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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

My copy of Lincoln has about 20, which makes this a tad impractical.

Yikes!
post #1712 of 3346
I stumbled across this HUGE listing of movies and the correct segment maps. I am verifying the ones I selected. I went with the "top" or "first" one listed in MakeMKV and so far, so good.


NEW Unofficial Blu-ray Audio and Video Specifications Thread

***EDIT: I spoke too soon. Batman Begins was the 3rd choice in MakeMKV. I guess the list will be really important to reference now. I was hoping that the correct one was always the top one.
post #1713 of 3346
Usually you can identify the correct choice depending on if the title has all the audio/subtitle tracks, or factors like that. Many discs have a second title with different segments, which then only has one or two audio tracks instead of all of them.
I don't think i remember a disc where there wasn't a clear choice, or it was trivial to detect from briefly peeking into one of the different segments, and I ripped hundreds (but our EU discs seem to not use these title obfuscation techniques that US discs seem to have in many cases)

The more complicated question is which track has forced subtitles, if any. That usually requires some more detective work, and this list can help sometimes.
post #1714 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

I don't think i remember a disc where there wasn't a clear choice, or it was trivial to detect from briefly peeking into one of the different segments, and I ripped hundreds (but our EU discs seem to not use these title obfuscation techniques that US discs seem to have in many cases)

It is not always so obvious on Blu-rays in the US, especially recent ones that can have dozens of playlists with loops and things to make it more difficult.

Here are three techniques:

1) If there are just a few playlists (like three) you can frequently guess the correct one. Check the guess by looking at the title and the end credits to see if it looks okay. If not, guess again.

2) AnyDVD can usually analyze the disc and tell you which playlist you want

3) If the disc has been out for a few days, you can probably find what you need in the MakeMKV or AnyDVD forums, or just try to google for it
Edited by jim2100 - 9/23/13 at 1:49am
post #1715 of 3346
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Originally Posted by A9X-308 View Post

My copy of Lincoln has about 20, which makes this a tad impractical.

The UK version of Hunger Games is the same.

David
post #1716 of 3346
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

You can just simply click on 'Ignore this alert' and it will take care of the critical error. I plan to create my own shares on the pool too and simply not use the WHS-created ones. The WHS shares are only there to use with the RWA and built-in media streaming features, Since I have other software I will use for streaming I just simply deleted the WHS shares and turn off the alert.

Are you talking about ignore the alert from the connector on the client PC ? Or on the actual server ?
post #1717 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post

Usually you can identify the correct choice depending on if the title has all the audio/subtitle tracks, or factors like that. Many discs have a second title with different segments, which then only has one or two audio tracks instead of all of them.
I don't think i remember a disc where there wasn't a clear choice, or it was trivial to detect from briefly peeking into one of the different segments, and I ripped hundreds (but our EU discs seem to not use these title obfuscation techniques that US discs seem to have in many cases)

The more complicated question is which track has forced subtitles, if any. That usually requires some more detective work, and this list can help sometimes.

Agreed that normally there is a most logical choice. However it isn't always apparent at first. The Hunger Games although it uses 10+ obfuscated playlists there is only 1 playlist that uses the correct runtime. This movie had me going for a while but looking back on it that choice should have been simple. Another one is playlists that use angles for different screen text languages like Star Wars. The opening text is displayed in 20+ different languages via the same playlist with multiple angles. Can be very confusing the first time you run into something like that.
post #1718 of 3346
So to open up another can of worms...

If a person just wants 1:1 copy of the movie and best audio track, MakeMKV should be fine, correct? Things seem to be OK, but my playback device currently is just my desktop using Total Media Theater 6. I only have 2 computer speakers, so it is converting the audio on the fly to stereo. Quality looks good, but I just want to make sure that this is OK since I am becoming a ripping fool.

Is there any reason that for the situation above, M2TS should be used? When googling MKV vs M2TS, there is a lot of opinion and conjecture based off of a lot of other factors (compressing with Handbrake, etc) where I didn't see anything clear cut for a 1:1 of just the movie and an audio stream.
post #1719 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

So to open up another can of worms...

If a person just wants 1:1 copy of the movie and best audio track, MakeMKV should be fine, correct? Things seem to be OK, but my playback device currently is just my desktop using Total Media Theater 6. I only have 2 computer speakers, so it is converting the audio on the fly to stereo. Quality looks good, but I just want to make sure that this is OK since I am becoming a ripping fool.

