LG 47LM4600 - Page 5

Is it 3d ready or full 3d. what may be missing option.

full 3d. 120hz trumotion is missing, but ive read that it's at it's lowest setting. Doesn't bother me, and most likely has something to do with the software, and not the hardware, so I'm counting on a patch in the future to get it fixed

i hope a patch comes out! just cause i knew it didnt have it i asked a guy at bestbuy about the lg they were selling if it had true motion and he said yes, but i didnt think so

I bought this TV nine days ago and here are my impressions:

Its a great looking TV. Colors are rich and 3D works well. Black levels are good when you lower the backlight output from way too bright (95) to just normal (50). Shadow detail is pretty good.
I have noticed some very faint banding. For what I understand just about all LCD TVs suffer from this to some extent. Pans against green backgrounds are the most noticeable, such as golf shows.
I have also noticed some faint flashlighting at the corners, but that is also to be expected from edge-lighting. Lowering the backlight setting below 50 helps a lot. Its only shows up in a dark room.

I upgraded to the new firmware, but could not see any difference in features or capabilities.
The gaming response time is pretty good, considering my kill/death ratio in Halo 4 has improved quite a bit.

If I had paid MSRP for this set (~800), I might be unhappy with the quality of picture, but for $550 at Fry's I am very happy with it.

I haven't officially seen MSRP but it seems like most places have a starting price of $799. Can anyone else confirm this? TIA

after seeing this I went to amazon, and some have it listed for closer to 1200

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/LED-TV-Buyers-Guide-for-2012.shtml

this link shows the 47LS4600 (the 2d version of this set) was MSRP $1099

Best Buy shows a list price of $699 for the 47LM4600.

tat is probably the current price from BB. Frys shows a markdown from $799 to $549 (at least for this week)

No, $699 is not their current price. Their current price is lower than that. $699 is shown as being their "regular" price.

you're right, Im just saying the MSRP is prob more than $800.

I got pretty lucky with this one. I was looking on Best Buy Mobile's site on New Year's Eve in their clearance section. They had this TV listed at $499. I figured it had to be wrong, but I went to the location they listed it at and sure enough...it was an error. The model number and description were for this one, the SKU, however, was for the same TV, non 3D version. I bargained a bit with them, was polite, and they wound up honoring the 499 price and shipping it to me for free.

Set up the TV last week and so far I LOVE it. I have it hooked up to an LG LHB336 3D Blu Ray home theater system. This was perfect because of the optical and ARC. I just used two HDMI inputs for my 3d Blu Ray player and cable box, then connected Wii and Xbox on component cables (the xbox is an older model, no HDMI for it) and used the Optical out on the TV to the Opitcal IN on the home theater and voila, sound for all devices, one setting. I set the receiver to optical and then using the simplink on the remote, it allows me to control the home theater volume instead of the tv.

I'd say the only hiccup I've had so far is with watching movies stored on a flash drive. It's not a big deal, because I can play them through the blu ray player just fine, but when I tried to play them through the TV, the sound was WAY off sync. Not sure why, or if it was an issue with the receiver (I suppose I could turn the tv speakers up and see if the issue lies there, but since it plays fine through the blu ray, and the usb port is easy to reach on the blu ray, I don't really feel the need to investigate).

So far, I haven't fiddled with any settings other than last night I realized the picture was dark, and I turned off the energy saving feature. WOW...watching in a darkened room, the auto dim had turned it almost off. I ordered the WOW disc and will be using that when it arrives. Till then, I'm having no issues, and considering I upgraded from a 8 year old DLP LED set, I'm just marveling at this television.

Love the 2D-3D conversion (fun to play with, probably not going to watch all the time...tried it with football...it has issues with the lines on the field when the camera is stationary...makes it look like they are floating...though this is kind of fun...best looking sport on the conversion so far? GOLF!).

