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post #211 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

.....I love a great sound stage and get a serious audio boner when the speakers magically disappear, I mean who doesent???.......

You should also check out Soundfield Audio

http://www.soundfieldaudio.net/

Your above description fits them perfectly. I have a pair of the Monitor 1 (discontinued) that put out an amazing soundstage and easily disappear.
post #212 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

I don't quite understand why people are still insisting the OP audition more speakers, He is clearly happy with the SVS and although I thoroughly read and understood this entire post, I still don't know what I want to do LOL!!!

I am trying to unload my B&W CM5's and Centre and this whole time I was thinking about the Sierra towers (with RAAL) until I read more about the Phils, but I only make my 1 year old listen to classical music because I am raising him to be the next Ian Anderson. I personally really only listen to Rock (prog, alt, metal, etc) but I love fusion jazz and salsa or most latin jazz so that really screws me in deciding between a phil or SVS, Ascend, Salk or even Aperion Versus Grand although I do use that room for home theater but more and more I find myself listening to more 2 channel music 75% and 25% HT


I love a great sound stage and get a serious audio boner when the speakers magically disappear, I mean who doesent??? I have a sub as well so getting the deep lows isn't an issue and my set up isnt close to side walls but distancing them up to two feet would be an issue since I do have an open walk way next to the left channel.. I really wonder if the Phil's can't blow me away with heavier music??

My advice is probably worth just what you're paying for it. Nevertheless, I'll opine here for you.

I've auditioned models from all the manufacturers that interest you (plus many more in-house, e.g. Aerial Acoustics, ACI, JBL, Selah, Usher, etc.), though not necessarily all of the specific floorstanding models that interest you. You will not hear a day and night difference amongst them. They're all fine speakers, and they all do what quality speakers are supposed to do. However, there will be audible differences and music-specific influences that you could detect using the A/B method of comparing models.

Let's agree that your own ears and serious (A/B) auditioning on your part is the only way to cleanly answer your dilemma. That said, I believe that the Phils come closest to "disappearing", probably due to the open back/bipolar design of the mid/tweeter section. You can tune them to your specific tastes and setup. And if by "heavier music" you mean the salsa, fusion, jazz, and refined rock...yep, the Phils will do it for you. If you want production of hard rock, loud and party-style speakers, stick with Cerwin Vega or some such.

Finally, note that I could be a fanboy for RAAL tweeters. I've had a love affair with them since they first came out. For my ears, there is no cleaner, more effortless tweeter in existence. But again, that's JMO, FWIW.

And I think the search for the speakers you really want to spend your hard earned cash on is the exciting part of this hobby. Each new speaker heard is filling with anticipation and a challenge in discovery. So enjoy the ride.
post #213 of 241
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

You should also check out Soundfield Audio

http://www.soundfieldaudio.net/

Your above description fits them perfectly. I have a pair of the Monitor 1 (discontinued) that put out an amazing soundstage and easily disappear.

Those Monitor 2s look real interesting. I'd love to hear them. This is AJ's company? Will he be at RMAF?
post #214 of 241
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

Those Monitor 2s look real interesting. I'd love to hear them. This is AJ's company? Will he be at RMAF?

Yes, its AJ.

Not sure if he will be at RMAF. I'm hoping he will be at CAF so I can hear the Monitor 2.
post #215 of 241
@Mudslide- I appreciate the info and FWIW it helps along the way of the undecidedness of this sport? I currently am running the B&W CM5 with the Centre and although, I am not impressed with the center at all, I do enjoy the CM5's although I have been wanting to upgrade to towers. Now I sent pics of the phils to the boss (wife) and her reaction was, and I'll quote "WTF is THAT? You have been online reading about speakers again haven't you? Over my dead body will you be putting THOSE in our living room" So I supposed Phil's are out of the question LOL

Living in Los Angeles should give me the upper hand in availability of hearing other speakers from fellow AVS'rs and hell, I am even considering taking a ride down to ascend to meet dave and crew. In fact, I KNOW I am going to do this after hearing some rave reviews of his Horizon center but, I will still check out soundfield audio's website as well..
post #216 of 241
Please note a slimmer version of the Phils in standard tower form (the Phil Slims) should be hitting the market soon, so if the Phil 2 or 3 don't get your wife's approval, the Slims should have no problem doing so.
post #217 of 241
How soon is soon?
post #218 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

