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post #2221 of 3346
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Another plus for win 8 then. Super fast install 😊

Yes and No.

Considering WHS was $35 and windows 8 is triple that cost - and the fact that I really don't ever plan to install again (unless of serious problem) the hour long install time is acceptable.

My server is up an running, all windows updates installed , drivers installed, software installed and my drives are pooled.

It wasn't too bad at all. I'm just impatient biggrin.gif
post #2222 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Yes and No.

Considering WHS was $35 and windows 8 is triple that cost - and the fact that I really don't ever plan to install again (unless of serious problem) the hour long install time is acceptable.

My server is up an running, all windows updates installed , drivers installed, software installed and my drives are pooled.

It wasn't too bad at all. I'm just impatient biggrin.gif
If you count how many licenses I got from technet then my win 8 is less than $10 😄
post #2223 of 3346
Hypothetical question here, if you had the choice between WHS 2011, Win7, Win8 and Win 8.1 for your server, which would you choose? And expanding on that what would you suggest for an HTPC? Personally I'm at the point where I need to finish my home server build and would like suggestions on the path forward. I know it's been suggested the front page stickies need updating and thought maybe a grouping of scenarios might be advantageous? Each category could be broken down by cost, performance, etc. and then linked to current builds? For example, here's my proposed scenario and could use some help deciding which software is needed.

Proposed Server:
Windows ? (OS)
FLEXRAID (pooling + redundancy)
MediaBrowser3 (server - backend)
MediaCenterMaster (scraping)

Proposed HTPC:
Win7 Pro (OS) with WMC
MediaBrowser3 classic (client - frontend)

Current Desktop:
Win8.1 Pro (OS)
MakeMKV (ripping)

Would it be better to have Win7 on the server as well if I were to use WMC, since it is included with Pro?
post #2224 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Spec4 View Post

Hypothetical question here, if you had the choice between WHS 2011, Win7, Win8 and Win 8.1 for your server, which would you choose? And expanding on that what would you suggest for an HTPC? Personally I'm at the point where I need to finish my home server build and would like suggestions on the path forward. I know it's been suggested the front page stickies need updating and thought maybe a grouping of scenarios might be advantageous? Each category could be broken down by cost, performance, etc. and then linked to current builds? For example, here's my proposed scenario and could use some help deciding which software is needed.

Proposed Server:
Windows ? (OS)
FLEXRAID (pooling + redundancy)
MediaBrowser3 (server - backend)
MediaCenterMaster (scraping)

Proposed HTPC:
Win7 Pro (OS) with WMC
MediaBrowser3 classic (client - frontend)

Current Desktop:
Win8.1 Pro (OS)
MakeMKV (ripping)

Would it be better to have Win7 on the server as well if I were to use WMC, since it is included with Pro?

I like WHS on the server for the automated backup capabilities. Additionally, with MediaBrowser3 server running, there's no real need for MediaCenterMaster (at least in most cases) IMO. MediaBrowser3 server will do the scraping for you
post #2225 of 3346
Forgot to mention that I have a HT that needs serviced, hence the HTPC and my usage pattern is 80% movies and 20% music. Also the desktop is the workhorse (gaming, editing, ripping, CAD, etc.) machine and I've wondered if I should just forgo the HTPC and use the desktop as an all-in-one? It's definitely capable and just finished a rebuild, which is eerily similar to Mfusick's build a few posts back.

ASRock Z87 Extreme4
Core i5-4670K
GeForce GTX 770
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 256GB
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB)
Seasonic 660W 80+ PLATINUM
LG Blu-ray Burner (WH14NS40)
CM Hyper 212+

The server is a 24-bay AIC chassis from TAMS that is stock, but I have the parts to mod. So either I use the parts that were taken out of service from my old PC and build a HTPC or use them for the server?

Parts taken out of service and available:

ASUS P8Z68-V PRO
Core i5-2500K
GeForce GTX 560 Ti
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
Corsair Force GT 120GB
PC Power and Cooling S61EPS 610W 80+
TOSHIBA 2TB (x4) + various smaller HDD's

My previous question was regarding the software needed because I have plenty of HW knowledge, just need help with selecting the SW now. NNate I too like the backup feature of WHS 2011 and am leaning towards that choice in conjuction with FLEXRAID. I'll most likely build the server now with WHS and add FLEXRAID later to control the up front cost, since the desktop rebuild was not cheap. rolleyes.gif
post #2226 of 3346
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You are a perfect candidate for a WHS2011 + FLEXRAID machine with the Asus and 2500k i5- use it as your server. It will work good for transcoding and anything else you need to do.

