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CES 2013 - what to expect?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi,

It's only about two months until the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas where most new TV models for 2013 will be presented.

In 2011 the predictions for what was to be shown at CES 2012 were this, which included:

* 4k resolution (3840 x 2160)
* TV:s that can record to a USB disk while allowing you to watch another channel (today you can only watch the channel being recorded)
* 3D TVs which do not require 3D glasses
* LED backlit TVs with more local dimming zones
* OLED TVs reaching up to ?? inches in size

Looking back, it seems like all of the above was actually presented at CES 2012 (except the second bullet). The products are also available for purchase, except for OLED TVs despite LG and Samsung having promised on several occasions that they should be available in 2012.

Now I just wonder what you think we can expect from CES 2013? I find it hard to come up with much interesting, except for this:

* OLED TVs that actually will be available for purchase
* TV from Apple (not "Apple TV"!)
* 4k TVs at affordable prices
* Anything else?

Please let me know what you think!
Edited by Fjodor2000 - 10/30/12 at 11:06am
post #2 of 19
I'm waiting for my dream TV to be announced, and then somewhat affordable. a 55" "4k", backlit LED with passive 3D.
post #3 of 19
I am hoping for better uniformity and black level performance on LED (from any manufacturer) sets and less IR/Burn-in issues with 2013 Panasonic plasma's.
post #4 of 19
We should hear something about 4K Blu-ray as well. Maybe LG will shock us all and show that 4K OLED prototype they mentioned last year.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by Elrowyn View Post

I'm waiting for my dream TV to be announced, and then somewhat affordable. a 55" "4k", backlit LED with passive 3D.

I can't imagine getting any benefit out of a 4K tv thats small. I would imagine the minimum would be 65" to get any real use.
post #6 of 19
I expect products shown that never make it to market, OEM's offering more features with less picture performance, edge lit displays that still have the same problems they've had for the last 3 years and no local dimming without a flagship price tag. It's been trending that way for the last couple of years and other than bigger sizes, 2012 was the worst year for LCD displays since I've joined this forum.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by kdog750 View Post

I can't imagine getting any benefit out of a 4K tv thats small. I would imagine the minimum would be 65" to get any real use.

There is benefit in resolution even at smaller sizes. Maybe as low as 55"-60". Even if it is not as obvious as with the bigger 70-90" screens, you will get higher bit color and dynamic range. You will get greater than HD Passive 3D (3840x1080) vs (1980x1080) active 3D, and you will get SimulView. That lets 2 people watch two different shows at the same time on the same full screen at 1080p. Also, great for gamers that like split-screen.

http://mashable.com/2011/12/08/sony-3d-television-simulview/
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by sytech View Post

There is benefit in resolution even at smaller sizes. Maybe as low as 55"-60". Even if it is not as obvious as with the bigger 70-90" screens, you will get higher bit color and dynamic range. You will get greater than HD Passive 3D (3840x1080) vs (1980x1080) active 3D, and you will get SimulView. That lets 2 people watch two different shows at the same time on the same full screen at 1080p. Also, great for gamers that like split-screen.
http://mashable.com/2011/12/08/sony-3d-television-simulview/

Even closer to home, this display would be able to show full 1980x1080 passive 3D with current sources.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
So do you at least think we'll see OLED TVs available for purchase in 2013? In spring, summer, autumn or winter? And at what prices?

I thought 2012 was going to be the year of initial OLED introduction, and 2013 the year of increasing volumes and starting of price drops....?
post #10 of 19
according to DisplayMate there will only be 500 OLEd shipments in 2012, 50.000 OLEd's in 2013 and by 2016 there will be 9.000.000 OLEd's sold. 500 OLEd's is not a introduction its a joke smile.gif so introduction will be in 2013 (some say spring others say winter so it is not clear at this point) .Interesting is that OLEd will only be sold in 50''+ sizes. Also interesting is that there will be very few 4K Ultra HD OLEd's.

http://www.cepro.com/article/the_looming_ultra_hd_4k_oled_war/
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by topr View Post

I expect products shown that never make it to market, OEM's offering more features with less picture performance, edge lit displays that still have the same problems they've had for the last 3 years and no local dimming without a flagship price tag. It's been trending that way for the last couple of years and other than bigger sizes, 2012 was the worst year for LCD displays since I've joined this forum.

love it.....unfortuneately i think you'll be spot on.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
The CES 2013 rumors are now starting to roll in. See the rumors for the Samsung CES 2013 releases:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1352122216

Multiple OLED TV versions expected, among other things... tongue.gif
post #13 of 19
Sharp LC-60HQ1 is the first 60" 4K-LED-LCD from Sharp, starting in February in Japan:

http://en.akihabaranews.com/121508/home-entertainment/sharp-out-the-icc-purios-4k-60-lcd-tv-in-japan

Expect the US/EU-Version at CES 2013.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by ALMA View Post

Sharp LC-60HQ1 is the first 60" 4K-LED-LCD from Sharp, starting in February in Japan:
http://en.akihabaranews.com/121508/home-entertainment/sharp-out-the-icc-purios-4k-60-lcd-tv-in-japan
Expect the US/EU-Version at CES 2013.

Holy Crap! $30,000 USD. Now I know how Sharp plans on getting out of debt.smile.gif Makes that 84" 4K LG at $17K seem like a bargain.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by topr View Post

2012 was the worst year for LCD displays since I've joined this forum.

Right on! and it's such a disappointment for tech and pq lovers.
post #16 of 19
All these over priced TVS I mean do companies expect people to go into debt for a 10k plus tv we are not talking a car here people yes I know yours should not be putting that much on credit period then for a tv guezz but we all know there are people out there that do it all the time
post #17 of 19
Hope we will see at least one big screen with full array local dimming!
post #18 of 19
Kiro Elite like deep blacks. 65"-70" 4k. A set that size, I think 9-12 k would be reasonable. And I think crazy A/V hobbiest like us would end up paying it. Because its the best, top of the line, and newest tech. Look at the high end projector thread. There's quite a few peps went out to get the 25k Sony 1000 ES. WoW!
post #19 of 19
rumour is that Panasonic will stop Plasma r&d. So Plasma is almost done.
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