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What did he do with it?

Midichlorians.
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Midichlorians.

Exactly.
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Midichlorians.
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Exactly.

Ah, that false internet meme is still bothering some. I thought it was mostly still limited to the Ain't It Cool News Talkback crowd.

  • Midi-chloians ≠ the force
  • Midi-chloians don't change the nature of the force, and only offer a partial explanation of how one can interact with it
  • The force itself remains as mysterious as it ever was
  • Midi-chloians date back to the time of the original Star Wars, and were always part of Lucas' concept of the force

if that's still not enough, and you still consider the very idea heresy, consider that most if our knowledge of them was relayed by Qui-Gon, who wasn't the most orthodox of the Jedi. Maybe what he stated was mostly his own opinion. After all, Anakin's Midi-chlorian count in itself wasn't enough to sway the Jedi Council. We know that some Jedi have a certain point of view on some matters that others may not agree with.

Scott
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Ah, that false internet meme is still bothering some. I thought it was mostly still limited to the Ain't It Cool News Talkback crowd.
  • Midi-chloians ≠ the force
  • Midi-chloians don't change the nature of the force, and only offer a partial explanation of how one can interact with it
  • The force itself remains as mysterious as it ever was
  • Midi-chloians date back to the time of the original Star Wars, and were always part of Lucas' concept of the force
if that's still not enough, and you still consider the very idea heresy, consider that most if our knowledge of them was relayed by Qui-Gon, who wasn't the most orthodox of the Jedi. Maybe what he stated was mostly his own opinion. After all, Anakin's Midi-chlorian count in itself wasn't enough to sway the Jedi Council. We know that some Jedi have a certain point of view on some matters that others may not agree with.
Scott
I bow to superior SW nerdness.wink.gif
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Ah, that false internet meme is still bothering some. I thought it was mostly still limited to the Ain't It Cool News Talkback crowd.

[*] Midi-chloians ≠ the force
[*] Midi-chloians don't change the nature of the force, and only offer a partial explanation of how one can interact with it
[*] The force itself remains as mysterious as it ever was

You George Lucas apologists will forgive the man anything, won't you?
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[*] Midi-chloians date back to the time of the original Star Wars, and were always part of Lucas' concept of the force

Right, and George Lucas always wanted Greedo to shoot at Han first, but it just wasn't technologically possible to shoot the scene that way in the 1970s. rolleyes.gif
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Right, and George Lucas always wanted Greedo to shoot at Han first, but it just wasn't technologically possible to shoot the scene that way in the 1970s. rolleyes.gif
Of course!biggrin.gif
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Does that mean we will get more Jar Jar Binks? We need more Jar Jar Binks to bring Star Wars back to greatness!
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Meesum don't agree! smile.gif
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Does that mean we will get more Jar Jar Binks? We need more Jar Jar Binks to bring Star Wars back to greatness!
Meesum doubt Disney is that dumb.tongue.gif
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You George Lucas apologists will forgive the man anything, won't you?

And it's easier for critics to dismiss a posting by simply attributing it to an apologist rather than address the points of the argument.
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Right, and George Lucas always wanted Greedo to shoot at Han first, but it just wasn't technologically possible to shoot the scene that way in the 1970s. rolleyes.gif

Nice try with that non sequitur, but an invalid comparison.

Midi-chlorians date back at least to 1977:
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"It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells."

The quote is taken from the guidelines dictated by Lucas for Star Wars spinoff material, following the success of the first movie. This is documented in J. W. Rinzler's book, The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film.

Scott
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And it's easier for critics to dismiss a posting by simply attributing it to an apologist rather than address the points of the argument.
Nice try with that non sequitur, but an invalid comparison.
Midi-chlorians date back at least to 1977:
The quote is taken from the guidelines dictated by Lucas for Star Wars spinoff material, following the success of the first movie. This is documented in J. W. Rinzler's book, The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film.
Scott

Midichlorians are nowhere to be seen or heard in the movies, up until the prequels, and 99.99999999% of people who love or like Star Wars, will never have heard of it up until then. And seeing as how the Star Wars universe is, and should be limited to the movies for the most part, what GL said and is quoted in a book, is of little consequence. No one that is enamored by the beauty and mystique of the force had ever heard of it until 1999. It's an idea that GL should have left where it was. It was a bad idea to bring it "back out of hiding" and speaks to how out of touch he is with the fans.

No matter how you spin it, GL really shouldn't be allowed as close to the movies as he will unfortunately be allowed.
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And seeing as how the Star Wars universe is, and should be limited to the movies for the most part, what GL said and is quoted in a book, is of little consequence. No one that is enamored by the beauty and mystique of the force had ever heard of it until 1999. It's an idea that GL should have left where it was. It was a bad idea to bring it "back out of hiding" .
I have to agree with this.

