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post #121 of 698
11/13/12 at 4:20am
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I'll probably do that before I return it. I've been looking for a reason to watch Master and Commander again. :-)
Unfortunately there's no perfect tv. I read around here that ALL edge lid, slim design have the same problem. The bigger the TV the more you can see the "binding". All tvs have problems. From the cheapest one to the most expensive one. I wish I could afford the new 65" Panasonic plasma, but the prices are to high. So for $1300 I got a Big nice tv, not perfect but will do the job. Trust me. I seen Tvs for the same price that look a lot worse( the 65" toshiba and the 60" Sharp). So far I'm happy with my purchase and plan to keep it.
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post #122 of 698
11/13/12 at 5:45am
So, is the banding expected on all of these sets, or just some...and does the feed have anything to do with it (blue ray vs cable, or direct tv vs fios etc)?
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post #123 of 698
11/13/12 at 6:22am
I'd like to return to the 'anti-reflective' screen reference a couple of pages back. My TV space has to be directly above our fireplace mantle. There are windows to the immediate left and right of the mantle as well as on both side walls. There's no real natural light directly facing the TV wall, and home lighting is recessed ceiling fixtures that do not really reflect off the TV screen because of the viewing angle. In other words we have a serious ambient light issue but not much direct reflection. Our current LG 52 has a matte screen. I have seen the M650VSE in Walmart and I would describe the screen as 'semi-matte,' not as reflective as most Samsungs but not as matted as most Sharps or our current LG. My questions for new owners are:
1) Would you agree with my screen description as it sits in your home?
2) How effective is the ambient light adjustment feature on this product?
3) How reflective is the screen in your home?
Thanks in advance.
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post #124 of 698
11/13/12 at 6:58am
Hopefully Falconman will post and update.
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post #125 of 698
11/13/12 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

. click the link above to the video and do what he said to test it .... we are all in the return policy time right now and if yours has it and it's something you can't get past after you test it and see what it is I'm talking about ... it may be time to continue shopping for something different (man I hate saying this frown.gif )

I downloaded the TV Blink and will keep the DVD Handy. In the fine print print on the site it states to use S-Video or old school composite to test the HDTV.

"Important note: When you test at the store be sure to do it with a regular DVD player connected via the composite video out or the S-Video out. This way you are really testing the capabilities of the HDTV. If you use a DVD with progressive output (via component cables) you will not see the true performance of the HDTV. The same goes for the newer HDMI up converting DVD players"
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post #126 of 698
11/13/12 at 9:27am
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Hopefully Falconman will post and update.

Me too. I hope this is not as bad as it sound. Crossing my fingers:(
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post #127 of 698
11/13/12 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by ndsports316 View Post

I downloaded the TV Blink and will keep the DVD Handy. In the fine print print on the site it states to use S-Video or old school composite to test the HDTV.
"Important note: When you test at the store be sure to do it with a regular DVD player connected via the composite video out or the S-Video out. This way you are really testing the capabilities of the HDTV. If you use a DVD with progressive output (via component cables) you will not see the true performance of the HDTV. The same goes for the newer HDMI up converting DVD players"

Banding is a screen-backlight uniformity issue and has nothing to do with the source or video processing. It will show up on any image on the screen.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/13/12 at 9:46am
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post #128 of 698
11/13/12 at 9:38am
anyone having lip sync issues with this set? seems to be a common problem in the E601i-A3 thread. really the only thing scaring me off of buying this.
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post #129 of 698
11/13/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by mr266 View Post

So, is the banding expected on all of these sets, or just some...and does the feed have anything to do with it (blue ray vs cable, or direct tv vs fios etc)?

This issue plagues nearly all LCD HDTVs. It varies by individual unit, though design can play a part. The feed/source has nothing to do with it.
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post #130 of 698
11/13/12 at 9:52am
I cant see my minor banding on Football field pans on my set. Only on smoke and fog scenes. So banding varies in severity. Mine is relatively minor. A larger screen can probably make banding more likely and more noticeable.

I also cant see banding on a static grey tone screen. The only time I see banding is in panning or moving fog and smoke. The banding on my set is very minor.

I have vertical banding on my Vizio 42" from 2007.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/13/12 at 10:09am
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post #131 of 698
11/13/12 at 10:05am
Will distance from the tv make a difference how obvious this banding is? We sit approx 20 ft away and I'm thinking that it might not be as obvious and might be more acceptable if only on some real smoke/grey scenes. Darn, I think the more I read, the more I'm getting confused on what to do. smile.gif
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post #132 of 698
11/13/12 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by mr266 View Post

Will distance from the tv make a difference how obvious this banding is? We sit approx 20 ft away and I'm thinking that it might not be as obvious and might be more acceptable if only on some real smoke/grey scenes. Darn, I think the more I read, the more I'm getting confused on what to do. smile.gif

Not really it is a differnce in luminosity and your vision is highly tuned to discern such variations.
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post #133 of 698
11/13/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Not really it is a differnce in luminosity and your vision is highly tuned to discern such variations.

