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post #31 of 476
I see one bad thing about this deal. Disney loves to overcharge for their Bluray's. Look at all the cartoon classics like LionKing, Cinderella, ect.

But there is also hope that they will release the original OT.
post #32 of 476
If the worst thing to come from this is overpriced BR's, Star Wars fans have a lot to look forward to! biggrin.gif
post #33 of 476
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

I see one bad thing about this deal. Disney loves to overcharge for their Bluray's.

So does Lucasfilm.
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Originally Posted by Frogstar View Post
I assumed this was some kind of joke 

I just felt a disturbance in the internet... as if millions of geeks suddenly cried out in terror, and were very angry.

 

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post #35 of 476
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

So does Lucasfilm.

Seriously. Have you priced some of the Star Wars discs on initial release? And then Lucas alters them every few years and enough people get suckered into buying those as well.
post #36 of 476
I'm sorry to those that question this deal but just considering the respect Disney has for preservation is monumental here. If there is really a VII, restorations to the originals, remakes or whatever, when it comes to a bonafide franchise, Disney really tries to get it right with preservation in mind.

You have to know that this morning at the theme park they did a disney reenactment of the parade celebration at the end of EP I biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I'm sorry to those that question this deal but just considering the respect Disney has for preservation is monumental here.

I agree. I don't question the deal at all by the way, I found it 'surprising' when I first read it... As GL said, Disney and Lucasfilm have been doing the same kind of products for many years now (movies, toys, merchandise, games, etc) The surprising part was simply that I would never have thought Lucasfilm could be sold to another company. It can bring a bit of fresh air and new ideas in the Star Wars universe.
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I agree. I don't question the deal at all by the way, I found it 'surprising' when I first read it... As GL said, Disney and Lucasfilm have been doing the same kind of products for many years now (movies, toys, merchandise, games, etc) The surprising part was simply that I would never have thought Lucasfilm could be sold to another company. It can bring a bit of fresh air and new ideas in the Star Wars universe.

I couldn't agree more. Lucas IMO was/is a highly creative mind. But he also exerted what seems to be a high level of personal control over that creativity and subsequently the product. So Lucasfilm, while known for being a company that can bring ideas to the big screen in a very realistic way over the years, simply doesn't have the culture of creativity that Disney has. So those "fresh ideas" will be free to roam but as I mentioned, they'll always maintain the notion of preservation. Lucasfilm/ILM bringing Disney's creativity to the screen is an exciting proposition IMO.
post #39 of 476
I have a high school acquaintance on my Facebook friend list who has a sister employed by Lucasfilm in SF. Said employee told her sister that at the morning staff meeting yesterday to initially announce the sale, Lucas was asked if this means Leia is now a "Disney Princess". His reply - "Only if she's wearing the bikini". smile.gif
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

I have a high school acquaintance on my Facebook friend list who has a sister employed by Lucasfilm in SF. Said employee told her sister that at the morning staff meeting yesterday to initially announce the sale, Lucas was asked if this means Leia is now a "Disney Princess". His reply - "Only if she's wearing the bikini". smile.gif

tell her to refresh her resume. Sadly peeps always get downsized during aquisitions.
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tell her to refresh her resume. Sadly peeps always get downsized during aquisitions.

I'd be a little shocked. Somehow I don't believe GL operated with excesses and Lucasfilm/ILM are pretty much a self contained operation in that half of Hollywood goes through them for their effects.
post #42 of 476
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I'd be a little shocked. Somehow I don't believe GL operated with excesses and Lucasfilm/ILM are pretty much a self contained operation in that half of Hollywood goes through them for their effects.

wow. i did not know ILM is still leading edge. Thats great. I never wish for anyone to lose their job.
post #43 of 476
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I'm sorry to those that question this deal but just considering the respect Disney has for preservation is monumental here. If there is really a VII, restorations to the originals, remakes or whatever, when it comes to a bonafide franchise, Disney really tries to get it right with preservation in mind.

Disney has as much a history of revisionism as Lucasfilm does. The original, uncensored version of Fantasia will likely never be seen again. Several gags in Roger Rabbit were censored for home video. The company won't even acknowledge the existence of Song of the South anymore. That's to say nothing of the constant digital recoloring and "improvements" to its animated classics.