Midichlorians was kinda unnecessary IMO.

Although I understand GL was trying to translate something that had been mostly mystical (THE FORCE) to a measurable scientific phenomena, it felt out of place in the spirit of that which is Star Wars.
IMO, he lost sight of The Big Picture a bit with this....
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I have to agree with this.
Midichlorians was kinda unnecessary IMO.
Although I understand GL was trying to translate something that had been mostly mystical (THE FORCE) to a measurable scientific phenomena, it felt out of place in the spirit of that which is Star Wars.
IMO, he lost sight of The Big Picture a bit with this....

Exactly. And that's one of my points; he seems to focus on minutiae and loses sight of the overall breadth of the story and at the same time is unable to connect the dots in a coherent way. His storytelling is not a strong suit in my opinion. I know others don't agree, but it's how I see it.
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I have to agree with this.
Midichlorians was kinda unnecessary IMO.
Although I understand GL was trying to translate something that had been mostly mystical (THE FORCE) to a measurable scientific phenomena, it felt out of place in the spirit of that which is Star Wars.
IMO, he lost sight of The Big Picture a bit with this....

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Exactly. And that's one of my points; he seems to focus on minutiae and loses sight of the overall breadth of the story and at the same time is unable to connect the dots in a coherent way. His storytelling is not a strong suit in my opinion. I know others don't agree, but it's how I see it.


well george really only made 4 mistakes. changing han from shooting first, trying to quantify midichlorians, giving jar jar such a big role, and casting hayden christiansen.

if he had avoided those mistakes more than 50% of all the hate would vanish.

oops one more, not releasing the ot.
post #255 of 476
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well george really only made 4 mistakes. changing han from shooting first, trying to quantify midichlorians, giving jar jar such a big role, and casting hayden christiansen.
if he had avoided those mistakes more than 50% of all the hate would vanish.
oops one more, not releasing the ot.

Pretty much this, yeah. Although I can live without the OT but I think it should still be available for those that want it. Even Hayden doesn't bother me all that much. It's just his dialog. Worse than Jar-Jar, easily.
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well george really only made 4 mistakes. changing han from shooting first, trying to quantify midichlorians, giving jar jar such a big role, and casting hayden christiansen.
if he had avoided those mistakes more than 50% of all the hate would vanish.
oops one more, not releasing the ot.
I agree with 4 of 'em.

HC has grown on me.
Anakin couldn't be all warm and fuzzy.
In order to match the DV in the OT, Anakin had to have the potential, the believability to end up as Vader.
For example, NO ONE can picture Luke as a Sith Lord....the math just does not work.wink.gif
post #257 of 476
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well george really only made 4 mistakes. changing han from shooting first, trying to quantify midichlorians, giving jar jar such a big role, and casting hayden christiansen.
if he had avoided those mistakes more than 50% of all the hate would vanish.
oops one more, not releasing the ot.

I'd like to add adding all of the digital creatures into the special editions, green lighting Jar Jar as a character, not letting someone else direct the prequels(Hayden isn't a bad actor actually), not watching the OT before filming the prequels(too many things don't make sense or add up), and aiming the movies at kids.
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Midichlorians are nowhere to be seen or heard in the movies, up until the prequels, and 99.99999999% of people who love or like Star Wars, will never have heard of it up until then. And seeing as how the Star Wars universe is, and should be limited to the movies for the most part, what GL said and is quoted in a book, is of little consequence. No one that is enamored by the beauty and mystique of the force had ever heard of it until 1999. It's an idea that GL should have left where it was. It was a bad idea to bring it "back out of hiding" and speaks to how out of touch he is with the fans.
No matter how you spin it, GL really shouldn't be allowed as close to the movies as he will unfortunately be allowed.
Whether or not fans had knowledge of Midi-chlorians before The Phantom Menace isn't the point. After all, If the prequels were strictly limited to what was shown in the first three movies, they would be severely limited in scope. Just because the audience hadn't heard of them before doesn't mean that they didn't exist in the Star Wars universe.

I only brought it up because it shows that it was part of his concept of the force since it's inception, not just something new that was grafted on 20 years later.