And I have to commend LG on the home theater set up. I live in a small apartment. I like the benefits of surround, but I hate when I crank the sound up to hear voices clearly, and then the action kicks in and rattles the walls. I use the CLEARVOICE setting on the theater and it's perfect. I can turn the voices to crystal clear clarity and not worry about busting down the walls when the action kicks in. I know I know...not the purpose of a "theater"...but, all in all, I got it at a discount, and mainly for the player. The speakers and surround are just bonuses.

^ I have the exact same problem with my 5.1. Ill be listening and BAM the walls will start shaking (I share the TV wall with another unit). Thankfully it is vacant at the moment.

I recommend the lg home theater. This gives me the PERFECT sound.

Yes means "I have no frigin idea" 90% of the time at BB.

Got one at Fry's today for $549. Been looking for a TV for the bedroom but had no plans for 3D but at such a great price ...why not.

What is the network connection for? I didn't see any apps or anything that utilizes the network in the menus. Is it just for firmware updates?

Does the updated patch (3.40.08) affect the picture in any way? I spent a great deal of time calibrating it, without the update.

Spider-man showed that I did it all wrong, and calibrated it once again, but this time i used my monitor (nec 20wmgx2) to match things

Backlight: 61
contrast- 98
brightness- 49
sharpness- 77
color- 62
tint- 0
color temp- w50

advance mode i have everything off/low.

These settings are for blu-rays, and they look AMAZING, matches what I see on my monitor, and my monitor is no slouch when it comes to color accuracy, saturation, and contrast. For netflix/cable, things are a tad different. Netflix i have r7, and w45 set for the tint, backlight around 80, and sharpness 95. cheers
Edited by kojmuffin - 1/12/13 at 7:31am

As far as I can tell this tv has no ARC.

Not a good researcher, are you? This TV does in fact have ARC. Stop spreading misinformation.

Well, I can only go by my tv and it is not returning any audio to the receiver through the hdmi. I have to use the optical cable. Not a big deal since I run all my audio and Video to the receiver then to the tv but if I plug a USB key into tv then only audio from tv speakers. Prove me wrong. Lol

maybe your cables or receiver dont support ARC but the TV does

I'm wrong. This set has no ARC. My HT processor was auto-sensing the digital audio port even though it said HDMI. My bad.

I second that assessment. Does not work with ARC with HTSL-50 soundbar system.
Also, this LG TV does not have analog outputs as a workaround, only a single optical out.

I just ordered this set today from BestBuy. They matched the $599.99 price that TigerDirect had. I thought that was a pretty good deal until I read in this thread the price people got around Thanksgiving. Anyway I wanted to replace my secondary TV with a 3D capable one so I can use my Popcorn A400 with it. How does the passive 3D compare with DLP 3D? I have a Mitsubishi DLP set for my main HDTV and I really like the 3D on it. So I had been looking for a relatively inexpensive 3D set to replace my secondary TV.. My current LCD set is a five year old 40" Samsung and I was looking at a 42" LG for $500, but when I saw they had the 47" for $100 more, plus 2 years no interest, plus price matching at BestBuy, I figured I would pick one up. They didn't have any at the local stores though so I'm having it delivered to the store so I can pick it up this weekend.

To all those wondering why there aren't any Tru-Motion 120Hz settings... It's a lie, well rather than come up with a new term for trying a new method of tricking the eye, they incorrectly used a process LG users are very familiar with; or as I see it an outright lie! While the article is about a higher up model it's applicable down here as well.
http://hdguru.com/lg-55lm6700-hdtv-review-when-120-hz-isnt-120-hz-updated/8281/ -
This truly makes my gut sick. Anti-judder and Tru-motion set high make me feel almost sick when I'm watching a movie, but that goes away if I shut it down. This sick feeling on the other hand, that we have one more G.D. thing to be bamboozled about by these TV companies feels like a perpetual punch to the gut.
A desire to sell a product doesn't mean a 60Hz panel should be misrepresented as 120Hz when it in no way is capable of that. Why it was not appearing on other countries website or boxes as 120Hz I can only imagine they must have some teeth or truth in advertising laws.
http://hdguru.com/beware-of-phony-lcd-hdtv-refresh-rates/7726/

In the 6700 model LG (seemingly as a response to the write up @ Hdguru) added Tru-Motion settings but it's still just smoothing the judder on a 60Hz panel (presumably it can't be changed).