This is a moot point, anyway. 20th Century Fox has rights to the first Star Wars movie in perpetuity, and has distribution rights to the other five through 2020. Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm is about making new Star Wars properties going forward.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Disney has as much a history of revisionism as Lucasfilm does. The original, uncensored version of Fantasia will likely never be seen again. Several gags in Roger Rabbit were censored for home video. The company won't even acknowledge the existence of Song of the South anymore. That's to say nothing of the constant digital recoloring and "improvements" to its animated classics.
This is a moot point, anyway. 20th Century Fox has rights to the first Star Wars movie in perpetuity, and has distribution rights to the other five through 2020. Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm is about making new Star Wars properties going forward.

Agreed in that they money to be made lies with future releases and merchandising.
post #45 of 476
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

wow. i did not know ILM is still leading edge. Thats great. I never wish for anyone to lose their job.


Look at their filmography. They are THE edge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_%26_Magic#ILM_selected_filmography

Looks like they have a great relationship with Disney already.
post #46 of 476
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and really disney????

i'm not sure we're any better off.

Which part will Johnny Depp play?
post #47 of 476
Disney claims it will make a new sw film every 2 or 3 years? That a sure way to kill the franchise, sooner or later they will be getting hack directors with hack writers who will make the worst sw film look like a masterpiece in comparison. Need proof? Star Trek IV, it really did crater the franchise.
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When they bought Pixar - did they clean house?

Pixar took over Disney and the house cleaning did happen, at Disney production studios a lot of employees lost their jobs. It's no secret the Disney company was trying for years to get John Lasseter to run the company, that was what the acquisition was all about.

Once Lasseter got at the helm he axed a lot of productions including some in progress. A lot of management heads rolled as well. With John Carter being a huge disappointment the vfx Pixar division maybe on the chopping block.
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Disney claims it will make a new sw film every 2 or 3 years? That a sure way to kill the franchise, sooner or later they will be getting hack directors with hack writers who will make the worst sw film look like a masterpiece in comparison. Need proof? Star Trek IV, it really did crater the franchise.

And did it stop Paramount from making good Star Trek movies?
That's really not the same situation. George Lucas wanted 9 movies himself, what will Disney do with Star Wars after 2021 (if my math is correct, ep. 7 in 2015, 8 in 2018 and 9 in 2021)? We don't know that yet, and I'm sure a lot can, and will happen until then. With all the revisions, with 3 unnecessary and fairly bad prequels, this is still one of the most beloved and successful franchises of all time. As far as I'm concerned, I'd think Disney has no interest in "ruining" it. With that said, they didn't buy Star Wars just so they could release new Blu-ray versions of the same films every few years. As for George Lucas himself, he literally lived for Star Wars for about 40 years now, I think it's pretty understandable that he wants something else for his retirement. It can't be denied that he has created something unique with Star Wars and it will always remain "created by George Lucas", but it also can't be denied (well at least not by me!) that he was *never* a really good director. I know I know, that's debatable, but that's what I think. I don't consider myself a "pathological" SW fan wink.gif, but I'm still a fan and I guess I'lll always be. So for now, I like to think that we have a few good and entertaining Star Wars flicks ahead of us. Because whatever logo precedes it, when the yellow text starts to roll and the theme starts to roar, it's still movie magic at its best. smile.gif ....(well except for ep. 1-2-3 maybe tongue.gif)
post #49 of 476
For those that haven't seen it, apparently the next films won't be based on the Zahn novels.

http://entertainment.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/01/14855446-report-star-wars-7-wont-be-based-on-the-books?lite
post #50 of 476
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

And did it stop Paramount from making good Star Trek movies?
That's really not the same situation. George Lucas wanted 9 movies himself, what will Disney do with Star Wars after 2021 (if my math is correct, ep. 7 in 2015, 8 in 2018 and 9 in 2021)? We don't know that yet, and I'm sure a lot can, and will happen until then. With all the revisions, with 3 unnecessary and fairly bad prequels, this is still one of the most beloved and successful franchises of all time. As far as I'm concerned, I'd think Disney has no interest in "ruining" it. With that said, they didn't buy Star Wars just so they could release new Blu-ray versions of the same films every few years. As for George Lucas himself, he literally lived for Star Wars for about 40 years now, I think it's pretty understandable that he wants something else for his retirement. It can't be denied that he has created something unique with Star Wars and it will always remain "created by George Lucas", but it also can't be denied (well at least not by me!) that he was *never* a really good director. I know I know, that's debatable, but that's what I think. I don't consider myself a "pathological" SW fan wink.gif, but I'm still a fan and I guess I'lll always be. So for now, I like to think that we have a few good and entertaining Star Wars flicks ahead of us. Because whatever logo precedes it, when the yellow text starts to roll and the theme starts to roar, it's still movie magic at its best. smile.gif ....(well except for ep. 1-2-3 maybe tongue.gif)

Disney did not get the rights to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on DVD/BD. Those rights still belong to Fox until 2020.
post #51 of 476
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Disney did not get the rights to release the first 6 Star Wars movies on DVD/BD. Those rights still belong to Fox until 2020.