The "beauty and mystique" of the force still remains unchanged and unaffected by the new information.
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I have to agree with this.
Midichlorians was kinda unnecessary IMO.
Although I understand GL was trying to translate something that had been mostly mystical (THE FORCE) to a measurable scientific phenomena, it felt out of place in the spirit of that which is Star Wars.
IMO, he lost sight of The Big Picture a bit with this....
I don't see it as trying to bring science to the force; he's never been concerned about that with the other technology shown in the movies. These aren't science fiction films, they're science fantasy, and always intended that way. What they do offer are interesting hints as to Anakin's origins, echoed in Palpatine's discussion with him during the opera scene. They also offer more fodder for fans to speculate what role the force may have played over the course of the movies. At one point, fans would have taken up that challenge, offering their own views and opinions on how this all played out. That's a big difference in the fan base that existed back in the 70's and 80's compared to today.

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Exactly. And that's one of my points; he seems to focus on minutiae and loses sight of the overall breadth of the story and at the same time is unable to connect the dots in a coherent way. His storytelling is not a strong suit in my opinion. I know others don't agree, but it's how I see it.
The Midi-chlorian discussion last for what, two minutes on screen? For a movie that lasts for over two hours? That hardly seems to be a major focus of the movie.

Without Lucas, there would be no Star Wars. To eliminate his influence from future movies would be a lost opportunity. It does look like he's giving some fans exactly what they'be been asking for - a general storyline, fleshed out by another writer, filmed by a different director, and produced by someone other that Rick McCallum.

Scott
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Whether or not fans had knowledge of Midi-chlorians before The Phantom Menace isn't the point. After all, If the prequels were strictly limited to what was shown in the first three movies, they would be severely limited in scope. Just because the audience hadn't heard of them before doesn't mean that they didn't exist in the Star Wars universe.
I only brought it up because it shows that it was part of his concept of the force since it's inception, not just something new that was grafted on 20 years later.
The "beauty and mystique" of the force still remains unchanged and unaffected by the new information.
I don't see it as trying to bring science to the force; he's never been concerned about that with the other technology shown in the movies. These aren't science fiction films, they're science fantasy, and always intended that way. What they do offer are interesting hints as to Anakin's origins, echoed in Palpatine's discussion with him during the opera scene. They also offer more fodder for fans to speculate what role the force may have played over the course of the movies. At one point, fans would have taken up that challenge, offering their own views and opinions on how this all played out. That's a big difference in the fan base that existed back in the 70's and 80's compared to today.
The Midi-chlorian discussion last for what, two minutes on screen? For a movie that lasts for over two hours? That hardly seems to be a major focus of the movie.
It's true the midichlorain element is a very minor part of the prequels.
Because of that, and to remove unnecessary confusion/consternation, GL should have just let it go.
Ultimately, it doesn't really help the drama.
post #260 of 476
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I have to agree with this.
Midichlorians was kinda unnecessary IMO.
Although I understand GL was trying to translate something that had been mostly mystical (THE FORCE) to a measurable scientific phenomena, it felt out of place in the spirit of that which is Star Wars.
IMO, he lost sight of The Big Picture a bit with this....

I think the whole Midichlorians was to show how powerful anakin was/could have been. You notice that soon as Qui Gonn saw the count he compared it to Yoda. It was just used a measuring stick since of course Anakin would never fight yoda nor palpatine so we would never know how truly powerful he was/couldve been


Another thing is GL did a poor job of even showing how powerful the kid was. Even in the clone war cartoons we still dont get a sense of how good the kid is or how good a pilot he was. Yet throughout the entire original trilogy he was portrayed as a legend of some sort. Like the Michael Jordan of the Force or something
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It does look like he's giving some fans exactly what they'be been asking for - a general storyline, fleshed out by another writer, filmed by a different director, and produced by someone other that Rick McCallum.

Oh don't worry - those same complainers will be complaining just as loudly come 2015. It is inevitable that nerds will continue to bitch/moan/nitpick for months/years on end about movies that they claim to despise. What do you think keeps this section of AVS alive?

As to midichlorians, I saw them as something placed there in TPM to eventually explain (although not totally) in ROTS that Sidious/Palpatine was perhaps responsible for Anakin's "virgin birth" and to explain why one w/ a high level of them in their system would pass them on to their children...esp a pair of fraternal twins. I too recall GL's early reference to them mentioned in JW Rinzler's book.

On that note, recently saw that Rinzler's Making of ROTJ is currently in the final editing process & is due fall 2013. Curious to check out that one & get a better sense of what went on behind the scenes.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 12/7/12 at 8:30am
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I think the whole Midichlorians was to show how powerful anakin was/could have been. You notice that soon as Qui Gonn saw the count he compared it to Yoda. It was just used a measuring stick since of course Anakin would never fight yoda nor palpatine so we would never know how truly powerful he was/couldve been
Fair enough.
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Another thing is GL did a poor job of even showing how powerful the kid was. Yet throughout the entire original trilogy he was portrayed as a legend of some sort. Like the Michael Jordan of the Force or something
I noticed that too.
However, The Force is something one grows into and learns how to master.

