Official Vizio M650VSE Owners Thread! - Page 6

Yes they will price match within 90 days if the price gets lowered between the day you bought it and 3 months later (they say only 2 months they will match the price but you have 90 days to return ... if anyone gives you a problem .. which they won't ... say you'll return the old one and buy a new one for the lowered price!)

They do not want you to do this cause they re-sell your old tv at a discount and lose money ... not to mention have your old tv sitting on a cart forever till it sells.

As far as games I do all my gaming on my tv in the office so I have no clue how well this tv does with gaming.

Yep ... watching football is Very pleasant as compared to the 70" Sharp I bought ... the Ghosting / Halo effect was absolutely unbearable ... I get none of that At All on this TV which is SO much better ... but if the smooth motion and off with no smooth / precision, Ya you do get a blur on the fast moving ball at times .... If smooth motion is on though that blur is gone (I saw that ball blur the other day and turned SM on to see what happened and rewound my TiVo to the same spot and the blur was gone so that always a fix for football games if need be ... I think football actually looks better with it on ... other stuff I prefer off).

No tweaking the sound wasn't horrible .... I just turned off the the surround part, kept the Truvolume on ... went into the equalizer settings and put it on the custom where I have a 5 band equalizer ... and really tried to find the sweet spot for good a little more in your face kinda sound. The main thing I did was (might sound ghetto but I really wanted to scratch the sound bar) I had an old sheet of industrial carpet .... I cut a piece about 10" (the length of the speaker out back) it is hard enough so I was able to form an angle to is ... taped the top part to the angle of the speaker box are at at the top of the speaker so it hung out the back and down but didn't cover the speaker and of course not long enough to where you can see it from the front ... it angled just enough to catch the sound and shoot it down more so it wasn't shooting straight out the back and giving a bad kinda echoy sound. All this "Helped" .... not the best still but somewhat bearable now.

Ya this TV for sure has banding but not to bad for most probably ... at-least my second TV wasn't to bad ... the first was a lot worse for some reason. You can always see it on solid color backgrounds or sky / fog scenes where the picture pans fast.

I will see about posting my settings when I can get some time at home and in front of the TV ... They are by no means some pro kinda settings ... just what looked good to me and reduced the banding a bit (I found a solid blue screen on a show that showed the banding while paused ... I left it paused and went to picture settings and just started moving everything around till I cut down the banding a bit and that was what I left it at).

This really is a great TV for the price ... just a couple issues really that some may not even care about ... I myself am a little more critical ... but I may be able to get past really the "Only" issue which is the banding in my opinion .... This TV is spectacular all the way around minus that issue and the bleak sound (which really is normal on most of these thin tv's anyway I'm sure)

I have a very bright living room with a large bay window and the finish on this TV is not an issue at all ... It reall in my opinion isn't semigloss ... it's a matte screen that does Very well with reflections and this really is not an issue to be concerned about with this TV. It doesn't block out all light period ... but it's as good as any other tv I have ever seen at reducing the glare to a minimum ... I Never see anything at all when watching TV when I come for lunch every day ... and it's pretty darn bright in here with 2 windows behind me.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/15/12 at 11:56am

Ya it's in the advanced menu in the picture settings.

I had the 70" Sharp (costco model) and football and sports was the Main reason it's no longer in my home. Bad refresh rate in my opinion but the One Main Thing was the HORRIBLE Ghosting / Halo effect!!! I tried Everything and tweaked everything I could to try and get this to go away but got nothing. The halo effect is a ghosting blur around players, the ball, etc. when there is movement ... it was so bad I could see a hug ghosting blur around Tiger Woods just watching him walk close up on the gold course! It was BAD ... and though it was great on other stuff ... the picture for sports and regular TV HD was a No Go!

When I got this Vizio I saw only Very Slight ghosting on stock settings and all it took was a few minutes to tweak the picture settings a tiny bit and it was Gone! The only thing I can find wrong while watching football now is if I don't have smooth motion and the precision/smooth set When they pass the ball I occasionally get the ball to blur ... I do not get this at all with this setting on ... and I only get this effect sometimes even with it off. I actually like the smooth motion setting to be on for football anyway ... it doesn't really give the soap opera effect like it does for normal programming and help s make the field and everything look more clear and smooth.

I am a couple days into this new set and unfortunately the banding is still present .... Sure wish this was not there ... it is a "Tiny" better then the last but still there and with my critical eye is a bit bothersome on certain programs ... we'll see if I can used to it I guess.

Other than that everything else is awesome ... and the sound now that I tweaked the settings a bit more an makeshifted a cheesy barrier behind the speaker so it fires the sound more down then out the back ... the sound seems a lot better and to the point where I might just be returning the sound bar and running the TV speakers ... still not the best but the speaker bar is a pain and looks a bit tacky to me.

Kinda wish I was a Sams member now ... But I'll stick with Costco for two reason ... 1. I do not want to take back this tv a second time and go buy another ... LOL 2. Costco has a Killer Warranty ... they have 2 years for free and when I went to Sams they do not have this warranty and you have to pay for it.

But granted $998 plus warranty will be less then what I paid but I just don't want to go through the hassle really ... Plus I am not too too sure I will be keeping this set .... I just hope my eye stops looking for this banding all the time .... maybe once I stop thinking about it I won't see it as much, LOL

Read back in this thread and myself and others cover most all of your questions.

This TV by far was better then the 3 times more expensive 70" Sharp I bought at Costco a couple months back for action sports ... the motion blur is the best I have seen thus far (especially with smooth motion on) and the biggest thing for me was the ghosting/halo effect that many other think LED edgelit tv's have ... this does not have that at all. Plus to answer your refresh rate question ... higher Hz means nothing ... heck the Sharp I had was a "Supposed" 480hx refresh rate and it was horrible .... don't buy into this 240/480hz bull ... its not real and most of the time looks NO Different than a basic 120hz (infact I respect a tv that's just 120hz .. I know they are being honest about it).

And I'm sot sure what you mean about the difference in this TV with a M651VSE since that model does not exist ... I think you may be referring to the step up form this TV that has the 3D built in which is the M3D651SV ... the only difference is yes it has 3D but the main reason I did not go with it was the Ultra Glossy Screen (read reviews on this TV they say it's like a mirror) ... plus is has the old old look like the last 65" 3D that's been out for a year or more and in my opinion is ugly as can be!

I wanted the 3D but not if I had a mirror for a TV and it was ugly as hell!

Hope this helps.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/17/12 at 3:31pm