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post #331 of 698
11/25/12 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by CajunSuperJeff View Post

I just spent a few hours playing Halo 4. There is a noticable game lag on this television. I do not know how this happens, but it is certainly something that happens with larger sets.
I put it together well with the proper screws in the right places. I do not think it is from loose screws.
The motion should be set on high for football games and sports and then turned to off for regular shows and movies if you do not like the Soap Opera Effect (SOE). I do not like it. It may seem like you are there, but that is not what I want. I want it to appear like it was meant to be by the producers. The SOE looks like it was filmed by some HS kids using their mom's Canon that has a video setting: Very good HD effect but not that great of a production value. If you like it, then keep the smooth motion effect on. I am just helping out the others that are not a big fan. It also reminds me of old BBC Doctor Who episodes from back in the day, not newly produced shows with the special effects.

Did you turn on "game mode" under settings? This makes a huge difference. I didn't get to do any gaming, but input lag wasn't very noticeable with my laptop hooked up.
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post #332 of 698
11/26/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by Ra21V12eN View Post

Unless you have a full size truck, you're not picking this up!!! Well, that is unless you want to break it getting it home.
Here is a picture of the box in the bed of my 2008 Toyota Tundra:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/E3vGtHZuxDZH308ByP7FtZEQlwZ0bZpckK19nlxqYag?feat=directlink
It would not fit side to side and rode home on an angle between the front corner of the bed and the wheel well. It is a huge box!


I picked up two in my 2011 Pilot on Black Friday (mine and my sister's). I also had 2 32" TVs already in the Pilot. I had the back seats down for the depth, but the width was no problem. I had a few inches to spare.
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post #333 of 698
11/26/12 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by dude472 View Post

I picked up two in my 2011 Pilot on Black Friday (mine and my sister's). I also had 2 32" TVs already in the Pilot. I had the back seats down for the depth, but the width was no problem. I had a few inches to spare.

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Originally Posted by CajunSuperJeff View Post

I just spent a few hours playing Halo 4. There is a noticable game lag on this television. I do not know how this happens, but it is certainly something that happens with larger sets.
I put it together well with the proper screws in the right places. I do not think it is from loose screws.
The motion should be set on high for football games and sports and then turned to off for regular shows and movies if you do not like the Soap Opera Effect (SOE). I do not like it. It may seem like you are there, but that is not what I want. I want it to appear like it was meant to be by the producers. The SOE looks like it was filmed by some HS kids using their mom's Canon that has a video setting: Very good HD effect but not that great of a production value. If you like it, then keep the smooth motion effect on. I am just helping out the others that are not a big fan. It also reminds me of old BBC Doctor Who episodes from back in the day, not newly produced shows with the special effects.


That's funny. I was trying to explain this to my wife. I told her it looks soap opera-ish, or like an older BBC show. Anyway, thanks for the tip - turning smooth motion off. I will try it when i get home tonight. I am looking forward to more settings to be posted.
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post #334 of 698
11/26/12 at 10:26am
I've never connected a webcam to a TV before. Is any webcam that you would use on a PC that has a USB cable supported by this TV or are there only specific cameras that are compatible?
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post #335 of 698
11/26/12 at 11:16am
Can anyone tell me what the dimensions of the stand are?
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post #336 of 698
11/26/12 at 2:19pm
Can anyone comment on the comparison between this 70 inch E-series Vizio and the 65 inch M-series Vizio for $995 (SamClub black friday price). I still have the opportunity to buy the 65 inch set at $995 (black friday order was cancelled) or to go with the 70 inch (Amazon no tax) for $500 more. I like the DLNA feature, 4th HDMI port, and additional screen size on the E70, but am still on the fence.
Edited by imonarock - 11/26/12 at 2:38pm
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post #337 of 698
11/26/12 at 2:33pm
I have the same opportunity, however they called me and I still haven't received an email on the instructions. Did they e-mail you the instructions?
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post #338 of 698
11/26/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by imonarock View Post

Can anyone comment on the comparison between this 70 inch E-series Vizio and the 65 inch M-series Vizio for $995 (SamClub black friday price). I still have the opportunity to buy the 65 inch set at $995 (black friday order was cancelled) or to go with the 70 inch (Amazon no tax) for $500 more. I like the DLNA feature, 4th HDMI port, and additional screen size, but am still on the fence.

