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post #391 of 717
Also received the magic email from Sams Club and given the Dec. 10 delivery date...we'll see. However, $998 is a great price for this TV and worth the hassle...if it actually arrives.;-)
post #392 of 717
Ordered mine Wed night before BF. Got shipping confirmation on Thu. Shipped from TX arrived in VA area on Tue. Set up appointment for delivery today Thu. Arrived. We put it together, plugged it in and the picture is great. Well worth the $998 as far as we are concerned (watching FIOS and DVD's). Need to do some playing with the setting once I get the TV in it's final resting place (need to build a shelf).
post #393 of 717
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Originally Posted by Nerfbars View Post

Has anyone had a problem with the remote having horrible range? I put new name brand batteries in it and I still have to point it directly at the TV and it doesnt work well sideways when I try to use the QWERTY keyboard. Trying to point the end of the remote and type kinda sucks.

URC Universal Remote makes this issue so much better ... it's the remote that I found to be the issue.
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Originally Posted by spartanteacher View Post

I've seen lots of people complaining about the sturdiness (or lack thereof) of the factory-shipped base/stand for this TV. We intend to put ours on an entertainment console (already own it) rather than hanging it on the wall. So, are there any suggestions about how to improve the flimsy base?

It's not that horrible really .... ya many TV's out there have a more sturdy base but once this is set up it's Plenty sturdy. Ya it does wiggle a bit if you move it etc. etc. but who touches there tv ever! It has a solid steel plate connected to the solid steel base and has a groove and hinge to slide into the tv and is connected via 4 screws (FYI ... when sliding the steel base into the plastic base cover make sure you slide it into the grooves on the plastic base Then screw in the I think it was 7 small screws ... if you just lay it on the base and not slide it in the grooves like the instructions say you will see 2 ugly pieces of steel that stick out on the bottom and that can be seen from the front ... I did this and had to disassemble and do it over again).

This base is plenty study just not as sturdy as others ... but as long as you aren't knocking around your new TV set this will never be an issue.
Edited by falconman515 - 11/29/12 at 2:19pm
post #394 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

URC Universal Remote makes this issue so much better ... it's the remote that I found to be the issue.
It's not that horrible really .... ya many TV's out there have a more sturdy base but once this is set up it's Plenty sturdy. Ya it does wiggle a bit if you move it etc. etc. but who touches there tv ever! It has a solid steel plate connected to the solid steel base and has a groove and hinge to slide into the tv and is connected via 4 screws (FYI ... when sliding the steel base into the plastic base cover make sure you slide it into the grooves on the plastic base Then screw in the I think it was 7 small screws ... if you just lay it on the base and not slide it in the grooves like the instructions say you will see 2 ugly pieces of steel that stick out on the bottom and that can be seen from the front ... I did this and had to disassemble and do it over again).
This base is plenty study just not as sturdy as others ... but as long as you aren't knocking around your new TV set this will never be an issue.



Agreed - I didn't have any problems with the base's stability. Like stated, it will woblle just a little if you are bumping or moving it, but I 0 concern that it is going to fall over or something similarly disasterous.
post #395 of 717
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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

I just received my Samsclub.com online order of this set yesterday. For the money, it certainly seemed quite the deal! I am replacing a M550NV in the family room because this set will perfectly fill the opening and I just couldn't pass it up.
Current setup - all run through the Denon for HDMI control and connection to TV
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Is ANYONE successfully using CEC and if so, what are your experiences, setups, ....?

I am having very similar issues - I have a Pioneer VSX-1020 and it was changing my input on the receiver to TV/SAT. I ended up turning it off for now, but would like to get it to work again because it adds on screen display for the volume.
I am having an issue now where the signal goes blank a second and then it comes back on, but it is almost like it turned the receiver off and back on, because the volume reverts back to the default level when you first turn on the receiver.

Its hard for me to troubleshoot as all equipment is in the basement and the TV is on the first floor. I was just dealing with it for now as I hadn't had a lot of time to dedicate to figuring out the actual problem.

Have you had any luck? It does sound like they need to issue a firmware update. Maybe the update would also increase remote response rate. I had thought about changing my DirecTV to TV/SAT setting. I think that right now it is just HDMI 2 and its been awhile since I configured everything and I don't remember if I can move the HDMI inputs around (should be able to, just can't remember 100%).
post #396 of 717
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Originally Posted by Dale Polk View Post

So, I've had this TV for 2.5 weeks now. i love everything about it, except that I can't get my Harmony 880 to work with it properly. Since the TV takes a long time to start(load), it doesn't recognize my receiver, a Sony ES5300. So, therefore I have to turn the receiver off and then on again, or turn on each unit one at at time with the receiver being last to start. I've tried to charge the start times of the components among other things and have not been successful. I always thought my Harmony remotes were some of my favorite toys.. Any advise will be greatly appreciated
Can you set it so that it turns on your tv, then has a delay?

