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post #301 of 717
Recently purchased the Vizio M650VSE and I'm having external surround sound speaker issues.

The theater system I have is a Sony DAV-HDX589W which is nothing special but here's my issue:

Im completely satisfied with my Vizio TV however I'm unable to listen to sound while watching regular tv or while playing games on my xbox via the theater system. When I play DVDs it works.

My question is:

Is there some sort of audio configuration on the Vizio to make this work? Is anyone else having this issue? I run my theater system via hdmi cables but my previous setup I used hdmi for the DVDs and regular AV jacks for the sound when watching tv and/or playing games. It seems like the Vizio doesn't have audio/out jacks.

I called Vizio and they said the TV is specifically made for the Vizio sound bar and not other devices. I find this hard to believe.
post #302 of 717
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Originally Posted by iamwoow View Post

Recently purchased the Vizio M650VSE and I'm having external surround sound speaker issues.
The theater system I have is a Sony DAV-HDX589W which is nothing special but here's my issue:
Im completely satisfied with my Vizio TV however I'm unable to listen to sound while watching regular tv or while playing games on my xbox via the theater system. When I play DVDs it works.
My question is:
Is there some sort of audio configuration on the Vizio to make this work? Is anyone else having this issue? I run my theater system via hdmi cables but my previous setup I used hdmi for the DVDs and regular AV jacks for the sound when watching tv and/or playing games. It seems like the Vizio doesn't have audio/out jacks.
I called Vizio and they said the TV is specifically made for the Vizio sound bar and not other devices. I find this hard to believe.

I just checked the user manual and you should have both a 3.5mm analog Audio out as well as a Digital Optical audio out. if you use the 3.5mm analog out, you might need a splitter/adaptor to the standard RCA R-L plugs.

and I wouild certainly call Vizio support back, as the response you got doesn't make a lot of sense.

Thanks
Rick
post #303 of 717
I was in line at sams at 1am on black Friday and was able to get the last ticket for one im thinking of getting the 3 yr plan at sams or should i get the one directly from square trade.

I have it all set up im just trying to figure out if i want to mount it on my wall or not it looks so big and not sure if the wall mount would hold it up.

Anyone have an idea of a good wall mount.

I love the TV so far. I also got a sound bar and it works great. anyone have any ideas of which is the best way to hook it up.
Samsung - 2.1-Channel Home Theater Soundbar System with Wireless Subwoofer
Model: HW-E450ZA

I need some advice on how to hook up all my stuff to this tv.
PS3
XBOX 360
CABLE BOX
WII
SOUNDBAR
post #304 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Anyone check Costco today to see if this TV had gone down in price?
I know I heard it wasn't going to be lowered but was just wondering if anyone confirmed this today!?!
Thanks smile.gif
What 70" are you referring to? I don't see a 70" TV for 1500 on costco.com

The 70" vizio was on sale for one day only yesterday for 1499.00. Had to call around to a few stores before I found one in stock
post #305 of 717
70 is on sale through the 26th smile.gif
post #306 of 717
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

70 is on sale through the 26th smile.gif

My local Costco had 3 in stock. And a whole bunch of 60-inchers and 58" ultrawidescreens.
post #307 of 717
Where can I find good TV setting guide for this model?
post #308 of 717
I ordered my wall mount yesterday and am hoping that it comes on Monday from Monoprice.

Tonight we started putting our family room back together, we're in the middle of a major remodel, and my wife wanted to see roughly how big it would look mounted above the fireplace... so I taped it out. She about had a canary when she saw me taping it out from the kitchen. I could see the total panic in her eyes and the panic in her voice... now I'm thinking about returning it and getting a 60" like I had originally planned.

This picture is from the couch. It may go a bit higher as we're still trying to figure out where a mantle will go beneath it.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/606XzwHQCBUQXK77e-4OWZEQlwZ0bZpckK19nlxqYag?feat=directlink That fireplace is 81" wide...

What do you all think? Am I crazy for considering swapping this 65" out for a 60"?
Edited by Ra21V12eN - 11/24/12 at 9:51pm
post #309 of 717
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Originally Posted by adeelr26 View Post

Can anyone do me a favor and let me know what the dimensions of the box for this TV are? I'd like to pick it up today but I need to know if it will fit in my hatchback or if I'll need to rent something larger. Thanks in advance!

Unless you have a full size truck, you're not picking this up!!! Well, that is unless you want to break it getting it home.