60Hz is fine for 80-90% of the things I watch. But if you put a feature on the box, and then try to ******** your way out of why what the customer sees is basically tricking the eye into the same effect ---> except that they aren't even doing that (because the TV isn't capable of a true black frame insertion) so that you can charge more money that's wrong!
Makes the $549.99 price seem more like what the True MSRP should be
Edited by DA1745 - 1/24/13 at 3:31pm

I brought the set home this evening and 3D was not working too well. I see that there is a firmware update to improve the 3D performance. I just installed it, but I'll need to check it tomorrow night since I need to go to bed shortly. Did anyone notice if the 03.40.08 firmware actually improved the 3D performance?

AS far as the Tru-motion. It must be set very low because it did not bother me. I know on other TVs with similar settings it does bother me and is very annoying. But in the time I was messing around with the TV tonight I did not have any issues with Tru-motion.

I only got this set as a secondary set, for 3D and 2D. And it's replacing a 5 year old Samsung 60 Hz LCD set. So I am not too concerned about any 120Hz or 60Hz issue. As long as the firmware update fixed the issues I saw with the 3D I will be happy. If it doesn't then I'll probably need to consider returning it to BestBuy. I would have preferred to get a set with active 3D instead of passive, since the lower resolution is very noticeable with passive 3D, but for the price I guess I can't complain too much.
Edited by aaronwt - 1/24/13 at 9:16pm

Well, I think if you advertise a TV as 120Hz capable and then you can't provide beyond 60Hz period, there is a problem. They have essentially done a I am the wizard of oz "see the motion smoothing we have done --> that's 120Hz you do not need to look behind the curtain" , except sites like HdGuru (Toto in this example) did sneak behind the curtain & pulled back the veil of BS LG was pushing.
The attempts to do motion smoothing not through 120Hz which is can't do, or through "Tru-Motion" processing as done before, it instead tries to do it in software and fails to do it properly. I'm a bit ticked by this so the negative is focused towards Lg with this particular year of TVs and at the other makers pulling the same tricks and not you (just wanted to make that clear)

To the second part about the 3D though I disagree with greatly; The lower resolution argument. It's true on paper 1920 x 540 per eye. But TVs were built on the principle that we could fool our brain & by flicking still images so fast that the eye tells the brain it's not still pictures it's really moving & in motion. It's why if we follow a camera on a long climb and then a rapid decent on a roller coaster that even though we haven't moved more than a few inches the entire time sitting on our couch while the video was running our brains process and perceive the fall and we get that lightness in the stomach feeling as if we were actually on a real roller coaster. When CRT TV's for the vast majority of the time were interlaced they showed at best 640 x 240 per eye lines, but people didn't say it's 240 lines of resolution because the screen refreshed faster than any "normal" person could detect those separate 240 left & 240 right lines, the brain zipped them together seamlessly for more people.. With that rapid ~60Hz refresh rate the brain saw it as a whole screen filled at once @ (640 x 480i).

Very similar principle is at work with the Passive LCD TVs. 1920 x 540 lines are painted to one eye then 1920 x 540 to the other. But the brain of the majority of people splices that together into a sharp & clean & clear 1920 x 1080 picture. Neither technology is perfect, however cross talk and shutter problems (darker, not working correctly or fast enough, greater eye strain) to me are far bigger issues. Plasmas have an advantage with Active Shutter 3D over LCDs by being slightly brighter & having superior refresh rates eliminating much of the ghosting/crosstalk issues, but they require 2x or more the power to operate.