Rick
post #397 of 717
Seems most calibration settings folks are posting here are eyeball ones (i.e. not using calibration discs). So was hoping to see if can get some contributions to this thread going on more detailed calibrations and their results and methods.

Has anyone had a professional calibration done on this set, if so can you post your results and opinions on PQ?

Anyone else do a calibration using a calibration disc and possible blue filter calibration as well. If so please post settings and results and which calibration disc you used?

I ordered the Spears and Munsil disc and am also going to try the free AVSHD 709 one. Thinking about ordering the THX blue glasses for the tint calibration as well.
Will post my results here when done.

So far I can't get the colors even close to my Sony RP KDSA3000 60 incher that has awesome PQ. But I have not really tried since not done any calibration method. The Sony RP set I have is based on a professional reviewers settings, but so far I have not seen any professional reviews yet on the M650VSE that post their settings. Wish C-net would review this.
post #398 of 717
I used the AVSHD 709 patterns with a blue filter and ended up with this:
Picture mode - Standard
Brightness - 50
Contrast - 56
Color - 68 (seems high but if you turn off the color enhancement setting it's "correct" using a blue filter)
Tint - 0
Sharpness - 6
Horiz position - 32
Vertical position - 16
Horizontal size - 0
Vertical size - 0
Color temperature - Custom
For all the gains and offsets I have them at 50 except for green gain and offset which I turned down to 45. There was a green caste over the whole image and this was an "eyeball" method to help eliminate it. I don't have any professional measuring device so the gains and offset section was just trial and error.
Smooth motion effect - off
Noise reduction - low
MPEG NR - low
Color Enhancement - off
Adaptive luma - off
Film mode - auto
Backlight control - off
Ambient light sensor - off

At the end of the day I am reasonably happy with these settings, but the colors are still lacking for me. I think the set simply may not be capable of anything more than average colors. I am very picky when it comes to color balance. I can live with less than ideal contrast ratio and input lag isn't a big deal to me since I'm not a gamer, but the colors have to be great. Unfortunately I have decided to return this TV to Costco and get a Sony 55HX850. It is a lot more money and a smaller screen but at the end of the day I keep getting frustrated at the color reproduction of the M650VSE which makes it pointless to own. For the 1300 I paid I think it's a solid value and I'm guessing most people would probably be just fine with the colors.
post #399 of 717
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

I have the M3D651SV. I only have one component that has CEC, I tried it out just to see what it would do and didn't note any issues, I don't recall having the delays you describe. But since this is the first TV I've had that has CEC, I'm not sure that I would recognize any issues.
Rick

Ya, as I noted, I have two other Vizios that work as expected with my setup. It's just this particular model. Tech support wasn't much help.
post #400 of 717
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Originally Posted by k_rock View Post

I am having very similar issues - I have a Pioneer VSX-1020 and it was changing my input on the receiver to TV/SAT. I ended up turning it off for now, but would like to get it to work again because it adds on screen display for the volume.
I am having an issue now where the signal goes blank a second and then it comes back on, but it is almost like it turned the receiver off and back on, because the volume reverts back to the default level when you first turn on the receiver.
Its hard for me to troubleshoot as all equipment is in the basement and the TV is on the first floor. I was just dealing with it for now as I hadn't had a lot of time to dedicate to figuring out the actual problem.
Have you had any luck? It does sound like they need to issue a firmware update. Maybe the update would also increase remote response rate. I had thought about changing my DirecTV to TV/SAT setting. I think that right now it is just HDMI 2 and its been awhile since I configured everything and I don't remember if I can move the HDMI inputs around (should be able to, just can't remember 100%).

Vizio wants to do a swap out even though I explained the reasons I have for firmware issues. If they'll send me a new, not refurb, I'll do it and then decide on returning it if no update comes before my time expires.
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Anyone know if you can connect a external hard drive to the USB port to view vids and pics?
post #402 of 717
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Originally Posted by myapplebuddy View Post

I used the AVSHD 709 patterns with a blue filter and ended up with this:

At the end of the day I am reasonably happy with these settings, but the colors are still lacking for me. I think the set simply may not be capable of anything more than average colors. I am very picky when it comes to color balance. I can live with less than ideal contrast ratio and input lag isn't a big deal to me since I'm not a gamer, but the colors have to be great. Unfortunately I have decided to return this TV to Costco and get a Sony 55HX850. It is a lot more money and a smaller screen but at the end of the day I keep getting frustrated at the color reproduction of the M650VSE which makes it pointless to own. For the 1300 I paid I think it's a solid value and I'm guessing most people would probably be just fine with the colors.