And for the first movie (Episode IV), those rights belong to Fox forever.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

And for the first movie (Episode IV), those rights belong to Fox forever.

What Disney could do if they wanted to is to show the original cut of Star Wars; New Hope on television. All TV rights for SWs 1-6 are now owned by Disney
post #53 of 476
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

What Disney could do if they wanted to is to show the original cut of Star Wars; New Hope on television. All TV rights for SWs 1-6 are now owned by Disney

Hmmmm....do a remaster of the original to broadcast on Disney or FX with a deal with Fox to do a later distribution with a percentage of the profits as long as Disney ponies up for the remaster? Interesting idea. However, I still think if it's going to happen at all it will be after the release of Episode 9 (assuming it gets that far) when Fox's distribution rights end. Fox might still have Ep 4 but I think they would have to cave so to speak and at least cut Disney in on the profits.
post #54 of 476
disney also did not get ownership of the real estate where lucas' companies are located. he will still own skywalker ranch, letterman digital arts center in s.f., and the other ranch he bought in marin county.
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Hmmmm....do a remaster of the original to broadcast on Disney or FX with a deal with Fox to do a later distribution with a percentage of the profits as long as Disney ponies up for the remaster? Interesting idea. However, I still think if it's going to happen at all it will be after the release of Episode 9 (assuming it gets that far) when Fox's distribution rights end. Fox might still have Ep 4 but I think they would have to cave so to speak and at least cut Disney in on the profits.

I wouldn't count on Fox being too agreeable when it comes to Star Wars. I am sure they have some ill feelings that Lucas didn't bring his deal to them instead of Disney.
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His kids must be pissed, no private space program....
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And did it stop Paramount from making good Star Trek movies?

Like every word you wrote after this, the above is just plain wrong. I deal in facts not hyperbole and what ifs.
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Like every word you wrote after this, the above is just plain wrong. I deal in facts not hyperbole and what ifs.

"Every word I wrote after this?" Yeah whatever... As for the "facts', what we deal with here is our opinions and tastes about movies, none of this is about "facts", unless we talk about box office numbers, people involved in a production, the year a movie was made, that kind of stuff, there's no facts.

Now.. The last Star Trek, was it good or bad? The Unidscovered Country, is it good or bad? Again, we're not talking about facts, but just opinions and OPEN MINDED CONVERSATION thank you.


What was wrong exactly about what I said "after this"? oh, yes, "every word"... I forgot you didn't didn't deal with hyperbole sorry (what a fashionable word that one!)

So let's sum it up...I said:
-George Lucas wanted to make 9 movies. That's actually a fact he said it several times in the past. He also said the story is there.

-Disney has Star Wars probably planned until somewhere around 2021 for now (because as THEY just announced they want a movie every 2-3 years starting in 2015, which place ep.9 in 2021 give or take) That's a simple mathematic addition and I could be wrong indeed, yet I didn't claim it was definitive and official.

-I said Disney has no interest in ruining the franchise. Please feel free to prove me wrong here, because I did say those words, and they are "just plain wrong". I'm quoting, just making sure my facts are correct. But yes, I'm taking a wild guess, saying it again: Disney doesn't want to ruin Star Wars.

-Ah...Damn...the hard part.... I talked about Disney releasing the previous films on home video... hmmm.... What can I say.... I was wrong! As much as I hate to admit it, I was w.r.o.n.g!!!!! Lee politely corrected me.

-And then I talked about George Lucas being "immersed" in Star Wars for about 40 years... That's wrong? Well let's see... 2012 - 1977=35. Assuming he planned Star Wars a few years before principal photography started, I settled for 40... Now what did he do besides Star Wars? Indiana Jones? Yes of course. And he produced a few other projects too (among them Tucker by the way, a I like a lot, still waiting for the Blu-ray! ...and Willow, and more) Having said that, just look at the number of Star Wars-related projects throughout his career ; his career has been driven by the name Star Wars since the first film came out. His filmography is out there - so I can safely say, it's a.....(Drum roll)...fact!