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As to midichlorians, I saw them as something placed there in TPM to eventually explain (although not totally) in ROTS that Sidious/Palpatine was perhaps responsible for Anakin's "virgin birth" and to explain why one w/ a high level of them in their system would pass them on to their children...esp a pair of fraternal twins.
Another good point.

There are subtle hints as to who might have sired Anakin, but it really isn't nailed down.
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I agree with 4 of 'em.
HC has grown on me.
Anakin couldn't be all warm and fuzzy.
In order to match the DV in the OT, Anakin had to have the potential, the believability to end up as Vader.
For example, NO ONE can picture Luke as a Sith Lord....the math just does not work.wink.gif


agreed, just that hayeden never came across to me as believeable as a future darth vader. i think another actor could have been more convincing.
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I'd like to add adding all of the digital creatures into the special editions, green lighting Jar Jar as a character, not letting someone else direct the prequels(Hayden isn't a bad actor actually), not watching the OT before filming the prequels(too many things don't make sense or add up), and aiming the movies at kids.

i actually liked most of the embellishments g.l. added to the ot, except the one that changed han's entire character

i thought the shock waves when alderaan and the death star explode were particularly nice

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Oh don't worry - those same complainers will be complaining just as loudly come 2015. It is inevitable that nerds will continue to bitch/moan/nitpick for months/years on end about movies that they claim to despise. What do you think keeps this section of AVS alive?
As to midichlorians, I saw them as something placed there in TPM to eventually explain (although not totally) in ROTS that Sidious/Palpatine was perhaps responsible for Anakin's "virgin birth" and to explain why one w/ a high level of them in their system would pass them on to their children...esp a pair of fraternal twins. I too recall GL's early reference to them mentioned in JW Rinzler's book.
On that note, recently saw that Rinzler's Making of ROTJ is currently in the final editing process & is due fall 2013. Curious to check out that one & get a better sense of what went on behind the scenes.


the hint of an explanation in Ep III for the virgin birth was most assuaging to me, and one important plot narrative that was mostly overlooked.

i'm really glad george put that in as i had my eyes rolling when he introduced it in Ep I.

the half ass explanation of the force via midichlorian count would have been better served if some further explanation had been provided in the other pqs
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As to midichlorians, I saw them as something placed there in TPM to eventually explain (although not totally) in ROTS that Sidious/Palpatine was perhaps responsible for Anakin's "virgin birth" and to explain why one w/ a high level of them in their system would pass them on to their children...esp a pair of fraternal twins.

How do you arrive at Sidious possibly being responsible?
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i actually liked most of the embellishments g.l. added to the ot, except the one that changed han's entire character
i thought the shock waves when alderaan and the death star explode were particularly nice
+1
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Whether or not fans had knowledge of Midi-chlorians before The Phantom Menace isn't the point. After all, If the prequels were strictly limited to what was shown in the first three movies, they would be severely limited in scope. Just because the audience hadn't heard of them before doesn't mean that they didn't exist in the Star Wars universe.
I only brought it up because it shows that it was part of his concept of the force since it's inception, not just something new that was grafted on 20 years later.
The "beauty and mystique" of the force still remains unchanged and unaffected by the new information.
I don't see it as trying to bring science to the force; he's never been concerned about that with the other technology shown in the movies. These aren't science fiction films, they're science fantasy, and always intended that way. What they do offer are interesting hints as to Anakin's origins, echoed in Palpatine's discussion with him during the opera scene. They also offer more fodder for fans to speculate what role the force may have played over the course of the movies. At one point, fans would have taken up that challenge, offering their own views and opinions on how this all played out. That's a big difference in the fan base that existed back in the 70's and 80's compared to today.
The Midi-chlorian discussion last for what, two minutes on screen? For a movie that lasts for over two hours? That hardly seems to be a major focus of the movie.
Without Lucas, there would be no Star Wars. To eliminate his influence from future movies would be a lost opportunity. It does look like he's giving some fans exactly what they'be been asking for - a general storyline, fleshed out by another writer, filmed by a different director, and produced by someone other that Rick McCallum.
Scott

Going by your logic, GL can bring up anything he wishes, and say it was always a part of the SW universe, it was just never brought up before. This is flawed logic in my opinion. If we weren't talking about a series of movies, where midichlorians could have been brought up any number of times, then I'd feel differently. Midichlorians feels grafted on as an afterthought and really should have been left out. And yes, the mysticism and mystery of the force was severely crippled by the addition of midichlorians.

