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post #61 of 717
Thanks for the posting the details of the vizio 65! Could you comment on the noise level of the unit, please? Is there any humming or buzzing sound that is noticeable? I have an old Sammy plasma that looks great but the humming drives me nuts. Also, have you had a chance to watch any bluray or try any gaming? Xbox 360, etc. thanks!
post #62 of 717
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Originally Posted by ndsports316 View Post

I don't really trust the displays at the stores. They don't really setup them up right, and sometimes they use splitters to run one signal to all the tvs, which reduces the quality of the tvs by a ton!

Thanks. I do recall seeing a lot of coax running all over the place. Maybe a different Costco will have a different setup. I had ask the employee if she could change the feeds, but it was a no.
post #63 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Thanks. I do recall seeing a lot of coax running all over the place. Maybe a different Costco will have a different setup. I had ask the employee if she could change the feeds, but it was a no.

If you saw coax going into that hdtv, expect crappy quality. HDMI is needed for HDTVs. Anything less than that is gonna be a huge reduction in quality. Coax is the lowest quality to output picture.

Coax < RCA < RGB (Component) < HDMI
post #64 of 717
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Originally Posted by ndsports316 View Post

If you saw coax going into that hdtv, expect crappy quality. HDMI is needed for HDTVs. Anything less than that is gonna be a huge reduction in quality. Coax is the lowest quality to output picture.
Coax < RCA < RGB (Component) < HDMI

That is not necessarily true.

Composite < Component < HDMI

Full Bandwidth OTA HD signals look stunning. The problem is that most cable, satellite and even OTA signals are highly compressed, but it's not the fault or limitation of the Coax Cable. Coax cable is a sign of likely poor signal quality at Costco though.

FWIW, my local Costco had HDMI running to all the sets.
Edited by EscapeVelocity - 11/10/12 at 9:43pm
post #65 of 717
Bjs ad have them for $1289.00 for a week ending 11/25
post #66 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Any input on how the screen is in a room with windows? I thought I saw that it performed well, but now I can't find where I read that. This screen is more Matte I believe? Going to start calling some Costco's here in the Inland Empire area of So Cali to see if any have it. Swung by a Costco in Chino Hills last night and they had none.
Edit: Found one on display at a Costco. Right out of box with Directv live on it. Football in HD. Pic didn't look so hot. Just blaa. What am I missing here?

Not sure ... out of the box the picture settings Really need a good amount of tweaking so that's a huge part of it .... but other than that my HD on football with Comcast looks great!

Viewing a TV in the store is NEVER what it will be when you get it home ... I could never figure out why they don;t take time to adjust the TV sets they put up ... they are trying to sell the products ... you think they would tweak them even just a tiny bit to help with sales.

Keep in mind this in no few thousand dollar TV set ... it won't look like a Panasonic Plasma or anything .... but holy **** for the price it kills just about anything 2K and below I'm sure ... and I would go out on a limb (speaking with my experience with the 70" Sharp I bought ) as to say it's as good as some in the 2-3K range (minus the Plasmas probably).

I couldn't be happier with the massive amount of money I saved.
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Originally Posted by Ivymike777 View Post

Thanks for the posting the details of the vizio 65! Could you comment on the noise level of the unit, please? Is there any humming or buzzing sound that is noticeable? I have an old Sammy plasma that looks great but the humming drives me nuts. Also, have you had a chance to watch any bluray or try any gaming? Xbox 360, etc. thanks!