Is there any reason that for the situation above, M2TS should be used? When googling MKV vs M2TS, there is a lot of opinion and conjecture based off of a lot of other factors (compressing with Handbrake, etc) where I didn't see anything clear cut for a 1:1 of just the movie and an audio stream.

There is nothing clear cut and there will be no definitive answer on one method being better than another. I prefer MKV and MP4 over m2ts since I like having the ability to direct play on mobile devices. Not possible with m2ts. For compatibility I'll typically keep an AC3 5.1 audio track and a AAC 2.0 audio track as well as the HD audio track. If you know you'll only need the HD audio then only keep the HD audio.
post #1720 of 3346
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Originally Posted by itznfb View Post

There is nothing clear cut and there will be no definitive answer on one method being better than another. I prefer MKV and MP4 over m2ts since I like having the ability to direct play on mobile devices. Not possible with m2ts. For compatibility I'll typically keep an AC3 5.1 audio track and a AAC 2.0 audio track as well as the HD audio track. If you know you'll only need the HD audio then only keep the HD audio.

Thinking WAY down the road for me, but can't a HTPC just "downmix" a HD audio track or even just 5.1 to something that can be processed by a TV like DD 2.0? My theater room, where this is a main priority, has HD audio obviously. Our living room and family room both have HD audio capabilities. Beyond that I don't think that we will EVER do anything, but next up is the bedroom TV with no surround (and the only place where non-HD audio would be an issue), and we never really watch move than 20-30 minutes tops in there. The TVs beyond that will never have connectivity to the media server.

We were just given a cap on our internet, and honestly, the upstream is so bad, I don't plan to ever even try to stream over the internet. In the house, streaming to a phone, one of the laptops, or the tablet isn't going to happen. Just the nature of it. The family has learned to appreciate the theater experience, so they would just watch in one of the 3 locations in the house with HD audio/video.

So for me, I should be fine. I was reading somewhere that m2ts doesn't handle chapters or something? Seems odd, but maybe that is dated info.

Right now, I am just following Assassin's guide for using MakeMKV, but I stop there and I am NOT compressing anything.
post #1721 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Thinking WAY down the road for me, but can't a HTPC just "downmix" a HD audio track or even just 5.1 to something that can be processed by a TV like DD 2.0?
Yes

Also, the most compelling argument for MKV (for me when I started ripping) was the free factor. I don't know of a long-term "free" way to rip your discs to m2ts, and I realize makemkv is free "while it's in beta." However, it's been in beta a long time, and it will have earned my money by the time they charge (as opposed to demanding it upfront)
post #1722 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Thinking WAY down the road for me, but can't a HTPC just "downmix" a HD audio track or even just 5.1 to something that can be processed by a TV like DD 2.0? My theater room, where this is a main priority, has HD audio obviously. Our living room and family room both have HD audio capabilities. Beyond that I don't think that we will EVER do anything, but next up is the bedroom TV with no surround (and the only place where non-HD audio would be an issue), and we never really watch move than 20-30 minutes tops in there. The TVs beyond that will never have connectivity to the media server.

We were just given a cap on our internet, and honestly, the upstream is so bad, I don't plan to ever even try to stream over the internet. In the house, streaming to a phone, one of the laptops, or the tablet isn't going to happen. Just the nature of it. The family has learned to appreciate the theater experience, so they would just watch in one of the 3 locations in the house with HD audio/video.

So for me, I should be fine. I was reading somewhere that m2ts doesn't handle chapters or something? Seems odd, but maybe that is dated info.

Right now, I am just following Assassin's guide for using MakeMKV, but I stop there and I am NOT compressing anything.

The playback device will determine whether you're able to decode the audio or not. If you're only using HTPC's then you'll be fine with the HD audio track only. You can just set your HTPC media player to decode the audio before it gets to the TV wherever you don't have a receiver.
post #1723 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

So to open up another can of worms...

If a person just wants 1:1 copy of the movie and best audio track, MakeMKV should be fine, correct? Things seem to be OK, but my playback device currently is just my desktop using Total Media Theater 6. I only have 2 computer speakers, so it is converting the audio on the fly to stereo. Quality looks good, but I just want to make sure that this is OK since I am becoming a ripping fool.

