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post #151 of 717
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Originally Posted by outofline View Post

I have my doubts about being able to score this set for $1000 at sams club... mainly I lack the time and patience to do so. On the other hand, Costco has it now for $1300. If I get it at Costco, anyone know if they do price adjustments within the 90 day return period (like if the price drops after Christmas)?
Anyone tried the new black ops on it?

Yes they will price match within 90 days if the price gets lowered between the day you bought it and 3 months later (they say only 2 months they will match the price but you have 90 days to return ... if anyone gives you a problem .. which they won't ... say you'll return the old one and buy a new one for the lowered price!)

They do not want you to do this cause they re-sell your old tv at a discount and lose money ... not to mention have your old tv sitting on a cart forever till it sells.

As far as games I do all my gaming on my tv in the office so I have no clue how well this tv does with gaming.
post #152 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Well after watching some of the same stuff I have watched this week (some football and the walking dead) I think this new set is a little better actually! I can still see the banding a bit but it's not as bad as I think it was before ... plus the light bleed in the 4 corners was a lot worse on the last set then this one.
I actually tweaked the sound on this new set more to where I may be able to live without the sound bar (it's just a pain).
My fingers are still crossed ... I want this TV to work for the price and how great the picture is already on all different feeds (Cable, Bluray, WD TV player for 1080P .MKV files, etc.).
I tweaked the picture a bit with a solid blue screen and off white screen to show less banding and I think that helped out a bit.
I'll keep messing with it and watching some more stuff but I am a little more hopeful with this new set.

Was tweaking the sound a pain, or using a soundbar a pain? I have been looking at soundbars.

I have finally seen I have some banding. Its very minor to me. A fog scene on one of the harry potters showed it. Would you mind me asking what settings you tweaked to lessen the banding? Curious.

Watching tons of football, I get a bit of blur on the ball sometimes. Not a deal breaker at all.

Thanks for the posts.
post #153 of 717
debating between this set and the e601i-a3 - how glossy is the screen on this compared to the e60? I have a pretty bright room (windows facing the tv). Am I better off with the matte finish of the e601i-a3?

thanks.
post #154 of 717
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Originally Posted by Bakes33 View Post

debating between this set and the e601i-a3 - how glossy is the screen on this compared to the e60? I have a pretty bright room (windows facing the tv). Am I better off with the matte finish of the e601i-a3?
thanks.

Both are semi-matte...or probably more accurately semi-gloss. The E601-A3 Anti Reflectivve Coating is slightly more diffusive. This shouldnt be the determining factor in that particular choice between those 2 sets.
post #155 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Was tweaking the sound a pain, or using a soundbar a pain? I have been looking at soundbars.
I have finally seen I have some banding. Its very minor to me. A fog scene on one of the harry potters showed it. Would you mind me asking what settings you tweaked to lessen the banding? Curious.
Watching tons of football, I get a bit of blur on the ball sometimes. Not a deal breaker at all.
Thanks for the posts.

Yep ... watching football is Very pleasant as compared to the 70" Sharp I bought ... the Ghosting / Halo effect was absolutely unbearable ... I get none of that At All on this TV which is SO much better ... but if the smooth motion and off with no smooth / precision, Ya you do get a blur on the fast moving ball at times .... If smooth motion is on though that blur is gone (I saw that ball blur the other day and turned SM on to see what happened and rewound my TiVo to the same spot and the blur was gone so that always a fix for football games if need be ... I think football actually looks better with it on ... other stuff I prefer off).

No tweaking the sound wasn't horrible .... I just turned off the the surround part, kept the Truvolume on ... went into the equalizer settings and put it on the custom where I have a 5 band equalizer ... and really tried to find the sweet spot for good a little more in your face kinda sound. The main thing I did was (might sound ghetto but I really wanted to scratch the sound bar) I had an old sheet of industrial carpet .... I cut a piece about 10" (the length of the speaker out back) it is hard enough so I was able to form an angle to is ... taped the top part to the angle of the speaker box are at at the top of the speaker so it hung out the back and down but didn't cover the speaker and of course not long enough to where you can see it from the front ... it angled just enough to catch the sound and shoot it down more so it wasn't shooting straight out the back and giving a bad kinda echoy sound. All this "Helped" .... not the best still but somewhat bearable now.

Ya this TV for sure has banding but not to bad for most probably ... at-least my second TV wasn't to bad ... the first was a lot worse for some reason. You can always see it on solid color backgrounds or sky / fog scenes where the picture pans fast.

