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Want to by a 65 or 70" LED Flat Panel would like advice ... Thanks

post #1 of 30
11/4/12 at 12:08pm
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I hope I am posting in the right section... In 2007 I bought a Pioneer 6010P Plasma TV... It's been 6 years, I was still happy with it, until I saw my sons SONY LED TV. It seemed brighter & sharper. It was also so much thinner...

I am thinking of moving the 6010P to my family room out of my bedroom, and buying a new LED either a 65" or 70"
Sharp 70" or Samsung 65" .... What about a SONY do they make one in those sizes?

Would love to hear your thoughts and opinions, and a place to buy online, I bought the Pioneer from Invision Displays except they don't seem to be around anymore? ...

Thanks and for people who have the Pioneer 6010P how would you compare it to the LED's? Should I not downgrade it as yet? ...
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post #2 of 30
11/4/12 at 3:43pm
Panasonic is churning out the TV with the best PQ now that Pioneer has exited, and that's the VT50 (but you'll have to settle for a 65"). If your viewing environment is dark enough to enjoy the fruits of the Pioneer, it will be more than adequate for the Panasonic (which is definitely brighter, not necessarily sharper, but LEDs tend to add artificial sharpness and thus introduce artifacts; of course this can be dialed down).
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post #3 of 30
11/4/12 at 8:49pm
I'd agree with the VT50, though it doesn't necessarily have to be a dark environment with the Infinite Black Panel pro on the VT. It handles ambient light extremely well. I also watched an entire podcast on HT geeks on hometheater.com which talks about how the VT50 is THE best flat panel today and was tested by some of the best ISF and THX calibrators in the nation. Better than the Sharp Elite, or the Sony XBR (at the time it was the HX929, but I'm going to assume the HX950 would be right on par with that)
However, if PDP's are out the question and you insist on LED/LCD's then I'd recommend the HX950 or the Sharp Elite, HX950's available in 65" and the Elite in 60 and 70". One thing I will highly recommend is stay AWAY from edge lit LED/LCD's. if the two mentioned models above don't fit the bill, or the budget, then stay away from LG and Samsung edge lits, especially in that size. Good luck with the choice! Always fun!
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post #4 of 30
11/4/12 at 9:26pm
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@Vinnie97 Thank you for answering my post... I started another post incase people needed me to be more
specific .... Today I looked at 3 TV's ... Sharp 70" and a Samsung 65" and a Panasonic 65" at Best Busy, I
came out more confused about these than I went in.... Thought they all looked great. The 70" Sharp was
so much screen for the money, except the sales person at BB said it wasn't as good as the other two.

I'm hoping you will see my other post and give me an opinion there.... As then at least I feel I have named
some TV's ....
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post #5 of 30
11/4/12 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

I'd agree with the VT50, though it doesn't necessarily have to be a dark environment with the Infinite Black Panel pro on the VT. It handles ambient light extremely well. I also watched an entire podcast on HT geeks on hometheater.com which talks about how the VT50 is THE best flat panel today and was tested by some of the best ISF and THX calibrators in the nation. Better than the Sharp Elite, or the Sony XBR (at the time it was the HX929, but I'm going to assume the HX950 would be right on par with that)
However, if PDP's are out the question and you insist on LED/LCD's then I'd recommend the HX950 or the Sharp Elite, HX950's available in 65" and the Elite in 60 and 70". One thing I will highly recommend is stay AWAY from edge lit LED/LCD's. if the two mentioned models above don't fit the bill, or the budget, then stay away from LG and Samsung edge lits, especially in that size. Good luck with the choice! Always fun!


Thankyou @hoozthatat. Why do I keep hearing that Plasma is old technology and will no longer be made in a few years?
I feel I should go with newer technology, except the panasonic VT50 looked so much more realistic than the Samsung 65".