Is there any reason that for the situation above, M2TS should be used? When googling MKV vs M2TS, there is a lot of opinion and conjecture based off of a lot of other factors (compressing with Handbrake, etc) where I didn't see anything clear cut for a 1:1 of just the movie and an audio stream.

If you are playing back with TMT6 be aware that any rips with Cinavia encryption will stop audio after about 20mins.

David
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If you are playing back with TMT6 be aware that any rips with Cinavia encryption will stop audio after about 20mins.

David

I am only using TMT6 to verify that the rips are working and have the full movie, etc.

I don't have a HTPC built yet, but at the rate that things are being ripped, I will have to start looking into that REALLY soon.

I'd ask more about what people are doing for playback, but I will just start reading the Assassin Guides for a start and look for a topic on HTPC and not a media server like this one.
post #1725 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

So to open up another can of worms...

If a person just wants 1:1 copy of the movie and best audio track, MakeMKV should be fine, correct? Things seem to be OK, but my playback device currently is just my desktop using Total Media Theater 6. I only have 2 computer speakers, so it is converting the audio on the fly to stereo. Quality looks good, but I just want to make sure that this is OK since I am becoming a ripping fool.

Is there any reason that for the situation above, M2TS should be used? When googling MKV vs M2TS, there is a lot of opinion and conjecture based off of a lot of other factors (compressing with Handbrake, etc) where I didn't see anything clear cut for a 1:1 of just the movie and an audio stream.

I actually usually rip multiple tracks and then select the track I want with my player :

VLC:



WMP:


WMP-HC


depending on my mood, the movie etc... I sometimes do stereo track... or just an HD track... or all of them.

Kids movies tend to get streamed on tablets and such... so a stereo track is good for that. Some movies are more theater and so I do the HD tracks... most movies I do a few different.

Sometimes I copy the audio tracks for the commetary depending on the movie.

Example: My wife loves Titanic so I copied for that all the extra tracks cause she would watch them on that movie



Not suggesting you have to do it this way- but switching audio tracks is easy enough that you might want to rip more than 1.

I copy multiple english tracks- but I never copy the other languages because I only want the English tracks. If your bi-lingual you could do the extra tracks in the same method and switch back and forth. I bring this up just to aware you that you might want the extra tracks now versus re-ripping later. If you only want 1- then only rip 1. There is no right or wrong.
post #1726 of 3346
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

I am only using TMT6 to verify that the rips are working and have the full movie, etc.

I don't have a HTPC built yet, but at the rate that things are being ripped, I will have to start looking into that REALLY soon.

I'd ask more about what people are doing for playback, but I will just start reading the Assassin Guides for a start and look for a topic on HTPC and not a media server like this one.

Right now the best picture is probably MPC-HC with MadVR, Reclock and possibly SVP (<-if you like it or depending on source material)

VLC, and WMP are both popular options too. Assassin has a good guide at setting up WMC or WMP to do HD audio, change audio tracks, subtitles etc... (I have long used the Shark007 method that he added later on )

Using the Shark007 codec pack is a good way to retain WMC and use mediabrowser ( I like this for eye candy, mediabrowser looks great and lots of options to make it work well )

Some people hate MS and prefer XBMC freeware (you have to pay for mediabrowser add on's sometimes) and use the XBMC player. I think that player is the worst of the bunch, but again you could configure both mediabrowser or XBMC to use an external player like VLC or MPC-HC with MadVR.

Mediabrowser3 Theater is a stand alone player and front end that will support SVP and MadVR and reclock- and won't use WMC so that's probably going to be the best option long term but it's only beta testing now.
post #1727 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Some people hate MS and prefer XBMC freeware (you have to pay for mediabrowser add on's sometimes) and use the XBMC player. I think that player is the worst of the bunch

No.
post #1728 of 3346
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Are you talking about ignore the alert from the connector on the client PC ? Or on the actual server ?

Im referring to the server side in the dashboard.
post #1729 of 3346
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

No.

You think the XBMC player looks as good as MPC-HC with the add ons ? Or it works as well with troubling or less than ideal MKV files as VLC does ? rolleyes.gif



This kids is a reason not to do drugs ^ biggrin.gif
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Im referring to the server side in the dashboard.

I don't use the dashboard anymore. I found it extremely annoying. I don't install it onto my desktop or anything else. I just map the network drive and assign full permissions so the "flexraid" drive shows up on all my machines like a locally installed HDD would.