There is Zero humming or Buzzing .... it's not normal at all really to get anything like that on any LED TV (only Plasmas really). And no I do all my gaming in my office with my 42" .... and I have only had this TV for the week and watched HD TV on it .... I fired up The Avengers for the first couple minutes just to see how it looked but that was it ... the few minutes I saw there was nothing that didn't look great ... So I would assume the rest of the movie will look just as good.
post #67 of 717
Great input guys, thanks. Found the Vizio at a different Costco, with a better feed, and we bought it. It was next to a sharp, and a samsung, and looked a lot better than them. Out of the box settings in my home look real good.
post #68 of 717
After moving this set up on my list of possible candidates, I finally got to see it in person yesterday at the local Walmart. I must say that I liked it a lot, and based on whatever settings the other sets on their wall had, I didn't see any other one that blew me away more than this set. I was originally looking at one of the Sharp 80 inch sets, but with cost/size/bang for the buck, and the fact that I'm moving up from a Panasonic 50 inch rear projection (that just died yesterday after 8 years of faithful service) I think the Vizio 65 is going to be a good choice. Thanks to everyone for helping me on my decision and please keep the reviews coming.
post #69 of 717
TOmorrow when the Dallas game is done. Ill report back, Ill play the with the settings more. I love football but if it isn't my team I don't focus nearly as much on the TV as before. I'm glad more and more people are loving this TV. I feel I took a chance before the reviews hit but it's definitely by far one of the best purchases Ive ever made for entertainment purposes.
post #70 of 717
Thought I did watch Avengers and the picture was absolutely amazing.
post #71 of 717
I would also appreciate some comments on gaming / input lag w/ XBOX 360, thanks in advance. Saw this at Costco yesterday but the signal was terrible and the "salesperson" wouldn't get the the remote to change some settings frown.gif
post #72 of 717
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

That is not necessarily true.
Composite < Component < HDMI
Full Bandwidth OTA HD signals look stunning. The problem is that most cable, satellite and even OTA signals are highly compressed, but it's not the fault or limitation of the Coax Cable. Coax cable is a sign of likely poor signal quality at Costco though.
FWIW, my local Costco had HDMI running to all the sets.

Well, if the coax is running from the street into the digital tuner it looks good. But if you run coax off lets say a satellite box, its gonna look like ****. Or if a dish box is hooked to a splittler which than runs all the tvs. But yea, I should of stated Coax connected to a splitter or just a set top box.

HD channels look good hooked up to the digital tuner of the tv via coax.
post #73 of 717
The picture is incredible! The stand is weak and wobbly. The sound on the A/V inputs has a lot of lag time, it doesn't work at all with my karaoke system, it is noticably like 1 second delay, I messed with the lip sync option but that doesn't do anything for the side AV inputs I guess. The TV is very slow to "boot up" and the apps take a while to load in, but for its primary purpose, the picture, it is excellent. You can see the edges are slightly lighter on a solid darker background, such as when using the netflix app on it the gray borders. The refresh rate is amazing, most HD content looks "live" its refresh rate is so fast.
post #74 of 717
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Originally Posted by Donald Velasco View Post

The picture is incredible! The stand is weak and wobbly. The sound on the A/V inputs has a lot of lag time, it doesn't work at all with my karaoke system, it is noticably like 1 second delay, I messed with the lip sync option but that doesn't do anything for the side AV inputs I guess. The TV is very slow to "boot up" and the apps take a while to load in, but for its primary purpose, the picture, it is excellent. You can see the edges are slightly lighter on a solid darker background, such as when using the netflix app on it the gray borders. The refresh rate is amazing, most HD content looks "live" its refresh rate is so fast.

This is about exactly my thoughts and a great quick review.

Haven't noticed sound lag issues though ..... the delay on start-up is hard to deal with sometimes (about 20+ seconds after you press the power button), and and FYI with the light around the edges ... this is just a Very common thing for pretty much All LED TV's (especially edge-lit singe the light is firing from the edge to the center, in turn showing a little more light bleed around the corner edges) But I found that the the backlight really doesn't do much with the picture setting really .... I turned my backlight Way Down to cut out most of the edge light bleed and bumped up the brightness a couple notches to compensate. I noticed zero picture change in doing this but got rid of the semi-annoying lighter edges on the darker black screens.