Use the Z87 for the HTPC and personally I still like WIN7 x64 PRO. But I have 5 licenses I got for $50 each - and it supports RDP (which I use) so that works for me. I am just comfortable with Windows7 and everything just works so well. There is so much support etc...

I have not tried Windows 8 that much , but what I did I did not like.
post #2227 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Spec4 View Post

Hypothetical question here, if you had the choice between WHS 2011, Win7, Win8 and Win 8.1 for your server, which would you choose? And expanding on that what would you suggest for an HTPC? Personally I'm at the point where I need to finish my home server build and would like suggestions on the path forward. I know it's been suggested the front page stickies need updating and thought maybe a grouping of scenarios might be advantageous? Each category could be broken down by cost, performance, etc. and then linked to current builds? For example, here's my proposed scenario and could use some help deciding which software is needed.

Proposed Server:
Windows ? (OS)
FLEXRAID (pooling + redundancy)
MediaBrowser3 (server - backend)
MediaCenterMaster (scraping)

Proposed HTPC:
Win7 Pro (OS) with WMC
MediaBrowser3 classic (client - frontend)

Current Desktop:
Win8.1 Pro (OS)
MakeMKV (ripping)

Would it be better to have Win7 on the server as well if I were to use WMC, since it is included with Pro?

I really like using WHS2011. Works like a champ, no extra bells and whistles to turn off (which means no extra bloat-code that you won't use anyway which makes for greater stability and performance - at least in theory), and the backup functions are nice.

I like FlexRAID, but it does have its quirks. Nothing major at all, and since I didn't have to buy a dedicated card for a hundred bucks or so, I will take the flexibility it offers and the minor quirks too. Things like when mapping a drive to a shared location on the server, if the files and folders in that drive change at the server or from another computer's connection to it, it doesn't refresh for a WHILE on all machines. Hitting F5, or clicking the refresh icon, or even closing out Windows Explorer and reopening won't help. Probably a setting, but again, minor, and it does catch up on its own. Shares to non FlexRAID drives are updated almost instantly. For a media server <--> HTPC setup, especially a server/client setup like MediaBrowser, this doesn't matter as the MB server handles the files, data, and streaming of data for you.

Speaking of MediaBrowser - I love it. I tried Plex, toyed with XBMC, and looked at J River, but many of them have the ability to "look" the same, and MediaBrowser seemed like a great long term candidate since it was getting a whole new version which means lots of excitement from the development community and lots of plugins and enhancements early on, vs. other products that seem to be on the verge of becoming "stale."

I am using Media Center Master, and paid for a lifetime license, so I will keep using it until it no longer does what I need it too. Maybe try out the built in scraping tools for MediaBrowser before trying MCM.

I think that you are on the right track.
post #2228 of 3346
AVS keeps holding my replies hostage and never posting them

I had a well laid out schpeel on WHS vs W7/8

W7/8 is much better if you plan on having a WMC "server" utilizing serverWMC and WMC.PVR to share one single guide, recording schedule, recordings list, and set of tuners for a household of XBMC clients

WHS gets in the way from time to time in typical microsoft fashion, and W7/W8 is typically easier to install programs and run just about anything

W7/W8 can be run headless, and you can easily remote manage all your machines with teamviewer instead of the WHS RDP "gateway"

You'll lose out on autobackups (I don't use or even attempt to use) and native NFS sharing (a lot of people don't use this even though it's there in WHS)

I just don't see why a lot of users feel like a "server" needs to run a server OS. If that were the case, why wouldn't all HTPCs run an HTPC OS? OpenELEC for all biggrin.gif I'm saying this tongue in cheek, but I regularly use W8 as my server and have 0 problems with it. I'll be "dedicating" my server this month (i.e. removing the multi-use HTPC/server part of it and taking it to a different room away from the TV) and will still install W8 on it.
post #2229 of 3346
I'd also recommend trying the built in scrapers for mediabrowser or XBMC even though I also use MCM with a lifetime license
post #2230 of 3346
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@ Nick,

I don't seem to have the issue you are describing with my FLEXRAID and not showing up without refresh. That might be unique to your set up (or problems)

I don't use the WHS connector at all. I don't set up exactly how the Assasin Guides show for Flexraid and WHS. I do a few things different. You really do not need to set your boot up delay for 15 seconds with an SSD drive (that all bugs me when I reset my server for an update and it takes too long for my flexraid to show up on my desktop)

I don't use WHS connector at all (man that thing is annoying!)