I also saw a Sharp Elite 70" which would have been my first choice except it was priced like the Pioneer 6010P I bought 6
years ago, and even though its a great TV, I don't think paying that kind of money is justified when you can get a 70" for
$3000 Like the Sharp. I am giving up on the Samsung, because of the bells and whistles of internet usage, I don't think
I want to use my hands as a remote control either.... (Too Old for that) ..... I am torn about the 70" Sharp just because of it's
size..... Are there any reviews about the Sharp that will put me off it and make the VT50 my choice?

Again thanks for answering, I really appreciate it.... BTW, I posted in two threads as a mistake, is there anyway to merge them?
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post #6 of 30
11/4/12 at 10:14pm
@seabreeze82

Why? Because manufacturers have been successful in pushing higher margin and higher revenue units amongst the mass consumers because they can dote that these TV's have "better contrast" and "vivid colors" when in actuality what they do is over saturate the colors, extended the color gamut beyond what it should be, handle motion resolution mediocre at best, and reproduce poor-to barely passable black levels. Honestly, the VT50 is the no brainer here. The Sharp you're referring to is also an edge lit LED/LCD meaning the uniformity will be a problem, shadow detail and black levels will be poor at best, etc. the list goes on and on. Here's a professional review from one of the most notable level 2 certified ISF calibrators on the east coast

http://www.hometheater.com/content/podcast-113-kevin-miller
Edited by hoozthatat - 11/5/12 at 1:35pm
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post #7 of 30
11/5/12 at 11:38am
How are the viewing angles and light sensitivity on the VT50? I'm looking for a 65" to replace my aging 65" Mits DLP when we move next month. The new TV room will have some direct and ambient light and wide viewing angles. I was initially only considering LCD, but this Plasma sounds really nice!
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post #8 of 30
11/5/12 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

How are the viewing angles and light sensitivity on the VT50? I'm looking for a 65" to replace my aging 65" Mits DLP when we move next month. The new TV room will have some direct and ambient light and wide viewing angles. I was initially only considering LCD, but this Plasma sounds really nice!

Being that it's a PDP it's going to have great off angle viewing. This particular model has superb wide axis viewing with little to no degradation in contrast and etc. The VT50 also handle ambient/natural light as well as the best of them from what I've seen. The Infinite Black Panel Ultra really boosts the shadow detail and black levels, and the louvre filter rejects the ambient light incredibly well. Plus it comes with THX mode which is an excellenct starting point out of the box.
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post #9 of 30
11/5/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

Being that it's a PDP it's going to have great off angle viewing. This particular model has superb wide axis viewing with little to no degradation in contrast and etc. The VT50 also handle ambient/natural light as well as the best of them from what I've seen. The Infinite Black Panel Ultra really boosts the shadow detail and black levels, and the louvre filter rejects the ambient light incredibly well. Plus it comes with THX mode which is an excellenct starting point out of the box.

Wow. Thanks. Sounds like exactly what I need. I was set on an LCD, but maybe PDP is the way to go!
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post #10 of 30
11/5/12 at 3:55pm
Also go here to see which TV has the best picture:

http://reviews.cnet.com/2733-6475_7-569.html
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post #11 of 30
11/5/12 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by drcruz View Post

Also go here to see which TV has the best picture:
http://reviews.cnet.com/2733-6475_7-569.html

This just echoes how incredible the VT50. Good link smile.gif
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post #12 of 30
11/5/12 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by Jagged68 View Post

Wow. Thanks. Sounds like exactly what I need. I was set on an LCD, but maybe PDP is the way to go!

I think PDP's are hands down the best option, aside from a projector setup. Of course thats IMO. PDP's just have the edge in nearly every major category relating to performance in PQ. (aside from sheer light output, but PDP's get plenty bright)
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post #13 of 30
11/14/12 at 11:01am
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@hoozthatat ..... Thank you for your great advice .... I read a lot of posts and after reading the reviews, I decided to go with the VT50 in the 65" size.
Best Buy matched a great online price, they are delivering tomorrow, so will let you know how the delivery part of this buy goes... I just couldn't
get used to the fake look of the Led's and LCd's .... They seemed brighter, and sharper, which I initially liked, and wanted... Then I started to read
the reviews and also reminded myself that I had a Pioneer 6010 for the last year, with not a single complaint.....