Here is a picture of the box in the bed of my 2008 Toyota Tundra:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/E3vGtHZuxDZH308ByP7FtZEQlwZ0bZpckK19nlxqYag?feat=directlink

It would not fit side to side and rode home on an angle between the front corner of the bed and the wheel well. It is a huge box!
post #310 of 717
Here is my purchase story regarding this TV:

 

Saw that the TV was going to be $998 at Sams on BF. Searched Walmart.com for stock that was at a store near me. Found one that said in stock. Went to the store, there was no display at all, I had to ask them to check the back room for the specific model number. Well, they found it and I put it on layaway 1 week before BF. I knew from all the online/news articles saying that Walmart would price match ANY printed ad on BF that I would be able to get the tv for $998. I even double checked with customer service at the store I was getting it from. So come BF I went to pick it up and I told the clerk I wanted to price match it. He said “Well, you cant price match Sams, they are our sister store.” I told him it was all over the news, online, everywhere you guys will match a printed ad and I even called ahead, I also had Walmart’s policy on price matching on hand (my wife who coupons taught me well..). He continued to fight with me and said “Well, even if we do the price match you would have to cancel your layaway and rebuy it to allow us to enter in the manual price.” I said ok, then he told me “And by the way since we are cancelling the layaway we have to put the item on the floor, then you have to physically ask someone to get the item for you.” I was completely floored at what the clerk was saying. That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard in my life! All I said was Really? Get me a manager! As soon as I said the word “manager” all was well and he did what I originally asked him to do. How stupid, then he proceeded to say how sorry he was for the confusion in the beginning. There was no confusion, I stated what the policy was, what I wanted and he argued then fixed the issue himself. I will be calling Walmart Corporate Monday morning.

 

TV first impressions:

 

This TV is replacing a Sony KDS-60A3000 (nice TV, but had to replace the bulb about every 9 months and have done it 4 times so far at the price of $80 a bulb + my kids kept touching the screen). The jump from 60” to 65” isn’t really noticeable, the Sony was on a stand at a height of about 2ft, the Vizio is mounted on the wall at a height about 4ft. So going from a stand that stood out from the wall about 18in to a slim wall mount makes the screen seem similar in size.

 

Unboxing was fairly simple, the TV is actually packed very nicely. I was surprised that this version over the 60” version weighs so much more! I believe this one is 82 lbs and the 60” was like 54lbs? Being so awkard I had to have someone help me lift it on to the wall mount.

 

The instruction manual is pretty lacking..even my old Sony TV had specific descriptions for each picture setting, how to do different things, etc.

 

The time to power on the TV/Change Inputs is annoying but bearable. The Sony took about 45 seconds to power on and about 3 seconds for input change, the Vizio is 20 seconds to turn on and about 7 seconds to change inputs. Like I said it is bearable but I expect better being newer tech…

 

The Smart Apps/Menu Navigation is very clunky and slow, almost enough to frustrate you to not use them. I tried each one and found it significantly slower than just using the xbox or ps3 to watch videos from streaming services..at least my wife won’t have to worry about turning on my game system now..Hopefully a firmware update is coming. (Anyone know where to get one? Nothing on Vizio’s site….)

 

I have read a lot about people complaining that the TV’s speakers are too quiet, crap quality, etc…I have 3 kids that are constantly making noise in the background and these speakers get plenty loud, they are clear and are just as they are supposed to be, TV SPEAKERS. I hear these speakers are on the back? Mine are on the bottom as they are on my Samsung LCD in the bedroom.. It’s not a surround sound system built in…

 

Now, to the picture quality. For the price/size of this TV I am satisfied with the picture quality, is it the best out there? No. Is it the worst? No. It’s exactly what you pay for. Out of the box HD channels looked fine, regular tv channels looked like crap, game systems (wii u, ps3, xbox) look great. I haven’t had any issues with ghosting or streaking or blurring, etc. There wasn’t any input lag that I noticed on games either. I do notice the lighter spots on a black background (edge lit technology I’m assuming). I have noticed some pixelization and banding but it seems to vary depending on if I am using component inputs or hdmi as well as the device. Definitely the worst on my hd cable box through HDMI on regular TV channels. Around lettering and certain outlines of objects it seems to be a little pixely and jagged. This even happens occasionally on HD channels and my game system hooked up through component. I haven’t had a real chance to get it calibrated well and was looking to this forum for some help so I thought I would contribute my experiences.