If I need to do anything else I just open up RPD session like this:



I have it set up to remember my login in (WHS requires a captial and a lower case and numbers in the PW so it's annoying ) so I just click it on my desk and it opens right up. There is no need for the dashboard at all, or any of those alerts IMO. It's an annoyance on my workstation I can do without.
post #1731 of 3346
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You've possibly given me an idea on working with my collection using the two-monitor method. I had recently built an i7 3930K video editing workstation with a dual monitor setup so it would be a perfect way to work with all the HD material on one and different stuff on the other. I usually process all my new rips and get everything squared away before transferring it to the server, just to ensure that everything plays right and there are no issues.

An excellent post!

Thanks.

My way is not for everyone. DarkSlayer thinks I am an idiot and insists I should rip directly to the server.

I think one of the biggest factors for me isn't just the complications and extra steps- but that I can navigate and control the process with a high level of precision. My workstation is powerful (4770k i7) and the monitors are large, and I have 3. The mouse and keyboard are pretty good too. I'm just accustomed to, and prefer, and appreciate the high level of control and experience I have so when it comes time to do something tedious like media managing- I just enjoy doing the task on my workstation. Of coarse you could do all this locally, or even within an RDP session- but you are going to give up a lot of PC luxury , a lot of performance, and a lot of control.

I open up MakeMKV on my big monitor because just checking and unchecking the boxes for which audio tracks, which subtitles I want and I do not want is a PITA. It's easy for once rip, but if your doing this constantly you will appreciate big monitors and fine controls on your mouse.

Once I start ripping my first MAKMKV session I move the MakeMKV window over to my third monitor, and open up a new instance of the program and rip another bluray. I use the main largest monitor, and then again move it over to the other monitor. This allows me to do multiple rips as the same time too. A huge bonus in time savings biggrin.gif

It works for me because I already own my workstation and would likely own it even if I did not use it for media management so for this reason it's FREE. But if someone had to invest in a workstation only for the the purpose of media management it's probably out of the budget of everyone around here (except Japan Dave)

I'm $1500 into displays alone- (they are not even great either). I'm over $400 in mice and keyboards and mouse pads (that's more than some HTPC's eek.gif ) My desktop case is $350, my PSU is $150, and my CPU is $300. RAM is $100, Mobo $140, I've got $500 worth of SSD's (dual boot RAID 0 array and a normal single SSD) I have a RAID 0 scratch disk that just way faster than your going to get over gigabit LAN. I have the nice Logitech THX 5.1 speakers, a nice desk and chair... For me there just is no other way to do it. I could never do it on a basic PC, or a laptop. And doing inside an RPD session, or directly on the server with a single monitor would be frustrating.

For me - my media management is a constant chore. It's not something I just do once and never again. It's something I do constantly because I am always acquiring new media. Keeping up on TV alone is a chore, even if I never got another movie. But then again I am a home theater enthusiast- and I do all this because it's my hobby. Often times people go above and beyond for a hobby that does not make sense to others. I know some guys that spend a lot more on Golfing than I ever would on HTPC. I have friends into cars (they drive expensive sports cars or built race cars) and others that are into boating (again spending a lot on boats and boating) It's relative to what makes you happy and how far you are willing to take things.

A quick visit to the dedicated theater building forum will show you some crazy levels people take their "hobby" of home theater. In the grand scheme of things I probably have spent about $1000 a year on this hobby on average over last 5 years. Once you build a server for $1000 or $2000 it's going to last you many years (more than 5) usually so it's not crazy expensive to spend a few hundred dollars a year average on a media server. But adding quickly in my head my desktop workstation I think I'm well over $5000 on just that machine so I guess it does add up quickly. I don't notice it as much spending a little at a time here and there, justifying a small upgrade here or there.

If you have a workstation or a very nice PC with good performance and also with nice big multiple displays- it's a no brainer to use it. It will save you lots of time and your results will be better. The performance is better, the process is easier. For me I get great enjoyment when things are easy, and it works well. It make's the investment worth it and increases my satisfaction. If I was stuck doing it all on a HTPC hooked up to my TV, or a laptop or some general PC I'd get frustrated. Working over LAN sucks too- as it takes a long time to run refreshes and do certain things as compared to a fast local scratch disk. A dual monitor video edit workstation is perfect for media management. I'd say do it, once you start you will never look back.

