Official Vizio M650VSE Owners Thread! - Page 23

Originally Posted by Datagg 

Hello. Is there an official thread for the M3D651SV. I looked, didn't see one. We just bought this the other day. Looks great, yet there are a few shows that just dont look as they should. Kinda like what i would explain as color morphing. Seems to happen with greens more than anything. We have DTV with a HR34. All components running into my Yamaha RX1000, including, HR34, PS3, 360, Blue Ray player. All sent back to M3D651SV via HDMI 3D Monster cable (needed longer one to reach side of the TV). Anyways, messed with some settings here and there, yet really didn't see much of a change. I read this entire thread and its all about the 650 it appears, hence why im looking for an official on the 651SV to see what others have done. Oh and using ARC, which thus far is working good.

Thanks Guys for your time

Originally Posted by rickie 

The Official 651 thread is here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1439520/official-vizio-m3d651sv-owners-thread.

A few folks posted some settings you can try. One setting I think that helps is the local dimming, but i'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. In any case you might check the official thread for some settings. I also used the 709 HD patterns from the calibration forum here to do seom adjustsments. Though if you have some other HD calibration blurays I'm sure they work as well.

Rick

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

Sporatic black level could be source related. Make sure that you have the adaptive luma, backlight control and ambient light sensor turned off.
I personally doubt it is the TV. Now if it changes black level on a static image or same sequence of moving clip then you might actually have an issue with the set.
My set black level is ctually better than my Panasonic plasma. No issues there.

Originally Posted by rickie 

I think Datagg actually has the M3D651SV model which doesn't have the "backlight control" setting. Instead it has a "Smart Dimming" setting. This is the Vizio local dimming feature and I have found it works well when set to ON for my 651, though I've bounced back and forth a few times. I agree with the other two setting recommendations.

Thanks
rick

Originally Posted by rickie 

I think Datagg actually has the M3D651SV model which doesn't have the "backlight control" setting. Instead it has a "Smart Dimming" setting. This is the Vizio local dimming feature and I have found it works well when set to ON for my 651, though I've bounced back and forth a few times. I agree with the other two setting recommendations.

Thanks
rick

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

Understand. I thought I replied to Thumpin.

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

Sporatic black level could be source related. Make sure that you have the adaptive luma, backlight control and ambient light sensor turned off.
I personally doubt it is the TV. Now if it changes black level on a static image or same sequence of moving clip then you might actually have an issue with the set.
My set black level is ctually better than my Panasonic plasma. No issues there.

Originally Posted by Thumpin 

Thanks for responding...sorry I was away from my computer for a few days. I've turned off all the settings you have mentioned above, and "tuned" the TV to the specs listed in this thread. I brought in my 42" Samsung plasma (which is really nothing top of the line...just your normal middle of the road 3 year old Samsung plasma) and hooked it up with the same input and the blacks were solid, no artifacting, no static in the dark colors, and the overall picture quality put this Vizio to shame. Even with the DirecTV menu guide the difference is noticeable the the blue to black shading. The plasma looks like the blue is sprayed on gradually, while with the Vizio it looks like it's applied with chunky spray paint.

It looks great with sports and animation, but when it comes to other HD programming through my provider, it looks pretty bad (watched "The Following" and at some parts, it was downright disgusting). I think I'm going to return it and go with the Samsung PN64FS5300 unless I can find some vast improvement in the next day or two- I can run any smart content through my BluRay and xBox.

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

There are so much unit to unit variations. I also have a three year old panny which has similar black. But vizio kills it in detail and brightness and overall natural look and higher contrast.
Perhaps it is your calibration ..I don't know or just a so so sample. If you don't care to try another one going to plasma seems a good alternative. You might be happier.

Before returning the set display a 20ire or a solid black pattern on and go the color temp page and play with blue bias/offset reducing it one step at a time unit looks good. You might have elevetaed blue.
Those settings posted here are not really for every set.

Originally Posted by Thumpin 

I will try that out. I took the liberty of a few screen shots of my problem with the set (obviously they are tuned differently...the plasma is mostly for bedroom nighttime watching so a bit dimmer but I think I shall retune it now after looking at the screenshots). The artifacting in the black is noticeable from a distance on the Vizio, and I didn't even take a pic of where it makes the picture almost look cartoonish (just providing links after the first so as not to blow up the thread). The first example is from the guide screen of the DTV, and you can see the difference in the color transition on a static picture, and it really shows when watching a standard HD movie. The color shots are nearly perfect on the Vizio (second link) and IMO better than my cheapo Samsung plasma. The third shot I zoomed in to show how the blacks are presented on the Vizio - I know up close it's very obvious, but to me it's also this obvious from 12 feet away. Any ideas on why it's so bad, or is this common? Same inputs, same HD channel (which is probably 90% of our type of viewing)
The plasma is on the left, the Vizio on the right (same source, used my DVR). I was hoping that a tuned new LED could achieve somewhat close to the quality of a 3 year old untuned plasma, but I'm woefully disappointed at this point in time. The squares that show up in the blacks and transition blacks is not something I expected. Would this be common if I went with the Sharp Aquos C8470 or should I just hit up the Samsung PN64F5300? I am just looking for a decent quality monitor with no features (I have sound and smartTV covered quite well, and don't need 3D) that doesn't break the bank (<$1600)


(note you can click the pictures themselves in the links below to enlarge them)
http://i47.tinypic.com/1pjn2b.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2m28fbk.jpg

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

I believe those blocks are mpeg artifacts a source related and you'll get them with all TV's. And as why Plasma looks better is a matter of different technology. Plasmas hide lots of imperfections but not LED.
Led is more revealing, sharper and harsher a bit. Also size of the TV is another factor. Make sure your color level is not set too high. If you look close micro blocks are there in plasma too but smeared.
On your plasma sharpness is way high resulting different artefacts such as jaggedy edges. See the numbers alonge the edges. Look bad.

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

Your set is showing all there is to the signal is getting faithfully. Look into changing your provider. Decompresion artifacts are bad.
I wouldn't change set to band aid the issue. But you really cannot change provider try a plasma and see.
Also experiment with mpeg NR and smooth motion in the menu.

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

Get this for the same price Panasonic TC-P65S60

Originally Posted by sabex 

final update. i decide to return the TV - gotta love Costco - between the blooming and the ridiculous delays it was starting to piss me off
I ended up replacing with a Sharp Aquos 70" LC-70C6500U - definitely worth the additional $300 outlay
startup time is under 3 secs and i still get all the 'smart' apps.

Originally Posted by sabex 

M650VSE - same as the thread title

don't have or want 3D - gives me headaches in the movies - can only imagine how bad TV would be....

Originally Posted by CaspianM 

The only alternative is to go plasma. I have a smasung ES series and it is the pretty much the same as my VSE. Don't waste your time exchanging it with another led if that is your problem.
Another solution is do not sit 45 degree off axis.