I have the same opportunity, however they called me and I still haven't received an email on the instructions. Did they e-mail you the instructions?
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post #339 of 698
11/26/12 at 2:35pm
Sams sent the initial email, then followed up with a call over the weekend. Still waiting for the email with the secret instructions.
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post #340 of 698
11/26/12 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by adeelr26 View Post

I've never connected a webcam to a TV before. Is any webcam that you would use on a PC that has a USB cable supported by this TV or are there only specific cameras that are compatible?

If it uses the same stand as the M3D651SV then the stand is oval - 26" wide by 16" deep.

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post #341 of 698
11/26/12 at 4:46pm
I am noticing significant input lag while playing cod black ops 2. I set the TV to "Game" mode and turned OFF Smooth Motion, Noise Reduction, MPEG NR, Color Enhancement, Adaptive Luma, Film Mode, and Backlight Control. It appears some people have experience no lag where others are. Was hoping to get confirmation either way as I am afraid I might have a lemon or a setting wrong. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
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post #342 of 698
11/26/12 at 5:33pm
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I am noticing significant input lag while playing cod black ops 2. I set the TV to "Game" mode and turned OFF Smooth Motion, Noise Reduction, MPEG NR, Color Enhancement, Adaptive Luma, Film Mode, and Backlight Control. It appears some people have experience no lag where others are. Was hoping to get confirmation either way as I am afraid I might have a lemon or a setting wrong. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

That is what I am talking about with the lag. I had mine set to game mode as well and turnd off the motion, but there was still a lag.

If you do not play games, this is an AWESOME TV for sports, movies, Netflix, and everything else. However, I would not recommend it for gamers who play FPS games and rely on fast reaction times.
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post #343 of 698
11/26/12 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by imonarock View Post

Can anyone comment on the comparison between this 70 inch E-series Vizio and the 65 inch M-series Vizio for $995 (SamClub black friday price). I still have the opportunity to buy the 65 inch set at $995 (black friday order was cancelled) or to go with the 70 inch (Amazon no tax) for $500 more. I like the DLNA feature, 4th HDMI port, and additional screen size on the E70, but am still on the fence.



I asked this question a while back. I figure that Costco probably had them both set up to view at some point. The AVSers have probably been too busy with left over turkey to post...
Unless I remember wrong, one difference is that the 70 inch weighs less than the 65 inch.

BTW, Where do you see the 70 inch for $1495 on Amazon?
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post #344 of 698
11/26/12 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

I asked this question a while back. I figure that Costco probably had them both set up to view at some point. The AVSers have probably been too busy with left over turkey to post...
Unless I remember wrong, one difference is that the 70 inch weighs less than the 65 inch.
BTW, Where do you see the 70 inch for $1495 on Amazon?

Ok my math might have been a bit off. I was assuming a $500 difference since Sams charges me tax and Amazon doesn't. The difference would be closer to $600.

I called Vizio and the sales rep told me the E series was the "economical or affordable series", his wording made me think the M series was built somewhat better. He did point out things like the M-series housed 15 watt speakers vs. the E series 10 watt versions. I'm still confused..
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post #345 of 698
11/26/12 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by CajunSuperJeff View Post

That is what I am talking about with the lag. I had mine set to game mode as well and turnd off the motion, but there was still a lag.
If you do not play games, this is an AWESOME TV for sports, movies, Netflix, and everything else. However, I would not recommend it for gamers who play FPS games and rely on fast reaction times.

Can you or anyone on here recommend a 65'' HDTV that works great with FPS?
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post #346 of 698
11/26/12 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

I asked this question a while back. I figure that Costco probably had them both set up to view at some point. The AVSers have probably been too busy with left over turkey to post...
Unless I remember wrong, one difference is that the 70 inch weighs less than the 65 inch.
BTW, Where do you see the 70 inch for $1495 on Amazon?

