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post #31 of 717
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Hey everyone again,
So Amazon will have my T.V. here on Tuesday. They use a third party called Pilot to check the T.V. when they ship it. I will have to wait till then.
So let me ask all of you, what should I do. Should I take the $300 hit now or wait till black Friday and try to buy this thing. I have no idea. I mean honestly $300 is not huge but still a significant amount. Should I just return the T.V. from Amazon and wait it out?
Help me out...I'm going Crazy!!!! smile.gif

Well how much is it gonna cost you to ship it back and return it?
post #32 of 717
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Originally Posted by alphaq1888 View Post

Hey everyone again,
So Amazon will have my T.V. here on Tuesday. They use a third party called Pilot to check the T.V. when they ship it. I will have to wait till then.
So let me ask all of you, what should I do. Should I take the $300 hit now or wait till black Friday and try to buy this thing. I have no idea. I mean honestly $300 is not huge but still a significant amount. Should I just return the T.V. from Amazon and wait it out?
Help me out...I'm going Crazy!!!! smile.gif

If you have the funds to just take delivery on the Amazon TV and then in a couple weeks try and jump on the Sams Club deal if you have the extra cash .... if you can get it then request a return for your Amazon TV before the 30 days is up (I would assume it's 30 days to return) and have it shipped back for a refund. It's all a bit of a pain ya but is it worth the extra 300 bucks is the question. Just a thought.
post #33 of 717
Just how poor is the sound quality? I am looking for something like this but my intention was to hang it on the wall. Like the OP I don't always want to be always running the surround sound setup. I usually run the sound setup but my wife normally just turns on the TV. She does the most non movie/gaming TV watching. I'll head to Costco this weekend and check it out.
post #34 of 717
PICS.......WE NEED SOME CUSTOMERS PICS!!!!!!!! smile.gif
post #35 of 717
Finally got the TV yesterday... hung it up myself, have it angled down towards the couch.


I'm not too good with quality setting but I enjoy watching most of everything on vivid setting, but had to change the smooth moiton effect to high and cinema mode to precision which to me seemed to help the football become less fuzzy when being thrown but I know not to expect football to be like a HD Blu Ray movie.
post #36 of 717
If anyone can help me customize a setting for smoother sports I'd appreciate it.
post #37 of 717
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Originally Posted by eze05 View Post

Finally got the TV yesterday... hung it up myself, have it angled down towards the couch.

I'm not too good with quality setting but I enjoy watching most of everything on vivid setting, but had to change the smooth moiton effect to high and cinema mode to precision which to me seemed to help the football become less fuzzy when being thrown but I know not to expect football to be like a HD Blu Ray movie.
That pic is definitely VIVID. My eyes!
post #38 of 717
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I'm not too good with quality setting but I enjoy watching most of everything on vivid setting, but had to change the smooth motion effect to high and cinema mode to precision which to me seemed to help the football become less fuzzy when being thrown but I know not to expect football to be like a HD Blu Ray movie.

Vivid is the worst setting ... I have not had any issues with sports with or without smooth motion or cinema mode ... I was watching one game the other day and the ball blurred a little and when I turned on smooth to low and cinema to precision it was gone ... but other then seeing that one time I don;t see much blur or ghosting at all with the smooth motion off.

I would move over to custom on your picture setting and tweak with it ... the Vivid is just to much and the colors, saturation, contrast, color tone and brightness are just WAY Off from where they should be.

I am not totally done yet in tweaking a few things here and there but once I find the sweet spot I will try and post my configuration for what I found "I" like in picture settings.

Also I will take a couple pics of my set-up later tonight and post as well.
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Originally Posted by Rod S View Post

Just how poor is the sound quality? I am looking for something like this but my intention was to hang it on the wall. Like the OP I don't always want to be always running the surround sound setup. I usually run the sound setup but my wife normally just turns on the TV. She does the most non movie/gaming TV watching. I'll head to Costco this weekend and check it out.

It's poor in the sense the sound ir rear-firing ... the speakers are good but the sound shoots straight out the back and with my set-up mi have mine on a stand with about a foot or so of space behind the tv before it hits the wall so it sounds hollow and echoey. Now if you are mounting on the wall the sound hitting the wall right away may be pretty good. But for me and my set-up I am Not Pleased with the bad sound and the rear firing speakers .
Edited by falconman515 - 11/8/12 at 7:33pm
post #39 of 717
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Vivid is the worst setting ... I have not had any issues with sports with or without smooth motion or cinema mode ... I was watching one game the other day and the ball blurred a little and when I turned on smooth to low and cinema to precision it was gone ... but other then seeing that one time I don;t see much blur or ghosting at all with the smooth motion off.
I would move over to custom on your picture setting and tweak with it ... the Vivid is just to much and the colors, saturation, contrast, color tone and brightness are just WAY Off from where they should be.
I am not totally done yet in tweaking a few things here and there but once I find the sweet spot I will try and post my configuration for what I found "I" like in picture settings.
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Cheers - I like the Vivid Setting - I tend to enjoy the digital vibrant looks. Should i move the smooth to low or to high? I'll play it with more. I kind of want a setting to keep on all the time. Or should I change them about when I do movies and other things?