I was just in Sears today going back and forth between the Active Shutter & LG Passive shutter displays. The LG had IMHO the far better image (brighter, more comfortable (lighter) glasses which in an 1:30+ minute movie matters, it seemed far more impressive to other people as well).

I am comparing the 3D on the LG to how 3D looks on my Mitsubishi dlp. Yes active 3D glasses makes the picture look darker, but you have to compensate with the pciture settings. Mitsubishi recommends using one setting for 2D and one for 3D. And I will also do the same with the LG set since it has two settings as well to use.

With the way DLP works everything overlaps so the picture is smooth. But with the passive 3d I need to get back from the tv a good distance, like almost eight feet, for it to look right to my eyes. At least with the older firmware and in the temporary location I currently have it. With my 82 inch Mitsubishi I sit nine feet away. With my LG the seating distance will be six feet which looks great with 2d but i'm not sure about the 3d yet. I still need to place the tv in the room I'll be using it in, plus I need to try it out with the new firmware.
Edited by aaronwt - 1/25/13 at 4:57am

I have the 55LM5850 which came with the 03.40.08 firmware pre-installed. Although our TVs have a different model number they share the same firmware and therefore must be very similar. I find the 3D picture to be very good. To be honest this is my first 3DTV so I don’t have any other reference point, but for me it totally does the job.
Keep in mind that the passive system is sensitive to the vertical viewing angle. Try to position the screen such that the horizontal center line of the TV is at eye level. If the TV is to be mounted higher, above a fireplace for example, angle the screen down to achieve the same effect. Crosstalk will be fairly obvious if the viewing angle is not correct.
LG’s recommended seating distance to properly view their Passive 3D is 2 meters or about 6 feet. I sit between 8 and 10 feet away and the picture is very good. I think the reason they specify a minimum distance is that if one sits any closer the scan lines become apparent. This is one disadvantage passive has. Active has no scan lines and you can sit right up to the TV. I still prefer passive over active, however, due to the many other advantages.
You might be interested in reading some of this thread regarding the passive vs. active resolution debate. One member sort of hijacks the debate and it gets repetitive towards the end, but initially there is some very interesting information presented by some very knowledgeable members.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437658/keep-3d-active-or-make-switch-to-passive-3d-tv

You might also find this thread of interest. It discusses the 120Hz, Trumotion implementation, or lack thereof, on the lower end LG 2012 LM series TVs.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408659/lg-trumotion-missing-specific-to-42lm-47lm-55lm-series-excludes-lm7600-and-newer

Regards,

Kevin

I see mention of the crosstalk/ghosting. That was the main issue I had when I was looking at the LG. I had never seen that before with my Mitsubishi DLP set. So it was very irritating when I saw it on the LG.

So let me clear the air over LG's Trumotion 120hz and why it doesn't look like other brands such as my friend's Samsung HDTV that has120hz. I had a chat session with an LG support rep and they informed me that the LG panels for 2012 all use a specific Backlight method. I forget what they called it, but pretty much what the TV does is throw a dark frame in between the picture which causes it to not have such a "soap opera" effect. So last year's LG 3D models all use a method where they throw in a regular picture frame that's lit instead of dark in between the picture. I asked the rep what passive 3D TV's didn't have this method and she informed me the panels from 2012 all use this "Dark Frame" method, but that panels from 2011 don't use the "Dark Frame" method. Unfortunately all panels from 2011 are active 3D TV's which is not what I want.

I then asked if she had any news on 2013 panels and if they also indeed have this "Dark Frame" feature and she was unable to give me the information because they were only in the pre-sale status. Now I apologize that I don't remember the specific name for this "Dark Frame" method but the rep was very quick to answer my question and if they weren't closed right now I would just pop in a chat session to ask again.

I hope this helps everyone and besides the 120hz feature I absolutely love my LG TV. I got it at a fantastic price of $601 at Fry's which is a steal especially since I received free shipping.

I saw no difference tonight with the new firmware. Menu options also look the same. I thought I read that the newer firmware added something different in the menu?