I don't even map shares in FLEXRAID (although actually I just did last night)

I just share my whole V drive (Flexraid) with full read and write permissions. Then I "map network drive" and add it as a virtual drive to all my machines. My 35TB Flexraid array shows up on all my machines just as if it was locally installed hard drive. Clicking on it populates instantly, for easy browsing. No delay, no refresh. Thumbnails and everything work perfectly.

I never understood why people bother to set up "shares" and share individual folders. They do show up when you click on the server, and the shares show up as folders in explorer - but I never use that. Ever. I just click on the drive then navigate to what I want. Most of the times, all I am doing is pasting into one of my collection new organized media. But if I need to find something copy paste or whatever- I just click on the top level folders from the actual mapped drive itself. Perhaps it's me, but I never understood why this isn't the fastest easiest way to find something. Click on the shortcut on the left of your window pane and boom. You are there.
post #2231 of 3346
Okay so how about this?

Proposed Server:
Windows 7 Pro (OS) with WMC
FLEXRAID (pooling + redundancy)
MediaBrowser3 (server - backend)

Proposed HTPC:
Win8.1 Pro (OS)
MediaBrowser3 classic (client - frontend)

Current Desktop:
Win8.1 Pro (OS)
MakeMKV (ripping)

In this scenario I chose Win7 Pro for the server because it includes WMC, but could upgrade the Win 8.1 too. I've yet to start seriously archiving my media collection and am starting fresh, so to speak. I also want to use the DVR capability of WMC with my HDHR Prime, but that's probably best discussed in a separate thread. Not too mention the inclusion of a Xbox One into the mix. Ugh, first world problems. rolleyes.gif
post #2232 of 3346
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Honestly you can use any of them. Windows 7 /8 or WHS for your server it does not matter much. Darkslayer had good points about WMC and if you need it to set up extenders and stuff for TV then WHS does not have WMC at all.

If you don't need WMC - I still think WHS is the best. It's more stable than Windows in General, and it's more server appropriate. Automated backups are nice too. (but again with windows 8 this all starts getting messed up)

I use WHS2011 and W7 because back when I started this was fresh and modern. No such thing as Windows 8 yet.

If you are starting fresh- it's not a bad thing to be on the newer software.
post #2233 of 3346
Just 2 quick notes

1) don't need pro for wmc in w7 that only applies to 8
2) you don't really need the server to be separate from the desktop, but there isn't anything wrong with that either
post #2234 of 3346
I run windows 8.1 on all my systems. For one, it's faster. I'm sure I can drum up some old encoding fps numbers between the various windows os I've tested. It's not much faster but it saves me time on encoding so that's good enough for me.

I use it on my htpc because it doesn't molest audio like previous versions of windows. Sure you could use asio drivers on previous versions to get around this but a lot of users don't want to deal with that.

Drivers are usually updated on newer os vs old or deprecated. I'm not saying old drivers don't work, I'm saying newer drivers work better.

Well, that's my .02 cents anyway.
post #2235 of 3346
Interesting that you say this about 8.1 drivers, because that was one of my bigger concerns regarding the use a newer OS. So, in everyone's opinion, what are the essential programs needed when first starting out including archiving media, streaming, front / back end, DVR, etc.?
post #2236 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Spec4 View Post

Interesting that you say this about 8.1 drivers, because that was one of my bigger concerns regarding the use a newer OS. So, in everyone's opinion, what are the essential programs needed when first starting out including archiving media, streaming, front / back end, DVR, etc.?