The other part of how I do it has to do with having lots of media. If you have a big collection and you rip directly to it- it becomes harder to just find the new item that needs attention too. I like doing it a few at a time locally then copying them to my server. It would take me a page of scrolling just to get to the later letters in the alphabet the alternative way. It must be a personality thing because I often encounter people that do things different than me.

This weekend I was in my dad's garage doing a project subwoofer DIY build and I wanted to listen to music but he uses a "boom box" style CD player thing for music; It sounds not so good ... So I went home (down the street) and got a receiver and speaker pair I have from my place. I came back, hooked it up. (stripped the speaker wire, spread the speakers, hooked my iphone up) My dad watched me and said multiple times I would just have used the boom box. But I could not do that. If I am going to listen to music I want it to sound good. Otherwise, I'd rather just go without. I can't appreciate poor distorted sound. It just bothers me. The entire process of hooking up the stereo probably took me 15 minutes - but the enjoyment of my efforts lasted for the entire 6 hours I was there.

I think media management is the same way. I am not sure I would be able to do it any other way once I am accustomed to doing it my way. I would get angry over the extra time LAN was taking, the limited displays, or input controls. The lack of PC horsepower would annoy me too. Perhaps for a single time I could tolerate it- but I would never want to live with a less idea set up long term. I can't even use a laptop anymore. I was at my Dad's for the football game sunday and I picked up my mom's i3 laptop with a 500GB spinner HDD and windows 7 home. (it's a fresh install I did for her) Just trying to navigate to DirectTV web page and sign into the NFL SUNDAY TICKET was a major chore. I hated the mouse control, the slowness (it seems to take forever to do anything). It's impossible for me to use something like that anymore. It's decidedly horrible. I find myself "waiting" to do anything PC related, or web surfing until I am on my desktop. My laptop never gets used anymore (even though I upgraded to SSD). My wife uses it for pictures and web surfing still- but I find I would rather just go on my desktop. Sometimes it amazes me laptops are as popular as they are. I don't think people understand what they are missing, or have really experienced a good PC. Even the $1000 i7 DELL people think is good usually is poor performance. I played with a $1000 PC combo at Costco and was mortified it was so horrible.

It all comes down to what you are accustomed to. If you never knew about high speed internet dial up might seem fine. If you never knew about SSD for your OS then a HDD might seem fine. This is the same thing. Just like someone with a $100k car might get into a $10k Chevy and think it's terrible car to drive. But there is millions of $10k cars being driven around every day with happy owners. It's all relative to what you know, and all related to how far you are willing to take things or what performance you think you are worth. I am pretty sure if you start using your workstation you would never look back.
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I wonder how much larger these will be with a HD and "regular" audio track vs. just HD? I will have to experiment. If it isn't much bigger, I guess it won't hurt. Not sure if I will go back and start over or just blaze ahead for now and decide later if it is worth re-ripping the 20ish that I've done...

I rip one movie on my desktop and one on my server because I have one blu-ray drive in each. Honestly, the server rips faster than my desktop. Crazy, but it does. I rip to a temp "RIP" folder on both machines, and then run the renamer to do batch renames. On the server, it then moves the renamed folders to the share folder. I nightly set up a move job from my desktop to the server share and just walk away. I always have the option to do other sorting, filtering, whatever before moving, but love that the server rips move instantly obviously, vs. the hours it is taking to copy files from the desktop to the server (I need to get my gigabit switch put in yet... I know, plug and play pretty much.)

Mfusick, do you have 2 blu-ray drives in your desktop? I take it that MakeMKV works with multiple drives? Hmmm. Maybe I could be ripping some DVDs the same time that I rip some blu-rays.
Edited by nickbuol - 9/23/13 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I don't use the dashboard anymore. I found it extremely annoying. I don't install it onto my desktop or anything else. I just map the network drive and assign full permissions so the "flexraid" drive shows up on all my machines like a locally installed HDD would.

If I need to do anything else I just open up RPD session like this:



I have it set up to remember my login in (WHS requires a captial and a lower case and numbers in the PW so it's annoying ) so I just click it on my desk and it opens right up. There is no need for the dashboard at all, or any of those alerts IMO. It's an annoyance on my workstation I can do without.