I will see about posting my settings when I can get some time at home and in front of the TV ... They are by no means some pro kinda settings ... just what looked good to me and reduced the banding a bit (I found a solid blue screen on a show that showed the banding while paused ... I left it paused and went to picture settings and just started moving everything around till I cut down the banding a bit and that was what I left it at).

This really is a great TV for the price ... just a couple issues really that some may not even care about ... I myself am a little more critical ... but I may be able to get past really the "Only" issue which is the banding in my opinion .... This TV is spectacular all the way around minus that issue and the bleak sound (which really is normal on most of these thin tv's anyway I'm sure)
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Originally Posted by Bakes33 View Post

debating between this set and the e601i-a3 - how glossy is the screen on this compared to the e60? I have a pretty bright room (windows facing the tv). Am I better off with the matte finish of the e601i-a3?
thanks.

I have a very bright living room with a large bay window and the finish on this TV is not an issue at all ... It reall in my opinion isn't semigloss ... it's a matte screen that does Very well with reflections and this really is not an issue to be concerned about with this TV. It doesn't block out all light period ... but it's as good as any other tv I have ever seen at reducing the glare to a minimum ... I Never see anything at all when watching TV when I come for lunch every day ... and it's pretty darn bright in here with 2 windows behind me.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/15/12 at 11:56am
post #156 of 717
appreciate the quick replies, thanks
post #157 of 717
Smooth Motion setting?
I have downloaded the manual but it has no mention of a smooth motion setting, or any other setting that adjusts the motion handling.

Where exactly is that, and what are the options?
Thanks.

In addition: a couple of you had experienced the Sharp 70" and said it was "bad" with football. Could you explain what you mean by bad - what exactly was not right about that picture that you feel is better on this Vizio?
Thanks.
Edited by Frank_K - 11/15/12 at 1:21pm
post #158 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Yep ... watching football is Very pleasant as compared to the 70" Sharp I bought ... the Ghosting / Halo effect was absolutely unbearable ... I get none of that At All on this TV which is SO much better ... but if the smooth motion and off with no smooth / precision, Ya you do get a blur on the fast moving ball at times .... If smooth motion is on though that blur is gone (I saw that ball blur the other day and turned SM on to see what happened and rewound my TiVo to the same spot and the blur was gone so that always a fix for football games if need be ... I think football actually looks better with it on ... other stuff I prefer off).
No tweaking the sound wasn't horrible .... I just turned off the the surround part, kept the Truvolume on ... went into the equalizer settings and put it on the custom where I have a 5 band equalizer ... and really tried to find the sweet spot for good a little more in your face kinda sound. The main thing I did was (might sound ghetto but I really wanted to scratch the sound bar) I had an old sheet of industrial carpet .... I cut a piece about 10" (the length of the speaker out back) it is hard enough so I was able to form an angle to is ... taped the top part to the angle of the speaker box are at at the top of the speaker so it hung out the back and down but didn't cover the speaker and of course not long enough to where you can see it from the front ... it angled just enough to catch the sound and shoot it down more so it wasn't shooting straight out the back and giving a bad kinda echoy sound. All this "Helped" .... not the best still but somewhat bearable now.
Ya this TV for sure has banding but not to bad for most probably ... at-least my second TV wasn't to bad ... the first was a lot worse for some reason. You can always see it on solid color backgrounds or sky / fog scenes where the picture pans fast.
I will see about posting my settings when I can get some time at home and in front of the TV ... They are by no means some pro kinda settings ... just what looked good to me and reduced the banding a bit (I found a solid blue screen on a show that showed the banding while paused ... I left it paused and went to picture settings and just started moving everything around till I cut down the banding a bit and that was what I left it at).
This really is a great TV for the price ... just a couple issues really that some may not even care about ... I myself am a little more critical ... but I may be able to get past really the "Only" issue which is the banding in my opinion .... This TV is spectacular all the way around minus that issue and the bleak sound (which really is normal on most of these thin tv's anyway I'm sure)

Thank you. I finally have some time to mess with the settings. I think I really lucked out and got one with little banding.

Yes, great tv for the price. And most of all, the wife likes it. She notices things she has never before.
post #159 of 717
I checked this TV out again today at Walmart. It had the quarter inch gap at the top edge of the screen between the active image and the bezel. They also had the 55" version of this set, the M550VSE, and it also had a similar gap (though not quite as large). I find this very strange. It isnt a manufacturing defect, because it seems to be present in different sized models. Someone seems to have designed it this way...or something. Very weird.