Thanks for those settings, I will see what I come up with since I will be using the same disc this weekend. Although I don't have a blue filter and it seems ordering one from THX store takes almost 2 weeks, but not sure of any other options to obtain a blue filter short of ordering the Disney WOW or DVE disc.

The colors on my Sony KDSA3000 are just excellent and so very happy with this set. But, they have a manufacturing defect with optical block that Sony knew about and its likely on borrowed time. I used to swear by Sony and I am sure many others did as well, but I am not happy how they screwed customers with defective products. And considering how they lost the #1 spot, I am not the only one feeling this way. So likely never buying Sony again. I am going to try an see if I can get this TV to match the color reporduction on my Sony, but like you if its off by alot then the set is going back. Now I may try the Vizio E601i-A3 60" since c-net gave it very good ratings for color reproduction. Unfortunately no one has reviewed this M650VSE so its unknown its PQ and color reproduction capabilities.

From c-net review:
"Color accuracy: The E601i-A3's main picture quality strength is its accurate color in all but the darkest areas."
post #403 of 717
Just got my black friday (wednesday) purchase from Sams Club. It's replacing the 55" version of this TV which I just returned to Costco. I will use it mostly for gaming, so I tried Black Ops II and a couple of other games. Other than having to adjust to the new screen size, there is no discernible difference from the 55" model. I could not detect any input lag at all once I turned on Game mode (not just Game picture setting, but the mode). Built-in wifi and internet apps are slow and clunky. My 360 has full wifi signal but the TV says it only has 1 bar. Since I have the 360 hooked up I'll just use that for Hulu/Netflix/Amazon.

Only issue I've noticed is that the audio from the TV is not synced with the audio from my speakers/stereo. Maybe an issue with the way I've got my stereo hooked up to the 360. For now I've just been muting the TV.

Anyway, so far so good... definitely feeling better with the 65" TV over the 55" for the same price. Will start messing with picture settings this weekend.
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Is it possible to sideload apps on this TV?
post #405 of 717
I have the hdmi from DVD box to tv and the red/white cables to my receiver. No lip sync issues.

I noticed there is no hdmi dedicated to connect computer. Can I use hdmi or do I have to use the blue port and an audio cable? My other tv has one labeled pc. Obviously I don't know much about this stuff!
post #406 of 717
Thread Starter 
Ok so getting into advanced options in picture mode is WAY to many steps when I watch some sports and want to go in and turn on smooth motion and visa versa.

Has anyone noticed the * Star in the bottom left corner of the menu when its pulled up? I know damn well this is a "Favorites" menu but it's just grey .... Why is there no way to set certain settings to favorites and go into to that quick link to access them???

I am SO hoping this comes in a firmware update for this horrible menu.
post #407 of 717
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Originally Posted by Dale Polk View Post

How do you set the Motorola DVR to output native video? Thanks.
turn your box off, press menu on the remote, a on screen menu will pop up and you can change the video format to 1080i, 720p,native,etc.
post #408 of 717
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I've seen lots of people complaining about the sturdiness (or lack thereof) of the factory-shipped base/stand for this TV. We intend to put ours on an entertainment console (already own it) rather than hanging it on the wall. So, are there any suggestions about how to improve the flimsy base?

The base is a combination of garbage and terrible. Mine has a distinct lean to the left and is completely unlevel. However it is not wobbling and sits firmly leaning to the left. I placed a $5 alarm clock under the far left corner to prop it up and make it level But should a $1K TV have to be proped up with cheap alarm clock to make it level???

Like I said before, the picture quality is not as great as my Plasma. I am still in the adjustment phase determining if I want to keep it or return it. There was a green hue/tint to almost everything on one HDMI input (my satelite) but not for my Xbox HDMI. I do not know if it was the HDMI cable or the input. I switched the satelite to a Component cable setup and the picture is a lot better. After doing some reading and research, it turns out there is not suppose to be much difference in the video quality between HDMI and component video for satelite systems that are pushing at 1080i.

However, because the TV is so big you can see every detail that is wrong in a video on an HD channel from an older movie from the 90s or earlier. This has nothing to do with the TV, only the crap signal from Dish. Also, if Netflix is not at 100% for an HD show or movie, there is a lot of graininess. Not very impressed with this.

