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post #91 of 170
11/29/12 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by petew View Post

Maybe a "crossover assembly kit" would be a good thing to add to the site.
A set of tools for xover assembly might be a good addition too.
I always thought it would be handy if sites like Parts Express (or maybe monoprice for certain DIY projects) had a pre-set shopping cart. A person should be able to save a cart and make it searchable or linkable - as in "here is my parts list - go buy it yourself!" One-stop shopping for the DIYer and easy sales driver for PE. You could, in theory, have a basic set, and an upgraded set of parts for each build.
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post #92 of 170
11/29/12 at 3:23pm
TBH a picture/diagram like this makes putting a XO together pretty easy, even for those that have never seen a circuit diagram before.

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post #93 of 170
11/30/12 at 2:35am
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I hadn't thought about the xover being the fun part, since I've been cobbling stuff together and letting the smoke out of things since I was a youngster. But I could see how someone who hadn't done a lot of electronics tinkering would get a kick out of building their own.
Maybe a "crossover assembly kit" would be a good thing to add to the site. It could include zip ties, hookup wire, terminal blocks, etc. All the stuff that a tinkerer would have on hand but a noob would have to go out and buy. Maybe even include pieces of pegboard or thin plywood to assemble the components onto.
A set of tools for xover assembly might be a good addition too.

Well I've been doing it since youth too, but I'm an EE and sometimes getting my hands dirty instead of just doing the math can energize me. A kit is convenient because then I don't have to worry about whether or not I have the parts on hand. Doing two crossovers = fun. Doing 10... not so much.
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post #94 of 170
11/30/12 at 2:37am
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

I always thought it would be handy if sites like Parts Express (or maybe monoprice for certain DIY projects) had a pre-set shopping cart. A person should be able to save a cart and make it searchable or linkable - as in "here is my parts list - go buy it yourself!" One-stop shopping for the DIYer and easy sales driver for PE. You could, in theory, have a basic set, and an upgraded set of parts for each build.

I'm surprised they haven't thought of it... it's a great idea! Let the customer create their own kit and sell them for you!
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post #95 of 170
11/30/12 at 3:38am
? Well there's the diy section.

Example:
http://www.parts-express.com/projectshowcase/smithereens/list.html
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post #96 of 170
11/30/12 at 6:30am
There will be an option to assemble to crossover yourself.
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post #97 of 170
11/30/12 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

TBH a picture/diagram like this makes putting a XO together pretty easy, even for those that have never seen a circuit diagram before.


Something like this would be a GREAT help to the unitiated.
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post #98 of 170
11/30/12 at 10:17am
I don't see how that's any different than a cross over schematic... but maybe that's just me.
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post #99 of 170
11/30/12 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I don't see how that's any different than a cross over schematic... but maybe that's just me.
Me too, but it much less intimidating for someone who has no experience with electronics.
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post #100 of 170
11/30/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I don't see how that's any different than a cross over schematic... but maybe that's just me.
It's not just you, but translating a schematic to a layout diagram like that takes a kind of... topological analysis skill? It's pretty intuitive for some folks, but not at ALL for others. Especially folks with no experience in such things.
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post #101 of 170
11/30/12 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

I don't see how that's any different than a cross over schematic... but maybe that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Face2 View Post

Me too, but it much less intimidating for someone who has no experience with electronics.



You have no idea how valuable pictures are when I built my first set of crossovers (Sensation).
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post #102 of 170
11/30/12 at 12:24pm
People who are illiterate can put things together simply following pictures. I could give that to anyone and they could correctly layout the x-over for the OS MTMs . You cannot say the same for a circuit diagram
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post #103 of 170
11/30/12 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Sibuna View Post

People who are illiterate can put things together simply following pictures. I could give that to anyone and they could correctly layout the x-over for the OS MTMs . You cannot say the same for a circuit diagram[/quote


Yup, I am one of those illiterate ones.

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post #104 of 170
12/1/12 at 12:18pm
Huh, ok. Just seems like a schematic with some added shapes. Maybe I'll try and draw some like that for this speaker design. Worthwhile?
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post #105 of 170
12/1/12 at 12:37pm
IMO yes as it will help potentially many people. the second benefit of something like that is it shows a potential layout on the board to size. For many translating a circuit diagram into real space can be a challenge
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post #106 of 170
12/1/12 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

Huh, ok. Just seems like a schematic with some added shapes. Maybe I'll try and draw some like that for this speaker design. Worthwhile?

Give me a sec. I'm putting together per the prior layout shots I sent you and final board shots...
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post #107 of 170
12/1/12 at 12:58pm
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Crossover Layout

Crossover Layout.pdf 4230k .pdf file

Gang attached is the draft crossover layout. In the spirit of this being a beta kit build, please give us input on this. This will be potential instructions included in the kit.

Please keep in mind that Tux agreed to share his "secret sauce" for this beta build thread in the spirit to make the kits better. If you decide to make this kit using this "beta info", please remember Tux when the donation buttons go live on DIY Sound Group site. Or just wait for the kit.

As update, there is no update. wink.gif

I've been a traveling fool and also fighting a sinus infection, so no progress.