I have the M3D651SV (this isn't the same as the $995 M650SVE, thought it's probably close. The the 651SV has the 240 effective refresh rate and "smart dimming" (which I think is local dimming by zones) and 3D. Neither the M650SVE nor the M3D651SV support DLNA. I'm not really a videophile, but so far I'm pretty happy with the 651. I think the 651 is on sale at the Vizio site for 1499. But you might want to see if any of the experts will chime in.

Rick
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post #347 of 698
11/26/12 at 8:11pm
How in the world did you guys un-box this thing? eek.gif I'm just trying to get into the box to start looking at things... so I can figure out the wall mount first and then start the process of getting the brackets on.

This is definitely a 2 person job!
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post #348 of 698
11/26/12 at 8:12pm
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Can you or anyone on here recommend a 65'' HDTV that works great with FPS?

MY BAD!!!! I was wrong about the FPS not working well on this. Yes, I am an idiot. I had it on "game" on the video settings, which only effected the screen color. I found the game mode in settings and turned it on. Then I put Halo 4 on and OWNED. 65" of pure DMR firing and having a great time.

So, I take back what I said earlier about it not being good for gamers. I was ready to unplug this thing and return it. Now it will be a main stay in my living room.

I hope this helps.
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post #349 of 698
11/26/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by imonarock View Post

Ok my math might have been a bit off. I was assuming a $500 difference since Sams charges me tax and Amazon doesn't. The difference would be closer to $600.
I called Vizio and the sales rep told me the E series was the "economical or affordable series", his wording made me think the M series was built somewhat better. He did point out things like the M-series housed 15 watt speakers vs. the E series 10 watt versions. I'm still confused..

The price on Amazon is $2269. Walmart has the 70 inch for $1698. That's the best I can find (at the moment)...
Price aside, is there any significant differences in picture quality?
Are there any more BF buyers out there who can share their experience with the 65 inch?
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post #350 of 698
11/26/12 at 8:20pm
EDIT: CajunSuperJeff posted that there is a separate game mode while I was typing the below - THANKS!!! Now I am much much more excited about this set. END EDIT.

I don't have my TV yet but I'm very concerned about the input lag; my use for this TV is about 100% console gaming. For people with input lag issues: I found a thread on AVS about the E601i-A3 where user WaterBottle posted this about that set:

"Response Time: I am also happy to report that the response time is acceptable for gaming. However (like everything else with the unit) it is horrible out of the box. I need this monitor to perform well for gaming, and I was initially very worried that I would have to take it back. I started with Black Ops on PS3 and loaded a multiplayer match to see if the response time was ok. It was not, to say the least - easily the worst I've personally experienced compared to the two prior LCDs I've owned. So I went into the picture settings and chose "Game" from the listed Picture Modes and turned off every extra setting that might be taking up processing power. Did not help. I booted the PC and loaded Skyrim out of Steam Big Picture and still had bad lag. Then I realized that I needed to go into "Settings" and turn "Game Mode" on. All is well. Skyrim (pc) and Black Ops (ps3) perform fine."

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432940/vizio-60-inch-e601i-a3#post_22511843

The owners manual for the E601i-A3 and the M650VSE are both online at vizio.com and don't show a separate "Game Mode" in the Settings menu; the manual only lists a "Game" picture mode under the Picture menu for both tvs. Based on the above post, though, the 60" has a "game mode" that is in addition to the "game" picture setting. To confuse matters further, I wonder what version of the tv firmware everyone is running, and if the "settings" game mode is a late add-on?

Since I don't have my set yet, can an owner search through the Settings menu and see if the 65" has this option?

I scored one of the 65" tvs on the online Sam's Club Black Friday sale, and mine will arrive Friday, so I will let everyone know my experiences after I have time to set it up. I had not even seen the 65" in person before ordering it, but I saw the M650VSE at Wal-Mart this weekend and HATED the picture. To be fair, it was in store mode, but it was extremely soft and without detail, and the colors were very "meh." Hopefully I can self-calibrate up to a level I can deal with; I know the in-store setup, especially at Wal-Mart where the tvs get no individual attention, is typically awful. (Believe it or not, I also got the 60" from Wal-Mart's Black Friday sale - it arrives tomorrow - AND I have a 70" E-series on order from Amazon, lol, so I will have some options in case the 65" doesn't work out.)
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post #351 of 698
11/26/12 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

The price on Amazon is $2269. Walmart has the 70 inch for $1698. That's the best I can find (at the moment)...
Price aside, is there any significant differences in picture quality?
Are there any more BF buyers out there who can share their experience with the 65 inch?