@Mudslide- I appreciate the info and FWIW it helps along the way of the undecidedness of this sport? I currently am running the B&W CM5 with the Centre and although, I am not impressed with the center at all, I do enjoy the CM5's although I have been wanting to upgrade to towers. Now I sent pics of the phils to the boss (wife) and her reaction was, and I'll quote "WTF is THAT? You have been online reading about speakers again haven't you? Over my dead body will you be putting THOSE in our living room" So I supposed Phil's are out of the question LOL.

Here is a pic of the new Philharmonic offering. Definitely NOT a "WTF it THAT" moment. smile.gif

post #219 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

@Mudslide- I appreciate the info and FWIW it helps along the way of the undecidedness of this sport? I currently am running the B&W CM5 with the Centre and although, I am not impressed with the center at all, I do enjoy the CM5's although I have been wanting to upgrade to towers. Now I sent pics of the phils to the boss (wife) and her reaction was, and I'll quote "WTF is THAT? You have been online reading about speakers again haven't you? Over my dead body will you be putting THOSE in our living room" So I supposed Phil's are out of the question LOL

Living in Los Angeles should give me the upper hand in availability of hearing other speakers from fellow AVS'rs and hell, I am even considering taking a ride down to ascend to meet dave and crew. In fact, I KNOW I am going to do this after hearing some rave reviews of his Horizon center but, I will still check out soundfield audio's website as well..

Since you are in LA, consider going to Riverside and check out the Von Schweikert VR-22. I really liked them at RMAF.
post #220 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

I am even considering taking a ride down to ascend to meet dave and crew. In fact, I KNOW I am going to do this after hearing some rave reviews of his Horizon center

Definitely recommended, but if you can't get down to the factory I'm in the Valley and can demo the Horizon and Towers for you.
post #221 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

How soon is soon?

We anxiously await pricing, but hopefully in the coming weeks.
post #222 of 241
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

We anxiously await pricing, but hopefully in the coming weeks.

I'm still hammering out details, but the plan is to offer a version with decent fit and finish equivalent to the Phil 3's for around $2,800/pr, and one with world-class finish for $500 more. I think you can understand that it simply isn't possible to provide a 100% domestically fabricated 3-way speaker with a Scan Revelator woofer, a RAAL tweeter, and a no-holds-barred crossover for less than that. I'll have final word in a couple of days.
post #223 of 241
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

Here is a pic of the new Philharmonic offering. Definitely NOT a "WTF it THAT" moment. smile.gif


Oooh that looks delicious!!! I wonder is Murphy is gonna offer that in a piano black to match my kuro

post #224 of 241
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

Definitely recommended, but if you can't get down to the factory I'm in the Valley and can demo the Horizon and Towers for you.


What valley Holt? San Fernando I hope!! I'm in northridge.
post #225 of 241
"Oooh that looks delicious!!! I wonder is Murphy is gonna offer that in a piano black to match my kuro."




If you mean "I can see myself in the mirror-grade black glossy finish", the answer is noooooooooo--a thousand times nooooooooooooooo. Unless you want to pay something like $1200 for hand polishing.
post #226 of 241
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

If you mean "I can see myself in the mirror-grade black glossy finish", the answer is noooooooooo--a thousand times nooooooooooooooo. Unless you want to pay something like $1200 for hand polishing.

Dually noted Sir Dennis and personally I'd rather put fourth that 1200 towards more gear and ask the wife for the hand polishing !!!!
post #227 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

What valley Holt? San Fernando I hope!! I'm in northridge.

Yes the hot, crappy, porn capital of the world San Fernando Valley. I'm 10-15 minutes away from Northridge-PM me if you're interested.
post #228 of 241
Dennis, just starting my hunt for some full range towers. Any ideas on the low end extension limits of your new speaker? Looks great by the way.
post #229 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

Dually noted Sir Dennis and personally I'd rather put fourth that 1200 towards more gear and ask the wife for the hand polishing !!!!