Other than that great review .... just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

Still crossing my fingers Costco has this discounted even more on Black Friday weekend ... in case you missed my comment before if you have already bought this from Costco and they go on sale anytime within the 3 months and even if they are on sale for Black Friday weekend ... take in your receipt and you will get the difference credited. I knew this was the case if it went on sale just normally but this still applies to the black friday weekend sale as well. (fingers crossed)
post #75 of 717
Awesome info about the possible Costco rebate, I bought mine there. I plan on running all sound through a 7.2 receiver anyways so sound lag won't be a problem. The sound is fine on normal veiwing/HDMI stuff. Only when I plugged a Karaoke machine into the side RCA plugs that sound was noticeably delayed. I have to say I am very happy with the Netflix app on the tv, the picture is better than expected considering I have a poor internet connection speed. My other Netflix devices don't do as good a job decoding Netflix as this TV does. Also the very large selection of downloadable apps (80+) that can be put on the quickbar is nice, almost like having a large Android smile.gif
post #76 of 717
This 65" vizeo is an interesting find for 999...BUT seriously how can you compare it with Sharp's 70" and say you prefer the vizeo when the sharp has Contrast Ratio: 4,000,000:1 vs only 1mil for the vizeo.
post #77 of 717
But contrast ratio by who's standards?
post #78 of 717
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

This 65" vizeo is an interesting find for 999...BUT seriously how can you compare it with Sharp's 70" and say you prefer the vizeo when the sharp has Contrast Ratio: 4,000,000:1 vs only 1mil for the vizeo.

I can't tell you why but, I bought a 60" sharp tv a month ago and returned. The pic of the vizio is better than the sharp out of the box, even after tweaking the sharp. This are a few pics. Take in consideration that I haven't tweak the TV. I just mounted on the wall 15 minutes ago. Sorry for the flash. I'm very happy with this TV. I'm so glad I returned the Sharp and bought this tv. Once I play with it, I will post more pics. The sound to me is good. The speakers are pointing down and my TV is up around 4 feet from the floor for the sound is coming out at ear level.

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post #79 of 717
Thanks for posting the great pics! Before you trash the box could you give the dimensions? I need to make sure this beast is going to fit in my trunk. Thanks!
post #80 of 717
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Originally Posted by Dubvee2013 View Post

Thanks for posting the great pics! Before you trash the box could you give the dimensions? I need to make sure this beast is going to fit in my trunk. Thanks!

40" tall x 64" wide x 7" deep. Is a big box.
post #81 of 717
FYI: There's NO set way of measuring contrast ratio in the tv industry. So it's never a good idea to compare Sharp's contrast ratio vs Vizio or Sony vs LG etc because you don't know how they got their numbers let alone if the numbers even real which most likely it's not.Your much better off comparing one Sony vs another Sony or one Vizio against another Vizio etc. that's generally more accurate.
post #82 of 717
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

This 65" vizeo is an interesting find for 999...BUT seriously how can you compare it with Sharp's 70" and say you prefer the vizeo when the sharp has Contrast Ratio: 4,000,000:1 vs only 1mil for the vizeo.

Contrast ratio means nothing if the uniformity and picture look terrible! Now don't get me wrong on 1080p movies and 3D the Sharp was Stunning!!! But on regular HD channels it was so so and sports it was HORRIBLE !!! I am a big tv show and sports guy so the Sharp was not the right TV for me At All! I returned the thing within a few days (would have taken it back the next day after watching TV and sports but had to wait to find time to return it).

A company can tout these massive contrast ratios, all this smart tv jibber jabber, 480hz junk when we all know it's only 120hz, etc, etc, etc, ..... if the picture is bad and doesn't render all things good or great then it's not a good TV ... and the Sharp was NOT a good TV (for basic TV HD and sports for sure).

I could care less about what they "Claim" a TV to have ... I am looking for real world results and this TV by far exceeded the Sharp in those categories.
post #83 of 717
Well said Falcon.