So today, I moved the Pioneer down to the Family room, and am ready to hang up the Panasonic 65" VT50 on the bedroom wall, I would have
been even happier if they made a 70" because I think that would have been a perfect size..... That's why I was considering the Sharp... Lets
see the silver bezel looked annoying! I am actually thinking of spray painting it black Matte if it bothers me a lot.

Any suggestions on soundbars? I need one that will be inconspicuous and look like it's part of the TV. Wasn't going to get a Bluray player, am
rethinking that one as well.... 3D glasses any suggestions for this TV?

I did get a audioquest cinnamon cable for $95 .... after it was demo-ed ...... I know I know many are going to say a monoprice one would have been
fine, if I hadn't seen the demo I would have agreed...

Thank you all for your help... Any advice on breaking in this TV? Was going to just play HDTV full screen and not use any slides....

Thanks
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post #14 of 30
11/14/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

@hoozthatat ..... Thank you for your great advice .... I read a lot of posts and after reading the reviews, I decided to go with the VT50 in the 65" size.
Best Buy matched a great online price, they are delivering tomorrow, so will let you know how the delivery part of this buy goes... I just couldn't
get used to the fake look of the Led's and LCd's .... They seemed brighter, and sharper, which I initially liked, and wanted... Then I started to read
the reviews and also reminded myself that I had a Pioneer 6010 for the last year, with not a single complaint.....
So today, I moved the Pioneer down to the Family room, and am ready to hang up the Panasonic 65" VT50 on the bedroom wall, I would have
been even happier if they made a 70" because I think that would have been a perfect size..... That's why I was considering the Sharp... Lets
see the silver bezel looked annoying! I am actually thinking of spray painting it black Matte if it bothers me a lot.
Any suggestions on soundbars? I need one that will be inconspicuous and look like it's part of the TV. Wasn't going to get a Bluray player, am
rethinking that one as well.... 3D glasses any suggestions for this TV?
I did get a audioquest cinnamon cable for $95 .... after it was demo-ed ...... I know I know many are going to say a monoprice one would have been
fine, if I hadn't seen the demo I would have agreed...
Thank you all for your help... Any advice on breaking in this TV? Was going to just play HDTV full screen and not use any slides....
Thanks

To each his own on the cabling part, I know there are some very strong facts and opinions going both ways. The VT50 is an amazing FP no questions asked. As far as soundbars go, what's a rough estimate on price for ya? There's a broad array of SB's in an even wider array of price points. What Best Buy store did you go to if you don't mind me asking? And I also wish Panasonic would bring out a 70 or 75" PDP but I would assume that's never going to happen because the demand is much too low. Sadly.
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post #15 of 30
11/14/12 at 4:57pm
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@hoozthatat, it was a best buy in Hartsdale NY. Do you know what cables the panasonic will come with?
I want to be ready when they deliver it tomorrow morning and all I bought was one HDMI cable ....
When moving my pioneer 6010FD down we moved all the cables that were connected to it. Big mistake
because they were snaked through the wall... Would have been easier to leave those cables incase...

Am I wrong in thinking that all I need to connect it to the fios box is the HDMI cable which will carry picture
and sound both ... I hope so...