Am I going to return it? I am still evaluating it for a while and I have 90 days to return it. So, we will see.

I hope this helped.
post #409 of 717
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Originally Posted by jeffster View Post

FWIW, I picked one up online at 10PMCT last night.
Delivery some time in the next week.
$998 plus $78 for 3 year "protection plan" from Sam's Club, so we'll see how it works out. It's replacing a 50" Panny Plasma, so I'm hopeful it won't feel like a step down in PQ.
EDIT: Spoke too soon.. mine got cancelled too, and I ordered it at 10:02! eek.gif

I was thinking of purchasing the square trade extended warranty thru Costo instead of the protection plan Sams Club offers. Being that that the purchase price of that I paid for this tv was $998 it would qualify or the $59.99 three year extention thru square trade. Has anyone done this or looked into it? This is what i read off of the costco website. I have 60days to do so if I decide to do so.
What are the pros and cons. I have way more trust in Costco than I do Sams club. I only bought the tv thru Sams because of the deal. Sams offers a 1 year manufacture warranty so assuming this extends three more years to a total of 4 years for only $59.99 this would be a great deal I think.

Costco's SquareTrade pricing is exclusive to Costco Members. You must purchase a SquareTrade Service Plan from a Costco Warehouse or from www.costco.com. Costco members may also purchase a SquareTrade Service plan to cover a new TV purchased outside of Costco from an authorized retailer in the US. Service Plan must be bought within 60 days of purchasing the TV. *Excludes limited life consumables such as batteries and lamps.
post #410 of 717
Got a call from the shipping company today. My Sams Club purchase will be here Monday. I seriously thought about taking off work to be here and set it up but I guess it can wait until I get home! biggrin.gif
post #411 of 717
Losen all the screws at the top of the base. place a long level on top of the TV. Level it, then retighten the screws.
post #412 of 717
Does anyone have an opinion. Should I use my old Denon 5.1 surround sound system with good speakers or get a new sound bar.

Is there a lip sync problem using a receiver without a digital audio input?

Which one will have better sound?
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The delivery guy refused to use the alley-side door to my building, barely grunting when I told him he could avoid blocking the street and I could avoid steps if he pulled the truck around. You might want to put special instructions to the carrier if you are using Threshold Delivery, but the guy didn't get a tip.

My 29-year-old and I had a similar struggle with the base, which seems under-engineered for the panel. We wound up with a variation on Dale Polk's direction above, letting the panel "rest" on its hook on the base and carefully tighting the screws like you would the lugs on a wheel. This loft has concrete floors, but I'd be really worried if I had this panel in a unit with soft floors and/or little kids running around. A wall mount would be a safety item.

It would be good to be careful about a stand, too. The IKEA Besta stand 802.184.58 is rated high enough both to hold the panel and have bays big enough for my Inifinity SM-series center chanel and my old-school Technics audio system. You can choose legs or casters for stand and having casters was handy for the set-up.

Since the cable modem and the router live in the same cabinet, the panel is connected to the router by ethernet cable.

As for audio, there is an HTPC for Blu-Ray and other streaming with video sent to HDMI 1 and the audio sent to the line ("through") on the Technics SH-AC500D processor and directly to the 6-channel input on the Technics SA-AX720 reciever. This gives the HTPC direct access to the Technics Class H+ amps and lets the HTPC do the processing (although the processor has DTS and Dolby Digital ability). The Comcast box sends to HDMI 2 and audio via optical to the Digital 1 input on the processor and again into the reciever. For good measure and to maybe use the VIA apps, we used another optical cable from the panel (in Dolby Digital, not PCM mode) to the Digital 2 input on the processor. We're using my classic, rebuilt (and unloved on AVS Forum) Infinity SM-series voice matched speakers in a 5.1 setting with a Klipsch subwoofer for low-end overkill.

This works pretty smoothly because the Harmony 770 Remote swtiches audio and video inputs at the same time, since it is programmed to know Blu-Ray means HDMI 1 on the panel + Line on the processor + 6-channel on the receiever and Comcast means HDMI 2 on the panel + Digital 1 on the processor + 6-channel on the receiver. As long as the Technics hold up and the Harmony works (it had no trouble finding the Vizio settings in Logitech's database, all the way down to the VIA button), I don't see a big need for a new HDMI reciever to do the switching and driving, especially since the Technics 110-disc CD and the Sirius Starmate are still in service as analog sources controlled by the receiver, too.