 

Basically you get what you pay for, but to me getting this for $1000 (+ $89 3 year service plan) was/is worth it if you can live with a few inconsistencies. $300 off is huge to me. If you are constantly thinking/talking about whether or not you want to return this TV or if the picture quality isn’t good enough then just return it and spend $2000 on a nice Sony or Samsung if you have the cash. If anyone can recommend a calibration disc they used to set up this TV I would appreciate it. I will post pics of my set up tomorrow afternoon!
post #311 of 717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jle7385 View Post

 
The instruction manual is pretty lacking..even my old Sony TV had specific descriptions for each picture setting, how to do different things, etc. FYI: The full instruction guide is built into the TV ... go to settings and the owners manual is in digital form and can be viewed right on your 65" screen
 
The time to power on the TV/Change Inputs is annoying but bearable. The Sony took about 45 seconds to power on and about 3 seconds for input change, the Vizio is 20 seconds to turn on and about 7 seconds to change inputs. Like I said it is bearable but I expect better being newer tech… Ya my thoughts also but form what I have heard the "Smarter" (which is so stupid) TV's are now a days with all the built in apps and crap, this is the what slows the start time on these new tv's as opposed to our older sets that had none of this extra junk.
 

The Smart Apps/Menu Navigation is very clunky and slow, almost enough to frustrate you to not use them. I tried each one and found it significantly slower than just using the xbox or ps3 to watch videos from streaming services..at least my wife won’t have to worry about turning on my game system now..Hopefully a firmware update is coming. (Anyone know where to get one? Nothing on Vizio’s site….) Ya I hope they release something ... I have so many devices that have all these apps so it's no big deal but really they are a bit rough to navigate and are VERY slow.
 
I have read a lot about people complaining that the TV’s speakers are too quiet, crap quality, etc…I have 3 kids that are constantly making noise in the background and these speakers get plenty loud, they are clear and are just as they are supposed to be, TV SPEAKERS. I hear these speakers are on the back? Mine are on the bottom as they are on my Samsung LCD in the bedroom.. It’s not a surround sound system built in… Yes they are on the bottom of the TV but they face the back ... most speakers face forward or down but though they are on the bottom they straight back which Kills sound. Ya they get plenty loud but speakers facing away from you Never sound good.
 
post #312 of 717
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Originally Posted by Ra21V12eN View Post

I ordered my wall mount yesterday and am hoping that it comes on Monday from Monoprice.
Tonight we started putting our family room back together, we're in the middle of a major remodel, and my wife wanted to see roughly how big it would look mounted above the fireplace... so I taped it out. She about had a canary when she saw me taping it out from the kitchen. I could see the total panic in her eyes and the panic in her voice... now I'm thinking about returning it and getting a 60" like I had originally planned.
This picture is from the couch. It may go a bit higher as we're still trying to figure out where a mantle will go beneath it.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/606XzwHQCBUQXK77e-4OWZEQlwZ0bZpckK19nlxqYag?feat=directlink That fireplace is 81" wide...
What do you all think? Am I crazy for considering swapping this 65" out for a 60"?
It looks like it fits perfectly to me. Why would 5" smaller make a difference? A little bit more of the wall shows on each side, so what?
post #313 of 717
I'm surprised that so many people on an AV forum are actually using the tv's built in speakers confused.gif
post #314 of 717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ben Troxell View Post

I'm surprised that so many people on an AV forum are actually using the tv's built in speakers confused.gif

For just no nothing everyday TV programs I don't run the receiver and full surround sound.

Just turning a TV on and watching it is so much easier then messing with the stereo just to watch something I don't care about sound on.

Now if a great TV series comes on or I throw on a movie or something like that ... then the sound goes to 0 and the stereo goes on full blast!
post #315 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

For just no nothing everyday TV programs I don't run the receiver and full surround sound.
Just turning a TV on and watching it is so much easier then messing with the stereo just to watch something I don't care about sound on.
Now if a great TV series comes on or I throw on a movie or something like that ... then the sound goes to 0 and the stereo goes on full blast!
So much easier? It takes me one button press to turn the tv on and then one more to turn my receiver on. I don't think my TV speakers have ever been used since the first 5 minutes I got it.
post #316 of 717
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by squeakybirnbaum View Post

So much easier? It takes me one button press to turn the tv on and then one more to turn my receiver on. I don't think my TV speakers have ever been used since the first 5 minutes I got it.