Thanks
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post #16 of 30
11/14/12 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

@hoozthatat, it was a best buy in Hartsdale NY. Do you know what cables the panasonic will come with?
I want to be ready when they deliver it tomorrow morning and all I bought was one HDMI cable ....
When moving my pioneer 6010FD down we moved all the cables that were connected to it. Big mistake
because they were snaked through the wall... Would have been easier to leave those cables incase...
Am I wrong in thinking that all I need to connect it to the fios box is the HDMI cable which will carry picture
and sound both ... I hope so...
Thanks

Is all your hooking up your Fios box? Do you have any other sources or an AVR? If all you have is the Fios box then yeah, all you need to do is run the HDMI cable from the HDMI output on the box to the any one of the HDMI inputs on the VT50.
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post #17 of 30
11/15/12 at 1:39pm
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@hoozthatat ..... Okay so here is my update and some questions for you to help me with if you can, and thank-you in advance.
The TV arrived today, The bracket adaptor I got from Chief mounts worked except they didn't take into account the panasonic
power-supply and when that is plugged into the back of the TV it pushes the back plate of the Bracket just a touch and there is
a 1/4 in difference so Chief engineers are trying to sort it out .... Lets see... Otherwise it is hanging up on the wall safely... If I knew
how to post a picture I would ..... Maybe you can tell me how to?

Now, it's 65" compared to the Pioneer PDP-6010FD that I had up, and it doesn't look any bigger at first sight .... What it does look
is so much cheaper than the Pioneer! It's not as well made and the silver bezel, who at Panasonic designed the TV to have that!
I wish it was black, now my eye goes straight to the annoying silver bezel..... I could use a black sharpie and dull it ... Still thinking
of actually masking the TV and spray painting it !!!!!!

Now for help, I need to find out if there are any burnt pixels? I am sure I did this on my Pioneer 7 years ago, have forgotten how.
IS there some way one can see this from within the TV setup process?

Also I am just going to break it in watching normal HD TV, any ideas on what channel without Logos coming up?

Thanks
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post #18 of 30
11/15/12 at 8:47pm
Quality has taken a hit since those heady days of the mid2000s. The ongoing economic crisis has a lot to do with that.

Putting some slides on a USB disk might be the easiest way to check for defective pixels. I don't have the link handy but you should try a forum search for "break-in slides" for more info.
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post #19 of 30
11/21/12 at 9:49pm
Hello,

Sorry to jack up your thread, Im in the same boat as you TS. I cant decide to which tv to buy. Sharp 80" le844u, sharp 70" le847 or the panasonic 65vt50. I want the picture quality of the plasma but my viewing distance is 14ft. (Cant go projector route just incase anybody suggest it). My family room is kinda bright. Right now im using my old panasonic plasma 50s1 and i hate the glare when watching movie or playing ps3 games.

Thanks.
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post #20 of 30
11/21/12 at 10:40pm
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Originally Posted by bryan338 View Post

Hello,
Sorry to jack up your thread, Im in the same boat as you TS. I cant decide to which tv to buy. Sharp 80" le844u, sharp 70" le847 or the panasonic 65vt50. I want the picture quality of the plasma but my viewing distance is 14ft. (Cant go projector route just incase anybody suggest it). My family room is kinda bright. Right now im using my old panasonic plasma 50s1 and i hate the glare when watching movie or playing ps3 games.
Thanks.

The VT50 has pretty darn good bright room performance. I'd say as good as the others you listed above. The benefit of the other two models over the VT50 is sheer light output, but again IMO the VT50 outputs plenty of light. If sheer PQ is what you're looking for then the VT50 can't be bested amongst today's TVs. The 80" obviously gives you the monster feel with an FP of that size and I think the Sharp 847 model is over priced and doesn't offer enough benefit/advantage. The big reason step ups in terms of specs for the 847 is 240Hz, which I think personally is never worth it. And then the fourth sub-pixel Quattron technology which IMO is an absolute joke and does literally nothing in terms of performance except for over saturate the color gamut and add to that awful torch mode feel.

So in summation, biggrin.gif I'd recommend the VT50 hands down. Though the 80" will give that monstrous feel which is always nice and will blow you away day after day. However IMO, the VT50 will outperform the 80" by night and day. Whether it is night or day. biggrin.gif

Best of luck!
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post #21 of 30
11/22/12 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by hoozthatat View Post

The VT50 has pretty darn good bright room performance.