Of course, I'm using optical for most of the audio and your mileage will vary. All of this gear (including the Technics processor that was packaged with the receiver) pops up for cheap prices on eBay all the time, but I'd stay away from old speakers unless you are sure they've been rebuilt. I have to doubt a sound bar could sound as good as a 5.1 set-up, but others in your home might appreciate less gear.

We adopted the settings put forward by MyAppleBuddy before he returned his panel. It really is an amazing picture in both size and brilliance, versus the four-year-old 47" inch Philips (pre-Funai) I sold to a co-worker for $300. It is a fully entertaing experience with a panel this big and a good present to myself in place of the vacations I missed taking this year.

Will attempt to post images, too.


post #414 of 717
BTW: I'd appreciate some extended warranty thought, too. Since I used American Express for the Sam's Club purchase, the one-year warranty is automatically extended to two years as an Amex benefit. That seems good enough, but I'm open to other suggestions.
post #415 of 717
This is the buggiest TV I've ever purchased. The TV will not cooperate with my Pioneer VSX-1020K receiver. I don't even use CEC, but I'll intermittently lose audio/video and then it comes back. The receiver goes into a state where it looks like it is powered off but you can see the audio level in a corner of the receiver display. The Vizio remote works intermittently. I think I read on an Amazon review that there is a bug with WPA2 wireless security causing the remote issues. This TV is screaming for a new firmware and I'm amazed it has been available since September and still doesn't have one. Picture looks pretty good when it works. Bypassing my receiver for now and will wait for an update. If I don't see one by Christmas, the TV is going back to the store.

Chris
post #416 of 717
I have the 651 but since there isn't any Official Thread for this model I figured I would post it here.

Along with users of the 650 I'm having a hard time getting the color to what I want. I'm replacing a Vizio 554 and trying to get it to match that. I've got it pretty close but not just there. This set had a strong green hue with the some initial settings and strong blue on others.

I love the set but when I'm watching a program and the scene changes the pictures frequently jumps or flutters for a split second. Almost like it's not refreshing fast enough. I have 2 DirecTV DVRs and I have tried both of them with the set. I still have my 554 in the room and connected them both with a splitter to see if it was the station but the 55" didn't display this. When I try connecting it to the Component input the picture would black out complete for a few seconds at a time.

Is anyone else having this problem on the 650? 2 of the stations that really show it are Lifetime and Hallmark. They are showing a lot of Christmas movies so the set has been on those stations frequently.

Has anyone else noticed this. It's pretty annoying and I don't think it should be doing this. I really like the set and don't want to return it but won't keep it if this continues. Unless I just got a bad set.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.
post #417 of 717
Here are the issues I have experienced:
1. Every so often there is a "glitch" where the picture goes out for a split second then comes right back.
2. The remote is fairly unresponsive (touchy) most of the time, and sometimes it completely locks up and is unresponsive to all commands for about 30 seconds.
3. The Internet apps worked at first but now when I try to pull them up I just get the spinning loading indicator but nothing happens. My network is fine so I may need to reset the TV. I am using a hard wired connection.
4. I can't get the colors quite right. Greens and reds are the main culprit.
post #418 of 717
Can anyone tell me on here if I have to have the optical audio plugged into this tv then run it back to my receiver so i can listen to the Netflix app on this tv thru my surround sounds speakers?
Currently I have sound coming thru my receiver via Direct TV HDMI but no surround sound with the Netflix on. Any help would be great.

Side note: I also purchased my tv with AMEX so does that mean I would receive a extended warranty to two (2) years with Sams Club? I also posted on extending to 3 more years with purchasing the Square Trade for $59.99 for 3 extra years thru Costco. Costco site says we can add their warranty to tv purchased outside of Costco. Has anyone done this yet???
post #419 of 717
I think the only way to get audio out of the panel and into the receiver is by using the optical (better) or the analog (headset-style) jacks. The correct answer depends on whether your receiver accepts optical (aka "toslink"). The best source for cables at a low-cost for me has been monoprice.com, but BB, The Shack or similar stores sell the cables, too. If your receiver wants only SPIDIF ("coax") as a digital source, you'll need a converter ($20 at monoprice) or use the analog cable and get only two-channel sound.

One of us should call Amex this week and get the answer about the warranty-doubling process, such whether it is with a third party or with Vizio.
post #420 of 717
Thread Starter 
This banding is driving me insane!!!

Just waiting for the 70" E-Series to go on sale and this may be gone for that one ... it seems to have it's issue but picture quality seems on par with this and A Lot less talk about banding on that set.

I have been trying my hardest to look past it but it just can't!
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