WMC - DVR
MPC-HC - External Player
LAV
MediaBrowser3 (+ classic) - Cataloging/Streaming/Transcoding
Crashplan (local backup and cloud)
PowerDVD or TMT if you want to use ISO's (with VirtualCloneDrive/Daemon Tools Lite)
I use FlexRAID snapshot and pooling
post #2237 of 3346
There is one reason I can think of to use WHS over W7, that reason is concurrent connections. W7 is not intended as a server OS as has limits on a concurrent number of open shares. On a network with a low number of clients that will probably never surface as an issue. Additionally with registry tweaks you can bypass that restriction. On WHS it would never come up.
post #2238 of 3346
Good point Mark, Win7 inbound SMB connection limit is 20 FWIW. Certainly something worth bringing up for those of us that are feeding multiple rooms and wireless devices

Bill
post #2239 of 3346
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

WMC - DVR
MPC-HC - External Player
LAV
MediaBrowser3 (+ classic) - Cataloging/Streaming/Transcoding
Crashplan (local backup and cloud)
PowerDVD or TMT if you want to use ISO's (with VirtualCloneDrive/Daemon Tools Lite)
I use FlexRAID snapshot and pooling

Good suggestions and is this a clean solution for the front end? For example, does it pass the WAF test or someone sitting on the couch wanting to watch a movie and/or recorded TV series that is not tech savvy?
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Originally Posted by Mark Guebert View Post

There is one reason I can think of to use WHS over W7, that reason is concurrent connections....On a network with a low number of clients that will probably never surface as an issue.

So this won't be a concern for a typical household of say 3-5 people?
post #2240 of 3346
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Good suggestions and is this a clean solution for the front end? For example, does it pass the WAF test or someone sitting on the couch wanting to watch a movie and/or recorded TV series that is not tech savvy?
So this won't be a concern for a typical household of say 3-5 people?

My wife loves the WMC DVR. To her, it's just a DVR, she never sees the windows desktop (unless I'm working on it). like every computer there are times when something goes wrong (bad disk was last thing), but at least I can fix it instead of having to take half a day off waiting for cable guy and paying $100+/month

Only thing that's annoying is that if I RDC to it, it quits WMC. I end up doing shutdown -r when I'm done and then it reboots, auto logs in and starts WMC. Only thing I haven't managed to find yet is hack for multiple RDC connection like I have on Win7. Seen them out there, but not in places I'd trust downloading a DLL from.

My new box is rack mounted in basement with 30ft HDMi. I have 20TB and it's my Server, DVR and Streamer. There's only two of us and my wife doesn't stream movies, just recorded TV. I get 100MB/sec network transfer on large files and it's an i7, so would easily support 5 or more users
post #2241 of 3346
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

My new box is rack mounted in basement with 30ft HDMi. I have 20TB and it's my Server, DVR and Streamer. There's only two of us and my wife doesn't stream movies, just recorded TV. I get 100MB/sec network transfer on large files and it's an i7, so would easily support 5 or more users

It seems you have a similar scenario to what I want to set up and I'll start a separate thread now instead of hi-jacking Mfusick's.
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It seems you have a similar scenario to what I want to set up and I'll start a separate thread now instead of hi-jacking Mfusick's.

Feel free to PM me

I bought

iStarUSA 3U case with 10x3.5" and 4x2.5" drives (from Limetech: cost a bit more, but I was happy to pay it
ASUS Gryphon z87 MBO
i7 4771
16GB Mushkin redlin (9-9-9-27 - I think)
Samsung 840 EVO-Series 120GB (OS and apps)
PC Power & Cooling 1200W Silencer MK III Series PSU
Have mixture of 4TB Seagate NAS and 4GB and 3GB WD Red - 4TB parity and rest in pool, except 1x2TB for recordings and downloads
Win 8.1 with media player
Flexraid pooling and snapshot
IBM M1015 SAS card and SAS to SATA cables (8 SATA Ports)
MediaBrowser3 with MBClassic
MPC-HC
Currently trying to move from ISO to MKV, so no ISO player yet. On old WMC, have TMT3

Hardware was way overkill, but want it to last a god 5 years and be able to transcode if required. My existing WMC is a good 4 years old and going strong (Mac mini running win 7 - Core 2 Duo Processor 2.26GHz). Happily records 4 HD channels at a time and plays back a recording

Have 2 x HomeRunHD (4 tuners)
post #2243 of 3346
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Interesting that you say this about 8.1 drivers, because that was one of my bigger concerns regarding the use a newer OS. So, in everyone's opinion, what are the essential programs needed when first starting out including archiving media, streaming, front / back end, DVR, etc.?
For me?