In my case, I can also simply RDP into any server I need to as well since I am running 2008 R2 and WHS 2011 so any tasks I may need to perform can be done directly on the system. For WHS 2011, I am using Stablebit DP for my pooling and FlexRaid for the data protection. So for me having the dashboard open from time to time can keep me updated on all the drive's status and space. Other than that, I simply create my own shares outside WHS's management and simply use the UNC paths for my media since I am using MB3 Server and so far its doing a wonderful job. Plus, I have emails setup where I get emailed if something on the server is amiss, so for the most part I never need the Dashboard either. Plus, I have also disabled the LaunchPad from auto-launching whenever I reboot my client machines.
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

I wonder how much larger these will be with a HD and "regular" audio track vs. just HD? I will have to experiment. If it isn't much bigger, I guess it won't hurt. Not sure if I will go back and start over or just blaze ahead for now and decide later if it is worth re-ripping the 20ish that I've done...

It's nothing compared to the video size. Maximum HD audio is like 6mb/sec extra so I doubt it matter much in the grande scheme of HDD storage. HDD are cheap, and if you go through all the trouble to build a media server and a HTPC and buy nice AVR and speakers and build a nice theater- then I think it's well worth the extra an HD audio track might take up. (opinion)
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

In my case, I can also simply RDP into any server I need to as well since I am running 2008 R2 and WHS 2011 so any tasks I may need to perform can be done directly on the system. For WHS 2011, I am using Stablebit DP for my pooling and FlexRaid for the data protection. So for me having the dashboard open from time to time can keep me updated on all the drive's status and space. Other than that, I simply create my own shares outside WHS's management and simply use the UNC paths for my media since I am using MB3 Server and so far its doing a wonderful job. Plus, I have emails setup where I get emailed if something on the server is amiss, so for the most part I never need the Dashboard either. Plus, I have also disabled the LaunchPad from auto-launching whenever I reboot my client machines.

+1.

I open up the RDP and maximize the window on my second monitor. It's like have two systems connected to the same mouse and keyboard. Very good for productivity. Yup. you get it biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Thanks.

My way is not for everyone. DarkSlayer thinks I am an idiot and insists I should rip directly to the server.

I think one of the biggest factors for me isn't just the complications and extra steps- but that I can navigate and control the process with a high level of precision. My workstation is powerful (4770k i7) and the monitors are large, and I have 3. The mouse and keyboard are pretty good too. I'm just accustomed to, and prefer, and appreciate the high level of control and experience I have so when it comes time to do something tedious like media managing- I just enjoy doing the task on my workstation. Of coarse you could do all this locally, or even within an RDP session- but you are going to give up a lot of PC luxury , a lot of performance, and a lot of control.

I open up MakeMKV on my big monitor because just checking and unchecking the boxes for which audio tracks, which subtitles I want and I do not want is a PITA. It's easy for once rip, but if your doing this constantly you will appreciate big monitors and fine controls on your mouse.

Once I start ripping my first MAKMKV session I move the MakeMKV window over to my third monitor, and open up a new instance of the program and rip another bluray. I use the main largest monitor, and then again move it over to the other monitor. This allows me to do multiple rips as the same time too. A huge bonus in time savings biggrin.gif

It works for me because I already own my workstation and would likely own it even if I did not use it for media management so for this reason it's FREE. But if someone had to invest in a workstation only for the the purpose of media management it's probably out of the budget of everyone around here (except Japan Dave)

I'm $1500 into displays alone- (they are not even great either). I'm over $400 in mice and keyboards and mouse pads (that's more than some HTPC's eek.gif ) My desktop case is $350, my PSU is $150, and my CPU is $300. RAM is $100, Mobo $140, I've got $500 worth of SSD's (dual boot RAID 0 array and a normal single SSD) I have a RAID 0 scratch disk that just way faster than your going to get over gigabit LAN. I have the nice Logitech THX 5.1 speakers, a nice desk and chair... For me there just is no other way to do it. I could never do it on a basic PC, or a laptop. And doing inside an RPD session, or directly on the server with a single monitor would be frustrating.

For me - my media management is a constant chore. It's not something I just do once and never again. It's something I do constantly because I am always acquiring new media. Keeping up on TV alone is a chore, even if I never got another movie. But then again I am a home theater enthusiast- and I do all this because it's my hobby. Often times people go above and beyond for a hobby that does not make sense to others. I know some guys that spend a lot more on Golfing than I ever would on HTPC. I have friends into cars (they drive expensive sports cars or built race cars) and others that are into boating (again spending a lot on boats and boating) It's relative to what makes you happy and how far you are willing to take things.