I don't see it the fact that midichlorians showing limited screen time as an admission of them not being a major focus of the movie. To my eyes, it was a very large part of the movie, and the going forward, the series in general. The fact that they had so little screen time and still be a big deal should tell you how important it is to SW as a whole.

Why people keep going back to GL having created SW, as a good reason for him being a part of it going forward...I don't know. Yes, we know he created it, but what he's done with it is a testament to the fact that better minds need to take the reins and create better things based on what we have.
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Why people keep going back to GL having created SW, as a good reason for him being a part of it going forward...I don't know. Yes, we know he created it, but what he's done with it is a testament to the fact that better minds need to take the reins and create better things based on what we have.
As I indicated before, Disney can't completely sever GL's SW when they make these upcoming sequels.
Sure, a new direction would be a good thing.
But if the line is too far away from Ep. 1-6, it ceases to be SW and becomes something else.
IF that happens, the press would have a field day....IMO.wink.gif
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How do you arrive at Sidious possibly being responsible?
I'll let those far geekier give an official explanation (or at least an expanded universe via Wiki explanation), but I was referring to the conversation Palpatine & Anakin had in the opera house in EpIII. While the EU novel explanation goes into more detail, I always assumed that since Sidious' former master had apparently been able to cheat death and create life, coupled with Palpatine's throw away line to Anakin in TPM ("We'll be watching your career with great interest), that GL was hinting @ Anakin's immaculate conception being caused by Sidious via his dark side powers.

Via Wikipedia: Darth Plagueis is a powerful Sith Lord mentioned by Palpatine/Darth Sidious in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith in a conversation with Anakin Skywalker. He was the Master of Darth Sidious and, as the latter tells Anakin, had found a way to use the Force to overcome death and create life. The Darth Plagueis novel reveals that at the time of Phantom Menace, well into the Naboo invasion, Darth Plagueis was alive and Darth Sidious was his apprentice even as Sidious was apprenticing Darth Maul. In the novel, Darth Sidious reveals that Anakin Skywalker's immaculate conception was the effect of the Force reacting to a major shift created by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. Plagueis rejected the competitive nature of the rule of two and planned instead to live eternally as co-chancellor of the Republic Senate with Sidious. Plagueis was eventually killed by Darth Sidious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sith
Edited by jwebb1970 - 12/8/12 at 7:19pm
post #269 of 476
Did we really need to learn about midi-chlorians?

Star Wars
Luke Skywalker: The Force?
Obi-Wan: The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

Compare that to...

The Phantom Menace
Anakin Skywalker: Master, sir, I heard Yoda talking about midi-chlorians. I've been wondering...what are midi-chlorians?
Qui-Gon Jinn: Midi-chlorians are a microcopic lifeform that reside within all living cells and communicates with the Force.
Anakin Skywalker: They live inside of me?
Qui-Gon Jinn: In your cells, yes. We are symbionts with them-
Anakin Skywalker: Symbionts?
Qui-Gon Jinn: Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to you, telling you the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you will hear them speaking to you.
Anakin Skywalker: I don't understand.
Qui-Gon Jinn: With time and training, Annie, you will. You will.
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I'll let those far geekier give an official explanation (or at least an expanded universe via Wiki explanation), but I was referring to the conversation Palpatine & Anakin had in the opera house in EpIII. While the EU novel explanation goes into more detail, I always assumed that since Sidious' former master had apparently been able to cheat death and create life, coupled with Palpatine's throw away line to Anakin in TPM ("We'll be watching your career with great interest), that GL was hinting @ Anakin's immaculate conception being caused by Sidious via his dark side powers.
Via Wikipedia: Darth Plagueis is a powerful Sith Lord mentioned by Palpatine/Darth Sidious in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith in a conversation with Anakin Skywalker. He was the Master of Darth Sidious and, as the latter tells Anakin, had found a way to use the Force to overcome death and create life. The Darth Plagueis novel reveals that at the time of Phantom Menace, well into the Naboo invasion, Darth Plagueis was alive and Darth Sidious was his apprentice even as Sidious was apprenticing Darth Maul. In the novel, Darth Sidious reveals that Anakin Skywalker's immaculate conception was the effect of the Force reacting to a major shift created by Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. Plagueis rejected the competitive nature of the rule of two and planned instead to live eternally as co-chancellor of the Republic Senate with Sidious. Plagueis was eventually killed by Darth Sidious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sith

Didn't read the novel. Totally went over my head from the movie. Interesting. If that is in fact the case, the intent or whatever, IMO they really missed a great opportunity to develop the script around that. It would have been a very compelling storyline.
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