Are you looking for a 2 channel setup or are these speakers for music and HT? If you are using a projector and screen, you may want to reconsider the piano black look. When I was auditioning the B&W CM9 and CMC2 in piano black, while I liked the high gloss look, they were quite distracting with the reflections off my projector screen.
post #230 of 241
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Originally Posted by kingofthecrate View Post

Dually noted Sir Dennis and personally I'd rather put fourth that 1200 towards more gear and ask the wife for the hand polishing !!!!
That's what I'm talkin bout!
post #231 of 241
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

Dennis, just starting my hunt for some full range towers. Any ideas on the low end extension limits of your new speaker? Looks great by the way.

I think I've posted on that above. But for the record, the towers are pretty much flat down to 35 Hz, but they can't really put out a true-blue 32 Hz pedal tone without a lot of port noise and distortion. I have other speakers that can, but not in WAF-form.
post #232 of 241
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

Are you looking for a 2 channel setup or are these speakers for music and HT? If you are using a projector and screen, you may want to reconsider the piano black look. When I was auditioning the B&W CM9 and CMC2 in piano black, while I liked the high gloss look, they were quite distracting with the reflections off my projector screen.



Yes, I am looking for HT use even though with the birth of my son who I am convinced is possessed by the devil is in bed by 7 so I've been listening to more 2 channel than anything however, I want my HT when I need to convince the wife that by affording these finer things in life that each time we avoid the movies that we save $40. 40xavg theater dates = $2800 towers smile.gif

I am running a pioneer elite so no reflections in my end and she lobes the piano glass but my sunfire subs are just black grain so it would still work.
post #233 of 241
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I think I've posted on that above. But for the record, the towers are pretty much flat down to 35 Hz, but they can't really put out a true-blue 32 Hz pedal tone without a lot of port noise and distortion. I have other speakers that can, but not in WAF-form.

I think the Phil 3's are gorgeous.
post #234 of 241
^^^ Me too biggrin.gif Both in appearance and performance!
post #235 of 241
My wife likes the look of my Phils better than the litany of standard nondescript towers I marched through our house for audition over the past 4 months. But then again I have the Phils in our theater room and not her beloved living room.
post #236 of 241
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Originally Posted by VicTorious1 View Post

My wife likes the look of my Phils better than the litany of standard nondescript towers I marched through our house for audition over the past 4 months. But then again I have the Phils in our theater room and not her beloved living room.

Thanks for the positive reinforcement. I must say, however, that if I had $100 for every Phil 3 and Phil 2 I didn't sell because of a spousal veto, I could afford to retire and sell speakers.
post #237 of 241
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Thanks for the positive reinforcement. I must say, however, that if I had $100 for every Phil 3 and Phil 2 I didn't sell because of a spousal veto, I could afford to retire and sell speakers.

Introducing....the game-changing Phil Slims.
post #238 of 241
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Thanks for the positive reinforcement. I must say, however, that if I had $100 for every Phil 3 and Phil 2 I didn't sell because of a spousal veto, I could afford to retire and sell speakers.

My CEO likes the Phil 2's in our living room better than the Aerial Acoustic 7B's in cheery cherry. So there. wink.gif A woman with good taste!
post #239 of 241
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

My CEO likes the Phil 2's in our living room better than the Aerial Acoustic 7B's in cheery cherry. So there. wink.gif A woman with good taste!

As long as I'm happy my wife is happy. I got lucky. smile.gif

We've decorated ours to accentuate what was described by another viewer as being something like a church steeple:




Your philosophy may vary, of course.
post #240 of 241
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

As long as I'm happy my wife is happy. I got lucky. smile.gif

We've decorated ours to accentuate what was described by another viewer as being something like a church steeple:




Your philosophy may vary, of course.

Happy?! LOL, obviously your wife hasn't achieved menopause yet. wink.gif

Hey, apparently my missus enjoys a completely different type of creature on board our Phils. I wonder if Dennis specifically designed these dudes as figurine stands. Hmmm.....

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