To each is own I guess ... Try convincing my wife of this! LOL

And not just her ... it's just easier and not so load you know ... just normal sound from a normal show not all surround soundish when it's not needed.

I'll always go with TV speakers for just basic stuff over having my Denon running for nothing.
post #317 of 717
Just got this TV from SAMs on Black Friday.

I was 4th inline and two people in front of me were there for the TV and the guy directly behind me was there for it also. I was surprised how fast they went. SAMs only had 6.

Was watching some college football yesterday, trying to optimize settings. I noticed that on long passes thrown high in the air, the football would just about disappear!
So I turned the smooth motion up to high and that seemed to eliminate that problem.

I still am looking for some "optimal calibration settings", from someone who is an expert.

I thought I liked it when it was set to "vivid" but when I was watching a show that showed the ocean with the glaring sun, it washed out the image. ( instead of a blue ocean, it looked like a bright white mush)

I got it better on Custom, but I would love someone to post or a link to a site that has the best settings for this TV...
post #318 of 717
Below are some 'work in progress' settings I am using. Looks pretty good so far with my old man eyes.
TV is in a great room with lots of windows.

Input: HDMI
Mode: Custom
(backlight grayed out)
Brightness: 53
Contrast: 55
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 8
Color Temp: Normal (nothing else touched here)

Smooth motion: Off
Noise reduction: Low
MPEG: Low
Color Enhance: Normal
Adap Luma: off
Film mode: auto
Backlight Control: Off
Ambient light sensor: Medium

Like I said I am still tweaking things. Pic looks pretty good in day, really good at night.
I can still see my banding just a bit at certain times. Not sure if there is a difference between HDMI or Component on banding.

Let me know what you all think.
post #319 of 717
Looks like I got a lemon. None of the controls, remote or side, work after a few minutes. Vizio told it will be a week before someone comes to repair.
post #320 of 717
Is there a browser on this TV? Can't seem to find one, browsed through all the apps.

Also, is there a place to check for updates or latest firmware?
post #321 of 717
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Originally Posted by FrankAR15 View Post

Is there a browser on this TV? Can't seem to find one, browsed through all the apps.
Also, is there a place to check for updates or latest firmware?

I checked last week with Vizio support and they do not have a Browser as part of the VIA apps.


Thanks
Rick
post #322 of 717
Got to Sam's around 5AM and was about 22nd in line. Most were there for the cheap phone. I got the 6th and last ticket for the 65 incher. It is huge but the base is complete garbage. The TV is not level and completely wobbly. It leans to the left and I had to prop that side of the TV up just to make it level. Then day two of having it, the controls stopped working. Both remote and controls on the side. I turned it off and then back on to get them working again. I have not had that issue again, but it is not a great sign on day two. Back to Sam's to return it after the games today. I am very sorry this TV did not work out.

I had a beautiful 50" Samsung plasma for 4 years that still runs like a champ. I will be losing a huge amount of screen size but at least it is steady and will not lock up.
post #323 of 717
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Originally Posted by CajunSuperJeff View Post

Got to Sam's around 5AM and was about 22nd in line. Most were there for the cheap phone. I got the 6th and last ticket for the 65 incher. It is huge but the base is complete garbage. The TV is not level and completely wobbly. It leans to the left and I had to prop that side of the TV up just to make it level. Then day two of having it, the controls stopped working. Both remote and controls on the side. I turned it off and then back on to get them working again. I have not had that issue again, but it is not a great sign on day two. Back to Sam's to return it after the games today. I am very sorry this TV did not work out.
I had a beautiful 50" Samsung plasma for 4 years that still runs like a champ. I will be losing a huge amount of screen size but at least it is steady and will not lock up.

Sorry to hear about your issues ... guess a few out of thousands may have issues I guess.

For the price though you would be better off getting it exchanged when they get more in stock.

My first set had the banding issue (which they all seem to have and even my new has it too .. didn't know about this issue on lcd's at all before I replaced it) ... and it also leaned to the left as well. The new one I got was a lot sturdier then the first and it's completely level.