Ok, thanks! I think I'll start looking at a backup plan just in case it becomes obvious that this is a real issue.
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post #134 of 698
11/13/12 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Not really it is a differnce in luminosity and your vision is highly tuned to discern such variations.

Well, I must have unhighly tuned vision. :-) I had a hard time finding any banding on my 37" vizio during the fog scenes. When I have time I'll unbox the 65" and give it a try. It may be a minor issue that won't bother me all that much.
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post #135 of 698
11/13/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Rod S View Post

Well, I must have unhighly tuned vision. :-) I had a hard time finding any banding on my 37" vizio during the fog scenes. When I have time I'll unbox the 65" and give it a try. It may be a minor issue that won't bother me all that much.
I can't see the binding on mine, Maybe cus I'm old and need glasses biggrin.gif
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post #136 of 698
11/13/12 at 1:11pm
I picked up this TV from Costco last weekend since I wanted something bigger downstairs than my 60" Sharp upstairs. Out of the box the picture needed less calibration than the Sharp. The stand is a pita compared to the Sharp but I plan on wall mounting. However I am having serious issues with the remote and after a few calls to Vizio the problem has not been resolved.

The remote works fine right after turning the TV on but after a few minutes I can't access any of the TV's settings. Using the buttons on the side of the TV doesn't work either. I have all my inputs going into a harmon kardon receiver and then one hdmi cable to the TV. I have tried everything from hooking up different devices to nothing connected to the TV at all and the menu still isn't accessible after the set has been on for a few minutes. Vizio is supposed to call me back tonight. I really don't want to lug this set back to Costco and try to figure out something else. Has anyone else experienced this issue? I noticed one other person on Amazon had the same problem and they returned the set.

Other issue I noticed was Blu-Ray's would have a split second stutter every 10 minutes or so when using my Samsung Blu-Ray player. (noticed it on multiple different movies) Using a PS3 seemed to resolve this. My OLD 42" Westinghouse never had the stutter when hooked up to the Samsung Blu-Ray. I really hope my set is just a dud and it isn't a major issue with this model.
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post #137 of 698
11/13/12 at 8:05pm
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New set still has the banding .... Hmmmmm. frown.gif
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post #138 of 698
11/13/12 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

New set still has the banding .... Hmmmmm. frown.gif

Is it better or worse? Less noticeable or more noticeable.
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post #139 of 698
11/13/12 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by zxracer View Post

I picked up this TV from Costco last weekend since I wanted something bigger downstairs than my 60" Sharp upstairs. Out of the box the picture needed less calibration than the Sharp. The stand is a pita compared to the Sharp but I plan on wall mounting. However I am having serious issues with the remote and after a few calls to Vizio the problem has not been resolved.
The remote works fine right after turning the TV on but after a few minutes I can't access any of the TV's settings. Using the buttons on the side of the TV doesn't work either. I have all my inputs going into a harmon kardon receiver and then one hdmi cable to the TV. I have tried everything from hooking up different devices to nothing connected to the TV at all and the menu still isn't accessible after the set has been on for a few minutes. Vizio is supposed to call me back tonight. I really don't want to lug this set back to Costco and try to figure out something else. Has anyone else experienced this issue? I noticed one other person on Amazon had the same problem and they returned the set.
Other issue I noticed was Blu-Ray's would have a split second stutter every 10 minutes or so when using my Samsung Blu-Ray player. (noticed it on multiple different movies) Using a PS3 seemed to resolve this. My OLD 42" Westinghouse never had the stutter when hooked up to the Samsung Blu-Ray. I really hope my set is just a dud and it isn't a major issue with this model.

Check out the Amazon reviews. It seems that the freezing issue is happening to other people as well. I really want this TV but I'm starting to get a bit scared now.
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post #140 of 698
11/13/12 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by patrascu View Post

Check out the Amazon reviews. It seems that the freezing issue is happening to other people as well. I really want this TV but I'm starting to get a bit scared now.

Vizio is sending out a tech. I assume they will replace the main board. I have 90 days to take it back if that doesn't work.
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post #141 of 698
11/13/12 at 11:22pm
What settings are folks having the best results with? Can't seem to get the colors to pop and the reds to be red.

Going to try getting a calibration DVD to see if that will maybe assist,
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post #142 of 698
11/14/12 at 7:27am
Went to Costco yesterday to pick up this TV for $1299 to replace my 10 yr old Sony 61" XBR RPTV. Costco had 1 open box priced at $975. I asked the electronics clerk what's the deal with it. He said it was returned because the base was really wobbly and they cannot get the plastic collar on because it's "too tall". I bought it and looked what is wrong as soon as I got it home. The person who put it together mixed and matched the screws. He used the 16mm long screw on the bottom of the base pushing the plastic trim up where the collar sits. Installed 1 of the screws on the base of the neck before screwing the neck to the base, bending the base of the neck. Straighten the neck with a mallet and grabbed new screws since he also managed to stripped the phillips head. The TV was not even powered on since the power cord and prongs were still wrapped and taped.