The 55" Vizio M550VSE is using the same type panel as the 65" M650VSE.
post #160 of 717
So I contacted Sam's today to inquire about buying the TV today, but I also asked about the return policy.. I asked if they did a price match on items when they go on sale, the woman was adamant to say 'Not on Black Friday!'.. I'm fearful that if I buy it at the higher price, they won't price match me on Black Friday.. Be sure to ask, confirm, and reconfirm if you have to..
post #161 of 717
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

Smooth Motion setting?
I have downloaded the manual but it has no mention of a smooth motion setting, or any other setting that adjusts the motion handling.
Where exactly is that, and what are the options?
Thanks.
In addition: a couple of you had experienced the Sharp 70" and said it was "bad" with football. Could you explain what you mean by bad - what exactly was not right about that picture that you feel is better on this Vizio?
Thanks.

Its under the Advanced Menu.
post #162 of 717
Can anyone suggest tweaked picture settings they are getting good results with. I seem to be close but yellows and skin seem a little too vivid and orange like.
post #163 of 717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Frank_K View Post

Smooth Motion setting?
I have downloaded the manual but it has no mention of a smooth motion setting, or any other setting that adjusts the motion handling.
Where exactly is that, and what are the options?
Thanks.
In addition: a couple of you had experienced the Sharp 70" and said it was "bad" with football. Could you explain what you mean by bad - what exactly was not right about that picture that you feel is better on this Vizio?
Thanks.

Ya it's in the advanced menu in the picture settings.

I had the 70" Sharp (costco model) and football and sports was the Main reason it's no longer in my home. Bad refresh rate in my opinion but the One Main Thing was the HORRIBLE Ghosting / Halo effect!!! I tried Everything and tweaked everything I could to try and get this to go away but got nothing. The halo effect is a ghosting blur around players, the ball, etc. when there is movement ... it was so bad I could see a hug ghosting blur around Tiger Woods just watching him walk close up on the gold course! It was BAD ... and though it was great on other stuff ... the picture for sports and regular TV HD was a No Go!

When I got this Vizio I saw only Very Slight ghosting on stock settings and all it took was a few minutes to tweak the picture settings a tiny bit and it was Gone! The only thing I can find wrong while watching football now is if I don't have smooth motion and the precision/smooth set When they pass the ball I occasionally get the ball to blur ... I do not get this at all with this setting on ... and I only get this effect sometimes even with it off. I actually like the smooth motion setting to be on for football anyway ... it doesn't really give the soap opera effect like it does for normal programming and help s make the field and everything look more clear and smooth.

I am a couple days into this new set and unfortunately the banding is still present .... Sure wish this was not there ... it is a "Tiny" better then the last but still there and with my critical eye is a bit bothersome on certain programs ... we'll see if I can used to it I guess.

Other than that everything else is awesome ... and the sound now that I tweaked the settings a bit more an makeshifted a cheesy barrier behind the speaker so it fires the sound more down then out the back ... the sound seems a lot better and to the point where I might just be returning the sound bar and running the TV speakers ... still not the best but the speaker bar is a pain and looks a bit tacky to me.
post #164 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Ya it's in the advanced menu in the picture settings.
I had the 70" Sharp (costco model) and football and sports was the Main reason it's no longer in my home. Bad refresh rate in my opinion but the One Main Thing was the HORRIBLE Ghosting / Halo effect!!! I tried Everything and tweaked everything I could to try and get this to go away but got nothing. The halo effect is a ghosting blur around players, the ball, etc. when there is movement ... it was so bad I could see a hug ghosting blur around Tiger Woods just watching him walk close up on the gold course! It was BAD ... and though it was great on other stuff ... the picture for sports and regular TV HD was a No Go!
When I got this Vizio I saw only Very Slight ghosting on stock settings and all it took was a few minutes to tweak the picture settings a tiny bit and it was Gone! The only thing I can find wrong while watching football now is if I don't have smooth motion and the precision/smooth set When they pass the ball I occasionally get the ball to blur ... I do not get this at all with this setting on ... and I only get this effect sometimes even with it off. I actually like the smooth motion setting to be on for football anyway ... it doesn't really give the soap opera effect like it does for normal programming and help s make the field and everything look more clear and smooth.
I am a couple days into this new set and unfortunately the banding is still present .... Sure wish this was not there ... it is a "Tiny" better then the last but still there and with my critical eye is a bit bothersome on certain programs ... we'll see if I can used to it I guess.
Other than that everything else is awesome ... and the sound now that I tweaked the settings a bit more an makeshifted a cheesy barrier behind the speaker so it fires the sound more down then out the back ... the sound seems a lot better and to the point where I might just be returning the sound bar and running the TV speakers ... still not the best but the speaker bar is a pain and looks a bit tacky to me.