I will try to wrap up paint this weekend, but will be traveling again so won't get to the final steps until next weekend.

Last, in addition to this crossover layout, I still need to make the crossover assembly video and either make a separate crossover assembly instruction packet or incorporate them in to the above packet.
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post #108 of 170
12/6/12 at 10:54am
Java,
Hope this finds you feeling better, and about to take a travel break?
Quick comment; I really like how you started with a photographed layout for the schematics shown in the above link - Nice Job!
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post #109 of 170
12/8/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

Java,
Hope this finds you feeling better, and about to take a travel break?
Quick comment; I really like how you started with a photographed layout for the schematics shown in the above link - Nice Job!

Thanks, Cuzed

Feeling much better and home for a brief period. I'll try to wrap up the build today.

Thanks for input on the instructions. This is all coming in pieces, but my goal is to create a full instruction set to go with Tux's kit. More to come...
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post #110 of 170
12/8/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Java View Post

Crossover Layout
Crossover Layout.pdf 4230k .pdf file
Gang attached is the draft crossover layout. In the spirit of this being a beta kit build, please give us input on this. This will be potential instructions included in the kit.
Please keep in mind that Tux agreed to share his "secret sauce" for this beta build thread in the spirit to make the kits better. If you decide to make this kit using this "beta info", please remember Tux when the donation buttons go live on DIY Sound Group site. Or just wait for the kit.
As update, there is no update. wink.gif
I've been a traveling fool and also fighting a sinus infection, so no progress.
I will try to wrap up paint this weekend, but will be traveling again so won't get to the final steps until next weekend.
Last, in addition to this crossover layout, I still need to make the crossover assembly video and either make a separate crossover assembly instruction packet or incorporate them in to the above packet.

i finally got around to looking at the PDF you linked, and I think its a great addition for anyone looking to put a xover together
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post #111 of 170
12/17/12 at 12:03pm
any update on these? im curious how that mount works for you
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post #112 of 170
12/18/12 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

any update on these? im curious how that mount works for you

Sorry. Been traveling a ton, so haven't been able to finish build. Should wrap up this weekend.
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post #113 of 170
12/23/12 at 9:24am
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Update: They will be done today. Wife commands...

So, I've been commanded from the "one who must be obeyed" to finish my speakers today. Not because she wants to enjoy the total enveloping SEOS sound in the theater, but to "clean your crap up because we are having people over for Christmas." Oh well. Motivation is motivation.

Here's my "crap". Assembly/video area.


I'll post some other build photos later but a quick question:

Do you mount the hurricane nuts on the back side? If so, I'm thinking I'll use a bolt and washer on the front side to pull the H nut's flute into the mdf. I'll also epoxy the flutes and contact side. Sound right?

Thanks,

Java
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post #114 of 170
12/23/12 at 9:32am
Wow Java you have quite a setup there.


The way you plan on installing the hurricane nuts is pretty much how I'd do it.
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post #115 of 170
12/23/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Java View Post

quick question:
Do you mount the hurricane nuts on the back side? If so, I'm thinking I'll use a bolt and washer on the front side to pull the H nut's flute into the mdf. I'll also epoxy the flutes and contact side. Sound right?
Thanks,
Java

yes backside. a washer on the front is a good way to pull them in from my experience with them and the epoxy is a must. on the flutes and contact side like you plan.
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post #116 of 170
12/23/12 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by mtg90 View Post

Wow Java you have quite a setup there.
The way you plan on installing the hurricane nuts is pretty much how I'd do it.

Thanks on the set up. The lights are from my photographing my wife's jewelry. The video gear is from a hobby/side business.

Thanks on the H nut confirmation.
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post #117 of 170
12/23/12 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

yes backside. a washer on the front is a good way to pull them in from my experience with them and the epoxy is a must. on the flutes and contact side like you plan.

Cool. Thanks, Brian

Back to work...
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post #118 of 170
12/23/12 at 11:17am
Cool setup! I can't wait to see some more progress!
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post #119 of 170
12/23/12 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Java View Post

Crossover Layout
Crossover Layout.pdf 4230k .pdf file
Gang attached is the draft crossover layout. In the spirit of this being a beta kit build, please give us input on this. This will be potential instructions included in the kit.
Please keep in mind that Tux agreed to share his "secret sauce" for this beta build thread in the spirit to make the kits better. If you decide to make this kit using this "beta info", please remember Tux when the donation buttons go live on DIY Sound Group site. Or just wait for the kit.
As update, there is no update. wink.gif
I've been a traveling fool and also fighting a sinus infection, so no progress.
I will try to wrap up paint this weekend, but will be traveling again so won't get to the final steps until next weekend.
Last, in addition to this crossover layout, I still need to make the crossover assembly video and either make a separate crossover assembly instruction packet or incorporate them in to the above packet.

only thing missing is instructions of how the LF and HF boards are connected. rest is really great
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post #120 of 170
12/23/12 at 1:27pm
If anyone in silicon valley would like to learn how to put their crossovers together, or just have me put them together, send me a PM. You supply the parts and I have the tools.

--Max
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