I like to consider my self tech savy but when it comes to TVs I dont know how to adjust right. Plus the backlight can't be adjust on custom or am I missing something?
post #40 of 717
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Cheers - I like the Vivid Setting - I tend to enjoy the digital vibrant looks. Should i move the smooth to low or to high? I'll play it with more. I kind of want a setting to keep on all the time. Or should I change them about when I do movies and other things?
I like to consider my self tech savy but when it comes to TVs I dont know how to adjust right. Plus the backlight can't be adjust on custom or am I missing something?

I like the low settings ... seems like it's not tons of soap opera effect when on low. And I keep it on presision .. the smooth seems a little to smooth of motion and not kinda normal (as normal as this setting can be anyway). Also you must be missing something cause in custom you can customize 'Any' settings you want .. even the backlight.

I try and keep my regular cable tv shows with no smooth motion at all. and like I said I watched some football on Monday after it got hooked up and then watched the Dallas game I had TiVo'ed back for a while that night and didn't see any issue at all with jest regular viewing without the smooth motion enabled. I watched Sports Center back as well and didn't notice anything until I think yesterday watching SC and saw Andrew Luck throw the football ... keep in mind it wasn't full regular speed ... and the ball had a huge trail and ring around it as it was in the air. I turned on smooth motion to low and precision and rewound it and the trail was gone.

So maybe all depending on the feed you are watching ... cause when you watch sports center it's a recorded feed from another network and every network is different on how well an LCD/LED will transmit the signal ... some network channels are smooth and perfect while others are a little pixely and what not.

All in all it's just as good as my old Vizio XVT Rear-Array I bought about 3 years ago and now 10" more inches to boot .... The 70" Sharp I had was SO bad compared to this TV ... at least for sports ... movies on it and 3D was stunning, but regular tv and sports (which is what I watch most) was terrible.

I would suggest tweaking with the settings a bit more and finding the sweet spot for your eyes ... trust me bro .. Vivid is not the sweet spot for anybody! LOL
post #41 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

I like the low settings ... seems like it's not tons of soap opera effect when on low. And I keep it on presision .. the smooth seems a little to smooth of motion and not kinda normal (as normal as this setting can be anyway). Also you must be missing something cause in custom you can customize 'Any' settings you want .. even the backlight.
I try and keep my regular cable tv shows with no smooth motion at all. and like I said I watched some football on Monday after it got hooked up and then watched the Dallas game I had TiVo'ed back for a while that night and didn't see any issue at all with jest regular viewing without the smooth motion enabled. I watched Sports Center back as well and didn't notice anything until I think yesterday watching SC and saw Andrew Luck throw the football ... keep in mind it wasn't full regular speed ... and the ball had a huge trail and ring around it as it was in the air. I turned on smooth motion to low and precision and rewound it and the trail was gone.
So maybe all depending on the feed you are watching ... cause when you watch sports center it's a recorded feed from another network and every network is different on how well an LCD/LED will transmit the signal ... some network channels are smooth and perfect while others are a little pixely and what not.
All in all it's just as good as my old Vizio XVT Rear-Array I bought about 3 years ago and now 10" more inches to boot .... The 70" Sharp I had was SO bad compared to this TV ... at least for sports ... movies on it and 3D was stunning, but regular tv and sports (which is what I watch most) was terrible.
I would suggest tweaking with the settings a bit more and finding the sweet spot for your eyes ... trust me bro .. Vivid is not the sweet spot for anybody! LOL

I must of missed something. And I apologize for my quick response. I was slightly in a rush.

That is true that it's all different types of feeds. Even channels and games must be different. So one setting may look good on one. Not so good on another.

I currently on Motion Effect on High and Precision. I like that. Plus I have custom settings that Ive set up. But to change the backlight is greyed out. Do I have to go further into advanced?



I have an NVidia graphics card which offers Digital Vibrance and I usually up that by 25% from the default option. I just like the way the colors are tweaked more "vivid" - Though vivid looked eh during football. But other shows I enjoyed. Maybe because Ive enjoyed my computer looking that way, Ive become accustom to when its off colors looking a lot paler?
post #42 of 717
I saw this TV tonight in the Sams Club ad for black Friday. I have a 55" Samsung LCD that is almost 3 years old now, this is looking pretty tempting...