Amen Falcon!!!!! Sharp was the worse TV i had ever own(for a short while) Football is all I watch and the Shap was giving me headaches. I don't see the ghosting in the vizio and I can enjoy watching Football again. The problem about the audio in my opinion is that the speakers are pointing downward not forward. Since I have mine mounted in the wall the sound come out at ear level and I can hear clearly. About the sharp....... I told my wife how bad the blacks were and she couldn't see what I was talking about until I show her how much better the black clothing, tires on cars and letter look on the vizio. I'm very happy with this TV so far. Also buying this TV from costco is a good deal since they give you 90 days to return, an extra year of warranty and 3 extra years is only $99 bucks.
post #165 of 717
By any chance anyone here try this calibration software?

http://www.imagingscience.com/
post #166 of 717
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By any chance anyone here try this calibration software?
http://www.imagingscience.com/

Most reviews on Amazon are pretty bad.
post #167 of 717
anyone do any gaming on this set yet? how is the lag?
post #168 of 717
Okay, so I just called Sam's Club again, and the person who answered this time told me something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. She said the Price Adjustment Policy is 7 Days. I went ahead and told her that my plan was to come in and buy the TV for the price listed on Monday or Tuesday, and then come back on Friday morning for the Price Adjustment. She laughed and said 'good strategy'. LOL

I asked her if I could do that, she said 'as long as you come back within the 7 Days, we can't deny you that price adjustment'.

SCORE!
post #169 of 717
Just called another Sam's and asked about Blackout Dates, and the guy who said he was the Assistant Manager said that there are none.

It looks like I'll try to either go buy it tomorrow or Sunday, just to be within the 7-Day Window, and then go back on Black Friday to get it adjusted.

This way I don't have to worry about the lines, and getting up at the crack of dawn to fight old ladies and children.

I'll keep the forum posted as to my success.
post #170 of 717
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Just called another Sam's and asked about Blackout Dates, and the guy who said he was the Assistant Manager said that there are none.
It looks like I'll try to either go buy it tomorrow or Sunday, just to be within the 7-Day Window, and then go back on Black Friday to get it adjusted.
This way I don't have to worry about the lines, and getting up at the crack of dawn to fight old ladies and children.
I'll keep the forum posted as to my success.

You must be lucky because, I have checked Sam's Club online, and Sam's is not even selling this tv m650vse until Black Friday. It is not even on display or instock anywhere to stop people from this strategy. Walmart is doing the same thing with their 60inch tv.

Copy paste the model into Samsclub.com and it doesn't exist. I'm afraid you wont find this tv in any store. But maybe your the lucky one!
post #171 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Most reviews on Amazon are pretty bad.

Is there any good calibration software out there?
post #172 of 717
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Originally Posted by MindKntrl View Post

Okay, so I just called Sam's Club again, and the person who answered this time told me something TOTALLY DIFFERENT. She said the Price Adjustment Policy is 7 Days. I went ahead and told her that my plan was to come in and buy the TV for the price listed on Monday or Tuesday, and then come back on Friday morning for the Price Adjustment. She laughed and said 'good strategy'. LOL
I asked her if I could do that, she said 'as long as you come back within the 7 Days, we can't deny you that price adjustment'.
SCORE!

Kinda wish I was a Sams member now ... But I'll stick with Costco for two reason ... 1. I do not want to take back this tv a second time and go buy another ... LOL 2. Costco has a Killer Warranty ... they have 2 years for free and when I went to Sams they do not have this warranty and you have to pay for it.

But granted $998 plus warranty will be less then what I paid but I just don't want to go through the hassle really ... Plus I am not too too sure I will be keeping this set .... I just hope my eye stops looking for this banding all the time .... maybe once I stop thinking about it I won't see it as much, LOL
post #173 of 717
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Originally Posted by 30PlusRetlaw View Post

Is there any good calibration software out there?

Try http://tvblink.com/ its free, Has a ton of tests.
post #174 of 717
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You must be lucky because, I have checked Sam's Club online, and Sam's is not even selling this tv m650vse until Black Friday. It is not even on display or instock anywhere to stop people from this strategy. Walmart is doing the same thing with their 60inch tv.
Copy paste the model into Samsclub.com and it doesn't exist. I'm afraid you wont find this tv in any store. But maybe your the lucky one!

