it's 'Full Menu' support is lacking, it does play some menus (HDMV) but struggles with a lot of the BD-J menus, they are very buggy and sometimes crash or not load at all.
I wouldn't recommend it at all (Maybe in the future, but its along way off yet)
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post #130 of 160
12/27/12 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by acejh1987 View Post

I've tried this (Its based off XBMC 12 Blu-ray playback source code)
It does playback Blu-ray fine, but it's 'Full Menu' support is lacking, it does play some menus (HDMV) but struggles with a lot of the BD-J menus, they are very buggy and sometimes crash or not load at all.
I wouldn't recommend it at all (Maybe in the future, but its along way off yet)

Interesting, thanks. Still have TMT3 + AnyDVD on my HTPC for discs, and just use MPC HC otherwise for playback. Most of my playback now though is via media players (Dunes, Mede8ers, PCHs, etc...)
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post #131 of 160
1/2/13 at 8:51am
I have an activation key for TMT5 that I bought 2 years ago. I tried to download it from their website and it says "download no longer available" and they want me to buy a new version of tmt5 for another $90. I am guessing that this has do do with the Cinavia crapware update. Does anyone know where I can download an older version (I have a key for it if I can download it)?
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post #132 of 160
1/2/13 at 10:08am
That has absolutely nothing to do with Cinavia.

Downloads of your purchased software are available for a limited time although you had the option at purchase to get an extended download option. You were responsible for downloading and storing the download. If you contact customer service, they may be able to supply you with another download (possible for a nominal fee). I'm not sure if your key can be used to activate a trial version or not.

Edit: If you haven't done your free upgrade yet, you can go to http://www.arcsoft.com/support/free_upgrade.asp

This will give you an activation key that can be used to activate the trial versions.
Edited by vladd - 1/2/13 at 10:17am
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post #133 of 160
1/2/13 at 11:00am
It sounds like I would actually want to "downgrade" to the older version that doesn't recognize the Cinavia.
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post #134 of 160
1/2/13 at 11:56am
The "upgrade" is to give you a new activation key that can be used with the new activation process for their trial software. IIRC, the new activation key can be used for any trial version after .114 but you would have to read through the TMT5 thread or the ArcSoft forums to verify that.
Edited by vladd - 1/2/13 at 12:08pm
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post #135 of 160
1/2/13 at 12:27pm
I head that it would mainly be used on rental disk and not on purchased disk is this true?
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post #136 of 160
1/2/13 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

I head that it would mainly be used on rental disk and not on purchased disk is this true?

Not true. On both.
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post #137 of 160
1/2/13 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

I head that it would mainly be used on rental disk and not on purchased disk is this true?

You mean Cinavia? It has nothing to do with rental vs. purchased disk and believe it is used/present in both.

Of course the other added kick with the Rental disk is now several only include a 5.1 AC3 track (remove the hd audio track)
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post #138 of 160
1/2/13 at 12:40pm
Stereoscopic player has added mkv3d mvc support.
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post #139 of 160
1/4/13 at 6:16am
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The "upgrade" is to give you a new activation key that can be used with the new activation process for their trial software. IIRC, the new activation key can be used for any trial version after .114 but you would have to read through the TMT5 thread or the ArcSoft forums to verify that.

Thank you so much! I had not done the upgrade and did not know about it. I got my new key and found a 5.3.1.146 build. Tested with Battle L.A. and Smurfs. I am good to go!

I really appreciate the info Vladd.

- binarysoldier
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post #140 of 160
1/4/13 at 6:33am
Anytime.
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post #141 of 160
2/6/13 at 5:40pm
I tried MPC for blu ray iso's and it played about half of them.. These are old rips from over two years ago so I don't think cinavia is the reason why it's not playing. I had powerdvd 9 and liked it but lost my key code when upgrading my OS a couple of years ago. I don't mind buying a player again but I don't want cinavia worries so thats why I was hoping mpc would work. I also couldn't figure out how to make it auto lauch through mediabrowser/wmc set up like I did with powerdvd9. Can I do that? Any thing I can do to make it play more consistently as well?
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post #142 of 160
2/6/13 at 7:02pm
If you registered your power dvd and made an account you should be able to retrieve your key from the cyberlink website. You might want to try XBMC for your blue ray isos.
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post #143 of 160
2/8/13 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by sycochkn View Post

If you registered your power dvd and made an account you should be able to retrieve your key from the cyberlink website. You might want to try XBMC for your blue ray isos.


I actually bought the pc with it already one there. This was before I knew a thing about pc's and what I needed to play dvd's and iso's and what not. I used a key code finder and thought I had the code so went ahead and loaded the new os. When I did that I lost the program, I tried to contact the builder but he never responded. I haven't play hd movies on my pc since 2011 now frown.gif. Just kind of settled on dvd for now. I have thought about buying it again but now thinking it over since cinavia and what not. I tried xbmc a few years ago and I didn't like it. I might have to check it out again.

I had been happy with mymovies2 for management and mediabrowser for searching. I recently upgraded my os over to a ssd and lost access to my movies lol.. So now I need to buy that again cause it was same thing as powerdvd where I lost the key code.. I actually thought it was freeware until i went to download it again mymovies 4 that is. So now I am really debating what to do. I was only using mymovies for collection management so I don't think I want to pay $100 again for just that so I am looking into alternatives.