Htpc: mediaportal, streamedmp skin. LAV filter
File server: 24 port 3ware 9650 in raid 6

Both run windows 8.1
post #2244 of 3346
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Good suggestions and is this a clean solution for the front end? For example, does it pass the WAF test or someone sitting on the couch wanting to watch a movie and/or recorded TV series that is not tech savvy?
So this won't be a concern for a typical household of say 3-5 people?
My way has to be very WAF and kid friendly or else it wouldn't be used. That doesn't mean that I don't have to make it that way behind the scene though 😊
post #2245 of 3346
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

My wife loves the WMC DVR. To her, it's just a DVR, she never sees the windows desktop (unless I'm working on it). like every computer there are times when something goes wrong (bad disk was last thing), but at least I can fix it instead of having to take half a day off waiting for cable guy and paying $100+/month

Only thing that's annoying is that if I RDC to it, it quits WMC. I end up doing shutdown -r when I'm done and then it reboots, auto logs in and starts WMC. Only thing I haven't managed to find yet is hack for multiple RDC connection like I have on Win7. Seen them out there, but not in places I'd trust downloading a DLL from.

My new box is rack mounted in basement with 30ft HDMi. I have 20TB and it's my Server, DVR and Streamer. There's only two of us and my wife doesn't stream movies, just recorded TV. I get 100MB/sec network transfer on large files and it's an i7, so would easily support 5 or more users
I was going to put my front end on the file server into the garage also but running a USB cable 30 feet doesn't work very well. How do you get around that?

*EDIT I forgot to mention I need the USB cable for the MCE remote reciever. No way wife will pick up a keyboard to work the tv haha
post #2246 of 3346
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I was going to put my front end on the file server into the garage also but running a USB cable 30 feet doesn't work very well. How do you get around that?

*EDIT I forgot to mention I need the USB cable for the MCE remote reciever. No way wife will pick up a keyboard to work the tv haha

Get a powered USB extender. i use a 32 foot one to attic. Other option is to use an IR repeater instead of moving receiver. I used to use this before moving to RF remote. Product and support are outstanding: http://www.amazon.com/Microsmith-Link-Remote-Extender-Emitters/dp/B000IBTK7U
post #2247 of 3346
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Only thing that's annoying is that if I RDC to it, it quits WMC. I end up doing shutdown -r when I'm done and then it reboots, auto logs in and starts WMC. Only thing I haven't managed to find yet is hack for multiple RDC connection like I have on Win7. Seen them out there, but not in places I'd trust downloading a DLL from

I wasn't paying close attention here, but you just need to setup teamviewer, logemin, splashtop, etc instead of using RDP. I prefer teamviewer since it comes in Win/Nix variants, and they offer a portable zip as well. The three I mentioned are the most popular VNC clients I know of, and all VNC clients will use the logged in session w/o logging out when you leave
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

I wasn't paying close attention here, but you just need to setup teamviewer, logemin, splashtop, etc instead of using RDP. I prefer teamviewer since it comes in Win/Nix variants, and they offer a portable zip as well. The three I mentioned are the most popular VNC clients I know of, and all VNC clients will use the logged in session w/o logging out when you leave

Thanks for reply. Have you tried with WMC? I ask, because I tried VNC is unusable (even on LAN). Screen is nearly always blank and I have to constantly refresh. I haven't installed the mirror driver, as I don't want to risk changing anything to do with graphics and no idea if it even works on 8.1 yet
post #2249 of 3346
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Originally Posted by mark_anderson_u View Post

Get a powered USB extender. i use a 32 foot one to attic. Other option is to use an IR repeater instead of moving receiver. I used to use this before moving to RF remote. Product and support are outstanding: http://www.amazon.com/Microsmith-Link-Remote-Extender-Emitters/dp/B000IBTK7U

I just bought two of these (one from Amazon and one from Parts Express) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009ELX2W4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Much cheaper. It worked great. I can use remote in the living room to control HTPC in the theater. I cut the cord that came with it and splice in some CAT6 to extend it. I ran it under the floor in the basement.

I think I paid like $30
post #2250 of 3346
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I just bought two of these (one from Amazon and one from Parts Express) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009ELX2W4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Much cheaper. It worked great. I can use remote in the living room to control HTPC in the theater. I cut the cord that came with it and splice in some CAT6 to extend it. I ran it under the floor in the basement.

I think I paid like $30

Main thing to be aware of is if you use plasma. Plays havoc with many IR repeaters. I used the microsmith one with 2 plasma's. No problem. buddy bought a cheapo one. nothing but problems
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