You can see in my post. VT50 is plenty bright.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/7740#post_22614680
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post #22 of 30
11/23/12 at 9:15am
Hi liltalkim, thanks for the pics, nice room and system. May i know your viewing distance? Do you use it for gaming?

Thanks
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post #23 of 30
11/23/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by bryan338 View Post

Hi liltalkim, thanks for the pics, nice room and system. May i know your viewing distance? Do you use it for gaming?
Thanks

Thanks!

I am about 10 feet away from the set.

I do like to game but have not had much time over these few weeks to put the set through its paces gaming.

I hope to get some in over the weekend.
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post #24 of 30
11/23/12 at 4:20pm
Hometheaterreview.com just reviewed a Vizio 70" LED that they were really high on.
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post #25 of 30
11/27/12 at 5:50pm
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[SIZE]4[/SIZE] @liltaklim your TV set up looks great... I have the same TV and have just finished the 150 hrs of breaking in with
HBO HD... Gave up on slides etc....

I wanted to ask you does the red power light annoy you? It really bothers me, first of all it's not in the middle not to one side, it's
just positioned badly... then it's so bright, if you are in a dark room watching a movie, the light looks super bright! I wanted to know
is it has bothered anyone else enough that they did something about it... As in put a tape over it!! Or used a Sharpie to dull it?

Thanks
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post #26 of 30
11/27/12 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

[SIZE]4[/SIZE] @liltaklim your TV set up looks great... I have the same TV and have just finished the 150 hrs of breaking in with
HBO HD... Gave up on slides etc....
I wanted to ask you does the red power light annoy you? It really bothers me, first of all it's not in the middle not to one side, it's
just positioned badly... then it's so bright, if you are in a dark room watching a movie, the light looks super bright! I wanted to know
is it has bothered anyone else enough that they did something about it... As in put a tape over it!! Or used a Sharpie to dull it?
Thanks

It honestly does not bother me though I see where it could/would bother some.

I have thought of covering it with electrical tape just to be proactive about it but I usually forget to do such.
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post #27 of 30
11/28/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

[SIZE]4[/SIZE] .....
I wanted to ask you does the red power light annoy you? It really bothers me,.....it's so bright,... I wanted to know is it has bothered anyone else enough that they did something about it... As in put a tape over it!! Or used a Sharpie to dull it? Thanks

Have what is left of a roll of static-cling Window Tinting Film (originally purchased for S facing office windows). One or two layers of that usually dims unwanted Power (or other) lights sufficiently to get by.

If not, using a Sharpie to darken the first layer, and then placing the second on top of it, does the job.

Static cling material pulls up readily if desired - and can be put back into place as well - but as probably have a Lifetime Supply, at least for covering indicator lights(!), haven't worried about the odd lost piece.

Another option is dual layers of "magic" tape (Write Upon): again, lay first strip down, use a marker to darken it, and then place the second layer on top.

For whatever reason, have always had better luck with the Tinting Film: it blends in very well against most backgrounds.

You can also run out and BUY little "dimples" which are designed to cover indication lights - but the brand name escapes memory now....
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post #28 of 30
11/29/12 at 1:23pm
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Thank you all..... Little dimples will be the best idea as they will fit perfectly... @Dierkrd if you can recall where I can get them from
it would be great... I am sure they will make it look better than all the other ideas I have had so far... again Thank-you...
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post #29 of 30
11/29/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by seabreeze82 View Post

Thank you all..... Little dimples will be the best idea as they will fit perfectly... @Dierkrd if you can recall where I can get them from
it would be great... I am sure they will make it look better than all the other ideas I have had so far... again Thank-you...

Was a topic of discussion on one of the board threads.

Look for something like "Light Dims," although cannot promise that that was the specific brand mentioned....
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post #30 of 30
11/30/12 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

Was a topic of discussion on one of the board threads.
Look for something like "Light Dims," although cannot promise that that was the specific brand mentioned....

Searched for that, nothing came up that was close to topic, maybe someone else will recall and post the thread..
Thanks ...
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