A quick visit to the dedicated theater building forum will show you some crazy levels people take their "hobby" of home theater. In the grand scheme of things I probably have spent about $1000 a year on this hobby on average over last 5 years. Once you build a server for $1000 or $2000 it's going to last you many years (more than 5) usually so it's not crazy expensive to spend a few hundred dollars a year average on a media server. But adding quickly in my head my desktop workstation I think I'm well over $5000 on just that machine so I guess it does add up quickly. I don't notice it as much spending a little at a time here and there, justifying a small upgrade here or there.

If you have a workstation or a very nice PC with good performance and also with nice big multiple displays- it's a no brainer to use it. It will save you lots of time and your results will be better. The performance is better, the process is easier. For me I get great enjoyment when things are easy, and it works well. It make's the investment worth it and increases my satisfaction. If I was stuck doing it all on a HTPC hooked up to my TV, or a laptop or some general PC I'd get frustrated. Working over LAN sucks too- as it takes a long time to run refreshes and do certain things as compared to a fast local scratch disk. A dual monitor video edit workstation is perfect for media management. I'd say do it, once you start you will never look back.

The other part of how I do it has to do with having lots of media. If you have a big collection and you rip directly to it- it becomes harder to just find the new item that needs attention too. I like doing it a few at a time locally then copying them to my server. It would take me a page of scrolling just to get to the later letters in the alphabet the alternative way. It must be a personality thing because I often encounter people that do things different than me.

This weekend I was in my dad's garage doing a project subwoofer DIY build and I wanted to listen to music but he uses a "boom box" style CD player thing for music; It sounds not so good ... So I went home (down the street) and got a receiver and speaker pair I have from my place. I came back, hooked it up. (stripped the speaker wire, spread the speakers, hooked my iphone up) My dad watched me and said multiple times I would just have used the boom box. But I could not do that. If I am going to listen to music I want it to sound good. Otherwise, I'd rather just go without. I can't appreciate poor distorted sound. It just bothers me. The entire process of hooking up the stereo probably took me 15 minutes - but the enjoyment of my efforts lasted for the entire 6 hours I was there.

I think media management is the same way. I am not sure I would be able to do it any other way once I am accustomed to doing it my way. I would get angry over the extra time LAN was taking, the limited displays, or input controls. The lack of PC horsepower would annoy me too. Perhaps for a single time I could tolerate it- but I would never want to live with a less idea set up long term. I can't even use a laptop anymore. I was at my Dad's for the football game sunday and I picked up my mom's i3 laptop with a 500GB spinner HDD and windows 7 home. (it's a fresh install I did for her) Just trying to navigate to DirectTV web page and sign into the NFL SUNDAY TICKET was a major chore. I hated the mouse control, the slowness (it seems to take forever to do anything). It's impossible for me to use something like that anymore. It's decidedly horrible. I find myself "waiting" to do anything PC related, or web surfing until I am on my desktop. My laptop never gets used anymore (even though I upgraded to SSD). My wife uses it for pictures and web surfing still- but I find I would rather just go on my desktop. Sometimes it amazes me laptops are as popular as they are. I don't think people understand what they are missing, or have really experienced a good PC. Even the $1000 i7 DELL people think is good usually is poor performance. I played with a $1000 PC combo at Costco and was mortified it was so horrible.

It all comes down to what you are accustomed to. If you never knew about high speed internet dial up might seem fine. If you never knew about SSD for your OS then a HDD might seem fine. This is the same thing. Just like someone with a $100k car might get into a $10k Chevy and think it's terrible car to drive. But there is millions of $10k cars being driven around every day with happy owners. It's all relative to what you know, and all related to how far you are willing to take things or what performance you think you are worth. I am pretty sure if you start using your workstation you would never look back.

Well, there is no right or wrong way to do anything. The main point to it all is that as long as one enjoy what they do, that's what counts in the end because by the end of the day you have a finished product the way you want it.