Here's a quick pic I took. TV is sitting on a Sonax E-0062-BF Fiji 60-Inch stand and in between 2 Techcraft cabinets.



TV on the floor is a 46" Sony that I bought last week but it's that is too small for the space
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post #143 of 698
11/14/12 at 7:28am
This probably only applys for folks that have the $100 a yr. membership fee to get into the store:

http://www.blackfriday.fm/adscan/samsclub?page=1#img0
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post #144 of 698
11/14/12 at 8:27am
So whats the consensus on this model? Debating getting this on black Friday. Uniformity issues are going to be a somehwat issue unless we go Plasma.


Can anybody else test the uniformity on this model if you have it and let us know if it is really that annoying to pass the tv up for under $1,000
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post #145 of 698
11/14/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by 30PlusRetlaw View Post

I can't tell you why but, I bought a 60" sharp tv a month ago and returned. The pic of the vizio is better than the sharp out of the box, even after tweaking the sharp. This are a few pics. Take in consideration that I haven't tweak the TV. I just mounted on the wall 15 minutes ago. Sorry for the flash. I'm very happy with this TV. I'm so glad I returned the Sharp and bought this tv. Once I play with it, I will post more pics. The sound to me is good. The speakers are pointing down and my TV is up around 4 feet from the floor for the sound is coming out at ear level.
Ok, cool. Thanks for the nice pics and I believe you and falconman like the vizeo over the sharp. The pics you posted do look great OOTB so PQ is not a concern for me now or do I care much about the banding. It's the over all reliability and customer service of vizeo that I'm still not convinced on. I recall couple years ago there was a lot of angry frustrated customers who got a vizeo for great deal and it ended up being a lemon and got nowhere with customer service.

But what heck, for 998 for 65" LED you can't beat that. Plus I'm getting this as a gift for my uncle anyways and he watches football alot. I got him a sharp LED 52" back in 09 and he loves it so hope he'll like this vizeo upgrade.
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post #146 of 698
11/14/12 at 3:49pm
I don't believe I've read anything here (or on other reviews for that matter) regarding motion handling on this set for sports and other fast action programmng.

Can I elicit some observations, and how different picture modes and any motion enhancement settings affect this? Thanks.
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post #147 of 698
11/14/12 at 4:28pm
Two questions posted earlier that I don't believe have received any responses:
1) How's the screen glare and ambient light adjustment on the M650?
2) What does the 'also available online' mean in the Sam's Black Friday ad?
a) available online at the ad price for some period before and after Thanksgiving Day.
b) available online at the ad price on Thanksgiving Day only.
c) available online at the ad price on Thanksgiving Day only and in limited quantities only.
d) something else (?)
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post #148 of 698
11/14/12 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by gamafn View Post

Two questions posted earlier that I don't believe have received any responses:
1) How's the screen glare and ambient light adjustment on the M650?
2) What does the 'also available online' mean in the Sam's Black Friday ad?
a) available online at the ad price for some period before and after Thanksgiving Day.
b) available online at the ad price on Thanksgiving Day only.
c) available online at the ad price on Thanksgiving Day only and in limited quantities only.
d) something else (?)
The screen is semigloss. I don't notice glare when the TV is on. Questions 2, you best bet is to call Sams. I don't have a Costco card and they answer my questions when I call them.
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post #149 of 698
11/14/12 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Is it better or worse? Less noticeable or more noticeable.

Well after watching some of the same stuff I have watched this week (some football and the walking dead) I think this new set is a little better actually! I can still see the banding a bit but it's not as bad as I think it was before ... plus the light bleed in the 4 corners was a lot worse on the last set then this one.

I actually tweaked the sound on this new set more to where I may be able to live without the sound bar (it's just a pain).

My fingers are still crossed ... I want this TV to work for the price and how great the picture is already on all different feeds (Cable, Bluray, WD TV player for 1080P .MKV files, etc.).

I tweaked the picture a bit with a solid blue screen and off white screen to show less banding and I think that helped out a bit.

I'll keep messing with it and watching some more stuff but I am a little more hopeful with this new set.
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post #150 of 698
11/14/12 at 5:49pm
I have my doubts about being able to score this set for $1000 at sams club... mainly I lack the time and patience to do so. On the other hand, Costco has it now for $1300. If I get it at Costco, anyone know if they do price adjustments within the 90 day return period (like if the price drops after Christmas)?

Anyone tried the new black ops on it?
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