I am going to Sams and Walmart tomorrow to check out the M650VSE and E601i-A3. Getting one or the other! smile.gif
post #84 of 717
Falconman, thanks for your input.
What is the viewing angle, side to side, to where it still is an acceptable picture?
We will be seated approx. 15 feet away.
Also how is the picture with the eye level being probably 10" to 12" from the bottom of the screen?
My wife has a piece of. Furniture that she wants it on, and eye level will not be at the center point?
post #85 of 717
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Contrast ratio means nothing if the uniformity and picture look terrible! Now don't get me wrong on 1080p movies and 3D the Sharp was Stunning!!! But on regular HD channels it was so so and sports it was HORRIBLE !!! I am a big tv show and sports guy so the Sharp was not the right TV for me At All! I returned the thing within a few days (would have taken it back the next day after watching TV and sports but had to wait to find time to return it).
A company can tout these massive contrast ratios, all this smart tv jibber jabber, 480hz junk when we all know it's only 120hz, etc, etc, etc, ..... if the picture is bad and doesn't render all things good or great then it's not a good TV ... and the Sharp was NOT a good TV (for basic TV HD and sports for sure).
I could care less about what they "Claim" a TV to have ... I am looking for real world results and this TV by far exceeded the Sharp in those categories.

My experience with the sharp was exactly like yours. I put Avatar in blue ray and the sharp look awesome, but once I started watching Football in regular and HD channels I was very unhappy with the 60" Sharp. My biggest complain about the Sharp was the black color and bad for sports picture. I'm very happy with the Vizio. I have the same experience with the apps. They are slow, but I won't be using them. I run Netflix using my PS3. I will use the WiFi mostly for software upgrades if Vizio send any.
post #86 of 717
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Originally Posted by kellydon View Post

Falconman, thanks for your input.
What is the viewing angle, side to side, to where it still is an acceptable picture?
We will be seated approx. 15 feet away.
Also how is the picture with the eye level being probably 10" to 12" from the bottom of the screen?
My wife has a piece of. Furniture that she wants it on, and eye level will not be at the center point?

Viewing angle is better then many I have seen so far ... I have a huge sectional couch and the side areas of the couch look great at that far off angle (a tiny bit dimmer maybe but not much).
I sit exactly 10' away and it's perfect for me but my set is basically even with eye level ... so I have no clue how the off angle looks on this set from viewing below the screen ... I suggest getting in touch with 30PlusRetLaw or eze05 who have posted pics in this thread with their new Vizios mounted up high ... they can answer this question better then me or anyone else can I'm sure.
If all else fails head to costco and take a look at it .... normally they have these TV kinda sitting up high above eye level most of the time so you can gauge the angles from the store pretty well I'm sure.
Good luck ... I don;t think you will be disappointed if you go this route.
post #87 of 717
Does everyone else have that small, maybe 1/8", black space between the pic and the bezel? Its on the sides and top but not bottom. Just wondering.
post #88 of 717
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Originally Posted by kellydon View Post

Falconman, thanks for your input.
What is the viewing angle, side to side, to where it still is an acceptable picture?
We will be seated approx. 15 feet away.
Also how is the picture with the eye level being probably 10" to 12" from the bottom of the screen?
My wife has a piece of. Furniture that she wants it on, and eye level will not be at the center point?

I sit 15 feet away and the bottom of the TV is at 4 feet 2 inches from the floor but, the mount I bought tills downward. My TV is tilted around 10-15 degrees towards the couch. Get yourself a mount that tilts. Monoprice.com have great mounts very cheap compare to the store. I think I paid $25 for my mount.
post #89 of 717
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Originally Posted by brewsbro View Post

Does everyone else have that small, maybe 1/8", black space between the pic and the bezel? Its on the sides and top but not bottom. Just wondering.

I have zero space. My problem is the contrary. The picture in some cases is bigger than the screen. I try to fixed by changing picture size settings and could not fixed. I'm using comcast and before, I was able to change the picture size using the comcast box, but now that feature is not working and I don't know why. I going to have to reprogram the box and see if it work.


BTW: as mention before, this tv have a long delay from when you press the "on" button and the picture appear. Is about 20-25 secs. I hope this can be fix with a software upgrade.
Edited by 30PlusRetlaw - 11/12/12 at 6:06am
post #90 of 717
Update to above post. I reprogram my cable box and now I can control the size of the picture using the cable box. Now the picture position is correct.
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