Yep, it looks like Amazon took it off their site. It was $1699 pre-order, but now you only see 3rd party sellers at $2269.
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post #352 of 698
11/26/12 at 9:28pm
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I had not even seen the 65" in person before ordering it

Niether had I, but I went out on BF in the cold to get one just the same. It is nice and I am glad I was able to tell you about the "proper" game mode.

What I am still hoping for is someone to post any good custom settings they have found. I am not the best with manipulating all of that. My older plasma had a gorgeous picture that I became use to and I find this one has tints of green a lot of the time. I am continually messing with it to try and make it look better. But I am only doing it on the presets and not the custom.

Thanks.
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post #353 of 698
11/26/12 at 11:25pm
I bought the M650VSE at Costco about 2 weeks ago. I bought it in time to watch the inaugural Formula 1 race in Austin, TX.
It barely fit through the 2006 Odyssey rear lift door on a slight angle to fit between the middle row seats. After setup we streamed an HD movie over Netflix in 'movie' picture mode. I felt some panic and buyer's remorse from unreal picture quality. After researching I learned about the Soap Opera Effect and turned off the Smooth Motion Effect which brings back a nice quality 'movie' mode. I watched the F1 quali and race and it looked fantastic across 65 inches with the Smooth Motion Effect on.

Unfortunately it takes an inordinate number of clicks to switch Smooth Motion Effect on/off.
Here's the process:
Menu->Picture->Picture Mode->7 down clicks->More->Size & Position->2 more down clicks->Advanced Picture->Smooth Motion Effect
A grand total of 16 clicks + 1 more to change it.
It wouldn't be so bad if each of the Picture Modes stored the Smooth Motion Effect along with the other picture settings, but Smooth Motion Effect is a single setting for the TV. So after switching modes, you're forced to go through the 17 click process again and again.
VIZIO REALLY needs to fix this with a system update, assuming it's not a bad hardware design and implementation.

The picture quality is really stunning with slow moving content and pretty good with high speed action.
I had started to notice what I initially thought was a round fuzzy highlight, like a reflection, in the lower middle right section of the panel.Then noticed a similar flaw around the lower middle left section of the panel.
I demo'd 'Thor' streamed from Netflix to a friend and the opening dark intro scenes really brought out these faded areas where light is bleeding through.
Slicing the screen vertically, the center third is a nice black but the outer thirds are faded with a couple of uneven bleached spots. I've played with the Backlight, Brightness and Contrast and cannot get rid of this.

Over the weekend I saw the E701i-A3 at Costco with price reduction at least through Cyber Monday. Also, the CNet review of the E601i-A3 now mentions that Vizio says the 70" has a superior picture to the 60" so CNet is reserving an opinion until they can get a hold of the 70". http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/vizio-e701i-a3/4505-6482_7-35477664.html

So after 2 weeks I loved watching that last two Formula 1 races on the large screen, but I'm somewhat disappointed. I have yet to connect up the PS3 and play a blu-ray.
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post #354 of 698
11/27/12 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by mec360 View Post