Yeah I got pretty screwed over when I upgraded the OS and to a ssd. It was noob mistakes lol. I did buy anydvd hd again back when I lost that and powerdvd9. Wasn't happy but I didn't learn my lesson cause I lost mymovies after all that lol.
Edited by Ascen5sion - 2/8/13 at 1:29pm
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post #144 of 160
2/8/13 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

I actually bought the pc with it already one there. This was before I new a thing about pc's and what I needed to play dvd's and iso's and what not. I used a key code finder and thought I had the code so went ahead and loaded the new os. When I did that I lost the program, I tried to contact the builder but he never responded. I haven't play hd movies on my pc since 2011 now frown.gif. Just kind of settled on dvd for now. I have thought about buying it again but now thinking it over since cinavia and what not. I tried xbmc a few years ago and I didn't like it. I might have to check it out again.

I had been happy with mymovies2 for management and mediabrowser for searching. I recently upgraded my os over to a ssd and lost access to my movies lol.. So now I need to buy that again cause it was same thing as powerdvd where I lost the key code.. I actually thought it was freeware until i went to download it again mymovies 4 that is. So now I am really debating what to do. I was only using mymovies for collection management so I don't think I want to pay $100 again for just that so I am looking into alternatives.

Yeah I got pretty screwed over when I upgraded the OS and to a ssd. It was noob mistakes lol. I did buy anydvd hd again back when I lost that and powerdvd9. Wasn't happy but I didn't learn my lesson cause I lost mymovies after all that lol.

So it wasn't the PC/OS that had Cinavia, it was the playback software that had Cinavia (PDVD, TMT), correct? You could just go ahead and use a free player (like MPC HC, XBMC, etc...) that doesn't have Cinavia. The only issue of course is you lose full menu support for BRs
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post #145 of 160
2/8/13 at 10:38am
Cinavia is actually embedded in the audio of the movie you are playing. Cinavia detection is in the player you are using, such as PDVD, TMT, standalone hardware players, etc.
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post #146 of 160
2/9/13 at 3:03am
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

I tried MPC for blu ray iso's and it played about half of them.
You should elaborate on this statement. Are you saying that you fed MPC a singular ISO file without first mounting it as a virtual disc?

I've played hundreds of blurays with MPC and it ALWAYS works - but I make sure to feed it the biggest .m2ts file on the disc or at least the correct playlist file (.mpls) for the main feature. The only way to do that with an ISO file is to first mount the ISO as a virtual drive using software like Virtual CloneDrive.

If you just force-feed MPC a .ISO file then it doesn't have any idea what the file structure is inside the .ISO image and will just try to interpret the raw data as a video stream. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, pure luck of the draw.
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post #147 of 160
2/9/13 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by JerryW View Post

You should elaborate on this statement. Are you saying that you fed MPC a singular ISO file without first mounting it as a virtual disc?

I've played hundreds of blurays with MPC and it ALWAYS works - but I make sure to feed it the biggest .m2ts file on the disc or at least the correct playlist file (.mpls) for the main feature. The only way to do that with an ISO file is to first mount the ISO as a virtual drive using software like Virtual CloneDrive.

If you just force-feed MPC a .ISO file then it doesn't have any idea what the file structure is inside the .ISO image and will just try to interpret the raw data as a video stream. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, pure luck of the draw.


I had just switched over to ssd and didn't have virtual clone running properly. I will definitely have to take another look at it. I was just going into the folder and hitting the iso itself. I'm new to mpc so was just poking along with it. I would love it if mpc worked and I didn't need to buy something like powerdvd again, especially with cinavia stuff. I bought the htpc so I could store all of my blu rays since blu ray changers (large one's) were more than a decent htpc.
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post #148 of 160
3/6/13 at 12:29pm
FYI

Dear valued customer,

we would like to inform you, that a new version of AnyDVD has been released. Here the list of fixes and improvements:

7.1.6.0 2013 03 05
- New: Option to disable Cinavia detection when using AnyDVD with ArcSoft
TMT 5.3, TMT 6.0 or PowerDVD 12
- New: Rip to image will create sparse files to reduce the size of
required disc space and faster image creation
- New (Blu-ray): Support for new discs
- New (DVD): Support for new discs
- Fix (DVD): Removing annoyances could make some discs unplayable
- Some minor fixes and improvements
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post #149 of 160
3/6/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by John P View Post

FYI

Dear valued customer,

we would like to inform you, that a new version of AnyDVD has been released. Here the list of fixes and improvements:

7.1.6.0 2013 03 05
- New: Option to disable Cinavia detection when using AnyDVD with ArcSoft
TMT 5.3, TMT 6.0 or PowerDVD 12
- New: Rip to image will create sparse files to reduce the size of
required disc space and faster image creation
- New (Blu-ray): Support for new discs
- New (DVD): Support for new discs
- Fix (DVD): Removing annoyances could make some discs unplayable
- Some minor fixes and improvements

Just an fyi since several people have posted this. Cinavia has not been removed by AnyDVD, it is still present. Instead it appears that AnyDVD blocks the software players on an HTPC from detecting Cinavia (so a work around)
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post #150 of 160
3/6/13 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Ascen5sion View Post

I tried MPC for blu ray iso's and it played about half of them.
You should elaborate on this statement. Are you saying that you fed MPC a singular ISO file without first mounting it as a virtual disc?

I've played hundreds of blurays with MPC and it ALWAYS works - but I make sure to feed it the biggest .m2ts file on the disc or at least the correct playlist file (.mpls) for the main feature. The only way to do that with an ISO file is to first mount the ISO as a virtual drive using software like Virtual CloneDrive.

If you just force-feed MPC a .ISO file then it doesn't have any idea what the file structure is inside the .ISO image and will just try to interpret the raw data as a video stream. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, pure luck of the draw.

This is not true.

http://mikinho.com/wmc/mount-image/
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