The remote and controls issue is you know just a fluke and surely the replacement will be fine .... you got it for a KILLER deal (heck I paid 1300 for mine) since you picked it up on BF ... your choice but it would be a stupid move to return and get your money on a 65" LED TV for $998 bucks ... Jus Sayin
post #324 of 717
There seems to be much talk about getting the set...
How about a few more "real world" reviews?smile.gif
Can anyone comment on off axis viewing angles?
Thanks
post #325 of 717
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

There seems to be much talk about getting the set...
How about a few more "real world" reviews?smile.gif
Can anyone comment on off axis viewing angles?
Thanks

It's fine under normal viewing angles. But extreme angles seem to change the color reproduction
post #326 of 717
Quote:
There seems to be much talk about getting the set...
How about a few more "real world" reviews?
Can anyone comment on off axis viewing angles?
Thanks

Not very impressed with the side viewing angle when I am walking into the room and see it from an angle. I may just be trying to find things wrong with the set to convince myself that no matter how inexpensive it was, that inespensive means it is cheap.

Also, my family and I had major issues with the "soap opera effect" viewing being produced by the 120hz. I was able to fix this by turning off the motion enhancement.
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For the price though you would be better off getting it exchanged when they get more in stock.

The remote and controls issue is you know just a fluke and surely the replacement will be fine .... you got it for a KILLER deal (heck I paid 1300 for mine) since you picked it up on BF ... your choice but it would be a stupid move to return and get your money on a 65" LED TV for $998 bucks ... Jus Sayin

Good point, I will see how the picture works out for the next few weeks before I make a final decision. Believe it or not, my wife is not happy with this BIG of a television and a return would be easy around the house.

I did have issues Friday night playing Halo 4, after I made the adjustments I will see if there is in game lag in a few mintues. I will let yall know how the gaming goes sometime soon.
Edited by CajunSuperJeff - 11/25/12 at 5:28pm
post #327 of 717
Thanks for posting these. I'm liking it so far!
post #328 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Below are some 'work in progress' settings I am using. Looks pretty good so far with my old man eyes.
TV is in a great room with lots of windows.
Input: HDMI
Mode: Custom
(backlight grayed out)
Brightness: 53
Contrast: 55
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 8
Color Temp: Normal (nothing else touched here)
Smooth motion: Off
Noise reduction: Low
MPEG: Low
Color Enhance: Normal
Adap Luma: off
Film mode: auto
Backlight Control: Off
Ambient light sensor: Medium
Like I said I am still tweaking things. Pic looks pretty good in day, really good at night.
I can still see my banding just a bit at certain times. Not sure if there is a difference between HDMI or Component on banding.
Let me know what you all think.

Thanks for posting these. I'm liking it so far!
post #329 of 717
We've had it set up for about 5 days with no trouble. Any leans could be some screws aren't tight enough from when you assembled it.

Watched Chicago fire on thursday and hubby liked the look. I think it was the soap opera effect some don't like. It looked like we were really there. Not sure if it was how it was filmed or the smooth motion which is now turned to low for football.

When we first set it up, it had a big cloud of lighter black in the center bottom. I thought it could be from pushing there when we attached the bottom. I had read someone suggested wiping down the screen as it could be from shipping etc....I rubbed the whole screen evenly with gentle pressure, but not too much. Now the screen is uniform black and no signs of lighter clouds.

I suggest if you have lighter areas to gently wipe across the screen. Perhaps it just got pushed in and the rubbing sort of releases it. Don't kow for sure, but mine looks good!

Speakers adequate for daily tv, but if you like big sound, hook it up to the stereo. I have audio out from cable box to receiver, so I can use stereo or tv speakers.

Here's hoping citibank price rewind finds a lower price for me. I don't think it will match SAMs club due to "limited quantities" printed in the ad.
post #330 of 717
I just spent a few hours playing Halo 4. There is a noticable game lag on this television. I do not know how this happens, but it is certainly something that happens with larger sets.
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Any leans could be some screws aren't tight enough from when you assembled it.

I put it together well with the proper screws in the right places. I do not think it is from loose screws.

The motion should be set on high for football games and sports and then turned to off for regular shows and movies if you do not like the Soap Opera Effect (SOE). I do not like it. It may seem like you are there, but that is not what I want. I want it to appear like it was meant to be by the producers. The SOE looks like it was filmed by some HS kids using their mom's Canon that has a video setting: Very good HD effect but not that great of a production value. If you like it, then keep the smooth motion effect on. I am just helping out the others that are not a big fan. It also reminds me of old BBC Doctor Who episodes from back in the day, not newly produced shows with the special effects.
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