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I wasn't bashing anyone for lovin' SW, so please don't think that.
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I wasn't bashing anyone for lovin' SW, so please don't think that.

Star Wars (and the recent glut of superhero movies) probably fall under the "fantasy" genre more than "sci-fi",.......I And as a "Trek" lover, this really should've grabbed me........
I think I saw how paper-thin the story really is; everything is stark black and white with no shades of grey whatsoever. I mean, I could see Vader scaring a few 4 year-olds, but found nothing scary about him at all.


If the above is not bashing I don't know what is.
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Star Wars (and the recent glut of superhero movies) probably fall under the "fantasy" genre more than "sci-fi", IMO. And sci-fi is my favorite genre, as far as movies go. But since you asked, I was 15 when Ep4 was released, and probably didn't actually see it until almost 19 years of age. And as a "Trek" lover, this really should've grabbed me.
I told someone not long ago, that perhaps I would've fallen for the franchise hook-line-and-sinker if I were a bit younger. But coming in a little later, I think I saw how paper-thin the story really is; everything is stark black and white with no shades of grey whatsoever. I mean, I could see Vader scaring a few 4 year-olds, but found nothing scary about him at all. Lucas could've went a bit "darker" with that character at least.
But this thread has not gone "off-the-rails". Yet.

I agree that at 15 year old (let alone a 19 year old) the "experience" would have been different than that of someone under 10 years old back in 1977. You weren't still playing with toys, I don't guess wink.gif , and you would have had far more interests besides a movie. The story may be thin but it wasn't without substance IMO. Much of the visuals helped to tell the story and it also really fed the imagination. Again, I was 7 at the time. There was no way you could put me in a spaceship and I couldn't tell you how to get to Tattooine.

Vader I never really felt was supposed to be scary. Sinister and intimidating for sure and a huge mystery about him but not so much scary. Lucas originally had a more scary vision for Vader but felt it went too far. He was just so different. I'll never forget seeing his entrance (one of the best in all of film for a villian IMO) and then seeing his imposing mask break frame with that breathing. There just wasn't anything like it and it serves as a dominant memory in my childhood. I know there are many that had the "experience" feel the same way. Heck, here at work, when the news of the sale broke it became a dominant conversation for a good part of the day. I didn't even realize my coworkers were fans but they sure had their thoughts about the deal and recalling their memories. But again, they all would have been in that 5-12 range back in 77.
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No one asked but I personally didn't take Rezzy's comments or tone as bashing in any way.
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I didn’t see that movie, but that is probably the best and most fitting character Seth Rogen has ever done.
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I didn’t see that movie, but that is probably the best and most fitting character Seth Rogen has ever done.

I totally missed that he actually was played by Seth Rogen. Must be the haircut.
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I totally missed that he actually was played by Seth Rogen. Must be the haircut.
His teeth are also fake.
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

There just wasn't anything like it and it serves as a dominant memory in my childhood. I know there are many that had the "experience" feel the same way. Heck, here at work, when the news of the sale broke it became a dominant conversation for a good part of the day. I didn't even realize my coworkers were fans but they sure had their thoughts about the deal and recalling their memories. But again, they all would have been in that 5-12 range back in 77.
I "dissected" the movie, but I did not bash anyone. Again, much of the cinematography for SW was groundbreaking at the time and lead to the creation of ILM; I'm terribly impressed with that. I've seen behind-the-scenes where their sound-design was mostly custom-crafted, and that too, was amazing. But I still feel without the influence of ST and a host of other films, this franchise could not be possible.

In 1977, GL certainly took fantasy/sci-fi to a "whole 'nother level", but I wouldn't call him the greatest storyteller ever. And if the unaltered originals are ever released, I'll be first in line to buy.
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In 1977, GL certainly took fantasy/sci-fi to a "whole 'nother level", but I wouldn't call him the greatest storyteller ever.

Taking it to another level is usually what filmmaking is about. Most stuff has been done one way or another. Its just combining old stuff and present it in new way that you can create something fantastic.

Star Wars (Ep IV) is a great way how you can construct a story and make seemless introduction of characters wihtout slowing down the progress of the movie.
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I "dissected" the movie, but I did not bash anyone. Again, much of the cinematography for SW was groundbreaking at the time and lead to the creation of ILM; I'm terribly impressed with that. I've seen behind-the-scenes where their sound-design was mostly custom-crafted, and that too, was amazing. But I still feel without the influence of ST and a host of other films, this franchise could not be possible.
In 1977, GL certainly took fantasy/sci-fi to a "whole 'nother level", but I wouldn't call him the greatest storyteller ever. And if the unaltered originals are ever released, I'll be first in line to buy.