How are the games on this? Any played any yet? (PS3 or Xbox)
Edited by shopking68 - 11/8/12 at 11:25pm
post #43 of 717
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Plus I have custom settings that Ive set up. But to change the backlight is greyed out. Do I have to go further into advanced?

I just like the way the colors are tweaked more "vivid" - Though vivid looked eh during football. But other shows I enjoyed

Not sure ... I just went ot my TV to double check and my picture is on "Custom" picture setting and backlight along with all the others are open and nothing is grayed out at all. Wonder if the feed you have to the TV makes a difference ... I highly doubt it though. But no there is nothing further you need to go into .. I just go to picture then change to "custom" and everything is open ready to be adjusted. Strange yours is grayed out.

FYI ... Vivid is a 100% no go for sports ... the brightness, high contrast, and all the settings on this picture mode in general are very bad for sports since it is so fast paced and really with a TV feed and it not being true 1080P HD causes many artifacts and the uniformity is just shot. I wish I could get you away from Vivid mode All Together cause it's SO bad ... but if you are watching any sports stay away from this mode. Like I said I use my custom settings with smooth motion off and watch sports and it looks awesome (occasional little blur here an there but not bad) ... but vivid and no smooth motion means artifact, pixelizing, blur and ghosting for sure.

Picture settings are KEY to a great picture and getting the best experience that your TV has to offer.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/9/12 at 12:33am
post #44 of 717
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Here is my set-up guys ..... been a few days and I am VERY pleased with this TV so far ... Bar None Best Bang For The Buck IMHO!

My Equipment:

Vizio M650VSE TV
Sony soundbar with sub (may change)
Denon 7.1 Receiver
7 Onkyo speakers
10" Onkyo Powered Sub
12" MTX Powered Sub
Trip-Lite Isobar PowerCenter
Sony Bluray Player
TiVo Premiere
Comcast HD Cable Box
WD TV Live Media Player
Broadway 60" Black TV Stand

Here it all is ...................................

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post #45 of 717
How wide is the base of the stand, want to see if my tv stand will hold this.
post #46 of 717
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How wide is the base of the stand, want to see if my tv stand will hold this.

The stand base is exactly 26" wide
post #47 of 717
I'll tell you tomorrow.

Pilot agreed to deliver my set around 3pm tomorrow evening. I'll take a few pictures and try to get them up here.

Edit: I'm talking about the person asking about how games might look.
post #48 of 717
Waiting to hear if there's noticable input lag on this TV for gaming. Someone that has tried it, please advise?
post #49 of 717
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It's poor in the sense the sound ir rear-firing ... the speakers are good but the sound shoots straight out the back and with my set-up mi have mine on a stand with about a foot or so of space behind the tv before it hits the wall so it sounds hollow and echoey. Now if you are mounting on the wall the sound hitting the wall right away may be pretty good. But for me and my set-up I am Not Pleased with the bad sound and the rear firing speakers .

OK..thank you! I'm going to check it out today at Costco.
post #50 of 717
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Waiting to hear if there's noticable input lag on this TV for gaming. Someone that has tried it, please advise?

I'm also interested in this as my son plays X box.
post #51 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Here is my set-up guys ..... been a few days and I am VERY pleased with this TV so far ... Bar None Best Bang For The Buck IMHO!
My Equipment:
Vizio M650VSE TV
Sony soundbar with sub (may change)
Denon 7.1 Receiver
7 Onkyo speakers
10" Onkyo Powered Sub
12" MTX Powered Sub
Trip-Lite Isobar PowerCenter
Sony Bluray Player
TiVo Premiere
Comcast HD Cable Box
WD TV Live Media Player
Broadway 60" Black TV Stand
Here it all is ...................................
dsc01020c.jpg

Sweet, setup. Is the two subs overkill though?
post #52 of 717
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Sweet, setup. Is the two subs overkill though?

Well when I bought the sound system the one Onkyo 10" Powered sub didn't give the most amazing bass possible and the real low low ends we're lacking ... I though I would try a second 12" sub years ago and put it on the other side of the room and that Really opened up the sound and gave perfect lows. So no it worked out great having both subs ... and of course I can fine tune the bass where I like it anyway so it's not to loud or to low ... it sounds Perfect!!!
post #53 of 717
I just picked up a unit at Costco. Interestingly the normal price is $1299 at our store. The floor clerk thought it was strange too but he was busy having fun indulging me in changing the picture settings on a couple sets. Unfortunately, I won't get to try it out for two weeks while the family room is being remodeled but I figured I might as well pick one up now while I have time instead of in two weeks when I'll be too busy. I spent some time looking at the pictures of the 55" and on up sets. I realize the feed probably isn't all that great and the sets are whatever calibration set by the last guy messing with them but I have to say I was highly impressed with the picture against the LG, Samsung neighbors. I was more surprised the 60" vizio didn't have the deep blacks and seemed a bit lacking when comparing the 65 against it. I could watch both sets at the same time and the picture settings were the same on each. I cranked the sound all the way up on the M650 and the sound will work fine for my wife. In the store environment I didn't think it sounded any worse or better than our 42" Vizio we have in another room. I was willing to buy any unit I thought had the best picture even if the price was substantially higher but during my review I think the m650 is a hands down winner.
post #54 of 717
Rod, you didn't happen to compare the 80in sharp against it...stricktly for picture quality. I would love to get one but a 65 in with a great picture and a couple thousand less sounds good too.
post #55 of 717
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Rod, you didn't happen to compare the 80in sharp against it...stricktly for picture quality. I would love to get one but a 65 in with a great picture and a couple thousand less sounds good too.