I had that problem too (searching the product on the site), but called ahead to have them check the stock.. I called and gave them the item number at a Sam's about 20 miles from my house and she pulled up 6 in stock, and even gave me the make, model number and features... I specifically asked if I could come pick one up this weekend and the lady (her name was Melissa) said 'Sure!'.. We'll see, I may just go pick it up tomorrow to get ahead of the game.. I will certainly report my findings..

Worth a shot.. I'm going to call again before I make the trip, get a name and be adamant about saying that I'm driving some made up number of miles to get it, that way when I get there, if they try to tell me something different, I'll have a name to drop and a position to protest the non-sale, especially if they have the stock handy..
post #175 of 717
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Originally Posted by MindKntrl View Post

I had that problem too (searching the product on the site), but called ahead to have them check the stock.. I called and gave them the item number at a Sam's about 20 miles from my house and she pulled up 6 in stock, and even gave me the make, model number and features... I specifically asked if I could come pick one up this weekend and the lady (her name was Melissa) said 'Sure!'.. We'll see, I may just go pick it up tomorrow to get ahead of the game.. I will certainly report my findings..
Worth a shot.. I'm going to call again before I make the trip, get a name and be adamant about saying that I'm driving some made up number of miles to get it, that way when I get there, if they try to tell me something different, I'll have a name to drop and a position to protest the non-sale, especially if they have the stock handy..

So its about $1,400 and your gonna head back on Blackfriday and have them credit the money back for $998? I sure hope you don't get stiffed. I hate trying to play this kind of game, I seem to always get the short end of the stick where the store manager tells me, sorry those prices are for blackfriday and we can not adjust the price because you bought the product 5 days in advance.
post #176 of 717
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Originally Posted by ndsports316 View Post

So its about $1,400 and your gonna head back on Blackfriday and have them credit the money back for $998? I sure hope you don't get stiffed. I hate trying to play this kind of game, I seem to always get the short end of the stick where the store manager tells me, sorry those prices are for blackfriday and we can not adjust the price because you bought the product 5 days in advance.

In which case I would have to decide to either keep the tv at the higher price, or return it and purchase it cheaper at Cosco, OR, wait til around Christmas to see what the prices are doing then.. Good thing is, I'm not locked in on the higher price. I have the 'adjustment' option for 7 days, but the 'return' option for 30 (or more).
post #177 of 717
costco has 90 day return policy!
post #178 of 717
Costco's return policy is the best smile.gif

Can anyone comment on motion "blurring" with action sports?
In looking at their web site, Vizio makes another similar model with twice the refresh rate. I wonder if that's to help with fast moving scenes...
Has anyone seen the M650VSE and the M651VSE. What's the difference between the two?
Thanks
post #179 of 717
No Dice.. The way it's coded in their system shows they have it in store, but I couldn't buy it.. The register wouldn't allow the sale... They loaded it on the cart and everyone for me, we get to the register and it said 'Sale Not Allowed'... The manager even tried to push it through for the $1398 price, but it wouldn't take.. It's ONLY for Black Friday sale at Sam's and each store ONLY got 6..

GOOD LUCK!
post #180 of 717
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

Costco's return policy is the best smile.gif
Can anyone comment on motion "blurring" with action sports?
In looking at their web site, Vizio makes another similar model with twice the refresh rate. I wonder if that's to help with fast moving scenes...
Has anyone seen the M650VSE and the M651VSE. What's the difference between the two?
Thanks

Read back in this thread and myself and others cover most all of your questions.

This TV by far was better then the 3 times more expensive 70" Sharp I bought at Costco a couple months back for action sports ... the motion blur is the best I have seen thus far (especially with smooth motion on) and the biggest thing for me was the ghosting/halo effect that many other think LED edgelit tv's have ... this does not have that at all. Plus to answer your refresh rate question ... higher Hz means nothing ... heck the Sharp I had was a "Supposed" 480hx refresh rate and it was horrible .... don't buy into this 240/480hz bull ... its not real and most of the time looks NO Different than a basic 120hz (infact I respect a tv that's just 120hz .. I know they are being honest about it).

And I'm sot sure what you mean about the difference in this TV with a M651VSE since that model does not exist ... I think you may be referring to the step up form this TV that has the 3D built in which is the M3D651SV ... the only difference is yes it has 3D but the main reason I did not go with it was the Ultra Glossy Screen (read reviews on this TV they say it's like a mirror) ... plus is has the old old look like the last 65" 3D that's been out for a year or more and in my opinion is ugly as can be!

I wanted the 3D but not if I had a mirror for a TV and it was ugly as hell!

Hope this helps.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/17/12 at 3:31pm
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