The part you dont understand is the visuals and special effects are part of the storytelling. You are saying if you strip off the special effects and visuals Starwars is just a movie about black/white cardboard characters. Thats like saying a Ferrari isn't that fast once you take out the engine. The whole point is Lucas revolutionized storytelling with visuals in Starwars. The opening scene with the Star Destroyer is one of the most important and ground breaking scenes in cinema and story telling.

Bottom line is Lucas has created a story like no other with Starwars. What other storyteller has his stories talked about and even receited WORD for WORD almost 40 years later? Did you notice in last years Superbowl there was a commercial with Darth Vader in it? Do you think we will have a Harry Potter commercial in the Superbowl 40 years from now? Of course not. What other book or story is worth $4 Billion? What other story sold more movies, toys, videogames, and books? There are only a handful of stories that have had such a cultural impact like Starwars in its time. Denying that Lucas is one of the greatest storytellers of the 20th Century is being dishonest.
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There are only a handful of stories that have had such a cultural impact like Starwars in its time. Denying that Lucas is one of the greatest storytellers of the 20th Century is being dishonest.

Would you say that Star Wars would have as much cultural significance had it been released today instead of 1977? I'm a huge Star Wars nut but I believe it's also a product of being in the right place and time, and the visual splendor of it was more impactful than its actual story, which when you break it down is a simple good vs evil tale in an otherwordly setting. I get that the visuals played a huge role in how the story was portrayed, but would this generation have taken to it like the one 30 years ago?
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No, it wouldn't be as significant today. But then again, neither would most movies IMO. It was definitely the right place at the right time. Sure, Star Trek, 2001: A Space Odyssey among others certainly had their influence on Lucas creating Star Wars. George Lucas had an idea for a story with a strong visual behind it. He's a heavy visual storyteller, that's just his style and I believe you have to take his visuals into account when calling him a storyteller. And when creating a fantasy world you really rely on the visual aspect even if you're just reading it. I personally would argue that Raiders of the Lost Ark was a much more cohesive story than Star Wars but mainly because it wasn't a fantasy world. The script played a bigger part than the visuals but that's not to say the visuals weren't important.

One other factor that I feel gets SEVERELY underrated when discussing the success of Star Wars was the score. I'm being totally honest and totally serious when I tell say......wait for it.......Star Wars doesn't become half the phenomenon that it was/is without John Williams score. There aren't many film soundtracks that tell the story just as the film would. This is as much a part of telling the story as any other aspect of the movie.
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The part you dont understand is the visuals and special effects are part of the storytelling. You are saying if you strip off the special effects and visuals Starwars is just a movie about black/white cardboard characters. Thats like saying a Ferrari isn't that fast once you take out the engine. The whole point is Lucas revolutionized storytelling with visuals in Starwars. The opening scene with the Star Destroyer is one of the most important and ground breaking scenes in cinema and story telling.
Bottom line is Lucas has created a story like no other with Starwars. What other storyteller has his stories talked about and even receited WORD for WORD almost 40 years later? Did you notice in last years Superbowl there was a commercial with Darth Vader in it? Do you think we will have a Harry Potter commercial in the Superbowl 40 years from now? Of course not. What other book or story is worth $4 Billion? What other story sold more movies, toys, videogames, and books? There are only a handful of stories that have had such a cultural impact like Starwars in its time. Denying that Lucas is one of the greatest storytellers of the 20th Century is being dishonest.

Do you really need to be so insulting?
post #135 of 476
SW is/was a phenomena, domestically and internationally.
Most especially when you consider Ep. IV was released 35 years ago and it is STILL being talked about with such passion all over this blue planet.

I don't know about anyone else, but I am excited to see where the saga goes from here.
The children/grandchildren of Leia and Han?
Luke's destiny?
Yes, please.smile.gif
post #136 of 476
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

One other factor that I feel gets SEVERELY underrated when discussing the success of Star Wars was the score. I'm being totally honest and totally serious when I tell say......wait for it.......Star Wars doesn't become half the phenomenon that it was/is without John Williams score. There aren't many film soundtracks that tell the story just as the film would. This is as much a part of telling the story as any other aspect of the movie.