EDIT: CajunSuperJeff posted that there is a separate game mode while I was typing the below - THANKS!!! Now I am much much more excited about this set. END EDIT.
I don't have my TV yet but I'm very concerned about the input lag; my use for this TV is about 100% console gaming. For people with input lag issues: I found a thread on AVS about the E601i-A3 where user WaterBottle posted this about that set:
"Response Time: I am also happy to report that the response time is acceptable for gaming. However (like everything else with the unit) it is horrible out of the box. I need this monitor to perform well for gaming, and I was initially very worried that I would have to take it back. I started with Black Ops on PS3 and loaded a multiplayer match to see if the response time was ok. It was not, to say the least - easily the worst I've personally experienced compared to the two prior LCDs I've owned. So I went into the picture settings and chose "Game" from the listed Picture Modes and turned off every extra setting that might be taking up processing power. Did not help. I booted the PC and loaded Skyrim out of Steam Big Picture and still had bad lag. Then I realized that I needed to go into "Settings" and turn "Game Mode" on. All is well. Skyrim (pc) and Black Ops (ps3) perform fine."
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1432940/vizio-60-inch-e601i-a3#post_22511843
The owners manual for the E601i-A3 and the M650VSE are both online at vizio.com and don't show a separate "Game Mode" in the Settings menu; the manual only lists a "Game" picture mode under the Picture menu for both tvs. Based on the above post, though, the 60" has a "game mode" that is in addition to the "game" picture setting. To confuse matters further, I wonder what version of the tv firmware everyone is running, and if the "settings" game mode is a late add-on?
Since I don't have my set yet, can an owner search through the Settings menu and see if the 65" has this option?
I scored one of the 65" tvs on the online Sam's Club Black Friday sale, and mine will arrive Friday, so I will let everyone know my experiences after I have time to set it up. I had not even seen the 65" in person before ordering it, but I saw the M650VSE at Wal-Mart this weekend and HATED the picture. To be fair, it was in store mode, but it was extremely soft and without detail, and the colors were very "meh." Hopefully I can self-calibrate up to a level I can deal with; I know the in-store setup, especially at Wal-Mart where the tvs get no individual attention, is typically awful. (Believe it or not, I also got the 60" from Wal-Mart's Black Friday sale - it arrives tomorrow - AND I have a 70" E-series on order from Amazon, lol, so I will have some options in case the 65" doesn't work out.)
If you read an entire 2 posts up you would see that this tv has "Game" under settings. There are 3 posts indicating that it does on this page lol.
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post #355 of 698
11/27/12 at 1:04am
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Ya I like this TV so far for the most part but the banding is just a bit much for me I think ... I hate how I lock onto things and can never let them go.

Gonna be keeping my eye out for this E-Series 70" Vizio and see how it looks ... really looking forward to some reviews on that as well.
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post #356 of 698
11/27/12 at 4:41am
I took delivery of this set last night. This is an upgrade from a 4 year old Sony 46KDL-W4100. We moved earlier this year and our new home has a large family room where this set will be placed.

Here are my first impressions after using the set for a few hours:

Stand - We will be hanging this set on the wall later this week but I wanted to use the stand for a few days to make sure everything works. I'm not sure who designed this stand but they need to find another line of work. It is only attached with 4 small screws and a thin sheet metal notch. I was almost afraid to put the weight on the stand. It wobbles and is not stable at all.

Weight - This TV is heavy. I suggest having two people for unboxing and installing. I'm not sure why this set is so heavy compared to similar sets.

Size - WOW. This is a big set compared to my 46". It took me about 10 minutes to get used to it. I have a large room so I think it will work but it looks much bigger at home vs. the store.

Thickness - This set has a very thin profile. I didn't measure the thickness but it is nice an thin. The bottom area around the speakers is thicker but not by much.

Sound - Sound is OK but not great. I turned surround option off and I thought it sounded much better. We may get a sound bar setup for this set but I'll probably live with it for a few weeks.

VIA (apps) - I didn't play around with the apps too much. WIFI was setup easily even with my SSID not broadcasted and WPA2 encryption. The youtube video app is awful. I searched for a few popular videos and it did not find any. It is almost worthless. No browser is included...Vizio needs to get with 2012 and make a deal with a browser company.

Settings/remote - The settings are easy to manipulate but it can take several clicks to get to some of the settings. The keyboard on the back of the remote is decent although I had to turn it slightly to get the IR emitter to work when typing. I have a harmony one that I will be setting up.

Picture Quality - Out of the box the picture was OK. It seems like the preset settings were warmer than my taste. The colors look a little washed out. I will be doing some self calibration in the next week. The set had minimal light bleed and it was pretty uniform across the screen. I didn't notice any major bleed in the corners. I didn't notice any banding either.