You know, I did look at it because...you know bigger is better right? Unfortunately, it was two rows back and on the far end so there was no line of sight to compare the two. It did look good but my search was really in the 55 to 65" range.
post #56 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Not sure ... I just went ot my TV to double check and my picture is on "Custom" picture setting and backlight along with all the others are open and nothing is grayed out at all. Wonder if the feed you have to the TV makes a difference ... I highly doubt it though. But no there is nothing further you need to go into .. I just go to picture then change to "custom" and everything is open ready to be adjusted. Strange yours is grayed out.
FYI ... Vivid is a 100% no go for sports ... the brightness, high contrast, and all the settings on this picture mode in general are very bad for sports since it is so fast paced and really with a TV feed and it not being true 1080P HD causes many artifacts and the uniformity is just shot. I wish I could get you away from Vivid mode All Together cause it's SO bad ... but if you are watching any sports stay away from this mode. Like I said I use my custom settings with smooth motion off and watch sports and it looks awesome (occasional little blur here an there but not bad) ... but vivid and no smooth motion means artifact, pixelizing, blur and ghosting for sure.
Picture settings are KEY to a great picture and getting the best experience that your TV has to offer.


Appreciate the input falcon. Will mess around more. Have a lot going on today and tonight. smile.gif
post #57 of 717
Darn, I wish their were some pro reviews on this TV. I can't find anything except blogs reviews that are really for click thru $$.

Lots of positive reviews on the E series 60" that's also at Costco, but I would rather get the bigger size for $300 more.

Here is the E series review I spotted. Only wish I could find just one thorough review on this M series 65".

Hoping c-net will take a look at it soon. But since sale is only til 11/24 it will need to be soon. I suppose Costco does have a good return policy and I could buy it and if not happy and pro reviews are poor then will go with that sub $1000 60" E series.
post #58 of 717
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Darn, I wish their were some pro reviews on this TV. I can't find anything except blogs reviews that are really for click thru $$.
Lots of positive reviews on the E series 60" that's also at Costco, but I would rather get the bigger size for $300 more.
Here is the E series review I spotted. Only wish I could find just one thorough review on this M series 65".
Hoping c-net will take a look at it soon. But since sale is only til 11/24 it will need to be soon. I suppose Costco does have a good return policy and I could buy it and if not happy and pro reviews are poor then will go with that sub $1000 60" E series.

I like reviews but pro reviews are WAY to critical for real world feedback with a TV in this price range or nay TV for that matter, pro reviews mean nothing to me most of the time (if it's not one thing it's another with those guys).... granted the 60" cheaper model has a couple descent pro reviews surprisingly enough.

I like user reviews and my own review ... that's why I pulled the trigger on this before there any reviews on this TV at all really.

Just buy it and review it yourself ... like you said it's Costco .... they will take back it back with no questions asked if it's up to par for your liking.

I doubt you will be disappointed .... I am still shocked by this TV for the most part for this price ... it's crazy!
post #59 of 717
Any input on how the screen is in a room with windows? I thought I saw that it performed well, but now I can't find where I read that. This screen is more Matte I believe? Going to start calling some Costco's here in the Inland Empire area of So Cali to see if any have it. Swung by a Costco in Chino Hills last night and they had none.

Edit: Found one on display at a Costco. Right out of box with Directv live on it. Football in HD. Pic didn't look so hot. Just blaa. What am I missing here?
Edited by brewsbro - 11/10/12 at 1:27pm
post #60 of 717
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Any input on how the screen is in a room with windows? I thought I saw that it performed well, but now I can't find where I read that. This screen is more Matte I believe? Going to start calling some Costco's here in the Inland Empire area of So Cali to see if any have it. Swung by a Costco in Chino Hills last night and they had none.
Edit: Found one on display at a Costco. Right out of box with Directv live on it. Football in HD. Pic didn't look so hot. Just blaa. What am I missing here?

I don't really trust the displays at the stores. They don't really setup them up right, and sometimes they use splitters to run one signal to all the tvs, which reduces the quality of the tvs by a ton!
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