It took me almost five years to finally build my dream i7 workstation to where I can do HD video and music composition, so I had built it for a specific purpose. Took me a long time to research parts and setup configurations. Now that I have it running I intend to make full use of its power, with a hex core i7 and 32GB of RAM, and using an 128 SSD for the OS its a beast. I don't know enough about RAID setups yet, but that will be a future endeavor as funds allow. But I also have another system built, an XP box which I plan to use for older SD content acquisition as I have alot of stuff on older media that I want to preserve, so having multiple systems is a nice thing to have.

I enjoy the whole experience in having multiple monitor setup and configurations to get what I need done. And for audio, you and I have similar tastes when it comes to quality, while one is fine with distorted sound or poor sound quality, it would drive me nuts.

Either way, there's no wrong way to manage our media collections. We all have different ways, different methods, and procedures in how we want to them to look.
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DarkSlayer thinks I am an idiot and insists I should rip directly to the server

Your cross-threading, but that is beside the point

I don't think you are an idiot, nor do I insist you rip directly to your server

I do think your precise management method is nonsensical and a huge waste of time. I also chime in with how I do it (which doesn't involve scrolling through pages to find new folders - i.e. sort MCM media list by "locked" status)

I repeat this as often as you repeat your method just to bring my idea of sanity to someone posing the question in this or any other thread in this forum. I've ripped hundreds of discs across my lan directly to my Flexraid shares without issue. I've had MCM fetch metadata for them all without issue. I've had my XBMC library update post-fetch each time without issue. If I don't like the artwork, I go back to MCM and change it manually. Otherwise I lock the title and move on. I don't spend time watching MakeMKV progress bars go by or MCM log entries about fetching metadata at lightning speed. A typical rip from my old BD ROM takes 16-30 minutes, and I don't watch it. I don't have more BD drives, and I don't really care. I have enough other things vying for my time, so I let the rip complete while I read, research, tinker, etc. When the "Copy Complete" notification comes up, I start a new rip.

P.S. If your looking for just the main title and you set your preferences to 3600s min length and add the advanced arg "-sel:all" you don't usually have many boxes to check. I always start with nothing checked, since I find it quicker to check the 3-5 boxes I want than "unchecking" the 7-10 that I don't
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Your cross-threading, but that is beside the point

I don't think you are an idiot, nor do I insist you rip directly to your server

I do think your precise management method is nonsensical and a huge waste of time. I also chime in with how I do it (which doesn't involve scrolling through pages to find new folders - i.e. sort MCM media list by "locked" status)

I repeat this as often as you repeat your method just to bring my idea of sanity to someone posing the question in this or any other thread in this forum. I've ripped hundreds of discs across my lan directly to my Flexraid shares without issue. I've had MCM fetch metadata for them all without issue. I've had my XBMC library update post-fetch each time without issue. If I don't like the artwork, I go back to MCM and change it manually. Otherwise I lock the title and move on. I don't spend time watching MakeMKV progress bars go by or MCM log entries about fetching metadata at lightning speed. A typical rip from my old BD ROM takes 16-30 minutes, and I don't watch it. I don't have more BD drives, and I don't really care. I have enough other things vying for my time, so I let the rip complete while I read, research, tinker, etc. When the "Copy Complete" notification comes up, I start a new rip.

P.S. If your looking for just the main title and you set your preferences to 3600s min length and add the advanced arg "-sel:all" you don't usually have many boxes to check. I always start with nothing checked, since I find it quicker to check the 3-5 boxes I want than "unchecking" the 7-10 that I don't

Very similar to my approach including the part about not caring about how long it takes to rip a movie (I also have a ton of other things I can do while to movie is ripping and pride myself in being an expert multi-tasker smile.gif )

BTW I have a guide on MKV with step by step instructions on how I use it to rip movies including some of the settings that you are referencing if anyone reading this wants to try it out.
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... and add the advanced arg "-sel:all" you don't usually have many boxes to check. I always start with nothing checked, since I find it quicker to check the 3-5 boxes I want than "unchecking" the 7-10 that I don't

Nice.... I like that.
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For what it is worth, I re-ripped The Avengers, this time selecting the DTS-HD 7.1 audio, DD 5.1, and DD 2.0 tracks. The file size for everything went from about 30GB to 32GB. Not too bad for 2 additional audio options.

Looks like I get to re-rip everything again. This time should be good moving forward. At least I only had 20 rips (of which I had redone about 5-6 more). I am chalking them up to a learning experience. wink.gif
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