-I said (or implied) maybe he's kinda tired of all of it and wants to do something else for his retirement. ( my exact words were "pretty understandable", stick with the facts dammit!!!!) Well I'm not in his mind of course - but am I allowed to have a conversation? I'm sweating now you know.

-I said he was never a really good director. Well that's my opinion. Since we talk about Star Wars, I watch ep.4 now and I see basically the same flaws that we saw in the prequels. The redeeming part is that they were all much younger, the actors seem to have fun on screen, it shows, and it makes us the audience feel good watching it... I'm only talking about him being a director here, not the whole production. So I'll say it again, I *think* he's not a very good director.

-And finally (wheeew, what a busy morning today!), I said I was still a fan of Star Wars despite the constant revisions, the awful prequel trilogy, I know I'll be happy as a kid at christmas sitting in a theater when the text starts to roll. It's a fact that it's my opinion. Do you have something to say against it? Do I have the right to be happy watching a new Star Wars film?



"Like every word you wrote after this, the above is just plain wrong. I deal in facts not hyperbole and what ifs." you know how condescending and pretentious that sounds? It also sounds funny, since "Like every word you wrote after this" is an hyperbole too.


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Edited by Morpheo - 11/2/12 at 9:25am
post #59 of 476
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

"Every word I wrote after this?" Yeah whatever... As for the "facts', what we deal with here is our opinions and tastes about movies, none of this is about "facts", unless we talk about box office numbers, people involved in a production, the year a movie was made, that kind of stuff, there's no facts.
Now.. The last Star Trek, was it good or bad? The Unidscovered Country, is it good or bad? Again, we're not talking about facts, but just opinions and OPEN MINDED CONVERSATION thank you.
What was wrong exactly about what I said "after this"? oh, yes, "every word"... I forgot you didn't didn't deal with hyperbole sorry (what a fashionable word that one!)
So let's sum it up...I said:
-George Lucas wanted to make 9 movies. That's actually a fact he said it several times in the past. He also said the story is there.
-Disney has Star Wars probably planned until somewhere around 2021 for now (because as THEY just announced they want a movie every 2-3 years starting in 2015, which place ep.9 in 2021 give or take) That's a simple mathematic addition and I could be wrong indeed, yet I didn't claim it was definitive and official.
-I said Disney has no interest in ruining the franchise. Please feel free to prove me wrong here, because I did say those words, and they are "just plain wrong". I'm quoting, just making sure my facts are correct. But yes, I'm taking a wild guess, saying it again: Disney doesn't want to ruin Star Wars.
-Ah...Damn...the hard part.... I talked about Disney releasing the previous films on home video... hmmm.... What can I say.... I was wrong! As much as I hate to admit it, I was w.r.o.n.g!!!!! Lee politely corrected me.
-And then I talked about George Lucas being "immsersed" in Star Wars for about 40 years... That's wrong? Well let's see... 2012 - 1977=35. Assuming he planned Star Wars a few years before principal photography started, I settled for 40... Now what did he do besides Star Wars? Indiana Jones? Yes of course. And he produced a few other projects too (among them Tucker by the way, a I like a lot, still waiting for the Blu-ray! ...and Willow, and more) Having said that, just look at the number of Star Wars-related projects throughout his career ; his career has been driven by the name Star Wars since the first film came out. His filmography is out there - so I can safely say, it's a.....(Drum roll)...fact!
-I said (or implied) maybe he's kinda tired of all of it and wants to do something else for his retirement. ( my exact words were "pretty understandable", stick with the facts dammit!!!!) Well I'm not in his mind of course - but am I allowed to have a conversation? I'm sweating now you know.
-I said he was never a really good director. Well that's my opinion. Since we talk about Star Wars, I watch ep.4 now and I see basically the same flaws that we saw in the prequels. The redeeming part is that they were all much younger, the actors seem to have fun on screen, it shows, and it makes us the audience feel good watching it... I'm only talking about him being a director here, not the whole production. So I'll say it again, I *think* he's not a very good director.
-And finally (wheeew, what a busy morning today!), I said I was still a fan of Star Wars despite the constant revisions, the awful prequel trilogy, I know I'll be happy as a kid at christmas sitting in a theater when the text starts to roll. It's a fact that it's my opinion. Do you have something to say against it? Do I have the right to be happy watching a new Star Wars film?
"Like every word you wrote after this, the above is just plain wrong. I deal in facts not hyperbole and what ifs." you know how condescending and pretentious that sounds? It also sounds funny, since "Like every word you wrote after this" is an hyperbole too.
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everything above this is wrong:p
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