Overall I like this TV. I think with a few tweaks the PQ will be great. My family watches mostly general TV programming, a few sports and a few movies each month. We do not do any gaming.
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post #357 of 698
11/27/12 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by TAP GA View Post

I took delivery of this set last night. This is an upgrade from a 4 year old Sony 46KDL-W4100. We moved earlier this year and our new home has a large family room where this set will be placed.
Here are my first impressions after using the set for a few hours:
Stand - We will be hanging this set on the wall later this week but I wanted to use the stand for a few days to make sure everything works. I'm not sure who designed this stand but they need to find another line of work. It is only attached with 4 small screws and a thin sheet metal notch. I was almost afraid to put the weight on the stand. It wobbles and is not stable at all.
Weight - This TV is heavy. I suggest having two people for unboxing and installing. I'm not sure why this set is so heavy compared to similar sets.
Size - WOW. This is a big set compared to my 46". It took me about 10 minutes to get used to it. I have a large room so I think it will work but it looks much bigger at home vs. the store.
Thickness - This set has a very thin profile. I didn't measure the thickness but it is nice an thin. The bottom area around the speakers is thicker but not by much.
Sound - Sound is OK but not great. I turned surround option off and I thought it sounded much better. We may get a sound bar setup for this set but I'll probably live with it for a few weeks.
VIA (apps) - I didn't play around with the apps too much. WIFI was setup easily even with my SSID not broadcasted and WPA2 encryption. The youtube video app is awful. I searched for a few popular videos and it did not find any. It is almost worthless. No browser is included...Vizio needs to get with 2012 and make a deal with a browser company.
Settings/remote - The settings are easy to manipulate but it can take several clicks to get to some of the settings. The keyboard on the back of the remote is decent although I had to turn it slightly to get the IR emitter to work when typing. I have a harmony one that I will be setting up.
Picture Quality - Out of the box the picture was OK. It seems like the preset settings were warmer than my taste. The colors look a little washed out. I will be doing some self calibration in the next week. The set had minimal light bleed and it was pretty uniform across the screen. I didn't notice any major bleed in the corners. I didn't notice any banding either.
Overall I like this TV. I think with a few tweaks the PQ will be great. My family watches mostly general TV programming, a few sports and a few movies each month. We do not do any gaming.

Thanks for the nice review. Please keep them coming...smile.gif
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post #358 of 698
11/27/12 at 11:02am
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If you read an entire 2 posts up you would see that this tv has "Game" under settings. There are 3 posts indicating that it does on this page lol.

Definitely changed to "Game" mode under settings and still experiencing slight input delay on bo2 for xbox360. Any additional suggestions to correct or is it time to return to store and get different TV? Vizio customer service was nit helpful and said that this is an issue for all 120hrz TVs because the xbox is 60hrz. Also checked my xbox settings and confirmed it is set on 1080P. Thanks again for the assistance!!!
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post #359 of 698
11/27/12 at 11:22am
My Costco has been out of stock for a week, but have received 6 more, so I'll be picking up another one to see if the light bleed problem is specific to my unit.

Updates to follow!
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post #360 of 698
11/27/12 at 11:25am
Just got done doing a basic calibration. It looks much better than it did before. I don't have any calibration equipment to really dial in the RGB Gains/Offsets but this should at least get you close for the other settings:

Backlight - 40
Brightness - 50
Contrast - 56
Color - 68
Tint - 0
Sharpness - 6
Horizontal Position - 32
Vertical Position - 16
Horizontal Size - 0
Vertical Size - 0
Color Temperature - Custom
All RGB Gains/Offsets - 50
Smooth Motion Effect - Off
Noise Reduction - Low
MPEG NR - Low
Color Enhancement - Off
Adaptive Luma - Off
Film Mode - Auto
Backlight Control - Off
Ambient Light Sensor - Off

*Note - I calibrated first with the "Color Enhancement" setting on Normal and then calibrated again with it off. I like the end results better with it off - colors seem a bit better.
Edited by myapplebuddy - 11/27/12 at 5:27pm
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