Bingo! There's no denying that. Anyone with a backround in music knows that the right score with its nuances can rachet up a person's involvement in a movie. Play a certain song and it can instantly take you back to a time and place and bring back certain feelings.
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Bingo! There's no denying that. Anyone with a backround in music knows that the right score with its nuances can rachet up a person's involvement in a movie. Play a certain song and it can instantly take you back to a time and place and bring back certain feelings.

Yes. Even the disco version of the main title! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

No, it wouldn't be as significant today. But then again, neither would most movies IMO. It was definitely the right place at the right time. Sure, Star Trek, 2001: A Space Odyssey among others certainly had their influence on Lucas creating Star Wars. George Lucas had an idea for a story with a strong visual behind it. He's a heavy visual storyteller, that's just his style and I believe you have to take his visuals into account when calling him a storyteller. And when creating a fantasy world you really rely on the visual aspect even if you're just reading it. I personally would argue that Raiders of the Lost Ark was a much more cohesive story than Star Wars but mainly because it wasn't a fantasy world. The script played a bigger part than the visuals but that's not to say the visuals weren't important.
One other factor that I feel gets SEVERELY underrated when discussing the success of Star Wars was the score. I'm being totally honest and totally serious when I tell say......wait for it.......Star Wars doesn't become half the phenomenon that it was/is without John Williams score. There aren't many film soundtracks that tell the story just as the film would. This is as much a part of telling the story as any other aspect of the movie.

Agree with all that.
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

This should allude the fears of SW fans:
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_472_what-george-lucas-will-do-now-19-terrifying-guesses_p19/

LMAO!!!!

That was a good one! My mouth was open too! LMAO!
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This should allude the fears of SW fans:
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_472_what-george-lucas-will-do-now-19-terrifying-guesses_p19/

Yep....still laughing!
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

The part you dont understand is the visuals and special effects are part of the storytelling. You are saying if you strip off the special effects and visuals Starwars is just a movie about black/white cardboard characters. Thats like saying a Ferrari isn't that fast once you take out the engine. The whole point is Lucas revolutionized storytelling with visuals in Starwars. The opening scene with the Star Destroyer is one of the most important and ground breaking scenes in cinema and story telling.
I just said the same thing, and I understand story-telling/movie-making better than you'd ever know. And I agree with ClosetGeek that the musical score is also a big part of SWs' success.


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Bottom line is Lucas has created a story like no other with Starwars. What other storyteller has his stories talked about and even receited WORD for WORD almost 40 years later? Did you notice in last years Superbowl there was a commercial with Darth Vader in it? Do you think we will have a Harry Potter commercial in the Superbowl 40 years from now? Of course not. What other book or story is worth $4 Billion? What other story sold more movies, toys, videogames, and books? There are only a handful of stories that have had such a cultural impact like Starwars in its time. Denying that Lucas is one of the greatest storytellers of the 20th Century is being dishonest.
If you check the other thread here at AVS, you'd see where I posted that 4BiL seems like a low-ball figure for the franchise. You also missed where I said I'd buy the unaltered originals if ever released. But I didn't miss where you changed your mantra; you went from GL being the "greatest" to "one of the greatest" story tellers.

And if anyone wants to crap on Star Trek, no problem. I won't wet my pants.
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Originally Posted by rezzy View Post

I just said the same thing, and I understand story-telling/movie-making better than you'd ever know. And I agree with ClosetGeek that the musical score is also a big part of SWs' success.
If you check the other thread here at AVS, you'd see where I posted that 4BiL seems like a low-ball figure for the franchise. You also missed where I said I'd buy the unaltered originals if ever released. But I didn't miss where you changed your mantra; you went from GL being the "greatest" to "one of the greatest" story tellers.
And if anyone wants to crap on Star Trek, no problem. I won't wet my pants.

I never said Lucas was the greatest storyteller ever.
I said he was ONE of the greatest storyteller of the 20th CENTURY.

check your facts jack.
post #144 of 476
Enough people say he's the greatest; maybe they know something I don't. http://chronicle.com/article/Why-George-Lucas-Is-the/134942/
Edited by rezzy - 11/9/12 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Yep....still laughing!

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LMAO!!!!
That was a good one! My mouth was open too! LMAO!
Seriously?

It was mildly amusing at best.
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Nope. Maybe a bemused grin or two.

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Nope. Maybe a bemused grin or two.
Man...tough crowd.tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Man...tough crowd.tongue.gif

Maybe I've become my dad eek.gif

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